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- Was Cleopatra black? Was Socrates? Did Egyptian armies conquer ancient Greece, thus setting the cradle of Western civilization in motion? Is this wishful thinking on the part of historical revisionists...or is it a long-suppressed historical fact?
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He clearly made his voice sound a little more gruff for Gimli. But his natural voice is just close enough that this is basically storytime with Gimli lol.
Awesome! Class time with the infamous Prof. Maximillian Arturo!
Great film thanks. Subbed and belled
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This channel is gold
Ty more gold, I like kings and generals as well basically anything history I'm all over
... You had me at " Egypt" ....
This channel just keeps giving us solid documentary after another
Seriously! I am finding CZcams to be the place for great historical documentaries. Who needs cable!
Let's join Gimli to explore this interesting question!
As a Greek I say yes, not only were we influenced by Egypt, large part of our genetics came from Egypt.
its funny how hard they are trying to fins differences as opposed to what they had in common
That's the good thing, there's no civilization that just popped up and started blasting. Everyone influences the others, that's the interesting part
THe Greeks said, not what we say, that all their knowledge, they got it from Africa. Tell me who is influencing who?
Bro it was Egypt đ but keep on capping
Great show. Love to see Gimli giving history lessons
You can lead a horse to water but you canât make it drink.
Why must it be all or nothing? These were seafaring people. It is quite believable that they traded influences.
Only one side was seafaring. Egypt had no ocean-capable craft technology until after the Persians came through. They were a river nation. Greece, and its forebears, on the other hand...
@Ghost Ghost in many respects they did copy the Phoenicians. But Greece, just like it's Cretan predecessors, was a seafaring nation as quickly as possible. You would not be able to get around the Aegean without doing so. Hell, you couldn't be on Crete without doing so.
Because people like simple lines of reasoning. Therefore they push a theory based on the old old diffusionist model. This concept of Egyptian culture as the center then radiating out goes back to the 50s and continued up through the early 70s when I first started studying archaeology. Holes in the theory started popping up when in 1974 there was a refinement in the C-14 Radiocarbon technique when it was shown there were multiple origins of civilizations occurring not only at the same time but in some cases earlier than Egypt.
@Ghost Ghost man you should really open some books and read before write against BS
@Ghost Ghost Wow too much crap in just one post
As far as George GM James.
1. Has anyone ever heard any Egyptologist supporting the Stolen Legacy info of George GM James? If the Greeks stole their philosophy from Egypt then most Egyptologist would be pointing this out.
2. A big thing James teaches is that the stolen legacy starts with Aristotle looting the library at Alexandria. This is how James says the Greeks got a lot of Egyptian knowledge. The problem with that is that the library at Alexandria wasn't completed until after Aristotle had died.
đ€is that the guy from sliders?
I find the headline rather suspect considering the volumes of evidence left by the Greek scholars who came into contact with the Egyptians themselves
Odyssey might bother to include the original broadcast date. Lol
Egypt was not always a totalitarian regime ruled by a pharaoh.
Yeah they said it !
Wait... this is controversial?
I had always taken for granted that Ancient Greece was at least partly influenced by Egypt through trade, immigration and good olâ cultural diffusion. How else do you end up with two cities named Thebes??đ
Other way around man. Thebes is a Greek name. The Macedonian Greeks conquered Egypt under Alexander and named these cities that after the ones in Greece.
@@Sea_ss ah. Good to know!
I donât think itâs controversial these days, but this doco looks like itâs from the 90âs
@@Sea_ss uh no definitely not, the Egyptian city of Thebes is far older than Alexander, its not even close
@Gunk Wretch thank you! I was going to point that out too.
How could it not be? If you see how the Etruscans and Greeks influenced the Romans, why would the Middle Eastern civilizations not influence the Greeks?
@TRUTH CENSORED OK, and there were no pyramids in Persia. So?
Kmt was not "Middle Eastern". That didn't exist until the 1900s.
Kmet/Egypt was and always has been in Africa
Of course, the Greeks were influenced by Egypt. They were also influenced by the Phoenicians. All cultures influence each other as time progresses, but then they take those past legacies, synthesize them, and forge ahead, creating their own more advanced versions. We are the culmination of this dynamic process that charts the progress of human civilization. Claiming one culture is "dependent" on another is as narrow-minded and bigoted as any other. And also presentist.
