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- Archbishop Lefebvre speaking about Sedevacantism and the crisis in the Church, in English, 1983.
I have enhanced and cleaned up the audio, as well as adding subtitles of his broken English.
Some will attempt to say Archbishop Lefebvre “was a Sedevacantist”, and yet he spoke many times on the error of Sedevacantism, and in very clear terms as can be heard in this video.
He repeatedly condemned the position, right up until his death and many writings can be found to support this.
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Sermons - Sermons in English - Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre - 02 Confirmations (May 10, 1983).
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Deo Gratias!
It would be great to be able to print this talk!! Thanks for all you do for the glory of GOD!
So IF he is truly not the pope can he be Judged? Can we not judge the others that claim to be pope? Can we judge their actions and/or their teachings. Are popes above the dogmas of The Church the dogmas that would excommunicate you or I?Can you be the head/leader of any group to which you do not belong? Can a former council judge a future pope?
I concede the fact that he is pope of the New Order Mason Sect
@@jamesvigil707 this video should help answer your questions: czcams.com/video/04oN_23onHs/video.html
@@_BattleForTruth Wow Over 2 hours and not one mention of the elephant in the room. The elephants name is Novus Ordo. The creation of a New order church or a Protestant church one that is in protest against the Catholic Church. Heretical utterances is one thing, changing the solemn and approved rites of The Church in altogether new ones is quite another. I will concede Francis is pope of The New Order Church but definitely not that of The Holy Roman Catholic Church.
If you can reconcile the following for me.
The Council of Trent
Seventh Session, First Decree and Canons
ON THE SACRAMENTS
Celebrated on the third day of the month of March, MDXLVII.
CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema.
If you have never had the faith than you can’t be a heretic, therefore who can say that the new order popes ever had the faith?
Great recording of Msgr Lefebvre, a true Saint !
RIP
I thank God for this great soldier of Christ. If not for the Traditional Latin Mass, I am certain I would be lukewarm in the faith. 💒
See my series "Catholics, 'Orthodox' and Protestants" are HERETICS.
@@scintillam_dei why would I listen to a heretic like you.
Excellent!! +Fr. Cekada said that +Acbp. Lefevre said of +Pope John Paul II, “ I cannot say that he is the pope and I cannot say that he is not the pope.” By this talk by the late Archbishop, he clearly holds that Pope John Paul II was the pope.
Thank you for this. I just received my copy of Abp. Lefebvre's "Letter to Confused Catholics"....can't wait to read it.
Thank you so much for uploading Archbishop Lafebvre sermon it is very enlightening truth in its fullness
Your channel just fell on my lap. Anything positive about the late Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX is always a good thing. I just subbed. God bless and may our Blessed Mother keep you and yours.
Ave Maria!!!
Thank you. God Bless 🙏🏼
Beautiful declaration of true fidelity. Thank you.
This the best explanation on this topic. God bless Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre
Fifty years later, the situation is, more or less, the same...
Thanks for your channel and hard and important work on sharing the truth about Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX.
I love these words. He has the Light of Christ in him.
St. Marcel Lefebvre!
@@drjanitor3747 “Does that mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved? No, it would be a second error to think that. Those who cry for intolerance in interpreting St. Cyprian's formula, “Outside the Church there is no salvation,” also reject the Creed, “I confess one baptism for the remission of sins,” and are insufficiently instructed as to what baptism is. There are three ways of receiving it: the baptism of water; the baptism of blood (that of the martyrs who confessed the faith while still catechumens) and baptism of desire.
Baptism of desire can be explicit. Many times in Africa I heard one of our catechumens say to me, “Father, baptize me straightaway because if I die before you come again, I shall go to hell.” I told him “No, if you have no mortal sin on your conscience and if you desire baptism, then you already have the grace in you.”
The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.
The ERROR consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion BUT NOT BY IT. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth.” - Archbishop Lefebvre, Open Letter to Confused Catholics, chpt 10. (My emphasis).
@@_BattleForTruth To say that a non-Catholic can be saved but not by being a non-Catholic as archbishop stated, is heresy. The Church defined that nobody is saved outside Her Mystical Body.
Archbishop Lefevbre denied that dogma as almost all prelates did in his era.
