Hadn’t thought about most of this but I’ve always thought the final fight was underestimated. To be able to control the amount of strength he gains for that few minutes, that he’s never had before and never will again, instantly and flawlessly is bananas. It’s like getting super strength for the first time and proceeding to juggle eggs. Great video man!
the real most powerful firebender was jeong jeong number 2 is sozin cause sozin was a beast at age 82, he was out their killing multiple ZAHEER CLONES in the air temples and he had enough speed to attack all four corners of the world at once sozin was a alpha he also had access to HEAT bending meaning that he was a real prodigy not azula or ozai or the fat boy iroh
For what it's worth, after a lot of analysis I firmly believe the best display of an Ozai equivalent moment is when the LOK Iroh takes down an entire fleet of planes singlehandedly. This is for anyone that is curious to see what Ozai might've done in that situation.
The fact that Azula - the most calculated character in the show - is scared of Ozai is enough. She's the type to sit there, ponder the ways she'd murder you for fun and be right about it.
Azula, who is a firebending prodigy, admits that she can't beat Ozai in a duel. Iroh, who is also a firebending master, says he isn't sure if he can beat Ozai. Ozai was comfirmed to be one of the strongest firebenders who ever lived. Even during the solar eclipse, he was able to create a massive lightning quickly.
She's also a mentally unstable young teen/child during ATLA..Ofc she wasn't gonna beat Ozai in a duel lol. Mental state has massive impacts on power output or ability to control your element at the level of skill you would be able to should you be in a sound mindstate under the same circumstances. Most notable in her case when she finally had a mental breakdown and was yes putting out tons of power but it was also during Sozin's comet and very unstable/all over the place. Enough so that Zuko was comparable to her in that state because he had a sound and resolved state of mind. I'm pretty sure Iroh would likely beat Ozai during Sozin's comet in a controlled 1v1 with no outside intervention with high difficulty if not ending up dying to swing the fight resulting in both losing..but since Iroh would be doing it in self sacrifice it's really a win for good and loss for Ozai. If they fought a controlled environment 1v1 without Sozin's comet I think Iroh would win with mid difficulty..maayybe high diff depending on if he slips up at all or if we're talking about prison ripped Iroh or fat Iroh. Prison ripped Iroh is build diff and would wipe Iroh frfr
@@k.o6157 Yes but that doesn't mean he's the top tier of the Royal Family. Ozai, Iroh and Azula wipe the floor with almost all other Fire Nation people so, it's easy to say that for Iroh. But against each other? Much more technical situation.
To me, that sliver of sun from the eclipse; the fact that he could even just FEEL that he was able to perform that lightning, and the intensity and speed at which he did it, that’s gotta be the most impressive feat
@@bomonyongokon9335 Not true. At least on screen (having just watched the episode again), Ozai attacks Zuko with lightning and he redirects, causing a lot of noise and whatnot. And then Azula, reacting to that noise even says "Oh, sounds like the fire bending is back on" acknowledging that she knows the eclipse is over and she can fire bend now because of what she heard.
And goobers will sit here and say Amon beats him despite Amon not controlling mako well enough to the point that mako was able to zap him. Except it’s different with Ozai cause Amon ain’t getting up from that shiiiii
When it comes to Ozai's character, I've always kinda liked it. I can understand why people don't like him, but I think he serves his purpose. He's not supposed to be deep or have a backstory. He's not supposed to be complex. He's simple, kind of like actual dictators from our history. He lives solely for the purpose of wanting power. Everything he does is to gain more power, and to make sure his authority is unmatched. The amount of presence he has in the show is insane as well. I thought it was cool that they were building him up so much. He wasn't a character, but rather, an unstoppable force that could only be taken down by the Avatar. He is powerful, and intimidating. But of course, he was destined to be taken down by the Avatar, which is what happens. Again, I understand why people dislike him. He's a one dimensional dictator, but I liked that. I don't try to see him as a character to dissect the psychology of. I just see him as what he is. A pure evil incarnate. And also, a terrible father.
people act like every character in a show has to be complex and very deep, while ignoring the fact that very simple people like Ozai exist in real life. There are people out there who only care for power. Ozai was the second son in a lineage of rulers who for generations have only cared for how strong they can get and how big they can expand their empire. He schemed and cheated his way into power and is very one dimensional. Its not a bad thing. That IS the character. It's not lack of writing, Ozai was intentionally written to be boring.
This simple characterization would have been made better if Ozai was the dark avatar. But instead of Ozai fusing with Vaatu, Ozai IS Vaatu. And he's the most powerful firebender, earthbender, waterbender, airbender, and energybender in existence.
Y’all remember how fast he shot lightning at zuko? He did that within the first second of getting his firebending back and shot it the fastest we’ve seen at that point!
here’s the thing The only time (i remember) we see iroh lightning generate, he takes several seconds, granted he’s explaining how it works Azula does hers in about 2 seconds Ozai did it with both hands, with a sliver of the sun out, in less than a second A feat unseen to this day three times over
Iroh also shot lightning to bust down a wall when he and Zuko were running away from Dai Li agents. Given that they were being chased Iroh neither had much time nor the option to be stationary.
@@tonymarail6830 its because the only time we see him, he gets clapped, and thats unfair. He got clapped by aang that FULLY unleashed his avatar state for the very first time. People are unable to piece together just how powerful he really is, because he fought the avatar. Not a single fire bender was flying around with flames on their feet except Jon Jon, an EXCEPTIONAL fire bender, and member of the white lotus. not only that, he made light work of base aang, where as azula always had "trouble". Its alright that people dont like ozai and think hes weak, those people just arent able to follow the lore built up around him.
It’s because the one time we have seen him truly fight,was against the avatar,the only other feat that makes him far superior to azula is how he made lightning in an instant after the eclipse
@@xiphosmaniac I think it’s a wasted opportunity we never got to see Ozai beat any other characters before the finale. I think that would remedy this whole ordeal quite a bIt.
@@xiphosmaniac its honestly a testament to the show at large that he gets completely overlooked because really it's not that important. he's just a glorified plot device and that's not a knock on the show either, Ozai as a character didn't need to be anything more than that and i think over complicating his character would have been unnecessary.
Sidenote: you literally forgot the fact that he nearly overwhelmed Avatar Aang in spirit bending despite never even facing that as a form of attack. Let that sink in. Dude had a spirit tug of war with the freaking Avatar and almost won
@@bomonyongokon9335 the OP is saying ozai is talented. never seeing/confronting a spirit attack and nearly overcoming the AVATAR the first time he ever encounters one is a testament to his innate abilities and instincts.
Iroh saying that doesn't mean it's true. Even if azula was firelord Iroh will not agree to fight her, his ideology was "a brother killing a brother for power". If Iroh was evil Ozai will be no match. And for the people that say azula fears Ozai I have a question??? Doesn't Ozai fear his father???
@@bomonyongokon9335 You're just trying to manipulate what Iroh thinks then. It's clear as day that Iroh says he's unsure if he would best the Fire Lord, and even on the off chance that he does beat Ozai, history would see it as another brother fighting a brother for power. That ideology is only part of the reason why he states Aang has to fight Ozai, along with the fact that he's unsure if he would be able to beat Ozai. I do agree that the point about Azula fearing her father is inconsequential, as that can just be applied to child abuse in general and not to Ozai's strength. But it's pretty clear just how strong Ozai is compared to the other fire benders in this universe.
@@bomonyongokon9335 aang was in his earthbending pose iirc, and the whole point of that pose is to keep you sturdy and immovable as a boulder. not saying you are wrong at all about his physique, but i do think you are ignoring a couple of important variables from aang redirecting his lightning...
@@tacticallemon7518 Then iroh is the most powerful bender because his deteriorating age has nothing to do with bending. My brother bending has everything to do with physical strength it will not take just mental strength to withstand the surging power of a powerful lightening.
@@bomonyongokon9335 The fact that you used iroh, a character that said “strength in fire bending comes from the breath, not your muscles” as a way to ‘prove’ your muscles have jack shit to do with firebending is ironic
I didn’t know Ozai was so downplayed in the community. I agree with everything in the video. Though given that Iroh as an old man could at least hang with Ozai makes me think Iroh in his prime was the strongest firebender.
Agreed I never got the impression that he was weak, even if the series did make jokes about him a couple of times. He was officially stated to be the strongest firebender during the series & while Azula was a prodigy she still had a long way to reach the power that Ozai had. I haven't involved myself with the fanbase once since Korra ended, which is why I had no clue the community downplayed his strength.
Unlike Iroh, who let himself go after the death of his son, Ozai _never_ stopped training or pushing his limits. Also the fact that he didn't join the military left him with more time to focus on perfecting his skills. The man was dedicated to being the best firebender in the world.
Honestly, peak to peak I srill think Ozai was stronger. Iroh likely knew a bit more thanks to his knowledge and wisdom gained from other sources but Ozai was like the Palpatine of Firebending. He was so perfectly attuned and so deeply immersed in the fire inside him that he likely still would have edged out his brother at both of their respective heights of power.
@@Rjlamar-yr3pt Not really, A portrait of the two of them together shows Ozai in his late teens with Iroh in his mid-20s. You can find it in the book Legacy of the Fire Nation.
Despite little was shown about Ozai, it was clear that he was on another level as a bender. Not only is he the strongest fire bender, he was possibly the strongest bender. It took a fully awaken avatar state in order to beat him. Ozai is a once in a millennium type power
You forgot the person fighting him was a 12 year old kid who leant 3 different bendings I less than a year. To make matters worse the said boy was never taught to attack people. Quite frankly that is child abuse.
@@bomonyongokon9335 It's obviously child abuse, but considering episode 3 of the show deals with genocide I don't know why that would be shocking. Royal Ace's point is that Aang had to use the avatar state to be of any contest for a long time.
The most powerful firebender is obviously the soldier who makes the tiny flame and puff of smoke during the eclipse. That's a feat that is not seen from ozai or azula (possibly iroh off screen) people gotta put respect on his name (whatever it is) think about it, he made flame multiple seconds to a minute after firebenders were completely cut off.
Fact is if comon people and soldiers had exes to knowlege and information of fire bending that at a time of 100 year war only Loyal family had fire army would be far more powerfful and some would be on Ozai level
It´s not really a great feat actually, it´s very likely the Eclipse nerf debuffs firebending so much, pulling off smokebending during it is a actual possible feat, but the output is so negligible Azula and Ozai deemed it pointless to even try, on other benders, which makes sense, tiny flames and smoke arent going to do anything against Airbenders, Water benders and Earthbenders at base basic common sense.
Ozai is, quite frankly, scary powerful. He might not be the most intricate or nuanced villain, but as far as serving his narrative role as an incredible, impossible, insurmountable wall for the Gaang to struggle against at the end (and being voiced by Mark Hamill, the most important narrative role ;P ), well, he excels at that. The skill section was highly interesting to me. Didn’t realize he had that much control and precision. That the lightning bolt he shot at Zuko, under only a sliver of sun, contained more power than Zuko’s chi in his whole body was shocking (no pun intended) and cool. Makes me wonder how, in relative comparison to Ozai, his kids ended up so much weaker and less refined than him… And Azula and Zuko are no slouches. Do you think if Azula, Zuko, and Iroh all fought Ozai together they’d be able to take it or no? And, follow up, do you think Azula could or would grow up to match him in her prime?
I honestly believe she has the most potential of any bender in the show for their respective element considering she was solidly above essentially the entire gaang for most of the show even when ganged up on at the age of 14
@@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443 I was going to say, I don’t think Azula is just “so much weaker”, she’s literally only 14! Not even in prime age yet, while he’s twice her age but still in his prime 😂
Tbf Zuko and Azula are way younger thab Ozai abd Iroh yet they were already masters of the element in their own right. I bet either one of them in their prime would stomp Ozai.