Yes!..its the curse of gettin "too big". They want to own "it ALL"...but cant handle it and end up like mickey rooney in twilight zone...IM TOO BIG NOW !!
lol
you are missing the point. greece is regularly credited with inventing the architectural column, for example. egypt invented it. it's not just about "influence," it's about accuracy and racist versions of history.
Wrong. No claim Greeks invented it. Just vastly improved, expanded on. The point about dialectical history. Something presentist racialists never understand.
@@r.k.9869 Nobody, especially no Greek claims to have created the Architectural Column...that is absurd to say the least!
What Greeks are credited for are creating the Classical Orders of Columns such as the Doric, Ionic, & Corinthian Styles..
Please stop spreading Propaganda!
I agree
Not just Egypt. The levant and mesopotamia indirectly via the levant.
Could any of those Greeks read Egyptian hieroglyphs? I've heard that they couldn't. If they couldn't read Egyptian hieroglyphs then doesn't that make it less likely that the Greeks did all of this studying in Egypt?
Archeology series originally broadcast on TheLearningChannel
Why did Alexander the Great establish his library in the capitol of Egypt? How and why was there an indisputable meeting of the minds in Alexandria? What led up to that? Alexander did not build his intellectual monument to his teacher, Aristotle, in Athens or Macedonia.
A history documentary about Egypt and Greece narrated by John Rhys-Davies?? SIGN ME UP
20:14 = prophetic words.
When it comes to Egypt, everything we know seems to be Greek. Cleopatra was Greek who married a Roman Julius Caesar & they had a baby boy Caesarean who was cut from her womb at birth. Thus Caesarean Births. The word Pyramid is Greek meaning " (PYR) Fire In The Middle (AMID)". An amazing convertion from the original and correct name of the structure being PER NETER...meaning House of Power & over time PerNeter became the word "Nature" (House of Nature)" and therefore points to the massive energy produced by the Great Pyramid once we recognise it as being THE PRIME MERIDIAN (zero east/west) which when applied to all ancient cities or ports brings them to precise degrees of PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOX Earths backwards wobble at one degree every 72 years. Easter island (originally named Te Pito O Tuhenua means the centre of the earth - at 2 degrees which equals 144 degrees west of the Grt Pyramid. From here its gets simply amazing. I suggest you read "The Atlantis Blueprint" Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson. That will wake you up.
All bullshit they whited Egypt out ..where is this culture at now...
All of that is very late Egypt, there were 3 other Egyptian dynasties before that time, and a long time of pre-dynastic Egypt.
Egyptian civilization was once a dark skinned (not olive) civilization, all the evidence etched on the walls and stones are there, the problem is some people are just too racist or too blind to see it, You'll look at the sphinx and you'll tell me that it is not an African face? One thing for sure, my ancestors migrated from north-east Africa(so called middle east) to west Africa.
I mean its debatable even to this day, what's for certain is the Nubian dynasty and its success but does that make all Egyptian sub saharan? No, and to be honest that's what it feels like you are trying to claim, and there is and was a distinct racial difference between nubians and there northern counterparts and that is depicted also, I know there has been allot of misconception of Egyptian dynastys but the we have a pretty good understanding now but when people claim all Egypt was "black" to the point where they've cast one of the worlds most famous Hellenic woman Cleopatra as black it's seems the narrative has gone way too far
â@@BevtoneI don't think anyone should say they were all Black because Egypt was like America is today, a melting pot of diversity. Most are just claiming that the foundation & older Dynasties before foreign contact was Sub-Saharan. Like the original comment said, Africans migrated from East to West, so it's highly probable that original Ancient Egyptians were definitely dark-skinned Africans like most other Africans. Even if they weren't they still just weren't Arabian or European, & most (sane) people accept that. If human life as we know it started in the Heart of Africa, it's highly unlikely that Egyptians were some different race. Other races lived there yes, but just like everyone knows America was Native American land until European contact, Egypt was African land until European/Asiatic contact.
@@Bevtone This is what the Greeks and history said, no one is making a false claim here. The people of Ancient Egyptian civilization wrote on the papyrus of Hunefer (google it if you don't know) that they (people of Khemet) came from the beginning of the Nile where god Hapi duels at the foot hill of the mountain of the moon...that being Kilimanjaro located in inner Africa. A copy of that Papyrus can be found in the library of Syracuse University in New York
Ramses III DNA has been tested and he was proven to be E1B1A. That's an African haplogroup. He was a king that came before the 25 Nubian dynasty.