I believe Archbishop Lefebvre was a holy and pious prelate, so much so he will be canonized one day. He preserved the priesthood, and tried as he did steer Rome to act within reason and stay the course of tradition he was unable to on the latter. This sermon was given May 10, 1983, wherein later he started to speak in terms that sounded more like this.... “Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends. Rome is in apostasy. These are not words in the air. It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy… They have left the Church… This is sure, sure, sure.” (Retreat Conference, September 4, 1987, Ecône)
So how can one be Catholic in Communion with apostasy?
What shines through is the Archbishop's beautiful and child like faith ( we must become like little children to enter the Kingdom of Heaven). When ever I am tempted by sedevacantism, I listen to this.
Thank you! A message that is needed now. Please post more.
Amen! Merci beaucoup pour la défense de la foi; Monseigneur Lefebvre. Priez pour nous!
There remains a problem with the way the theology of the papacy evolved in the Church. Certainly we were taught unequivocally in the 50’s that the Holy Spirit would prevent the Pope from publicly teaching errors in Faith and Morals and circulating heresy in his encyclicals. Francis does this repeatedly. So one of two things must be true. Our understanding of the papacy was incorrect, or Francis is not the Pope.
Pope Saint Peter was martyred for refusing to say the Roman emperor was a god.
God Almighty destroyed the Temple of Solomon because Solomon defiled it by bringing his wives pagan idols before the alter.
Many Catholic priests were martyred in England because they wouldn't say the mass of King Henry VIII.
Yet, here we have Post Vatican II Popes saying false gods are valid gods. Pope John Paul II, popular with the press, kisses a Koran and Pope Francis and his wicked Pachamama idols dragged before the Alter of God in the Vatican itself. And a mass being said that according to the Council of Trent makes one an anathema to even claim it is a valid mass.
Watch this:
czcams.com/video/04oN_23onHs/video.html
God Bless.
The Pope has not taught heresy.
@@davidball7111 Communion for adulterers and notorious public sinners (implying denial of the State of Grace and its necessity for worthy reception, i. e., a Lutheran doctrine of salvation), religious indifferentism, enthroning pagan idols in the Basilica of St. Peter’s after watching them being worshipped, potentially undermining the hierarchical nature of the Church through Curial ‘reform’ - take your pick between heresies and apostasy.
There is no problem, Christ’s church is divine and the Holy Ghost has let us understand theology of the papacy correctly. Pope Francis is not a good pope. End of story, we must pray for him.
These times in Holy Mother Church are unprecedented: a false Church sits, like cuckoo's egg in the nest of the Vatican. Real Catholics must pray fervently for clarity and attend the Traditional Latin Mass.
Thank you for your work❤ I will reference you in my sharing (in my social media). Ave Christus Rex ⚜️✝️
He himself said "vatican II church is schizmatic church"
Yes, he did. He even denounced John Paul II. as an antipope with no authority whatsoever.
It is very true. The men who hijacked the Catholic hierarchy after Vatican II have radically seperated themselves from the Church's sacred tradition. Acknowledging that doesn't mean denying the legitimacy of the post conciliar popes' pontificate.
@@andang7005 Mental gymnastics
Simply based
Arcybiskup Marcel Lefebvre to PRAWDZIWY KATOLIK!!!!
Laudetur Iesus Christus.
Excellent
God bless bishop Lefevbre
Can i have your autorization to subtitle this to portuguese?
Yes, you can. Although, please try to be as accurate as possible since this is a delicate issue. Also, a referral to this channel would be appreciated. God Bless
This one of the best explanation of the truth of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre! It expels all the lies that was said about him & the FSSPX! This man is a Saint
Sim, por favor!
Interesting, good job.
if he was alive todaay, he would have a different opinion, for sure!
It would be interesting to know what the Abp would have made of Bergoglio who is poisoned by modernism and liberation theology...
Y cómo lo han calumniado, especialmente aquellos que debían ser caritativos!
Great insight
Instaurare omnia in Christo.
He waffled.
As Fr Jenkins (SSPV) said “I don’t say that he isn’t the Pope I just don’t see how he could be the Pope”.
So my question to “Trads” is can a heretic be the Pope? This wasn’t an easy question for Saints and it certainly isn’t an easy question for the Archbishop (All respect to him he’s a great man). A Pope can’t be a heretic and a heretic can’t be a Pope. So what’s the deal with Francis? We can argue that Francis NEVER held the true faith. Either he’s a snake or he doesn’t know the true Catholic Faith. Both are unacceptable for a Pope. If he never had the faith than he can’t be the Pope. If he knew the Faith and rejected it, am I still obliged to OBEY him? I hardly think so. I can’t even bring myself to call Francis a Catholic let alone the Vicar of Christ.