Considering how closely ATLA follows the original Star Wars trilogy, it's surprising more people don't recognize the comparison between the Ozai-Azula power dynamic to Palpatine-Vader. Like in Star Wars, the big bad doesn't really appear or do anything until the final act, and all feats performed by his dragon - Vader or Azula - not only apply to but are surpassed by the big bad. Where I think a lot of the misconceptions about Ozai stem from is how he ascended the throne. He displayed an uncharacteristic submissiveness to his father Azulan in agreeing to kill his firstborn son, and then gained the throne through a plot by his wife involving poison and deception, with no firebending involved. A lot of people probably believe that this shows he was not strong enough to take the throne by force. But even if he killed his father in an Agni Kai, that would only serve to make Iroh the Fire Lord right away since it would be a public event and there would be no way to pretend that Azulan wanted Ozai on the throne. It was in Ozai's interest to get back on his father's good side in the hope of convincing him to make him the next Fire Lord later on rather than fight him then and there, even if it meant sacrificing Zuko. The poison method allowed Ozai to fake Azulan's will by being done in secret.
I never knew the fandom thought Ozai was unskilled or a bad bender. I could understand the Iroh vs. Ozai debate having more people favor Iroh, since we see him more, he learned true fire bending, etc. Even then I thought the general consensus was Ozai is either #1 or #2 best fire bender in the series for most fans. I've never entertained that Azula was more skilled or powerful than her father. Ozai generating lightning so fast always stood out to me, since we never saw Iroh or Azula do that. I never questioned Ozai being the most powerful fire bender in the world.
I feel like Ozai is so heavily slept on is because he’s sorta one dimensional, but that’s ok, he’s a means to an end he doesn’t have to be deep. The fire lord is and always has been the strongest fire bender in the world.
To me, villains DON’T have to be anything other than a menace, other than an antagonist, other than just a very bad guy. I’m not against villains with personality or villains with backstories that make your heartache but unlike heroes or protagonists… a villain CAN be one dimensional, as long as they give a great show like Ozai, S-tier villain. I miss the simple hero and villain days when you got a kind hearted good guy, little or lots of problems, wanting to give his time to helping those because he thinks it’s right against a bad guy who has little or lots of problems but is the entire opposite in ideology. Good vs evil, simple as that, instead of “Anti-hero” or “Anti-villain” with all this deep and confusing lore.
I feel like just a little bit of understanding of his family dynamic/childhood would be enough to flush him out. He doesn’t need to be as flushed as Zuko or Azula, but I’d have wished to know more about why he is the way he is.
@@venus-pq5ggEvil daddy Azulon, Ozai speaks out against Iroh Azulon gets mad tell him to kill Zuko then Ursa and Ozai conspire to kill Azulon. Azulon was the son of evil daddy Sozin and Sozin had too much time away from his buddy Roku and was consumed with his evil thoughts.
Maybe lightning redirection isn’t easier physically than generating it but Iroh teaching Zuko how to redirect it after he fails to generate it implies it’s easier to unlock because it doesn’t require the same level of focus and peace of mind that lightning generation requires
I imagine the reason Aang could do it on ozai´s comet enhanced lightning was because his water bending training helped, Zuko could only nail it because it was eclipse nerfed lightning and Ozai did too soon, had he waited a few more secs and he could´ve guaranteed the kill on Zuko.
Same, and not that I think he's not an abuser or anything but I think he has a sad back story like every villain that wasn't told and would like to see more of him
@@MarIam-fg1pm this is exactly why I don't want a backstory. It will make you love Ozai as a person and we know he's evil. Azula, yes. Ozai, no. I love Ozai as a villain
@@UnapologeticallyMuslimah its just kinda unfair, weknow nothing about him.. even though azula has been so cruel the whole show and just for 2 small scenes people felt sorry for her. Ozai is a very important character that deserved to see the show from him not from his family the show made him so shallow and fans see him as mab who's just evil like he was born this way
10:00 If we can't assume a limit on Ozai's power based on what we don't see him do, than we certainly can't assume a limit on the dragons based on this one scene, especially since the dragons aren't even performing an attack, they're just making ceremonial visuals.
This is sound logic however, you're misrepresenting the training used. The Ozai>Dragons comment was specifically relating to Ozai being explicitly stated to be The most powerful Fire Bender in the world DESPITE the fact that the Dragons were still alive. The comparison between the Dragon's Flame vs Ozai's Torrent was foe the purposes of scaling that particular feat rather than as some kind of proof that he was superior to the Dragons.
Not to mention that he even almost overtake Aang with his Chi when Aang tried to take his Bending away. Aang literally have to use "Protagonist's Power" to counter that.
Nah Aang nailed it because Ozai´s got brainwashed by Sozin´s propaganda had aang tried it on sozin and he would´ve died case Sozin didnt need propaganda to be evil he was HIM!
@@AntoineBandele Aang being quite good at water bending probably gave him some proclivity for the technique considering it was created by studying water bending philosophy
@@AntoineBandele I think I does matter for ones power level...because Ozau has such a great chi than any other firebender and produces a ton of lightning and the fact the gang redirected it...just awesome
I disagree that Ozai is more powerful than Iroh. we must understand that if Iroh didn't loose his son which changed his life Ozai will be no match for him. And why was Ozai at home when Iroh was busy conquering in impenetrable earth city??
I have seen that Ozai and Aang fight sooo many times and I ALWAYS thought Ozai dodged the air that erodes the rock column. How could I have missed that and how the hell did he get up after that? It literally broke apart a giant rock.
i vaguely know what scene youre talking about...and my headcanon was that he essentially mitigated it with some quick fire shield or something, kind of like how aang put his air bubble up to mitigate the knockback when ozai broke his rock tomb
Another great video. I'm in Ozai beats Iroh camp, but Iroh never says he'd lose. He's just not sure he can win. There's a big difference. That aside, Ozai I don't understand how anyone underestimates Ozai.
It really is a mobility issue for iroh, all Ozai needs to do is target is legs also Iroh wouldnt be able to face ozai in that cliff terrain because the sheer distance he´d get knocked back from receiving ozai´s lightning would disturb his footing by having him fall off the cliff and we know that when redirecting lightning, you can only focus on that and nothing else while you have a foothold or you´ll end up like Zuko being hit by Azula´s lightning due to jumping to save Katara.
yes i 100% agree with this this fandom highly undervalue ozai's power and skill. I'm glad this video clears it up, the only other character i think gets more or equal amount of being underappreciative is Korra herself which is till this day is crazy lol.
Probably the worst avatar 😂. I mean she’s good in the sense that she was opposite to aang. Aang started his journey knowing nothing yet became a complete prodigy by learning the elements in less than a year. While korra started with almost all of them yet could only use water and fire effectively.
theres this dude im in a tik tok argument trying to say ozai is pathetic n couldnt even sneak zuko.... cause he totally expects zuko to have an ability only iroh has... that i doubt iroh goes around showng off to the only people who use lightning
What non avatar has been shown to be better at Fire Bending than Ozai? The Avatar State is a cheat as your past lives are bending for you. Every avatar could summon Wan's techniques, although it would be Wan's bending rather than theirs. I can understand if someone mistakenly thought Azula was better for having blue flames & being a prodigy who likely never reached her peak. Combustion Man was weak & just unorthodox, nowhere near a contender for best firebender.
@@WaterKirby1994 I´d really argue that even with the avatar state had ozai been smarter he could´ve killed aang, first, when Aang got on that boulder, Ozai could´ve cooked him alive from above or straight up used lightning from above, due to his charging time Aang wouldnt have been able to do anything because he had to keep the boulder strong he would´ve likely been hit by it with no chance of redirection due to the angle. Other win conditions for Ozai would be to use lightning against Avatar state aang, because no matter how powerful he´s in the avatar state the comet enhanced lightning will go through that sphere like it´s nothing and once it hits him, because he´s in flight and using multiple bending types, he will not be able to properly redirect the lightning back at ozai without a foothold as it´s literally impossible for any bender to redirect lightning on air, not even in legend of Korra do we see the feat, a foothold is always necessary because the lightning has a knock back eff on anyone who receives it and to attempt a redirection while keeping flight with other bending active will disturb and prevent the redirection process in it´s entirety as no bender can do anyother bending while redirecting, this is due to the fact they are already overcharged with Chi. Remember Ozai was such a threat every Avatar except Aang immediately went for lethal force in the avatar state, they knew no matter how superior in bending they all were in the avatar state Ozai would always have a win condition with lightning if he hit and it couldnt be redirected even once, the avatar would guaranteedly die, thats a pretty serious threat
Another great video. Yet, even still, I disagree with the assessment that Ozai is a poorly written adversary. He was designed with the specific intention to test Aang's resolve, pushing our pacifistic protagonist far beyond his comfort zone. Aang is a character who believes that, no matter the circimstance, every life is valuable. As such, portraying Ozai as a genocidal, megalomaniacal tyrant is the perfect final antagonist. Unlike Zuko he isn't misguided, nor does he have any redeeming qualities. Unlike Azula he isn't merely a tool for another but is acting with full autonomy. Unalaq, though a cool villain in his own right, is not a foil to Korra in the same way that Ozai is to Aang. With all this being said I believe that Ozai is one of the greatest villains in the series. His impact on the overall verse cannot be understated, even outside of his raw powerscaling. Again, awesome video
Ozai is also the result and personification of Fire Nation imperialism. Cold, ruthless, vicious, cruel and ambitious. I think Ozai could be Iroh, Zuko, and Azula together. Zuko and Azula get negative diff if a Firebeinging struggle. Ozai also can dodge Azula lighting and and probably won't use his own in this fight. Iroh is passed his prime even despite his prison training arc. Ozai eventually and quickly overwhelmed him. 3v1 Mid diff in Ozai favor of victory.
@@Nubin2000 Ozai spared the life of ursa, and the life of that yuyan archer who was hired to kill ikem... Ozai was a pure hearted kind human being, not a evil man.
Ozai was the one CREATING the fire curtain in the throne room and the rest of the fire in the throne room is all his bending. He is the firebending GOAT.
About the sensing feat: Ozai has the greater feat. There are people in the world that can sense storms coming due to pressure changes. My mom had a neck injury and since then experiences severe pain when thunderstorms are coming. It’s never been wrong. Ever. It’s possible that Iroh can sense those pressure changes as well. But that’s not a bending feat. As you pointed out, firebending isn’t outright gone, just weakened. It’s entirely possible that Ozai could still firebend during the eclipse, just not enough to kill with it. If a rank and file soldier is able to make a small puff, imagine what Ozai can do.
I´d argue that his ability to sense the comet and nail his breathing timing with the solstice was crazy as well, everyother firebender was breathing in way after the comet already showed up but ozai did it right when it came it really showed his efficiency as a firebender no mistakes in his bending.
I love when you analyze the capabilities of a character in his universe in such detail, I particularly appreciated the part of the control of the firebending from the feet to fly, surely those who took care of the scene wanted to convey just what you said. Ozai is unquestionably really powerful, if only for the fact that it resists for a not so short time to an Aang in the state of the avatar and also enhanced by Sozin's comet. Even thinking that Ozai's firebending is similar to that of Aang in those conditions is more than remarkable. Also with regard to physical qualities the only character with a similar physical resistance I think is Korra in the clash with Zaheer, each of the many falls she makes in the rocky plain would have killed an ordinary human being, but it is still the avatar in the avatar state,so even more points for Ozai
Haven't fully watched yet, but the premise is a thought I've had for a while. Ozai is incredibly skilled with a high fight IQ, the problem is it's only truly demonstrated during his fight with Aang and it's also really subtle. Theres multiple points in the fight where he reads Aang like a book and has a counter prepared for whatever Aang does. Also, he lasted the longest against the Avatar state put of anyone in the series, including Sozin lol
Sozin was really subpar in bending compared to later firelords, still a master, but probably capped around Jeong´s level if anything, maybe a bit higher as Roku recognized he was a prodigy at firebending (tho he has none of Azula or Ozai´s feats so they were clearly superior prodigies).
it's the same way ron says 'wingardium leviosa' wrong before hermione corrects him: the vowel sounds and accents are correct but the length of the syllables are 'wrong'. it's ohhhhh-zai, not oh-zaaai. tbh it's really no that big of the deal, it's a damn fictional character for crying out loud and it's nowhere near the massacre of pronunciations from that movie that shall not be named lmao.