Who are the sub-saharan that you are refering to? That was european construct in the eighteenth century. Most major groups from west Africa including my ancestors has their origin in north-east Africa, The last migration to the south was caused by the scourge of islam.
@@GloBoyLoLo In the begining Egypt was not like America. These are the images of real Egyptians befor the whitewashing, chisling and painting-over:
drive.google.com/file/d/17ZBJAq9U9IEKMx3uuMGf6A4eB0FQLYj1/view?usp=sharing
drive.google.com/file/d/1aqAhNXaDSS5AqDEqU2SxO03mjdIzVs68/view?usp=sharing
drive.google.com/file/d/1ViYwQXWQFEl-HLckHNrogR0T6hRPoW2K/view?usp=sharing
drive.google.com/file/d/1RoadS1_NqkKdQg50v3vNTKvNnRIe3iU6/view?usp=sharing
Just follow the language and you will find out who ruled where and when!!
This doc was made before the pyramids were built.
Yes
Too nice video about two civilisation Egyptians and Greeks .depending on one type or (column proving) to said Greek was daughter of Egypt I think its wrong evaluation .only exchanging effects between two civilisation recurrences is whole matter..thanks for sending
pavarotti teaching me history, cool
Whenever I've done research on ancient greece the term "made advancements in" is used to describe their accomplishments never that they invented everything. Being influenced by a culture should not diminish the accomplishments and the advancements made by a culture through that initial influence.
Exactly, look at Rome, invented very little but perfected much.
I agree although I must point out that whenever the subject of Black inventors are being discussed, the exact thing is utilized against their inventions.
@@DLewis-kt9ok What do you mean?
Itâs a slippery slope admitting Greece was a clone of Egypt because the Romans copied the Greeks. Romans are the forefathers of civilization. So this would mean the Romans were really the copiers of Ancient Egypt or Africans. Which makes them look bad. It makes Europe and European civilization look bad. And we wouldnât want European culture and civilization to look bad. Noticed the archeologist that both oppose him are Americans. One of the most bigoted nations and a nation that was built upon the subjugation of descents of Africans. Can we get the opinions from archeologists from other nations outside of America? Possibly other British archeologists?
@@SonnyWest87 Just a damn shame ooga boogas had to be sold into slavery by Chief Ooga Boogas. One of the most disgusting things, selling your kinsmen for trinkets.
My opinion is that it was a correlation between greece, egypt, western asia and etruscans.
Check the Rosetta Stone how they deciphered it
At 20:00
As far as whether or not ancient Egyptians would have been denied a cup of coffee in Mississippi in the 1950s. Many North Africans who aren't black would have been denied a cup of coffee in Mississippi in the 1950s. Many Berbers would have faced discrimination in Mississippi back then. Many Chinese would have been denied a cup of coffee in Mississippi also during the 50s. So just because some people would have been denied coffee in Mississippi doesn't mean they were black.
Hell, many Europeans would have been denied that cup in 1950's Mississipi... Russians, Jews...
Bro Egyptians come from East Africa. They are of African decent this is why he said that. Stop reaching. He chose Mississippi for a reason. They didnât like Africans there (Africans or African Americans) and Egyptians were African people. The continent is the hottest in the world it produces dark skin humans with African traits (it literally helped the Egyptians survive in the DESERT)
@@studiometaart1974
Why does the Egyptian population look similar to the people of other North African countries?
Maybe North Africa has always had the type of people we see today in Egypt and Morocco.
@@CrowdPleeza incorrect. The human race came into existence in East Africa and gradually took the Nile downward into the Middle East and the rest of the world. Africans also left through the Horn and Iberian Peninsula. There were literally 0 human beings before us. Caucasians did not beat Africans to a section of Africa that literally makes no sense. The Egyptians themselves say their ancestors come from Punt (East Africa).
The reason North Africans look Caucasian is because there was a slave trade of Europeans in the region that lasted thousands of years. This slave trade was conducted by the **more advanced** African and Middle Eastern civilizations. This is why you can find a white (âtanâ) chick with brown hair and blue eyes in the middle of a DESERT.
Secondly the coastline and the base of mountain region would be favorable due to access of water and streams and cooler climates; obviously those are the places people will go to war for. So **non African peopleâ invaded the coastline and the mountain regions and secured advantageous historical communities that expanded their kingdoms/empires influence and power. So this is why there are non Africans in the coastline of Africa and not black people.