This video addresses the issue very well: czcams.com/video/04oN_23onHs/video.html
@@_BattleForTruth Thank you
This should silence the whole sede argument. This is perfect. God bless Archbishop Lefevre! Pray for us!
This must be from his time in negotiations with the modernist Vatican under JP2.
During the time of the modernist Paul 6 he was supportive of the sedes.
Archbishop Lefebvre, retreat at St. Michel en Brenne, April 1st, 1989:
Concerning the position of Archbishop Lefebvre on the "non una cum" sedevacantist error, after the Episcopal consecrations of 1988; here is an excerpt from a conference given by Archbishop Lefebvre during a retreat preached to the sisters of Saint-Michel en Brenne, France, on April 1st, 1989
“… And then, he [Dom Guillo] goes through all the prayers of the Canon, all the prayers of the Roman Canon. He goes through them one after the other and then he shows the difference, he gives translations, very good ones. He gives, for example, precisely this famous…you know, this famous una cum.., una cum of the sedevacantists. And you, do you say una cum? (laughter of the nuns of St-Michel en Brenne). You say una cum in the Canon of the Mass! Then we cannot pray with you; then you're not Catholic; you're not this; you're not that; you're not.. Ridiculous! ridiculous! because they claim that when we say una cum summo Pontifice, the Pope, isn’t it, with the Pope, so therefore you embrace everything the Pope says. It’s ridiculous! It’s ridiculous! In fact, this is not the meaning of the prayer. Te igitur clementissime Pater. This is the first prayer of the Canon. So here is how Dom Guillou translates it, a very accurate translation, indeed. "We therefore pray Thee with profound humility, most merciful Father, and we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ, Thy Son, Our Lord, to accept and to bless these gifts, these presents, these sacrifices, pure and without blemish, which we offer Thee firstly for Thy Holy Catholic Church. May it please Thee to give Her peace, to keep Her, to maintain Her in unity, and to govern Her throughout the earth, and with Her, Thy servant our Holy Father the Pope." It is not said in this prayer that we embrace all ideas that the Pope may have or all the things he may do. With Her, your servant our Holy Father the Pope, our Bishop and all those who practice the Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox faith! So to the extent where, perhaps, unfortunately, the Popes would no longer have ..., nor the bishops…, would be deficient in the Orthodox, Catholic and Apostolic Faith, well, we are not in union with them, we are not with them, of course. We pray for the Pope and all those who practice the Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox faith!
Then he [Dom Guillou] had a note about that to clarify a little: "In the official translation, based on a critical review of Dom Batte, the UNA CUM or "in union with" of the sedevacantists of any shade is no longer equivalent but to the conjunction "and " reinforced either by the need to restate the sentence, or to match the solemn style of the Roman canon. Anyway, every Catholic is always in union with the Pope in the precise area where the divine assistance is exercised, infallibility confirmed by the fact that as soon as there is a deviation from the dogmatic tradition, the papal discourse contradicts itself.
Let us collect the chaff, knowing that for the rest, it is more necessary than ever to ask God, with the very ancient Major Litanies, that be "kept in the holy religion" the "holy orders" and "Apostolic Lord" himself (that is to say the Pope): UT DOMINUM APOSTOLICUM AND OMNES ECCLESIASTICOS ORDINES INSANCTA RELIGIONE CONSERVARE DIGNERIS, TE ROGAMUS, AUDI NOS."
It is a request of the litanies of the Saints, right? We ask to keep the Pope in the true religion.. We ask that in the Litanies of the Saints! This proves that sometimes it can happen that unfortunately, well, maybe sometimes it happens that... well there have been hesitations, there are false steps, there are errors that are possible. We have too easily believed since Vatican I, that every word that comes from the mouth of the Pope is infallible. That was never said in Vatican I! The Council never said such a thing. Very specific conditions are required for the infallibility; very, very strict conditions. The best proof is that throughout the Council, Pope Paul VI himself said "There is nothing in this Council which is under the sign of infallibility". So, it is clear, he says it himself! He said it explicitly.