@@nightingale4786 actually funny story in the movie Ron says it correctly when he was meant to say it wrong (rupert grint that is). The actor in the following scene then says both because hes referencing that Hermione corrected him, so we know for a fact this is a film error
The comparison between Ozai and the two dragons was a bit dicey because in that part of the video you were comparing their raw power against one another. One could only assume how strong those dragons would be under the comet's influence. Other than that though, the video is solid my guy ✊
It's probably a combination of both, like Antoine said, that amount of fire bending requires a lot of mental strength as well, to be able to concentrate fire together that much.
Never understood people saying Ozai is poorly written or over the top evil or something. He, as does the rest of his nation, shares the same views of cultural and racial superiority that many real life tyrannical regimes do, like a certain one from Germany, as well as Imperial Japan, which the fire nation is obv based on. Idk how he could be too evil or not nuanced when perhaps his viewpoint and reasoning is more real and scary than we’d like to believe
Ozai's more physically overpowered than real world tyrants, could you imagine if Putin had bending? At least Ozai's position of power has logic behind it being that he was royalty, still plotted his way to a throne, & had physical strength to back up his regime. Reality makes less sense than Fiction, it's like many of them are Long Feng only more successful. From what I understand deception & long history of poor leadership are enduring.
I feel like redirecting lightning is more difficult than generating it. Since redirecting requires you to withstand the lightning in your body, instead of charging it up and releasing it
Bingo, on top of it, you need to keep a foothold while dealing with knockback from the lightning and not try anything else while redirecting it. This rule probably even applies to the Avatar state as the chi from the lightning can disrupt the chi from the Avatar state and thus redirecting the lightning with a foothold with no other bending type active is likely a rule even the avatar has to follow unless he/she wants to risk death.
I don’t hear you pronouncing Ozai differently than how I’ve heard it. Great video! It really makes it significant that Aang took Ozai’s bending away. If Fire Nation culture values power and strength, then losing his ability to bend destroys his prestige. It also shows that, not only is Aang powerful enough to defeat Ozai, but that he is capable of taking away another bender’s power, no matter how skilled they are.
IT delegitimizes him as a firelord as well, as all firelords have to be firebenders by default, so Ozai´s status goes to basically retired as a cripple.
During the invasion we saw Ozai put a fire at least as great as seven soldiers combined. So his raw power is at least 7 times that of a regular user and combined that with extra agility and tactic. He is a force to be reckoned with. PS What about Jeong Jeongs control of flight? It was pretty impressive too heh?
@@sebas8225 Jeong Jeong was producing massive fire walls with enough density to push TANKS, while SIMULTANEOUSLY firebending from his FEET. Even without the Comet, he created a massive fire wall in "The Deserter." Not quite on par with Ozai, but certainly in a similar realm of power and control to Iroh, and in my opinion superior to Azula.
I think your Channel was the first time I heard the quote from the creators explicitly saying that “Ozai is the most powerful fire bender.” I try to tell people in the fandom that die on the Iroh hill.
Can I just add with lightning redirection, I think Ozai's arrogance when observing Aang's redirection attempt was valid. Aang noticeable struggles, I'd say even more than Zuko when redirecting the lightning, which is observable as he audibly reacts somewhat painfully as he strains to contain the energy of the lightning. I think the ability of lightning redirection is possible for most firebenders but as Iroh said, it is still very dangerous and quite difficult especially when dealing with energy output on Ozai's level of magnitude
I sometimes wish we got to see more of Ozai powers. I like the idea of not showing his skill to the end of the show but man would it be cool to have seen him obliterate a couple ppl in like a flashback or something.
Using the scene with the dragons for power scaling is a bit misplaced. They weren't really focusing their power into an attack. Wasn't their action their more got ceremony?
Due to their culture, Ozai HAS to be the strongest... They have ritual battles built into their society at the highest levels! Uncle Iroh is better balanced, but due to this his powers are spread, not focused. That being said, I think Iroh would win in a fight as the power gap isn't big enough for technique to fail.
I think Ozai strength is similar to what Iroh would have been in his prime. We can assume Iroh is at least 10-15 years older than Ozai, meaning Iroh was probably capable of the same feats at that age. Interesting to think about.
Even though dragons are thought of as the original firebenders, colloquially in the show “bender” is used to refer to humans bending the elements. When the people of Republic City felt oppressed by benders, this of course did not include the sky bison on Air Temple Island. Therefore, I don’t think it’s correct to extrapolate that the directors meant Ozai was also more powerful than each of the dragons. He could have been, but I don’t believe they meant to include dragons in that statement. I also don’t believe we have enough examples to say Ozai’s fire is generally stronger, because the dragons weren’t even trying to attack Aang and Zuko, plus it wasn’t during Sozin’s comet. Also, Ozai hasn’t been shown to be able to manipulate the different spectrums of flame color like them. To put out such a variety of energy in the same blast and also not burn Zuko and Aang was a masterful technical feat.
agreed, theres a reason the dragons were hunted to extinction. You make very valid points here that line up with how i thought, but didnt know how to express. The control of the different spectrums of flame, simultaneously, was probably my favorite "Wow" moment with the dragons.
In terms of flame colors, as the masters of fire bending and being the original benders, it makes sense that the Dragons are able to do that as they're probably the most skillful at fire bending. That doesn't take away from Ozai being the most powerful firebender though, regardless if you consider dragons benders or not (even though in the show the animals that started the various types of bending are called the "original benders"). While I do agree that I think that dragons are probably the most skillful fire benders, the fact that they can be captured and hunted (and that the idea of one person, Iroh, as being capable of hunting and killing the last dragon (yes ik he didn't)) probably shows that a fire bender can be more powerful than a dragon at fire bending. That doesn't takeaway from the skillfulness and power of dragons either, because it would require an extremely powerful fire bender to be compared to a dragon (like with Ozai).
I always knew Ozai Power was crazy, The fear respect others and the fire nation have for him is it just because hes the fire Lord it's because obviously he has immense power which enforces the fear they have for him
I kinda expect ozai to be one of the best fire benders but I feel like he could have used a tiny bit more showtime I get the psychological reasoning to hide his true potential but it would be cool to get at least some showing beyond at his best and ig worst during the eclipse
The best Ozai versus scenario that I've seen is that one poll on tumblr where everyone just agreed that during the eclipse, Hakoda could deck him with one punch.
Despite having seen Katara blood bend, Zuko still thinks Iroh is the only one who could possibly beat Ozai. The Gaang and Iroh don’t even entertain the idea of fighting Ozai without either Aang or Iroh. Not to mention that Iroh is unsure if he could even beat Ozai. Yet everyone is ok with Zuko and Katara taking Azula on their own. Basically, based on the Gaang and Iroh’s estimations: Ozai >/ Iroh > Katara plus Zuko > Azula.
Katara can only bloodbend full moon and they have a deadline. We also have to consider that Ozai would be heavily guarded and getting to face gim at that time would be a challenge (even without a time limit).
I mean ozai had to cheat his way to the throne so he obviously wasn't first choice anyway with his bending abilities and birthright. What I do think is impressive however is his lightning bending and fire breathing
@@NateDoesFilms1397 There are many factors, the current ruler's choice, other important people's choice, birth order, sex, bending, idk it's never delved deep into in the show.
I don't agree with the statement that ozai makes double lightning, he is separating the positive and negative energy simultaneously in either hand and brings them together to get the discharge. This looks exactly the same as how iroh does it in his slow demonstration for Zuko. Creating lightning with the one hand should be impossible according to the lore established by iroh. Also he is visually only shooting a single bolt
I haven't read the blog or watched the video too long after 8:38. Ima have to disagree with you there. Fire lord Azulon had just died while Iroh was out of the country; making it easy for Ozai to take the throne. Iroh didn't bother to fight with Ozai with one of the main reasons being that his will had been broken and he'd been grieving over the death of his son during the siege of Ba Sing Se. Having the title of fire lord in this context doesn't necessarily mean that Ozai is stronger.
I definitely believe the fire nation kept the advanced op techniques for the royal family, lightning is unheard of but in Korra it’s common. Ozai was on x games mode
But even in Korra we dont see blue flames or Dual lightning so yeah there´s that. I imagine lightning got widespread due to the need for electricity and metalbending demand, firebenders needed lightning as a way to compete with metalbender demand. Maybe Azula widespread lightning teachings?
Something else to consider is that ozai generates some of his fire during Sozin's Comet without any fire bending movement. That's the case for his first attack that burns down the forest: he just concentrates and the fire happens. No other bender ever did this is the show, even during the coment.
Seriously, people thing Ozai is trash? He always felt incredibly powerful to me, not only because of how much people hyped him up but also because the few times he appeared on screen he showed both precision and magnetude in his bending. If losing to THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE PLANET makes you trash than every single being ever defeated by an Avatar is "Sokka Level".
I think it's a reverb thing, the show builds up how mini is he is, so fans start pointing out that there are probably a few who could stand up against him, so other fans start down playing those characters ability, so the now offended fans start to exaggerate how weak he is, so now the other offended fans act attacked and further diminish the ability of others.
Idk, man. This is a hard sell for me. I do believe Ozai is a powerful bender. But just think of how he would have performed against Aang without the 100x boost from the comet. He would've been no more a threat than Zhao, with some extra danger in the form of lightning. He's angry, brutish, just like Zhao was. His fire bending comes from anger, which was said to be less effective than the original source, the sun. Ozai seems to be a good fighter, but he's way too egotistical to be a great fighter. He almost gets clapped TWICE by lightning redirection. Once by Zuko, and once by Aang. He was cocky and got caught off guard, and either instance could've ended his life instantly. It was only through their good nature that he lived to tell the tale. Ozai definitely seems to be more mobile than Iroh, and I think that's def why Iroh felt anxious about his chances. Ozai is also younger than Iroh. But against more dexterous characters, that advantage is mostly moot. I actually think they overestimated Ozai's strength. I think his technique is good, but the source of his firebending is angry and wild. He's an adult in a highly militaristic culture. It makes sense that he's going to be stronger than his own children. Give them a decade, and I believe they would easily surpass him.
The comment I wrote your Ozai vs Iroh from 4 years ago will be a bit amended. since they are dated now. But 1000% agree on how we each lowball Ozai because he's character is a basic villain but in terms of what he could do in match ups is scary as hell.
38:35 Kiyi isn't his step daughter. She's his ex wife's daughter. Your point still stands, it just bugged me that you called her his step daughter when she's not.
It's always been weird to me that people think Azula stands a chance. Sozin comet Azula wouldn't even do as good against Base aang whereas Aang absolute needed the avatar state to take on ozai. It seems people just mix up disliking a character with downplaying their power level when it comes to Avatar. Korra more or less gets the same treatment
I think a major factor in Ozai's favor was his precision fire jets giving him AIR SUPERIORITY. Aang is accustomed to being able to outmaneuver opponents, and Ozai's ability to fly during the Comet simply took that away from him.
I honestly think redirecting is as hard as creating, because one can be tempted to hold that power for themselves, or conduct it wrongly through their body and in both occasions end up killing themselves, just like someone that tries to produce lightning
I never thought ozai was weak. He's definitely the strongest fire bender outside of iroh. I always put them on par with each other, maybe I'll watch the old video to see if there is evidence it should swing towards Ozai. I still think peak iroh is stronger than peak Ozai. We are introduced to Iroh after his peak. Training in a jail cell for a couple months is not his peak and at that level he isn't sure he could beat Ozai implying there was a possibility he could
Yes, perfect! I didn't find this analysis until it showed up in my feed and I'm glad it did cause I've been defending his title as strongest fire bender for as long as I can remember. If Iroh stood a chance, you'd think he'd just outright say it instead of "I'm not sure if I could". Responses like that tend to lean more towards 'No'. Azula (even in Smoke and Shadow) is basically a Wal-Mart version of Ozai. No disrespect towards Azula, but it's true 🤷♂️
Absolutely agree. I've felt this way since I first watched the series all the way back when it was first released. I've always loved that youre one of the people who gives Ozai the respect he deserves and while I was a aware of a lot of this, some is new to me so I thank you for the new debating ammunition. Ozai is the most powerful Fire Bender in the verse and arguably the most skilled as well.