Thirdly: The Sahara wasnât a desert wall just 7,000 years ago. In fact that region was a Savana. So black Africans were able to move up and down the continent especially in East Africa where the Nile was a one shot North (it literally flows North bro u literally canât miss it). The worsening desertification of North Africa split is into two genetic groups (E1B1a) those who went West Africa and Central (Nubians Primarily) and E1B1b those who remained in the coastline and integrated with gradually increasing foreign population ex: Coptic Egyptians.
Egypt and North Africa was largely destroyed with the destruction of Egypt by the Assyrians in the 25th dynasty as it was written by the prophet Isiah. This same thing is also prophesied by Egyptian God of wisdom Thoth. I have the quote from Thoth, itâs pretty compelling. Let me know if you want me to send.
@@studiometaart1974
Where do the Egyptians say that they came from the Land of Punt?
Just goes to show that scientists do not really welcome new theories easily....
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No not that really, but rather a new theory has to pass a rigorous review before it is accepted.
Unless that new view conflicts with the fundamental understanding of your everyday life and what you love. Greek culture is loved, to put them under a culture you deem as inferior, internally, just would make you disagreeable.
The âEgyptologistâ goes on to commend and praise Greek culture the entire show. Are we sure he isnât a Hellenistic researcher. Even when he mentioned their similarities he did this with a quick excerpt, then proceeded to gush on again about how great Hellenic society was.
Interesting. You would think he was more passionate about Greek culture. Also, itâs interesting heâs from New York. Maybe his role in society today is to preserve these old theories by being the âsubject matter expertâ for Egypt. Meaning maybe heâs not on the side of Egypt but on the side of those who want to preserve Egyptâs view as beneath Greeceâs role. Notice the British researcher references the presence of an Egyptian with Mississippi in the 1950s, clearly acknowledging how they WERE black and from the continent of Africa. Notice the others, disregarded the word, and even choose not to pursue even the faintest hint of their being any relation. Sounds about right for the mindstate of European Americans.
@@coleparker If only it were just "cientific rigour"! The first Higgs model (if you don't, google ot) was rejected on the claims that it "did not warrant a good publication". That "not good enough publication" wento on to win a Nobel prize. Unfortunately, I could cite so many others...
@@Kainis80 which they sometimes have, but still choose to reject. One very good example is the germ causing deaths in hospitals. Florence Nightingale, Dr Semmelweiss had HEAPS of data showing that washing hands before surgery or dealing with patients saved lives. They had data from different places, different illnesses, different types of parients- all show the same results. Guess what happened? And that is just ONE example
About geo changes
Insofar as 1st stone architecture they didn't know then of Coral in Peru & Gobeli Tempe in Turkey when this was made?
You can see the amount of research that today reveals the truth about Crete compared to speculative way they looked at them back then
You mean the origin of civilisation started in Africa? Who would've thought
Indy, why does the floor moveâŠ
On the contrary to what a selection of people know about Greece (Which is only classical Greece) Like Egypt, Greece has over 5000 years of civilization. The contemporary the Minoan, Cycladic and Helladic civilizations in Greece of which the Minoans technologically surpassed Egypt in the bronze age. Greece's immensely high level of civilization of 800-65BCE came from it's own historical predecessors. And these are the Mycenean civilization 1700-1200 BCE which is if we talk about Greek identity officially seen as the first Greek civilization due to language that is alive till this day making it the older continuous living language on the planet with 3500 years of written attestation, with Chinese being second in the world with 3250 years of written attestation.
And you know. The Mycenean Greeks who are "regarded" as the first moment of true Greek civilization is in many ways incorrect because the Myceneans who used Linear B, where deeply and profoundly influenced by the Minoan civilization on the Greek islands, with immense influence in architecture, arts, and so on. The Minoans (3650-1300 BCE, or 5650-3300 years ago) where not only more advanced than the Egyptians, but also more advanced than the Myceneans. And Mycenean has seen major influences from the Minoans. And also the Cycladic civilization 3300-2000 BCE, 5300-4000 years ago also like the Minoans had complex sewerage systems even 4600-5000 years ago as the incredible finds in 2018 of the Daskalio site has shown. The Cycladic civilization merged into the Minoan one by around 2000 BCE, 4000 years ago when the Minoans achieved their pinnacle.