Then we must not keep this idea which is false! which a number of Catholics, poorly instructed, poorly taught, believe! So obviously, we no longer understand anything, we are completely desperate, we do not know what to expect! We must keep the Catholic faith as the Church teaches it."
It is so great to hear the founder of the SSPX speaking so unequivocally on what it means to be Catholic!!! He obviously speaks of The Council of Trent Church and NOT the Vatican II/Novus Ordo poor imitation church.
In so doing, AB Lefebvre makes the point that I, myself, continuously try to make...THAT CHURCH IS NOT CATHOLIC!!!
I am quite thrilled to have found these You Tube episodes and hear what can only be called "the Primitive Rule" that the SSPX was founded upon. I would like to know more about "Battle For Truth". Are you part of the SSPX? Are you a lay group. Are you trying to get the SSPX to return to the Primitive Rule by quoting AB Lefebvre to them? If so, we are certainly kindred spirits as I, in emails to Father Pagliarani am doing likewise with Scripture and current events to have the SSPX take their rightful place as the only remaining true Remnant of the Council of Trent Church and therefore the only "visible" Catholic Church left. They are the Remnant priests of 3Kings 19:18, a part of the 7000 men that God described to Elias: "and I will leave Me seven thousand men in Israel," (the True Israel of God) "whose knees have not been bowed before Baal, and every mouth that hath not worshipped him" (Baal) "kissing the hands." ...
THE REMNANT OF GOD.
Please send me information about yourself. What you are doing matches up very well with what we are trying to accomplish for God.
Your Brothers and Sisters in the Remnant Church
This man should DEFINITELY BE A SAINT of the Catholic Church! 🙏. .. he probably us Already!! 🙏
I think you'll still know me, we know each other from Instagram (militia immaculata). I appreciate your zeal for the faith, but sedevacantism is the only way out of your misery. The Abp. was a pious and maybe even a saintly bishop, but he wasn't the grea theologian and that he didn't come to the conclusion of sedevacantism, is no proof at all for the "R&R" position. You are following tradition, definitely, but not catholic tradition, because it's not the sspx which is the guardian of tradition, but THE POPE. And if the apostate Bergoglio is your pope, why don't you obey "Traditionis custodes"?
[...]" if the pope is not very strong in the faith" THATS HERESY!!!! Our Lord said: "I will pray for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail"
The See of Rome is vacant! The sedevacantism is not heresy
Archbishop Lefebvre’s english in this video isn’t sufficient to portray what he means in detail. He was very good theologically and doctrinally, but would of course be much better understood in his mother tongue. There are English translations of some of his writings on Sedevacantism which would explain the situation in more detail.
If John XXIII onward weren't Popes, then where were your bishops ? Where were sede bishops at the time ? And how God could permit that ALL bishops fall into heresy ?
Popes Leo XII and Leo XIII recalled schismatics of Petite Eglise that no bishop approved their stand against the Pope, it was clear proof that they were not the true Church.
"Let them not rely on the upright quality of their conduct, not on their fidelity to discipline, not on their zeal in safeguarding teaching and stability in religion. Does not the Apostle say plainly that without charity all this profiteth nothing? (Cf Cor. 13:3) There is not a single bishop who considers them to be or who governs them as his flock. From this the evidence is plain: they may conclude with certainty that they are fugitives from the flock of Christ."
- Pope Leo XIII, Eximia Nos Laetitia.
"4. How can the Church be your mother if you do not have the pastors of the Church, that is, the Bishops, as fathers ? [...] The Catholic Church is one, it is not torn or divided; therefore your "Little Church" [Petite Eglise] cannot have any connection with the Catholic Church. According to your so-called teachers, or rather your deceivers, there is none of the Gallican bishops left to defend you and take your side; indeed it is known that all the Bishops of the Catholic world, to whom they appealed, and for whom they wrote and printed their schismatic protests, approve the aforementioned conventions and subsequent acts of Pius VII, to which the whole Catholic Church is in favor. What then? Do not those who dare to accuse it or of pretense, or ignorance, or error, wage an open war against the Catholic Church, and do not claim to have already won it? Yet the authors of the rebellion are so foolish as to dare to make such impudent accusations at her. They proclaim that the Church, which is against them and keeps in communion with this Holy See, must be pointed out as a simulator, or deceived, or wandering; they furiously rail against it as a schismatic."