I don't think anyone has ever quick drawn lightning that fast in the franchise. At least with anyone else, you have a few seconds to prepare as they charge it to strike.
@@marrqi7wini54 nobody can quickdra that much lightning that fast ever in the franchise, mako could make faster lightning on amon due to desperation, but it was nowhere near a quarter of the output Ozai showed here.
I think the reason people underestimate Ozai is because they underestimate Aang. Azula basically defeated Aang, and Aang defeated Ozai, therefore Azula can defeat Ozai. Something along that line of thinking. They don't realize how much growth Aang went through (he couldn't even properly firebend at that point) and how crazy powerful he became once he could control the Avatar state. I can't wait for the movie in 2024 which shows him as an adult because then we'll get to see him at his peak.
Transitive property without context does not work. For instance, without context, this does not make sense: Dooku > Obi > Anakin > Dooku > etc. Plus your use of ABC logic is quite poor when you are using Prime Obi-Wan and Old Obi-Wan as your foundation.
@@AntoineBandele I just ask about Rock paper scissors. Sometimes people have just better matchups against different things, with different tradeoffs. With something simple lime top speed, transitive properties work but with a complicated state of affairs, its only a factor
@@AntoineBandele I'm saying the people who think like this are wrong. I just think people who have only watched the series once might have this line of subconscious thinking.
Azula wasn’t stronger than Aang, it was just a bad matchup for him due to how their personalities clashed. Aang is a pacifist, Azula is a ruthless killer. You hardly ever see Aang really go on the offensive, and that’s a bad strategy to employ against someone like Azula.
Something that was soo dumb regarding the lightning bending in korra... 1)that it has become soo common, in AtLA it was not presented as a secret technique but as a high level one. 2) as someone who has studied electrical power generation; using lightning bolts is a terrible and weak method to generate electrical power. far better would be earth/metal/water bending on a rotor-stator setup
I think their biggest mistake with Ozai was season 3 for the first 2 seasons we only heard his voice and everyone was talking about how scary he was in season 3 they should've played into that a little more the second they showed his face that's when they should've shown him kill someone infront of us or showed his skill and showed his intelligence more or even show his skill in a "training exercise" against Zuko or Azula something like that where when we go into the fight we know oh shit this guy might be the best firebender in the world and not only that he gets this insane boost from a comet oh shiiit
@@bubblegum8959 it straight up wouldn't matter if the fire lord was bed ridden and paralysed he's still strongest man king strongest army and strongest economy, I could beat hittler and any king with a gun or a rock if I someone get to face them one on one with nobody around
@@bubblegum8959 technical every abel bodied person in the fire nation could potentially kill him he's not bullet proof or poison proof. But none of them want to turn on there king
I'm not sure if it has been stated anywhere, but could Ozai have learned firebending from the dragons? I always liked his calm and calculated demeanor, but as calm as he has to be and as precise as he is, I wonder if he may have learned from them. He is manipulative so it is possible that he could have deceived the dragons. The fact that he is so intune with firebending and his chi makes me wonder this.
In general, I only have two real criticisms of the argumentation in this video. Both of them are minor but because I'm ultra pedantic I'm going to mention them anyway. The first is the idea that Ozai didn't think he was in much danger with Zuko. Now, I might be wrong but the way I remember that scene going down, Zuko had made it clear that his intention was not to actually kill Ozai, simply to be heard and to leave without being pursued. So if Ozai didn't think he was in much danger, that might've had something to do with it. The other thing is with Iroh's quote on whether or not he could beat Ozai. The full quote is as follows: "Even if I could defeat my brother, and I don't know that I could, it would be remembered by the world as a brother killing another brother for power." In other words at least part of Iroh's apprehension toward fighting Ozai was in how meaningless the battle would be. He doesn't fully dismiss the idea that he could beat Ozai but he does dismiss the idea that the fight itself would accomplish anything even if he won. Personally, I don't even think Iroh is stronger than Ozai, I think they're more or less in the same tier in terms of skill and general ability, Ozai just has youth and condition on his side since Iroh is much older and spent a lot more of his time being Zuko's parent. Dad bod is a very real thing for a very real reason, that's all I'm saying.
Amazing video. Even though I didn't know this was an ongoing argument, I enjoyed every moment of it, and all my respect to OP for the work and for letting you adapt it! I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people want Iroh to be stronger than Ozai, but this change would miss half the point of their narrative and rivalry. Like half of the reason Ozai wanted to yank the throne from Iroh was because he felt he was not only more skilled, but a more dedicated student. And quite frankly he was right! He was also willing to go waaay further for power than Iroh ever would have and THAT'S THE POINT. He sought power to the extent that it cost him his humanity and neay cost his children the same. Iroh ALMOST went down that path, but his repentance is WHY we adore him. ANYWAY with all that said, I love a good deep-dive & there are definitely points here I never even considered so. Amazing watch -- keep up the good work, both of you!
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Oooo I'll be sure to keep it in mind! Oh btw just a question about the Book 3 Novel shown in the video, do you know where can I find them? Sorry if this seems like a dumb question.
Here you go! www.amazon.com/Sozins-Comet-Final-Battle-Avatar/dp/1416958274/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3N9U30PSF9RAR&keywords=Avatar%3A+The+Last+Airbender+-+Sozin%27s+Comet%3A+The+Final+Battle&qid=1672630362&sprefix=%2Caps%2C299&sr=8-1
Have you ever done Zaheer vs Ozai? Couple be an interesting matchup since both are some of the most skilled in their respective element, and both can essentially fly
Zaheer loses if Ozai hits him once with lightning during the comet or without, outside of that, Zaheer has good winning conditions outside of comet against just avg firebender Ozai because his flight is way impaired.
I definitely agree that in terms of lightning manipulation, redirecting lightning is probably the easiest to do. Creating and attacking with lightning requires the actual creation of the lightning itself, and then directing that lightning outwards. Redirecting is just taking in already present lightning and changing its direction.
@@AntoineBandele Yeah but you need a foothold (or it´ll fail like Zuko showed when jumping to protect Katara) and to not bend anything else while redirecting it, meanwhile you can generate Lightning in flight with propelling as Ozai shown. Redirecting is easier if you meet the right conditions, but Generating is better if you use it right.
It´s because Ozai is focusing on different things than Azula, Azula focuses on Quality and focused attacks with higher temperature, Ozai prefers long AoE attacks or attacks with more explosiveness, plus he always has lightning for focused attacks, it´s highly likely Azula´s bending abilities made her naturally more capable of using lightning at a young age, but Ozai has the full toolset of a Firebender, he uses fire for something entirely different than lightning, whereas Azula keeps the same quality and focused attacks on her blue flames as she would with her lightning, because of this while Azula is deadly Aang can still to some extent handle her attacks whereas Ozai´s a completely different monster entirely.
@@AntoineBandele IKR. I like you mentioned Ozai’s creator comments, and people are still like, “No, Iroh.” Lol I’d be interested in seeing old Fire Lord Zuko vs Iroh. With and without Zuko’s dragon.
Hadn’t thought about most of this but I’ve always thought the final fight was underestimated. To be able to control the amount of strength he gains for that few minutes, that he’s never had before and never will again, instantly and flawlessly is bananas. It’s like getting super strength for the first time and proceeding to juggle eggs. Great video man!
"Proceeding to juggle eggs" is a PERFECT analogy.
Juggling eggs is about controll i love that
It's probably alot of low boiling animosity. Iroh looks AT LEAST 10 years older. But was still surpassed for the throne.
@@AntoineBandele make a video of ozai vs ghazan
the real most powerful firebender was jeong jeong number 2 is sozin cause sozin was a beast at age 82, he was out their killing multiple ZAHEER CLONES in the air temples and he had enough speed to attack all four corners of the world at once
sozin was a alpha he also had access to HEAT bending meaning that he was a real prodigy not azula or ozai or the fat boy iroh
Who else would've loved to see Ozai and Iroh interact atleast once throughout the entire series?
Holy shit dude I just realized that they never interact in the entire series I watched this show 10000 times how come I never noticed that till now? 😭
For what it's worth, after a lot of analysis I firmly believe the best display of an Ozai equivalent moment is when the LOK Iroh takes down an entire fleet of planes singlehandedly. This is for anyone that is curious to see what Ozai might've done in that situation.
I just realized that they didn't lol.
I wonder if they even had a relationship. It would’ve been cool if iroh visited him in prison or if ozai visited him while iroh was in prison
@@stoheha when did iron take down plains in Korra?
The fact that Azula - the most calculated character in the show - is scared of Ozai is enough. She's the type to sit there, ponder the ways she'd murder you for fun and be right about it.
That’s how abuse works though and she has been abused for years
@@Serryy that's different, it isn't just azula is scared of him azula knows he's her firebending superior.
@@notaperson6646 the difference is azula isn't just scared of him she sees him as a superior firebender
@@bruh6778 “YOU CANT TREAT ME LIKE ZUKO!”
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Ya said it better than I could before I could, LOL
Azula, who is a firebending prodigy, admits that she can't beat Ozai in a duel. Iroh, who is also a firebending master, says he isn't sure if he can beat Ozai. Ozai was comfirmed to be one of the strongest firebenders who ever lived. Even during the solar eclipse, he was able to create a massive lightning quickly.
Even iroh was able to free himself from jail by lightning dawg 😁
She's also a mentally unstable young teen/child during ATLA..Ofc she wasn't gonna beat Ozai in a duel lol. Mental state has massive impacts on power output or ability to control your element at the level of skill you would be able to should you be in a sound mindstate under the same circumstances. Most notable in her case when she finally had a mental breakdown and was yes putting out tons of power but it was also during Sozin's comet and very unstable/all over the place. Enough so that Zuko was comparable to her in that state because he had a sound and resolved state of mind. I'm pretty sure Iroh would likely beat Ozai during Sozin's comet in a controlled 1v1 with no outside intervention with high difficulty if not ending up dying to swing the fight resulting in both losing..but since Iroh would be doing it in self sacrifice it's really a win for good and loss for Ozai. If they fought a controlled environment 1v1 without Sozin's comet I think Iroh would win with mid difficulty..maayybe high diff depending on if he slips up at all or if we're talking about prison ripped Iroh or fat Iroh. Prison ripped Iroh is build diff and would wipe Iroh frfr
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Yes but that doesn't mean he's the top tier of the Royal Family. Ozai, Iroh and Azula wipe the floor with almost all other Fire Nation people so, it's easy to say that for Iroh.
But against each other? Much more technical situation.
@@thalmoragent9344 Agreed.
@@k.o6157 when did iroh release himself from jail with lightning? What epusode was that?
To me, that sliver of sun from the eclipse; the fact that he could even just FEEL that he was able to perform that lightning, and the intensity and speed at which he did it, that’s gotta be the most impressive feat
Even Azula feels it. The narrator say she heard the lighting strike from Ozai and Zuko but that is not correct
@@bomonyongokon9335 Not true. At least on screen (having just watched the episode again), Ozai attacks Zuko with lightning and he redirects, causing a lot of noise and whatnot. And then Azula, reacting to that noise even says "Oh, sounds like the fire bending is back on" acknowledging that she knows the eclipse is over and she can fire bend now because of what she heard.
And goobers will sit here and say Amon beats him despite Amon not controlling mako well enough to the point that mako was able to zap him. Except it’s different with Ozai cause Amon ain’t getting up from that shiiiii
Exactly he did it in what half a second
When it comes to Ozai's character, I've always kinda liked it. I can understand why people don't like him, but I think he serves his purpose. He's not supposed to be deep or have a backstory. He's not supposed to be complex. He's simple, kind of like actual dictators from our history. He lives solely for the purpose of wanting power. Everything he does is to gain more power, and to make sure his authority is unmatched. The amount of presence he has in the show is insane as well. I thought it was cool that they were building him up so much. He wasn't a character, but rather, an unstoppable force that could only be taken down by the Avatar. He is powerful, and intimidating. But of course, he was destined to be taken down by the Avatar, which is what happens. Again, I understand why people dislike him. He's a one dimensional dictator, but I liked that. I don't try to see him as a character to dissect the psychology of. I just see him as what he is. A pure evil incarnate. And also, a terrible father.