So in other words:
The Minoans 5650-3300 years ago where influenced and incorporated the Cycladic civilization of (5300-4000 years) by 4000 years ago. And in turn by 1600 BCE, 3600 years ago the Myceneans took over and in turn where majorly influenced by the Minoans. And the best thing of this all is, is that this is not only one big continuity, but the people of Greece in the Minoan times, in the Cycladic times, the Mycenean times, the Classical Greek times, ALL the way till the modern times are genetically all one and the same based on 4 major comprehensive studies.
The genetic studies of 2013 (minoans), 2015, 2017 and the most recent one in 2021 by the most renowned universities show that the genetics of the Greeks over 5000 years of time till this day is almost identical.
Side note:
At around 1200 BCE, the bronze age collapsed due to massive wars and Greece went from 5200-3200 years ago (2000 years of bronze age civilizations), went into the dark age from 1100 BCE till 800 BCE. And after these 300 years, the Greeks picked up the pieces of it's high civilizations, but in it's process, did look at Egypt in terms of sculpture and some forms of architecture. However. This is like the video mentions also, ideas that where taken on board, completely making it their own in a total different way. It means that there is some influence after 800 BCE of Egypt in the form of ideas, but that it's the Greek civilization that completely took of with it.
If you look at Greek jewelry and arts and sculpture, it completely is unmatched in the entire ancient world on the entire planet. Nothing comes even remotely close to this. It's the Greek legacy. And if you search deeper, you also know that it's not only that those initial beginnings have some influence from Egypt, but also from it's own thousands of years before civilization within Greece. Because Minoan arts where unparalleled too in the bronze age, and nothing in the bronze age had paintings and jewelry and sculpture like the Minoans had. In fact. in 2017 a 2.5 cm gem was found that had the most outrageously detailed, anatomically high level, extremely sophisticated arts on it that our world has ever seen from the period of the bronze age. if you search for the Minoan gem of the warrior you will find it.
With all that being said. Egypt was naming stars and planets and doing complex, sacred geometry when Greece was still in the Stone Age. Where they would still be in Egypt had not enlightened them.
@@knowthyselfinstitute More like Worshipping cats but ok đ
@@Neater_profile They did that to.
minioan is not greek. they have their own thing
The first astronomical site is in Nubia. Earliest form of mathematics Congo and the list goes on
I agree with the last archeologist, asking whether or not the Egyptians were black is a stupid question.
Yet not to many actually Egyptian's involved in this discussion.
Where is the racism? The Kingdom of Kush was black, the Egyptians, not black.
The largest part dark caucasians but not black, of course.
@@antinoofromgreece6560
What's a Caucasian? When do dark complexioned people stop being black? These labels are nonsense and you're attached to them only because you believe they confer status on you.
@@andrewjohnson8232 Black isn't just dark skin, it's features. I can tell all the Africans apart pretty easy because not all Africans are black, but many are dark skinned. Even all the blacks of Africa look different and are distinguishable.
@@i-never-look-at-replies-lol
I'm afraid I really can't make sense of what you've said.
What are these features that make someone "dark skinned" but not "black"?
When you say you can tell Africans apart, what classifications are you using for this "easy" taxonomy? Nationality? Language? Geographical region?
Can you provide any examples of the ease of this taxonomy?
@@andrewjohnson8232
Just like we can tell that indians are not black althought alot of them can be very dark.
Basically all of the famous Greek academics were boarder students in Egypt for over a decadeâŠsometime two decades. But we attribute the ideas to the Greeks, not to their teachers. We donât know the names of their teachers.
The E1b1b M78 subclade V13 Kekistani Kekropian tribe from Nbwt called the HaNebu (of Nebu)
Not really a controversy at all. It's obvious the Greeks to great influence from the Egyptians. Read Herotodus and many other ancient writers. This doesn't really seem to be a point of contention. Not one I've ever heard of. The ancient Greeks would be the first to tell you of such an influence.
who is this malaka ?
You see all colours
The stepped pyramid is not the oldest by far...little erosion compared to others.
Google is your friend
@@p2kks7 look it up then..
I thought that the West has always had an appreciation for Egyptian sivilization. With fascination to Egyptian history (Egyptology) in modern and ancient times. The obelisks you see in every major western city, that did not just come from the age of enlightenment, but has been there since ancient Rome.
As someone who comes from the Middle East, I find it shocking how much it's exotified in the West. Even Islamists do not exotify or distant themselves that much from Westeners. And how it is done to a point where Egyptians are called black. I can't understand it, riligion, people, sivilization and every things that comes with it, the Middle East and Europe share or have gotten from the former.