- Pope Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni (translated from Italian)
Gregory XVI teaches that the Church cannot err (as it would be if Vatican II would be false), hence if all the bishops of the Teaching Church recognizes someone as Pope, this is a guarantee that he is pope ; or if all bishops recognizes a council as oecumenical and legitimate, it is certainly.
"To use the words of the fathers of Trent, it is certain that the Church “was instructed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles and that all truth was daily taught it by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.”[12] Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain “restoration and regeneration” for her as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune."
- Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, 10
Even more, Pope Pius VI condemns this :
"2601 Dz 1501 1. The proposition, which asserts "that in these later times there has been spread a general obscuring of the more important truths pertaining to religion, which are the basis of faith and of the moral teachings of Jesus Christ,"-- heretical."
Then it is impossible for all bishops to fall into error.
"For the Catholic Church has always regarded as schismatic those who obstinately oppose the lawful prelates of the Church and in particular, the chief shepherd of all." -Pope Pius IX, Quartus Supra
+JMJ+ Pray for us pillar of strength and courage! St. Lefebvre
He is not a venerated saint
Vade retro Satán, Lingua vestra dolosa est!!
Of course! At that time there was no Bergoglio imposed on Peter's chair!
Lol if so, then you have to accept what Francis says and you can’t call him heretic or condemn him
That would be the job of Francis' confessor. You know, the whole thing about Pope's being subject to the same rules when they go to confession. That would include the withholding of absolution if the confessor felt it was justified.
Correct. That’s up to a council and those in authority, not laypeople.
@@teddyspaghetti9566 .. it would be the most miserable
condition of the Church, if she were
compelled to recognize a wolf,
manifestly prowling, for a shepherd."
- St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice,
Book 2, Chap. 30. "For that reason [Popes] Celestine and
Nicholas, in the passages cited, say that
a heretical bishop, **from the time he began
to preach heresies**, was not able to loose
or bind anyone...
- St. Robert Bellarmine, De Ecclesia Militante,
Chap. 10. "Nevertheless, lest the sentence of him who had
already called down a divine sentence upon himself
should appear to have force even for a time, the
authority of Our Apostolic See has openly ordained
that no bishop, cleric, or Christian of any profession,
who were deposed from their position or from
communion by Nestorius and those of his ilk **from the
time [ex quo] they began to preach heresy,** is to be
seen as either deposed or excommunicated. But all
these have been and until now remain in Our
communion, because he who stumbled in preaching
**such things was not able to depose or remove anyone."**
- Pope St. Celestine I, To The Clergy And People Of
Constantinople, AD 430 Il
.. a **manifestly heretical Pope automatically
ceases to be the Pope and the head just as
he automatically ceases to be a Christian**
and a member of the body of the Church,
and that for this reason he may be judged
and punished by the Church. This is the
judgment of all the ancient Fathers, who
teach that manifest heretics immediately
lose all jurisdiction...
- St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice,
Book 2, Chap. 30
@@Alvarezsnwl No one of those passages say a lay person can judge a pope. I specifically said that its up to the Church, just like Bellairmine agrees.
@@teddyspaghetti9566
.. a manifestly heretical Pope automatically
ceases to be the Pope and the head just as
he automatically ceases to be a Christian
and a member of the body of the Church,
and that for this reason he may be judged
and punished by the Church. This is the
judgment of all the ancient Fathers, who
teach that manifest heretics immediately
lose all jurisdiction...
- St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice,
Book 2, Chap. 30 “a manifestly heretical pope AUTOMATICALLY ceases to be the pope and a Christian lol. Father Meckenzi in his work proved that there are 2 kinds of notoriety. NOTORIOUS IN LAW - Refers to when a
sentence has been passed by a canonical
judge or the offender has confessed in
court (i.e. a declaration/process).
NOTORIOUS IN FACT - No declaration or
process required. "All sentenced heretics are notorious at
least with notoriety of law. Some simple
heretics and some heretics who join a
non-Catholic sect may be notorious in fact,
but the rest, representing perhaps the
ordinary case, will be only occult
delinquents."
- Rev. Eric F. Mackenzie, The Delict Of Heresy,
Catholic University of America, Imprimatur 1932, p. 45 he says that notorious by fact is excommunicated without any juridical judgment. "If the delict of heresy had been notorious,
either in fact or by judicial process, there is
less opportunity of applying this canon."