The worst father in the history of fatherhood.
Yeah the story doesnt need a deep antagonist
@@user-et7qc4kx8c *laughs in Shou Tucker*
people act like every character in a show has to be complex and very deep, while ignoring the fact that very simple people like Ozai exist in real life. There are people out there who only care for power. Ozai was the second son in a lineage of rulers who for generations have only cared for how strong they can get and how big they can expand their empire. He schemed and cheated his way into power and is very one dimensional. Its not a bad thing. That IS the character. It's not lack of writing, Ozai was intentionally written to be boring.
This simple characterization would have been made better if Ozai was the dark avatar. But instead of Ozai fusing with Vaatu, Ozai IS Vaatu. And he's the most powerful firebender, earthbender, waterbender, airbender, and energybender in existence.
Y’all remember how fast he shot lightning at zuko? He did that within the first second of getting his firebending back and shot it the fastest we’ve seen at that point!
here’s the thing
The only time (i remember) we see iroh lightning generate, he takes several seconds, granted he’s explaining how it works
Azula does hers in about 2 seconds
Ozai did it with both hands, with a sliver of the sun out, in less than a second
A feat unseen to this day three times over
@@tacticallemon7518 I think a lot of people overlooked those small details
Iroh also shot lightning to bust down a wall when he and Zuko were running away from Dai Li agents. Given that they were being chased Iroh neither had much time nor the option to be stationary.
@@tacticallemon7518we saw Mako generate lightning with enough force to throw a man back several feet with zero buildup.
not only that but he can rock that 2 hand lighting
Never noticed Ozai did double lightning, thats pretty cool
I agree, ozai is definitely looked down upon way more than he should be, i think it is because of his limited screen time.
I think people really just don't like him.
@@tonymarail6830 its because the only time we see him, he gets clapped, and thats unfair. He got clapped by aang that FULLY unleashed his avatar state for the very first time. People are unable to piece together just how powerful he really is, because he fought the avatar. Not a single fire bender was flying around with flames on their feet except Jon Jon, an EXCEPTIONAL fire bender, and member of the white lotus. not only that, he made light work of base aang, where as azula always had "trouble". Its alright that people dont like ozai and think hes weak, those people just arent able to follow the lore built up around him.
It’s because the one time we have seen him truly fight,was against the avatar,the only other feat that makes him far superior to azula is how he made lightning in an instant after the eclipse
@@xiphosmaniac I think it’s a wasted opportunity we never got to see Ozai beat any other characters before the finale. I think that would remedy this whole ordeal quite a bIt.
@@xiphosmaniac its honestly a testament to the show at large that he gets completely overlooked because really it's not that important. he's just a glorified plot device and that's not a knock on the show either, Ozai as a character didn't need to be anything more than that and i think over complicating his character would have been unnecessary.
Sidenote: you literally forgot the fact that he nearly overwhelmed Avatar Aang in spirit bending despite never even facing that as a form of attack.
Let that sink in. Dude had a spirit tug of war with the freaking Avatar and almost won
That scene was straight terrifying😭
You didn't listen to what the lion turtle said. That has nothing to do with bending ability.
@@bomonyongokon9335 the OP is saying ozai is talented. never seeing/confronting a spirit attack and nearly overcoming the AVATAR the first time he ever encounters one is a testament to his innate abilities and instincts.
@@bomonyongokon9335 its an indication of his unshakeable spirit
was that not the point of the energy bending? aangs spirit had to be unbendable otherwise he would be corrupted
iroh saying he doesnt know if he can beat ozai for me is enoth to say how powerful ozai is
Iroh saying that doesn't mean it's true. Even if azula was firelord Iroh will not agree to fight her, his ideology was "a brother killing a brother for power". If Iroh was evil Ozai will be no match.
And for the people that say azula fears Ozai I have a question??? Doesn't Ozai fear his father???
@@bomonyongokon9335 You're just trying to manipulate what Iroh thinks then. It's clear as day that Iroh says he's unsure if he would best the Fire Lord, and even on the off chance that he does beat Ozai, history would see it as another brother fighting a brother for power. That ideology is only part of the reason why he states Aang has to fight Ozai, along with the fact that he's unsure if he would be able to beat Ozai.
I do agree that the point about Azula fearing her father is inconsequential, as that can just be applied to child abuse in general and not to Ozai's strength. But it's pretty clear just how strong Ozai is compared to the other fire benders in this universe.
Just the fact that Zuko had a harder time holding back ozai's week lighting than azula's during the comet just shows how immensely strong this guy is
Not likely. Aang doesn't have the physical strength that Zuko has yet he didn't shift backwards the way Zuko did even with sozen's commet
@@bomonyongokon9335 aang was in his earthbending pose iirc, and the whole point of that pose is to keep you sturdy and immovable as a boulder. not saying you are wrong at all about his physique, but i do think you are ignoring a couple of important variables from aang redirecting his lightning...
@@bomonyongokon9335 bending has nothing to do with your physical strength
@@tacticallemon7518 Then iroh is the most powerful bender because his deteriorating age has nothing to do with bending. My brother bending has everything to do with physical strength it will not take just mental strength to withstand the surging power of a powerful lightening.
@@bomonyongokon9335 The fact that you used iroh, a character that said “strength in fire bending comes from the breath, not your muscles” as a way to ‘prove’ your muscles have jack shit to do with firebending is ironic
I didn’t know Ozai was so downplayed in the community. I agree with everything in the video. Though given that Iroh as an old man could at least hang with Ozai makes me think Iroh in his prime was the strongest firebender.
Agreed I never got the impression that he was weak, even if the series did make jokes about him a couple of times. He was officially stated to be the strongest firebender during the series & while Azula was a prodigy she still had a long way to reach the power that Ozai had. I haven't involved myself with the fanbase once since Korra ended, which is why I had no clue the community downplayed his strength.
Unlike Iroh, who let himself go after the death of his son, Ozai _never_ stopped training or pushing his limits. Also the fact that he didn't join the military left him with more time to focus on perfecting his skills. The man was dedicated to being the best firebender in the world.
Honestly, peak to peak I srill think Ozai was stronger. Iroh likely knew a bit more thanks to his knowledge and wisdom gained from other sources but Ozai was like the Palpatine of Firebending. He was so perfectly attuned and so deeply immersed in the fire inside him that he likely still would have edged out his brother at both of their respective heights of power.
When iroh was in his prime ozai was a little kid
@@Rjlamar-yr3pt Not really, A portrait of the two of them together shows Ozai in his late teens with Iroh in his mid-20s.
You can find it in the book Legacy of the Fire Nation.
Despite little was shown about Ozai, it was clear that he was on another level as a bender. Not only is he the strongest fire bender, he was possibly the strongest bender. It took a fully awaken avatar state in order to beat him. Ozai is a once in a millennium type power
You forgot the person fighting him was a 12 year old kid who leant 3 different bendings I less than a year. To make matters worse the said boy was never taught to attack people. Quite frankly that is child abuse.
@@bomonyongokon9335 It's obviously child abuse, but considering episode 3 of the show deals with genocide I don't know why that would be shocking. Royal Ace's point is that Aang had to use the avatar state to be of any contest for a long time.
Azula is the most powerful firerbender cause she’s only 14 and she’s as powerful if not more than ozai when she gets older she would become a god
Yea that’s true but when he’s in the avatar state he’s technically not ang anymore he is all the avatars using all there knowledge and power
That’s why he almost killed ozai because it wasn’t really him anymore
The most powerful firebender is obviously the soldier who makes the tiny flame and puff of smoke during the eclipse. That's a feat that is not seen from ozai or azula (possibly iroh off screen) people gotta put respect on his name (whatever it is) think about it, he made flame multiple seconds to a minute after firebenders were completely cut off.
When????
Fact is if comon people and soldiers had exes to knowlege and information of fire bending that at a time of 100 year war only Loyal family had fire army would be far more powerfful and some would be on Ozai level
LMAO this is facts
It´s not really a great feat actually, it´s very likely the Eclipse nerf debuffs firebending so much, pulling off smokebending during it is a actual possible feat, but the output is so negligible Azula and Ozai deemed it pointless to even try, on other benders, which makes sense, tiny flames and smoke arent going to do anything against Airbenders, Water benders and Earthbenders at base basic common sense.
Ozai is, quite frankly, scary powerful. He might not be the most intricate or nuanced villain, but as far as serving his narrative role as an incredible, impossible, insurmountable wall for the Gaang to struggle against at the end (and being voiced by Mark Hamill, the most important narrative role ;P ), well, he excels at that. The skill section was highly interesting to me. Didn’t realize he had that much control and precision.
That the lightning bolt he shot at Zuko, under only a sliver of sun, contained more power than Zuko’s chi in his whole body was shocking (no pun intended) and cool. Makes me wonder how, in relative comparison to Ozai, his kids ended up so much weaker and less refined than him… And Azula and Zuko are no slouches. Do you think if Azula, Zuko, and Iroh all fought Ozai together they’d be able to take it or no? And, follow up, do you think Azula could or would grow up to match him in her prime?
Its possible, considering she's barely making it to 20 years old and Ozai is at least 40
I honestly believe she has the most potential of any bender in the show for their respective element considering she was solidly above essentially the entire gaang for most of the show even when ganged up on at the age of 14
@@mr.nonamefalloffchair6443 I was going to say, I don’t think Azula is just “so much weaker”, she’s literally only 14! Not even in prime age yet, while he’s twice her age but still in his prime 😂
Tbf Zuko and Azula are way younger thab Ozai abd Iroh yet they were already masters of the element in their own right. I bet either one of them in their prime would stomp Ozai.
Azula no doubt would've surpassed him
Ozai showed how powerful he was when he wasn't even close to full power or 1% and shot lighting comparable to Sozin's comet power at Zuko.
Considering how closely ATLA follows the original Star Wars trilogy, it's surprising more people don't recognize the comparison between the Ozai-Azula power dynamic to Palpatine-Vader. Like in Star Wars, the big bad doesn't really appear or do anything until the final act, and all feats performed by his dragon - Vader or Azula - not only apply to but are surpassed by the big bad.
Where I think a lot of the misconceptions about Ozai stem from is how he ascended the throne. He displayed an uncharacteristic submissiveness to his father Azulan in agreeing to kill his firstborn son, and then gained the throne through a plot by his wife involving poison and deception, with no firebending involved. A lot of people probably believe that this shows he was not strong enough to take the throne by force. But even if he killed his father in an Agni Kai, that would only serve to make Iroh the Fire Lord right away since it would be a public event and there would be no way to pretend that Azulan wanted Ozai on the throne. It was in Ozai's interest to get back on his father's good side in the hope of convincing him to make him the next Fire Lord later on rather than fight him then and there, even if it meant sacrificing Zuko. The poison method allowed Ozai to fake Azulan's will by being done in secret.
@brickin Yeah
And Palpatine made sure Vader couldn't reach and surpass his power.
I never knew the fandom thought Ozai was unskilled or a bad bender. I could understand the Iroh vs. Ozai debate having more people favor Iroh, since we see him more, he learned true fire bending, etc. Even then I thought the general consensus was Ozai is either #1 or #2 best fire bender in the series for most fans. I've never entertained that Azula was more skilled or powerful than her father. Ozai generating lightning so fast always stood out to me, since we never saw Iroh or Azula do that. I never questioned Ozai being the most powerful fire bender in the world.
True fire bending doesn’t matter
I feel like Ozai is so heavily slept on is because he’s sorta one dimensional, but that’s ok, he’s a means to an end he doesn’t have to be deep.
The fire lord is and always has been the strongest fire bender in the world.
I thought he was a good villian as you always felt his presence through out the whole show.