They accuse classesists of bias, when they themselves confirm to contemporary biases. Trying to be inclusive and progressive, like when they describe Egypt as a multicultural society. Sure, there were non Egyptians living in Egypt, but not like Egypt sponsored cultures from every corner of the Earth in it's land for the sake of it, or to celebrate that and diversity, it would have been just people from the Mediterranean and the Middle East who contributed to Egyptian culture and society.
Look into who ruled Egypt throughout its past it might give you some insight
The real ancient Egyptians are Somali's. Do you think arabs are the real Egyptians đ€Łđ€Ł
@@sakaaroibrahim9686 Egyptians are the real Egyptians!
@@aa-zz6328 do your research bro! you're arab you have to know that you're not African, And you know human descended from Africa.
@@sakaaroibrahim9686 and all Terrestrial animals come from the ocean; what is you're point!?
If we assume that it's true, it doesn't mean that everyone else is African!
Ancient Egyptian ideologies will always be present in modern day society, but it's very much silent. I wish this channel would admit it .
Egypt was full of water
These things appeared
The history of egypt is much older than faranos
Egypt versus Greece;
crude, colossal art versus refined art of human dimension,
Despotism and subjection versus democracy and freedom,
priesthood keeping knowledge to themselves versus dissemination and discussion of knowledge in the form of philosophy, science, theatrical plays debated freely in the agora and the theatres (how many Egyprian philosophers, scientists and poets can you mention?)
Obsession with death (thanatos) versus obsession with life (eros).
What are you comparing for goodness sake?
As crestons wife I agree they learned from Egypt and Egypt learned ideas from mesopotamia
At times, buy their culture came and much of their innovations came from the head of head of the nile.
â@@andysawyer647 that's not true Egypt is older than any African country in Horn Africa
@@hassanhamed5774 no Kmt or Ta Mari came from Ta Seti. I would also argue that the monastic culture of the Sahara before desertification also has an effect
@@andysawyer647 Nigro and sub Saharan people has no thing to do with Ancient Egyptian civilization
Egyptian had united in 3150 BC by king menas most of sub-saharienne countries has no history before colonizer came to Africa + Nubians still life in North of Sudan and south of Egypt the sub-sahara countries has no thing to do with Nubian civilization
@@hassanhamed5774 arabs have nothing yo do with egypt, the first settlers from came from south of the nile AKA lake victoria, black nubians are the oldest relatives to egypt. Not arabs.
All cultures with contact influence each other just like all religions with contact influence eachother
Judaism influenced Christianity which influenced Islam for example
The birth of western civilization is is an interesting study ⊠it stands on the pillars of many other cultures is all I take from this
i heard the word racist, i'm out of here bye bye . . .
lmao somehow this happens to me a lot...but i'll be reading through the comments and i'll read one about something in the video at the *exact same time* they're talking about it in the video. so here i am, reading your comment and as i come across the word "racist", i'm at the exact point in the video where the host is mumbling something about it and i hear it aloud.
Ancient Greeks already admitted they were heavily influenced by all the ancient civilizations of the middle east. They sailed there to trade and brought back all sorts of ideas which they adapted to their own style. This is already well known
Egypt is in Africa. Arabs were goat and camel herders during that time.
Give a source for that claim. Everything the barbarians had you ignorant fool was Greek. Dating back from the precataclysmic era. We founded all those place including Egypt.
@@mikecarlton9000 Well arabs were always more advanced than your ancestors, afrocentric.
@@mikecarlton9000 Arabs didn't exist yet xD
That is not true Egypt absolutely had freedom. Pharaoh's practiced incest to keep the royal bloodline but the rest of the Egyptian's did not. They definitely had freedom more freedom then we have in America. Woman could rule the land. In America we have yet have a woman lead the country. Cleopatra was both Egyptian and Greek. Also they did not have a skin color problem in Greece or Egypt it wasn't until England changed things during late 1800 and 1900s and still today.
Humanity owes Africa
NO
Tbh who cares what anyone thinks about this when the Greeks themselves said they learned some stuff from them?
Or the other way around!!!!
Gee thatâs sorta hard to believe. Donât see many parallels between the two distinct cultures either in structure or decoration. Why would anyone suggest that one may have inspired the other?
You do see more similarities actually
I hope he knows that Egyptians are niether black nor Arab đ
Meaningless comment. Black and Arab are just demographic labels. They're not zoological species. Grow up.