THe CAHOLIC UNIVERSITY OP AMERICA
WASHINGTON. D. C
MCMXXXII
- Rev. Eric F. Mackenzie, The Delict Of Heresy,
Catholic University of America, Imprimatur 1932, p. 111. St. Alphonsus
Liguori,
"If ever a pope, as a private person, should
fall into heresy, he would at once fall from the
pontificate.
(See Verita della Fede,. Pt. Ill, Ch.
VIlI, 9-10). St. Francis De Sales (17th century),
Doctor of the Church, The Catholic
Controversy, pp. 305-306: "Now
when he the Pope is explicitly a
heretic, he falls ipso facto from his
dignity and out of the Church..
I'd point out several facts
1. Archbishop Lefevbre hesitated to accept sedevacantist position. He was not strictly opposed.
2. He would be propably a sedevacantist himself, had he lived today
3. Nevertheless, he denied, sadly, salvation dogma.
4. If Francis is pope, SSPX is in schism, for they reject the bishops under a man they regard as pope. That is to reject the organization which is led by a pope, that is to reject the Church' hiearchy.
5. Sedevacantist position is true. People has to see what's happening. If anyone thinks that notorious idolater John Paul II., or Francis were the popes, he has a little faith in God.
"We must pray and do all that is possible to convert all men! The Muslims, Buddhists, Protestants, that they become Catholic! Why do we become missionaries if all religions are good and lead men to Heaven? Why become missionaries?"
- Abp. Marcel Lefebvre
He didn’t deny salvation dogma.
@@cardboardcapeii4286 He sadly did, although he tried to cover his heresy. He taught that a non-catholic can be saved - through Catholic Church, he believed. That is heretical, for the Church dogmatically declared that you have to be part of Her and have the catholic faith in order to be saved (+ baptized). A Muslim (etc.) cannot be saved as long as he rejects the catholic faith.
Read his „Against heresies“.
@@larrygraysmith8411 yeah but it looks like he changed his mind from the above quote
@@cardboardcapeii4286 Whence is that quote taken?
@@larrygraysmith8411 read in full:
“Does that mean that no Protestant, no Muslim, no Buddhist or animist will be saved? No, it would be a second error to think that. Those who cry for intolerance in interpreting St. Cyprian's formula, “Outside the Church there is no salvation,” also reject the Creed, “I confess one baptism for the remission of sins,” and are insufficiently instructed as to what baptism is. There are three ways of receiving it: the baptism of water; the baptism of blood (that of the martyrs who confessed the faith while still catechumens) and baptism of desire.
Baptism of desire can be explicit. Many times in Africa I heard one of our catechumens say to me, “Father, baptize me straightaway because if I die before you come again, I shall go to hell.” I told him “No, if you have no mortal sin on your conscience and if you desire baptism, then you already have the grace in you.”
The doctrine of the Church also recognizes implicit baptism of desire. This consists in doing the will of God. God knows all men and He knows that amongst Protestants, Muslims, Buddhists and in the whole of humanity there are men of good will. They receive the grace of baptism without knowing it, but in an effective way. In this way they become part of the Church.
The ERROR consists in thinking that they are saved by their religion. They are saved in their religion BUT NOT BY IT. There is no Buddhist church in heaven, no Protestant church. This is perhaps hard to accept, but it is the truth. I did not found the Church, but rather Our Lord the Son of God. As priests we must state the truth.” - Archbishop Lefebvre, Open Letter to Confused Catholics, chpt 10. (My emphasis)
with all love and respect. Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces” (Matthew 7:6). praying for the heretical Pope is like giving what is holy to the dogs.
i respect the sspx they are people of Good will but the Catholic church is tradition, we must reject modernist all together, and not have 2 sects traditionalist and novous ordo, but God's will is at work and who am i to give an opinion, glory to him may his will be our command. yes i reject pope Francis as a pope and if that's a sin forgive me my lord by i am jealous for you, and if saint Nicolas was alive today he would have punched him in the face, as well.
God bless you all. God bless you sister.
He slapped not punched
2 thessalonians 2;7. For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way.(that happened in 1958. look up withsmoke1958) the true Pope was taken out of the way.
This is sspx and like groups?
Apocalypse 17;16-17 and the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and shall burn her with fire
For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.
And when you see sspx join the novus bogus church remember this
Apocalypse 18;4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.