To me, villains DON’T have to be anything other than a menace, other than an antagonist, other than just a very bad guy. I’m not against villains with personality or villains with backstories that make your heartache but unlike heroes or protagonists… a villain CAN be one dimensional, as long as they give a great show like Ozai, S-tier villain.
I miss the simple hero and villain days when you got a kind hearted good guy, little or lots of problems, wanting to give his time to helping those because he thinks it’s right against a bad guy who has little or lots of problems but is the entire opposite in ideology. Good vs evil, simple as that, instead of “Anti-hero” or “Anti-villain” with all this deep and confusing lore.
I wish he was deeper tbh. I hope future projects develop his character in like a prequel or follow up or whatever they’ve got cooking.
I feel like just a little bit of understanding of his family dynamic/childhood would be enough to flush him out. He doesn’t need to be as flushed as Zuko or Azula, but I’d have wished to know more about why he is the way he is.
@@venus-pq5ggEvil daddy Azulon, Ozai speaks out against Iroh Azulon gets mad tell him to kill Zuko then Ursa and Ozai conspire to kill Azulon. Azulon was the son of evil daddy Sozin and Sozin had too much time away from his buddy Roku and was consumed with his evil thoughts.
Great job. Glad to see this finally see the light of day.
Having read your blog on him before, def recognised your structure when detailing Ozais strength, reputation and skill
Lord Sidious
Maybe lightning redirection isn’t easier physically than generating it but Iroh teaching Zuko how to redirect it after he fails to generate it implies it’s easier to unlock because it doesn’t require the same level of focus and peace of mind that lightning generation requires
I imagine the reason Aang could do it on ozai´s comet enhanced lightning was because his water bending training helped, Zuko could only nail it because it was eclipse nerfed lightning and Ozai did too soon, had he waited a few more secs and he could´ve guaranteed the kill on Zuko.
They should make a series of Ozai’s life, I’ve always loved his character ❤
They will make you love him though lmao.
Same, and not that I think he's not an abuser or anything but I think he has a sad back story like every villain that wasn't told and would like to see more of him
@@MarIam-fg1pm this is exactly why I don't want a backstory. It will make you love Ozai as a person and we know he's evil. Azula, yes. Ozai, no. I love Ozai as a villain
@@UnapologeticallyMuslimah its just kinda unfair, weknow nothing about him.. even though azula has been so cruel the whole show and just for 2 small scenes people felt sorry for her. Ozai is a very important character that deserved to see the show from him not from his family the show made him so shallow and fans see him as mab who's just evil like he was born this way
@@UnapologeticallyMuslimah so at least to see the guy much more I feel like we didn't see him enough his scenes were so few
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If we can't assume a limit on Ozai's power based on what we don't see him do, than we certainly can't assume a limit on the dragons based on this one scene, especially since the dragons aren't even performing an attack, they're just making ceremonial visuals.
This is sound logic however, you're misrepresenting the training used. The Ozai>Dragons comment was specifically relating to Ozai being explicitly stated to be The most powerful Fire Bender in the world DESPITE the fact that the Dragons were still alive. The comparison between the Dragon's Flame vs Ozai's Torrent was foe the purposes of scaling that particular feat rather than as some kind of proof that he was superior to the Dragons.
Not to mention that he even almost overtake Aang with his Chi when Aang tried to take his Bending away. Aang literally have to use "Protagonist's Power" to counter that.
I thinks it's more of Aang being unsure of himself but Ozai does have a strong will and sense of self
Nah Aang nailed it because Ozai´s got brainwashed by Sozin´s propaganda had aang tried it on sozin and he would´ve died case Sozin didnt need propaganda to be evil he was HIM!
The fact that Aang wa able to redirect Ozais lightning without the avatar state shows me Aang is GOATed
It shows me that lightning redirection is simply a great channeler and doesn’t necessarily care for one’s power level.
@@AntoineBandele Aang being quite good at water bending probably gave him some proclivity for the technique considering it was created by studying water bending philosophy
@@AntoineBandele I think I does matter for ones power level...because Ozau has such a great chi than any other firebender and produces a ton of lightning and the fact the gang redirected it...just awesome
@@KRISTIANSMILJANIC Good point
I disagree that Ozai is more powerful than Iroh. we must understand that if Iroh didn't loose his son which changed his life Ozai will be no match for him.
And why was Ozai at home when Iroh was busy conquering in impenetrable earth city??
I have seen that Ozai and Aang fight sooo many times and I ALWAYS thought Ozai dodged the air that erodes the rock column. How could I have missed that and how the hell did he get up after that? It literally broke apart a giant rock.
Dude had some insane durability, that’s for sure.
i vaguely know what scene youre talking about...and my headcanon was that he essentially mitigated it with some quick fire shield or something, kind of like how aang put his air bubble up to mitigate the knockback when ozai broke his rock tomb
Another great video. I'm in Ozai beats Iroh camp, but Iroh never says he'd lose. He's just not sure he can win. There's a big difference. That aside, Ozai I don't understand how anyone underestimates Ozai.
It really is a mobility issue for iroh, all Ozai needs to do is target is legs also Iroh wouldnt be able to face ozai in that cliff terrain because the sheer distance he´d get knocked back from receiving ozai´s lightning would disturb his footing by having him fall off the cliff and we know that when redirecting lightning, you can only focus on that and nothing else while you have a foothold or you´ll end up like Zuko being hit by Azula´s lightning due to jumping to save Katara.
yes i 100% agree with this this fandom highly undervalue ozai's power and skill. I'm glad this video clears it up, the only other character i think gets more or equal amount of being underappreciative is Korra herself which is till this day is crazy lol.
Don't get me started on Korra...
korra is incredibly underrated I agree, I think she just faced much harder opponents... which she learns from...
@Lil Broomstick Don't tell that to Korra haters lol
Far too many Korra haters
Probably the worst avatar 😂. I mean she’s good in the sense that she was opposite to aang. Aang started his journey knowing nothing yet became a complete prodigy by learning the elements in less than a year. While korra started with almost all of them yet could only use water and fire effectively.
Never heard anyone say Ozai was weak always been a beast in my eyes
theres this dude im in a tik tok argument trying to say ozai is pathetic n couldnt even sneak zuko.... cause he totally expects zuko to have an ability only iroh has... that i doubt iroh goes around showng off to the only people who use lightning
@@wesbradley-taubner9066 that.... was my point...
What non avatar has been shown to be better at Fire Bending than Ozai? The Avatar State is a cheat as your past lives are bending for you. Every avatar could summon Wan's techniques, although it would be Wan's bending rather than theirs. I can understand if someone mistakenly thought Azula was better for having blue flames & being a prodigy who likely never reached her peak. Combustion Man was weak & just unorthodox, nowhere near a contender for best firebender.
You'd be surprised alot of Azula simps out there🤣
@@WaterKirby1994 I´d really argue that even with the avatar state had ozai been smarter he could´ve killed aang, first, when Aang got on that boulder, Ozai could´ve cooked him alive from above or straight up used lightning from above, due to his charging time Aang wouldnt have been able to do anything because he had to keep the boulder strong he would´ve likely been hit by it with no chance of redirection due to the angle.
Other win conditions for Ozai would be to use lightning against Avatar state aang, because no matter how powerful he´s in the avatar state the comet enhanced lightning will go through that sphere like it´s nothing and once it hits him, because he´s in flight and using multiple bending types, he will not be able to properly redirect the lightning back at ozai without a foothold as it´s literally impossible for any bender to redirect lightning on air, not even in legend of Korra do we see the feat, a foothold is always necessary because the lightning has a knock back eff on anyone who receives it and to attempt a redirection while keeping flight with other bending active will disturb and prevent the redirection process in it´s entirety as no bender can do anyother bending while redirecting, this is due to the fact they are already overcharged with Chi.
Remember Ozai was such a threat every Avatar except Aang immediately went for lethal force in the avatar state, they knew no matter how superior in bending they all were in the avatar state Ozai would always have a win condition with lightning if he hit and it couldnt be redirected even once, the avatar would guaranteedly die, thats a pretty serious threat
Another great video. Yet, even still, I disagree with the assessment that Ozai is a poorly written adversary. He was designed with the specific intention to test Aang's resolve, pushing our pacifistic protagonist far beyond his comfort zone. Aang is a character who believes that, no matter the circimstance, every life is valuable. As such, portraying Ozai as a genocidal, megalomaniacal tyrant is the perfect final antagonist. Unlike Zuko he isn't misguided, nor does he have any redeeming qualities. Unlike Azula he isn't merely a tool for another but is acting with full autonomy. Unalaq, though a cool villain in his own right, is not a foil to Korra in the same way that Ozai is to Aang. With all this being said I believe that Ozai is one of the greatest villains in the series. His impact on the overall verse cannot be understated, even outside of his raw powerscaling. Again, awesome video
i dont even consider him a villain, ozai seemed to be a good human being
@@uberhikari6294 b8
Ozai is also the result and personification of Fire Nation imperialism. Cold, ruthless, vicious, cruel and ambitious. I think Ozai could be Iroh, Zuko, and Azula together. Zuko and Azula get negative diff if a Firebeinging struggle. Ozai also can dodge Azula lighting and and probably won't use his own in this fight. Iroh is passed his prime even despite his prison training arc. Ozai eventually and quickly overwhelmed him. 3v1 Mid diff in Ozai favor of victory.
@@Anthonest1 its true
@@Nubin2000 Ozai spared the life of ursa, and the life of that yuyan archer who was hired to kill ikem...
Ozai was a pure hearted kind human being, not a evil man.
Ozai was the one CREATING the fire curtain in the throne room and the rest of the fire in the throne room is all his bending. He is the firebending GOAT.
In the words of a wise man… *clears throat* ….. “HE’S THE GOOOAAAT, THE GOOOOOAAATTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Thank you.
@qbgrindddd Azulon also did the same.
About the sensing feat:
Ozai has the greater feat. There are people in the world that can sense storms coming due to pressure changes. My mom had a neck injury and since then experiences severe pain when thunderstorms are coming. It’s never been wrong. Ever. It’s possible that Iroh can sense those pressure changes as well. But that’s not a bending feat. As you pointed out, firebending isn’t outright gone, just weakened. It’s entirely possible that Ozai could still firebend during the eclipse, just not enough to kill with it. If a rank and file soldier is able to make a small puff, imagine what Ozai can do.
I´d argue that his ability to sense the comet and nail his breathing timing with the solstice was crazy as well, everyother firebender was breathing in way after the comet already showed up but ozai did it right when it came it really showed his efficiency as a firebender no mistakes in his bending.
People LOVE to downplay Ozai. He truly was a master and the most powerful and skilled firebender alive.
I love when you analyze the capabilities of a character in his universe in such detail, I particularly appreciated the part of the control of the firebending from the feet to fly, surely those who took care of the scene wanted to convey just what you said. Ozai is unquestionably really powerful, if only for the fact that it resists for a not so short time to an Aang in the state of the avatar and also enhanced by Sozin's comet. Even thinking that Ozai's firebending is similar to that of Aang in those conditions is more than remarkable. Also with regard to physical qualities the only character with a similar physical resistance I think is Korra in the clash with Zaheer, each of the many falls she makes in the rocky plain would have killed an ordinary human being, but it is still the avatar in the avatar state,so even more points for Ozai
Haven't fully watched yet, but the premise is a thought I've had for a while. Ozai is incredibly skilled with a high fight IQ, the problem is it's only truly demonstrated during his fight with Aang and it's also really subtle. Theres multiple points in the fight where he reads Aang like a book and has a counter prepared for whatever Aang does.
Also, he lasted the longest against the Avatar state put of anyone in the series, including Sozin lol
Sozin was really subpar in bending compared to later firelords, still a master, but probably capped around Jeong´s level if anything, maybe a bit higher as Roku recognized he was a prodigy at firebending (tho he has none of Azula or Ozai´s feats so they were clearly superior prodigies).
I personally pronounce Ozai’s name the same way as you so I don’t understand what is wrong with how you say it
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Yes I’m confused too
it's the same way ron says 'wingardium leviosa' wrong before hermione corrects him: the vowel sounds and accents are correct but the length of the syllables are 'wrong'. it's ohhhhh-zai, not oh-zaaai. tbh it's really no that big of the deal, it's a damn fictional character for crying out loud and it's nowhere near the massacre of pronunciations from that movie that shall not be named lmao.