They are neither Caucasian or Asian
Egyptian come from East Africa they have stated this themselves after many expeditions to the horn. Yâall know the write answer but are too afraid to say it. Actually pathetic
All foreigners came after Egypt was built, old almost in decline. Europeans, Indo Arabs, Asians came late in the Egyptian story. Egyptian were true African black from different regions of South primary, West Sahara, and North Africa. Embarrassing that this culture's reality is questioned today, the mixed area was late after invasion over hundreds of years in the lower/ north region not upper/south sudan Nubia parts. A European Greek,roman or Indo Arab Persian or Babylonians never built a great pyramid or installed culture advances. Odd to even suggest that people in their own homeland didn't build but ran to Africa to build a great civilization.
I'm black with an olive skin tone. Does that mean I'm Greek? Lol
i'm white with an olive skin tone. Does that mean i'm black? Lol
And my axe!
He said had to do with amon ra
The Greek themselves stated "We learned to build in stone from the Egyptians". However, Dr. Robert Bianci's compleately on spot in that influence does not equal imitation. Egypt was revered by the Greeks (as well as by many of the cultures we now know as "ancient") due to its ancient longevity , greatness of history and as the seat of multiple firsts. This however is a far cry from forming a culture as a mere mirror of another. The Greek world then, as now, differed greatly from the Egyptian in term of qualifying geographical prerequisits. Prerequisits that inevitably entailed differentiation between the two cultures.
Nobody has ever made such statements,where the hell did you get this hilarious shit from?
@@Chrxstos Well, my studies (M.A in Egyptology & M.A. in Archaeology) and my 20 + years of research and work those degrees has turned into.
@@deviantoutcast A guy with such CV would never make such hilarious claims.
It would be better to cut the crap and provide sources about your hilarious claim
â@@Chrxstos You're interestingly overflowing with unfounded presumptions. My avatar is a picture of Hatshepsut. Now, that in and of itself does not by necessities need to be inferring of anything, but the good money still says a man is more likely to choose a male pharaoh - especially seeing how many male pharaohs there are visavi female pharaohs.
6 years of academic studies, two post-grad degrees and 20 years experience might seem like "crap" to you, and it is true that there are plenty of people out there with far more experience possessing higher degrees of education than me. Alas - for you - hiding your lack of actual counterarguments behind inarticulate and faint accusatory word sprouts (e.g. "hilarious claims" which seems to be somewhat of a favorite of yours, though it neither specifies, nor adds to, anything) does nothing for your cause other than paints a picture of someone more interested in antagonism and childlike discord, than partaking in actual discourse to further the conversation and build to subject understanding.
So, that being the backdrop: I'll be happy to add some sources outside of myself, granted and as soon as you present me with something along the lines of actual counterarguments and/or questions.
Until then: I am in no way obligated to defend myself against pointless ad hominem remarks.
@@deviantoutcast 3 paragraphs of claims about yourself and zero actual sources about your hilarious claim.
As I've already told you cut the crap and provide actual sources.
Much older than egypt
It's kinda sad everyone's knowledge about ancient Greece goes back only to the classical period while Greece has much more than that.
Oh these comments are gold. Not surprised though. He clearly said in the beginning that this has everyone in an uproar. And so it has. Gold i tell u.
The guy with the bushy beard saw the future. The humanities seem to be doing exactly what he feared
Is the most stable continent on earth
The Greeks worshipped black Gods. Those black gods are the same ones they got there knowledge from.
sleeping with the enemy...
In the end, they explained the reason for this mess: racial problems of North America projected in the BC past. This is a topic that is incomprehensible for not British Europeans. Racism exists in Europe as well but in different terms, and nobody would dream to call out Cleopatra o Nefertiti to justify a discussion about that.
Facts! White haters. Nothing new.
I like the argument that it would have happened similarly to how Japan voluntarily took influence from China. It makes a lot of sense.
PS: However, as a non-Eurupean I still don't see the relevance of asserting whether this influence was key or not to the birth of Greece. Would we say the Tang dynasty was key to making Japan what it is? I am no historian, but I don't think we would. Would we say that modern China is an offshoot of America just because of the way the youth dresses and the way they build their cities? Hell no. Then why do we need to think that Egypt birthed Greece? It sparks interesting discussions, sure, but I don't see the point of making this argument in the first place. To sell a book?
Completely agree
I'm an American and I feel the same way.