Become a sedevacantist. It's the only catholic position. Lafever would be by now.
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Mas "aceitar o papa e resistir à ele" não nos levaria a uma espécie de ''Galicanismo''? Ouvi esse argumento vindo de um sedevacantista outro dia...
Seems SSPX live the life and words of sedes…but on paper they are in communion with their TRUE pope that they hate and ignore. They are IN FACT in communion with the NO they claim is so bad…but by ignoring their actions and inactions, that make them non-Catholic, seems to be the exact excuse they use, to continue to be Catholic.
The statement you made is very inaccurate and unsubstantiated.
In the early days of the SSPX there was no issue with Sede, but after JP2 took office and embraced (bear hugged) ArchBishop Lefebvre, he softened his tone and began to work them them.
what to do if this pope outlaws the latin Mass? what if we are forced to accept heresies? at what point is our salvation lost by following heresies in obedience to the pope? we are sliding quickly.. this is something we need to grapple iwth. The Archbishop did not get to see some of the things now happening.
It doesn’t mean we ought to follow everything he does. We can resist his erroneous commands. Obedience to God comes first.
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God Bless.
@@_BattleForTruth you don't resist the pope, St. Thomas Aquinas talked about resisting a bad bishop, but you can't resist the pope...
Sede Vacante 1958. Tesis de Cassiciacum.
If John XXIII onward weren't Popes, then where were your bishops ? Where were sede bishops at the time ? And how God could permit that ALL bishops fall into heresy ?
Popes Leo XII and Leo XIII recalled schismatics of Petite Eglise that no bishop approved their stand against the Pope, it was clear proof that they were not the true Church.
"Let them not rely on the upright quality of their conduct, not on their fidelity to discipline, not on their zeal in safeguarding teaching and stability in religion. Does not the Apostle say plainly that without charity all this profiteth nothing? (Cf Cor. 13:3) There is not a single bishop who considers them to be or who governs them as his flock. From this the evidence is plain: they may conclude with certainty that they are fugitives from the flock of Christ."
- Pope Leo XIII, Eximia Nos Laetitia.
"4. How can the Church be your mother if you do not have the pastors of the Church, that is, the Bishops, as fathers ? [...] The Catholic Church is one, it is not torn or divided; therefore your "Little Church" [Petite Eglise] cannot have any connection with the Catholic Church. According to your so-called teachers, or rather your deceivers, there is none of the Gallican bishops left to defend you and take your side; indeed it is known that all the Bishops of the Catholic world, to whom they appealed, and for whom they wrote and printed their schismatic protests, approve the aforementioned conventions and subsequent acts of Pius VII, to which the whole Catholic Church is in favor. What then? Do not those who dare to accuse it or of pretense, or ignorance, or error, wage an open war against the Catholic Church, and do not claim to have already won it? Yet the authors of the rebellion are so foolish as to dare to make such impudent accusations at her. They proclaim that the Church, which is against them and keeps in communion with this Holy See, must be pointed out as a simulator, or deceived, or wandering; they furiously rail against it as a schismatic."
- Pope Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni (translated from Italian)
Gregory XVI teaches that the Church cannot err (as it would be if Vatican II would be false), hence if all the bishops of the Teaching Church recognizes someone as Pope, this is a guarantee that he is pope ; or if all bishops recognizes a council as oecumenical and legitimate, it is certainly.
"To use the words of the fathers of Trent, it is certain that the Church “was instructed by Jesus Christ and His Apostles and that all truth was daily taught it by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.”[12] Therefore, it is obviously absurd and injurious to propose a certain “restoration and regeneration” for her as though necessary for her safety and growth, as if she could be considered subject to defect or obscuration or other misfortune."
- Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos, 10
Even more, Pope Pius VI condemns this :
"2601 Dz 1501 1. The proposition, which asserts "that in these later times there has been spread a general obscuring of the more important truths pertaining to religion, which are the basis of faith and of the moral teachings of Jesus Christ,"-- heretical."
Then it is impossible for all bishops to fall into error.
"For the Catholic Church has always regarded as schismatic those who obstinately oppose the lawful prelates of the Church and in particular, the chief shepherd of all." -Pope Pius IX, Quartus Supra
@@fidefidelis4460 Do you follow SSPX?