@@AntoineBandeleSometimes you put the emphasis on the second syllable instead of the first. :)
@@nightingale4786 actually funny story in the movie Ron says it correctly when he was meant to say it wrong (rupert grint that is). The actor in the following scene then says both because hes referencing that Hermione corrected him, so we know for a fact this is a film error
The comparison between Ozai and the two dragons was a bit dicey because in that part of the video you were comparing their raw power against one another. One could only assume how strong those dragons would be under the comet's influence. Other than that though, the video is solid my guy ✊
Best video you've ever done good sir!
Aye! Are you the first subscriber to hit Avatar Antoine status!?
@@AntoineBandele 🤣🤣
Downplaying Ozai is ridicilous because dude fought fully awakened Avatar, you know, the MASTER of all four elements?
i always interpreted Iroh taking multiple deep breaths not as him gathering power but preparing himself mentally to start the fight
It's probably a combination of both, like Antoine said, that amount of fire bending requires a lot of mental strength as well, to be able to concentrate fire together that much.
Never understood people saying Ozai is poorly written or over the top evil or something. He, as does the rest of his nation, shares the same views of cultural and racial superiority that many real life tyrannical regimes do, like a certain one from Germany, as well as Imperial Japan, which the fire nation is obv based on. Idk how he could be too evil or not nuanced when perhaps his viewpoint and reasoning is more real and scary than we’d like to believe
Ozai's more physically overpowered than real world tyrants, could you imagine if Putin had bending? At least Ozai's position of power has logic behind it being that he was royalty, still plotted his way to a throne, & had physical strength to back up his regime. Reality makes less sense than Fiction, it's like many of them are Long Feng only more successful. From what I understand deception & long history of poor leadership are enduring.
I feel like redirecting lightning is more difficult than generating it. Since redirecting requires you to withstand the lightning in your body, instead of charging it up and releasing it
Bingo, on top of it, you need to keep a foothold while dealing with knockback from the lightning and not try anything else while redirecting it.
This rule probably even applies to the Avatar state as the chi from the lightning can disrupt the chi from the Avatar state and thus redirecting the lightning with a foothold with no other bending type active is likely a rule even the avatar has to follow unless he/she wants to risk death.
I don’t hear you pronouncing Ozai differently than how I’ve heard it. Great video! It really makes it significant that Aang took Ozai’s bending away. If Fire Nation culture values power and strength, then losing his ability to bend destroys his prestige. It also shows that, not only is Aang powerful enough to defeat Ozai, but that he is capable of taking away another bender’s power, no matter how skilled they are.
IT delegitimizes him as a firelord as well, as all firelords have to be firebenders by default, so Ozai´s status goes to basically retired as a cripple.
During the invasion we saw Ozai put a fire at least as great as seven soldiers combined. So his raw power is at least 7 times that of a regular user and combined that with extra agility and tactic. He is a force to be reckoned with.
PS What about Jeong Jeongs control of flight? It was pretty impressive too heh?
jon jon is an absolute beast no one talks about it because it doesnt need to be said LOL its one of the known facts
Jeong is probably around or just a bit below Sozin´s level with firebending, Iroh, Azula and Ozai being considerably higher
@@sebas8225 Jeong Jeong was producing massive fire walls with enough density to push TANKS, while SIMULTANEOUSLY firebending from his FEET. Even without the Comet, he created a massive fire wall in "The Deserter."
Not quite on par with Ozai, but certainly in a similar realm of power and control to Iroh, and in my opinion superior to Azula.
I think your Channel was the first time I heard the quote from the creators explicitly saying that “Ozai is the most powerful fire bender.” I try to tell people in the fandom that die on the Iroh hill.
Can I just add with lightning redirection, I think Ozai's arrogance when observing Aang's redirection attempt was valid. Aang noticeable struggles, I'd say even more than Zuko when redirecting the lightning, which is observable as he audibly reacts somewhat painfully as he strains to contain the energy of the lightning. I think the ability of lightning redirection is possible for most firebenders but as Iroh said, it is still very dangerous and quite difficult especially when dealing with energy output on Ozai's level of magnitude
I'll be that guy that says it's easier to throw a good punch than to send someone to the ground after deflecting said punch. Awesome vid, tho
I sometimes wish we got to see more of Ozai powers. I like the idea of not showing his skill to the end of the show but man would it be cool to have seen him obliterate a couple ppl in like a flashback or something.
Using the scene with the dragons for power scaling is a bit misplaced. They weren't really focusing their power into an attack. Wasn't their action their more got ceremony?
Cool video, thanks for making this. Also your pronunciation of Ozai is fine
Due to their culture, Ozai HAS to be the strongest... They have ritual battles built into their society at the highest levels! Uncle Iroh is better balanced, but due to this his powers are spread, not focused.
That being said, I think Iroh would win in a fight as the power gap isn't big enough for technique to fail.
I think Ozai strength is similar to what Iroh would have been in his prime. We can assume Iroh is at least 10-15 years older than Ozai, meaning Iroh was probably capable of the same feats at that age. Interesting to think about.
Ozai did not redirect lightning zuko would have killed him during the day of black sun part 2
If only he aimed up and you know actualy want it to kill him
Even though dragons are thought of as the original firebenders, colloquially in the show “bender” is used to refer to humans bending the elements. When the people of Republic City felt oppressed by benders, this of course did not include the sky bison on Air Temple Island. Therefore, I don’t think it’s correct to extrapolate that the directors meant Ozai was also more powerful than each of the dragons. He could have been, but I don’t believe they meant to include dragons in that statement. I also don’t believe we have enough examples to say Ozai’s fire is generally stronger, because the dragons weren’t even trying to attack Aang and Zuko, plus it wasn’t during Sozin’s comet. Also, Ozai hasn’t been shown to be able to manipulate the different spectrums of flame color like them. To put out such a variety of energy in the same blast and also not burn Zuko and Aang was a masterful technical feat.
agreed, theres a reason the dragons were hunted to extinction. You make very valid points here that line up with how i thought, but didnt know how to express. The control of the different spectrums of flame, simultaneously, was probably my favorite "Wow" moment with the dragons.
In terms of flame colors, as the masters of fire bending and being the original benders, it makes sense that the Dragons are able to do that as they're probably the most skillful at fire bending. That doesn't take away from Ozai being the most powerful firebender though, regardless if you consider dragons benders or not (even though in the show the animals that started the various types of bending are called the "original benders"). While I do agree that I think that dragons are probably the most skillful fire benders, the fact that they can be captured and hunted (and that the idea of one person, Iroh, as being capable of hunting and killing the last dragon (yes ik he didn't)) probably shows that a fire bender can be more powerful than a dragon at fire bending. That doesn't takeaway from the skillfulness and power of dragons either, because it would require an extremely powerful fire bender to be compared to a dragon (like with Ozai).
Learning by the dragons doesn't matter much
Look at azula.Ozai.Jeong jeong and look at zuko and iroh
@@Rjlamar-yr3ptexactly it's just philosophy.
I always knew Ozai Power was crazy, The fear respect others and the fire nation have for him is it just because hes the fire Lord it's because obviously he has immense power which enforces the fear they have for him
I’ve always believed that Ozai was that guy compared to Iroh 🤷🏾♂️
I kinda expect ozai to be one of the best fire benders but I feel like he could have used a tiny bit more showtime I get the psychological reasoning to hide his true potential but it would be cool to get at least some showing beyond at his best and ig worst during the eclipse
The best Ozai versus scenario that I've seen is that one poll on tumblr where everyone just agreed that during the eclipse, Hakoda could deck him with one punch.
Despite having seen Katara blood bend, Zuko still thinks Iroh is the only one who could possibly beat Ozai. The Gaang and Iroh don’t even entertain the idea of fighting Ozai without either Aang or Iroh. Not to mention that Iroh is unsure if he could even beat Ozai. Yet everyone is ok with Zuko and Katara taking Azula on their own.
Basically, based on the Gaang and Iroh’s estimations:
Ozai >/ Iroh > Katara plus Zuko > Azula.
Katara can only bloodbend full moon and they have a deadline. We also have to consider that Ozai would be heavily guarded and getting to face gim at that time would be a challenge (even without a time limit).
I mean ozai had to cheat his way to the throne so he obviously wasn't first choice anyway with his bending abilities and birthright. What I do think is impressive however is his lightning bending and fire breathing
He wasn’t first choice due to birth order, not bending abilities.
@@peterl3417 I know but you can still overtake your elder sibling if you have bending abilities 10 times better than theirs I'm sure
@@NateDoesFilms1397 There are many factors, the current ruler's choice, other important people's choice, birth order, sex, bending, idk it's never delved deep into in the show.
@NateDoesFilms only if you are massively superior like Azula was to Zuko not if you are on the same level .
@@user-yj7ve5zv9n that's what I mean
I don't agree with the statement that ozai makes double lightning, he is separating the positive and negative energy simultaneously in either hand and brings them together to get the discharge. This looks exactly the same as how iroh does it in his slow demonstration for Zuko. Creating lightning with the one hand should be impossible according to the lore established by iroh. Also he is visually only shooting a single bolt
I haven't read the blog or watched the video too long after 8:38. Ima have to disagree with you there. Fire lord Azulon had just died while Iroh was out of the country; making it easy for Ozai to take the throne. Iroh didn't bother to fight with Ozai with one of the main reasons being that his will had been broken and he'd been grieving over the death of his son during the siege of Ba Sing Se. Having the title of fire lord in this context doesn't necessarily mean that Ozai is stronger.
Crazy how this video made Ozai suddenly one of my favorite villains in all of my childhood. I have a whole new appreciation for him now
Great video! Couldn’t agree more. Ozai is very underrated and still is the most powerful nonavatar state fire bender
I definitely believe the fire nation kept the advanced op techniques for the royal family, lightning is unheard of but in Korra it’s common. Ozai was on x games mode
But even in Korra we dont see blue flames or Dual lightning so yeah there´s that.
I imagine lightning got widespread due to the need for electricity and metalbending demand, firebenders needed lightning as a way to compete with metalbender demand.
Maybe Azula widespread lightning teachings?
Something else to consider is that ozai generates some of his fire during Sozin's Comet without any fire bending movement. That's the case for his first attack that burns down the forest: he just concentrates and the fire happens. No other bender ever did this is the show, even during the coment.
Seriously, people thing Ozai is trash? He always felt incredibly powerful to me, not only because of how much people hyped him up but also because the few times he appeared on screen he showed both precision and magnetude in his bending. If losing to THE MOST POWERFUL BEING IN THE PLANET makes you trash than every single being ever defeated by an Avatar is "Sokka Level".
Yeah, when folks make flippant remarks about “OzAi LoSt To A cHiLd” i want to roll my eyes so hard.
I think it's a reverb thing, the show builds up how mini is he is, so fans start pointing out that there are probably a few who could stand up against him, so other fans start down playing those characters ability, so the now offended fans start to exaggerate how weak he is, so now the other offended fans act attacked and further diminish the ability of others.
He lost a 1 on 1 with the avatar still a better feat than other v8illains.
Ozai gets lowballed? I think most just think he is a lame character, but still consider him to be one of the strongest benders.
Idk, man. This is a hard sell for me. I do believe Ozai is a powerful bender. But just think of how he would have performed against Aang without the 100x boost from the comet. He would've been no more a threat than Zhao, with some extra danger in the form of lightning. He's angry, brutish, just like Zhao was. His fire bending comes from anger, which was said to be less effective than the original source, the sun.
Ozai seems to be a good fighter, but he's way too egotistical to be a great fighter. He almost gets clapped TWICE by lightning redirection. Once by Zuko, and once by Aang. He was cocky and got caught off guard, and either instance could've ended his life instantly. It was only through their good nature that he lived to tell the tale.
Ozai definitely seems to be more mobile than Iroh, and I think that's def why Iroh felt anxious about his chances. Ozai is also younger than Iroh. But against more dexterous characters, that advantage is mostly moot.