Reality is, it would have been centuries of cultural evolution and mixing. Neither the Greeks nor the Egyptians "moved in" and conquered those areas (not on a large war-like scale). It took thousands of years to fully 'conquer'. The Myceneans and others who were considered ancient and mythical to the Greeks are where they came from. Same with Egypt, all their "gods" came from neolithic civilizations before the invention of writing, hieroglyphs, or anything.
People trying to figure out if early humans where white or black are pretty dumb (which is what some of these of the people arguing about it are really about)... We were mixed race long before we were even homo-sapiens (and likely before we were even mammals). Just like mammals and birds. You shave their fur off (or feathers) and they come in different skin colors by way of standard genetic variation.
The Ethiopians influence Egyptians the Egyptians the Greeks and Greeks the Romans
Alexander the great went there
It was the Persians, they got it from them like ... Everyone else except in the new world
What do you mean?
@@karlmarx1730 exactly what I said, what are you even asking?! Lol
@@benjaminrobinson5552 you said "it" and "they" and "them". Who are you referring by these three? :/
@@karlmarx1730 if you can't understand what articles are pointing to what nouns by context of syntax, I can't help you, your education system has failed you, which begs the question; Where were you educated?
@@benjaminrobinson5552 says the one who thinks greeks got their civilization from persians. Lmao
the ancient Greeks practiced Democracy for 200 years
Democracy is not a Greek word to start with and it has nothing to do with the way people choose the leaders. The word exists of two words Demo + cracy.boyh words are Phoenicians. Demo =ŰŻÙÙ Ù ( person, human). Cracy = Ù۱ۧ۷ÙÙ (registered). Democracy = the registered person. The Phoenicians when the colonised the Greeks, they registered their childeren born from Phoenician woman but never registered their children born from a Greek woman. It was for them very important to keep their lineage âcleanâ. Well racists have always existed I guess. This is already established linguistically. It were the Phoenicians who civilised the Greeks. Isnât it strange that the Greek civilisation seems to pop up from nowhere suddenly ?
From america
Egyptians were neither, they were olive skinned.
What a bunch of BS
Some went to greece
Greece is not a cradle. There is no Greece without Fertile Crescent and Egypt
Momification is in america also
why are such trivial things argued by people's ancient historians such as Solon, Plato, Pythagoras and a plethora of others have all gave testimony to the ancientness of the Egyptians and all came to Egypt as students to learn from the priest of the black lands who helped pharaoh govern. The Greeks were the sea peoples who were finally repulsed by Ramses. Greece was a multicultural empire as attested to by manuscripts such as the Bristol Psalter and the Destruction of Thera mural along with Mycenean bull jumping frescoes. It was even stated that Zeus was an Ethiopian by Herodotus and that the Greek Gods met once a year to have a feast with the Gods of Egypt. All the greatest minds and philosophers of Greece In its formative years all sojourned and shaved their heads bald to be admitted and show penance to the ancient mystery schools of the priests of Thebes, Memphis, Ptah, etc., etc. The real reason behind this back n forth of crafty wordplay and non-attribution of such deeds is because of the overwhelming evidence of the Egyptians being founded in its predynastic dynastic and golden era by melanated peoples which underlies the assumption that the blacks had conquered and navigated and colonized the whole world and Its capital of Egypt was the London, Vatican City, and Washington Dc of the ancient world. Which thesis is avoided at all costs "at least in mainstream-academics overtly " Due to the amount of technological and philosophical, and governmental wisdom that was extracted from such civilization.
Yeah, right. Greece took it all from Egypt! Also the aliens build the pyramids, hahaha!
Itâs all Mediterranean culture. The Egyptians didnât influence places like modern day Germany or the uk which is why they werenât as advanced.
Yeh it's normal because Ancient Egyptians were Mediterraneans with some middle easterner heritage. So similarities between the Mediterraneans is not surprising. Besides they are geographically close wich allowed them more exchange of ideias.
They were not "Mediterranean" their culture was a continual culture flowing from the head of Hapi or the Nile. This is is modern day Tanzinia and Uganda. When they depicted themselves and other Africans they were nearly the same. They also showed Libyans and Asiatics as looking different from themselves. Bantu words are also very similar to Kmt
Its very clear some still plays the view of 19 century even Zimbabwean wall were built by white men. But they cannot accepts Egypt were dominated and contributed civilizations of mideterian world and so on. We can understand the issue of race ofcourse lol.