@@larrygraysmith8411 no
@@fidefidelis4460 okay
Well, if you think that someone as John Paul II. or Paul VI. were popes, you really don't have faith in Christ (in the case you know what they're doing)
If the Popes after Pope Pius XII are true Popes, then Archbishop Lefebvre acted wrongly and was justifiably excommunicated and none of those he ordained were true priests or bishops. Here he seems to repent of his disobedience to what he now says is a true and valid Pope.
If the Popes after Pope Pius XII are false Popes, then he was correct in the ordinations but wrong in removing priests in the SSPX who said an anathama per the council of Trent and those who are cursed by Pope Leo XIII for changing the Holy Mass are the vicars of Christ. Pretty sure the Holy Ghost would not allow an anathema to become the Vicar of Christ.
The ordinations would still be valid. To say otherwise is to become a follower of Donatus. The Catholic church has always recognised the validity of the "Orthodox" communion ordinations despite the fact they have been in schism 1054.
Sede speds are seething rn
In one your videos, AML said, “If NN is a Freemason, he is not eligible to be pope.” J23 Paul6 are known FMs
This recording is later than the Minneapolis lecture you’re referring to. As late as 1989, he called the “non una cum” “ridiculous!”. Nevertheless, Archbishop Lefebvre was always very prudent about this issue.
The poor Archbishop was wrong here, to justify his R&R position imo. He destroyed the Catholic concept of the papacy. For what is the purpose of having a pope if it is not the principle of unity of doctrine and Catholics can disobey him??? Sorry, Monseigneur, Bergoglio is not my pope!
You are suffering from extreme legalistic and also mythical thinking. Popes can err. Infallibility does not apply
Question... Why does an Italian person sound like a French person 🤔
Archbishop Lefebvre is French not Italian...
it doesnt sound like archbishop lebfevre
It is him. I have other videos where you can see him speaking.
The problem with them, they don't have authority. So they can do anything they want according to their knowledge. The authority was given by the holy ghost. They are divided to many groups because of pride and because there is no holy spirit to guide them.
I believe if archbishop Lefebvre be still alive today, he would have a different opinion.
You don't know that
Oh my gosh. But Archbishop, Jorge isn’t weak, he’s a heretic! Paul was weak! John Paul II was too accommodating of the world. Benedict was surrounded by and fled from the wolves. Jorge is something totally different. Pray for us!
CANON XIII.-If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones; let him be anathema.
Potępianie herezji posoborowych a uznawanie naczelnych herezjarchów jest zgorszeniem.
Zgorszeniem jest proklamowana duchowa łączność podczas Mszy Świętej z heretykiem bergoglio !
If this is the best that France could give, let her let her perish as Leo XIII said : "France will return to the traditions of Saint Louis, or she will perish in shame and ruin."
Shame on Marcel Lefebvre ! He was realy excommunicated and schismatic for his consecrations without papal mandate when he believed that Wojtyla was Pope, this is condemned by Pius XII in his encyclical Ad apostolorum. The penalty is automatic excommunication :
"47. From what We have said, it follows that no authority whatsoever, save that which is proper to the Supreme Pastor, can render void the canonical appointment granted to any bishop; that no person or group, whether of priests or of laymen, can claim the right of nominating bishops; that no one can lawfully confer episcopal consecration unless he has received the mandate of the Apostolic See.[18]
48. Consequently, if consecration of this kind is being done contrary to all right and law, and by this crime the unity of the Church is being seriously attacked, an excommunication reserved specialissimo modo to the Apostolic See has been established which is automatically incurred by the consecrator and by anyone who has received consecration irresponsibly conferred.[19]"
What do you make of Pope JPII as a Cardinal defying the written and explicit instructions of Paul VI to NOT consecrate new bishops yet he did anyway? OnePeterFive has a brilliant article on this.
@@SantosdeMuerte They're not catholics, so how could this prove anything ? Abp. Lefebvre failed to proclaim that they're not the Church. Fr. Barbara already explained this very well in "Écône, point final" published in 1982.
@@kristouba1512 so in other words you completely ignored my question. If what Lefebvre did was wrong how do you reconcile what JPII did as a Cardinal?
@@SantosdeMuerte We don't give a damn about Wojtyla, this antichrist pretending to be Pope. Sede vacante, do you get it now...?
@@kristouba1512 if you’re sedevacantist why do you care what he does not listening to the pope?
He’s definitely pope of the New Order