I actually think they overestimated Ozai's strength. I think his technique is good, but the source of his firebending is angry and wild. He's an adult in a highly militaristic culture. It makes sense that he's going to be stronger than his own children. Give them a decade, and I believe they would easily surpass him.
Happy New Year's, Antoine
Looking forward towards your content here this year
The comment I wrote your Ozai vs Iroh from 4 years ago will be a bit amended. since they are dated now. But 1000% agree on how we each lowball Ozai because he's character is a basic villain but in terms of what he could do in match ups is scary as hell.
Flat character but max power, a wrecking ball of destruction Ozai is
38:35 Kiyi isn't his step daughter. She's his ex wife's daughter.
Your point still stands, it just bugged me that you called her his step daughter when she's not.
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Wdym you don’t say Ozai weird? That’s how they say it in the snow lol
For years I've been told I say his name weird LOL
@@AntoineBandele I think it’s because you have a little pause in between o and zai
It's always been weird to me that people think Azula stands a chance. Sozin comet Azula wouldn't even do as good against Base aang whereas Aang absolute needed the avatar state to take on ozai.
It seems people just mix up disliking a character with downplaying their power level when it comes to Avatar. Korra more or less gets the same treatment
I think a major factor in Ozai's favor was his precision fire jets giving him AIR SUPERIORITY. Aang is accustomed to being able to outmaneuver opponents, and Ozai's ability to fly during the Comet simply took that away from him.
I honestly think redirecting is as hard as creating, because one can be tempted to hold that power for themselves, or conduct it wrongly through their body and in both occasions end up killing themselves, just like someone that tries to produce lightning
I never thought ozai was weak. He's definitely the strongest fire bender outside of iroh. I always put them on par with each other, maybe I'll watch the old video to see if there is evidence it should swing towards Ozai. I still think peak iroh is stronger than peak Ozai. We are introduced to Iroh after his peak. Training in a jail cell for a couple months is not his peak and at that level he isn't sure he could beat Ozai implying there was a possibility he could
Yes, perfect! I didn't find this analysis until it showed up in my feed and I'm glad it did cause I've been defending his title as strongest fire bender for as long as I can remember. If Iroh stood a chance, you'd think he'd just outright say it instead of "I'm not sure if I could". Responses like that tend to lean more towards 'No'. Azula (even in Smoke and Shadow) is basically a Wal-Mart version of Ozai. No disrespect towards Azula, but it's true 🤷♂️
Absolutely agree. I've felt this way since I first watched the series all the way back when it was first released. I've always loved that youre one of the people who gives Ozai the respect he deserves and while I was a aware of a lot of this, some is new to me so I thank you for the new debating ammunition. Ozai is the most powerful Fire Bender in the verse and arguably the most skilled as well.
Also Mind you that he was able to shoot lightning in half a second while shooting it at his own son, no-one moment of hesitation
I don't think anyone has ever quick drawn lightning that fast in the franchise. At least with anyone else, you have a few seconds to prepare as they charge it to strike.
@@marrqi7wini54 nobody can quickdra that much lightning that fast ever in the franchise, mako could make faster lightning on amon due to desperation, but it was nowhere near a quarter of the output Ozai showed here.
I think the reason people underestimate Ozai is because they underestimate Aang. Azula basically defeated Aang, and Aang defeated Ozai, therefore Azula can defeat Ozai. Something along that line of thinking. They don't realize how much growth Aang went through (he couldn't even properly firebend at that point) and how crazy powerful he became once he could control the Avatar state. I can't wait for the movie in 2024 which shows him as an adult because then we'll get to see him at his peak.
Transitive property without context does not work.
For instance, without context, this does not make sense: Dooku > Obi > Anakin > Dooku > etc.
Plus your use of ABC logic is quite poor when you are using Prime Obi-Wan and Old Obi-Wan as your foundation.
@@AntoineBandele I just ask about Rock paper scissors. Sometimes people have just better matchups against different things, with different tradeoffs. With something simple lime top speed, transitive properties work but with a complicated state of affairs, its only a factor
@@gunchar06 Exactly my point. It doesn't make sense.
@@AntoineBandele I'm saying the people who think like this are wrong. I just think people who have only watched the series once might have this line of subconscious thinking.
Azula wasn’t stronger than Aang, it was just a bad matchup for him due to how their personalities clashed. Aang is a pacifist, Azula is a ruthless killer. You hardly ever see Aang really go on the offensive, and that’s a bad strategy to employ against someone like Azula.
Thanks! For the new avatar video ❤❤
You will learn respect, and suffering will be your teacher.
Something that was soo dumb regarding the lightning bending in korra...
1)that it has become soo common, in AtLA it was not presented as a secret technique but as a high level one.
2) as someone who has studied electrical power generation; using lightning bolts is a terrible and weak method to generate electrical power. far better would be earth/metal/water bending on a rotor-stator setup
This would be my response to you: czcams.com/video/zGmMuz7zJbs/video.html
I think their biggest mistake with Ozai was season 3 for the first 2 seasons we only heard his voice and everyone was talking about how scary he was in season 3 they should've played into that a little more the second they showed his face that's when they should've shown him kill someone infront of us or showed his skill and showed his intelligence more or even show his skill in a "training exercise" against Zuko or Azula something like that where when we go into the fight we know oh shit this guy might be the best firebender in the world and not only that he gets this insane boost from a comet oh shiiit
He doesn't actually need a feat like that he's king controls strongest military on earth, that's enough. He looks like a normal guy that was the point
@@daraghokane4236 if it was enough people wouldn't think he was a pushover and that Azula a 17 year old girl could beat him
@@bubblegum8959 it straight up wouldn't matter if the fire lord was bed ridden and paralysed he's still strongest man king strongest army and strongest economy, I could beat hittler and any king with a gun or a rock if I someone get to face them one on one with nobody around
@@bubblegum8959 technical every abel bodied person in the fire nation could potentially kill him he's not bullet proof or poison proof. But none of them want to turn on there king
@@bubblegum8959 here is how he could kill his daughter say I fire lord say my daughter is a enemy of the fire nation. Or kill her on her sleep
"Can intimately feel his firebending power in his soul" that must have hurt after losing it
Damn, came back big.
I'm not sure if it has been stated anywhere, but could Ozai have learned firebending from the dragons? I always liked his calm and calculated demeanor, but as calm as he has to be and as precise as he is, I wonder if he may have learned from them. He is manipulative so it is possible that he could have deceived the dragons. The fact that he is so intune with firebending and his chi makes me wonder this.
I think it's actually more impressive if he never met or learned from the dragons. That would mean all his skill and technique is all his own.
ozai is just that angry. the reason he was so ruthless against aang was because he was mad that aang was finessing him
You think they would think of him as being worthy bro?
Nah dragons can read you and you cant lie to them they would know his true nature
In general, I only have two real criticisms of the argumentation in this video. Both of them are minor but because I'm ultra pedantic I'm going to mention them anyway. The first is the idea that Ozai didn't think he was in much danger with Zuko. Now, I might be wrong but the way I remember that scene going down, Zuko had made it clear that his intention was not to actually kill Ozai, simply to be heard and to leave without being pursued. So if Ozai didn't think he was in much danger, that might've had something to do with it. The other thing is with Iroh's quote on whether or not he could beat Ozai. The full quote is as follows: "Even if I could defeat my brother, and I don't know that I could, it would be remembered by the world as a brother killing another brother for power." In other words at least part of Iroh's apprehension toward fighting Ozai was in how meaningless the battle would be. He doesn't fully dismiss the idea that he could beat Ozai but he does dismiss the idea that the fight itself would accomplish anything even if he won. Personally, I don't even think Iroh is stronger than Ozai, I think they're more or less in the same tier in terms of skill and general ability, Ozai just has youth and condition on his side since Iroh is much older and spent a lot more of his time being Zuko's parent. Dad bod is a very real thing for a very real reason, that's all I'm saying.
Ozai really wouldve been outta here without plot armor😂
Amazing video. Even though I didn't know this was an ongoing argument, I enjoyed every moment of it, and all my respect to OP for the work and for letting you adapt it! I guess I shouldn't be surprised that people want Iroh to be stronger than Ozai, but this change would miss half the point of their narrative and rivalry. Like half of the reason Ozai wanted to yank the throne from Iroh was because he felt he was not only more skilled, but a more dedicated student. And quite frankly he was right! He was also willing to go waaay further for power than Iroh ever would have and THAT'S THE POINT. He sought power to the extent that it cost him his humanity and neay cost his children the same. Iroh ALMOST went down that path, but his repentance is WHY we adore him.
ANYWAY with all that said, I love a good deep-dive & there are definitely points here I never even considered so. Amazing watch -- keep up the good work, both of you!
11:16 ATLA has Novelizations???? I've been an Avatar Fan since 6th grade and I feel so stupid for not knowing it had novels....
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Oooo I'll be sure to keep it in mind!
Oh btw just a question about the Book 3 Novel shown in the video, do you know where can I find them?
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question.
Here you go! www.amazon.com/Sozins-Comet-Final-Battle-Avatar/dp/1416958274/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3N9U30PSF9RAR&keywords=Avatar%3A+The+Last+Airbender+-+Sozin%27s+Comet%3A+The+Final+Battle&qid=1672630362&sprefix=%2Caps%2C299&sr=8-1
@@AntoineBandele Thank you so much!
Do you think Zuko is close to Ozai’s power in Smoke and Shadow? Zuko creates a fire tornado (by himself) and parts of the flames are purple (2552°F)
Based on his fights with Azula, no.
@@AntoineBandele valid
@Wes Bradley-Taubner holy shit dude. I see you on every video I watch. DC, Marvel, Star Wars, Avatar, etc. You are basically A Guy With A Mustache
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I watch DanCo
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I literally see you everywhere. Next time I see one of ur comments I’ll reply
Have you ever done Zaheer vs Ozai? Couple be an interesting matchup since both are some of the most skilled in their respective element, and both can essentially fly
Zaheer loses if Ozai hits him once with lightning during the comet or without, outside of that, Zaheer has good winning conditions outside of comet against just avg firebender Ozai because his flight is way impaired.
I definitely agree that in terms of lightning manipulation, redirecting lightning is probably the easiest to do. Creating and attacking with lightning requires the actual creation of the lightning itself, and then directing that lightning outwards. Redirecting is just taking in already present lightning and changing its direction.
the thing with redirection is it can kill you if you do it wrong
Exactly. It’s dangerous to play with. But it is not the same a generating lightning “from scratch.”
@@AntoineBandele Yeah but you need a foothold (or it´ll fail like Zuko showed when jumping to protect Katara) and to not bend anything else while redirecting it, meanwhile you can generate Lightning in flight with propelling as Ozai shown.
Redirecting is easier if you meet the right conditions, but Generating is better if you use it right.
One question I have tho is if ozai is stronger than Azula why aren’t his flames blue as well? Aren’t blue flames the pinnacle of fire bending?
It´s because Ozai is focusing on different things than Azula, Azula focuses on Quality and focused attacks with higher temperature, Ozai prefers long AoE attacks or attacks with more explosiveness, plus he always has lightning for focused attacks, it´s highly likely Azula´s bending abilities made her naturally more capable of using lightning at a young age, but Ozai has the full toolset of a Firebender, he uses fire for something entirely different than lightning, whereas Azula keeps the same quality and focused attacks on her blue flames as she would with her lightning, because of this while Azula is deadly Aang can still to some extent handle her attacks whereas Ozai´s a completely different monster entirely.
Glad to see that you have continued producing content since the Darth Maul video.
Imagine how busted Ozai would be learning combustion bending.
“ITS JUST DRAMA.” Every power scaler needs to here that
Yeah... and that's when I don't really get down with those type of debaters. When they take what happens on screen TOO literally.
@@AntoineBandele IKR. I like you mentioned Ozai’s creator comments, and people are still like, “No, Iroh.” Lol
I’d be interested in seeing old Fire Lord Zuko vs Iroh. With and without Zuko’s dragon.