NEVER DO THIS! Inexperienced Driver Cutting Corners to Become an Owner Operator
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- EVERY newly licensed truck driver wants to become an Owner Operator... We get it. But cutting corners to become one, doesn't sit well with Ronen.
In this video Ronen interviews a "irrational newly licensed truck driver" and discusses with him whether or not he should jump right into becoming an Owner Operator for his first trucking job.
Would you pay $170,000 CAD for a truck fresh out of driving school and take an Owner Operator position?!
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00:00 Introduction
00:32 Brand new drivers buying trucks without experience
00:54 Interview with an interested driver
01:51 Plating a truck out of province
02:57 What truck he plans to buy
04:09 Freight unpredictability
05:00 No winter driving experience
05:46 Why working as a team is better for beginners
08:03 Buying a truck from a dealership issues
09:06 Importance of an APU unit
09:49 Proper financing options - Auta a dopravní prostředky
14 yrs experience here, half food service, half regional/otr....
I agree 110% with everything you said and how respectfully you said it. Always a fan of your content, now an even bigger fan of you as a person. Well done.
Even with experience right now is EXTREMELY difficult. I have been a O/O for 2 years and just paid myself for the first time a couple weeks ago. They say 2-3 years just to get off the ground and I have 8 years driving experience so right out of the gate is suicide!
I bought a truck then got my cdl, it's about whether or not your good with money there is no magical time to become a owner op
All depends on the person's decision... i was a company driver for one year two months and became an owner operator, but my friend who had a semi and a tow truck, who has never driven a trailer had his CDL on Friday and started as an owner operator on Monday, I convinced him to have a bit of training and he never listened....he has been an owner operator for almost a year and he's doing great 👍... people are not the same... where you face challenges is where another person looks it so simple...
Exactly! 💯
Exactly this guy is very bias
@@oscarmarquez7295 That's how I feel about him sometimes... At times he will tell you this or that and you'll not really know which one to follow... He says new trucks are better... I've seen trucks of 2018 going for repairs every time, but one guy from Somalia 🇸🇴 has a 2012 freightliner with more than 1500 miles on it and it's giving him no problem... So the real problem is how you maintain your truck and knowing how to manage the business, not too much experience as he thinks 🤔
Ain’t nobody doin great right now
@@ziboteysly318 I'm that guy from somalia, except my truck in 1999 ... Gives me zero problems (not the prettiest on the truck stop though) 😂
I’m almost a year in with a megacarrier and I’m based in the southwest USA. I run the Western 11 states and the Midwest, in the USA. I have a few thoughts.
There’s just so much to learn in the first year that no academy, no matter how good, can teach you. Things like finding parking for your 10s, how to work with your company to deal with breakdowns, how to navigate customer relationships, being well-prepared to ace an inspection, dealing with a shady shipper who might try to illegally overload you, running a reefer trailer and food safety, and so on.
My training experience was pretty good and I trained through the same company that I work for now. I had the full 4-week training, with no corners cut. However, I still struggled with backing and tight-quarters maneuvering, and I needed the time with a company mentor to really get to where I had an ok-ish understanding of backing to upgrade to being a solo truck driver.
From there, my focus as a new driver is not necessarily on getting a crap-ton of miles and making the most money but on establishing a safety record. Experienced drivers often are skeptical of new drivers, and have good reason to be, because many will give up on the lifestyle of professional over-the-road driving and tragically, many others will make mistakes and have preventable accidents.
So it is up to me as a new driver to prove my worth. I’m now going into my 9th month with my company, with no accidents or incidents, with a consistent track record of getting loads delivered on time, and with an accident-free and incident-free safety record that I can be proud of. My goal is to continue to prove my worth so that I can look people in the eye and say “yes I’ve proved that I’m a safe driver in all types of terrain and tight spaces and weather, and here’s my safety record”.
That is what new drivers need to do.
When I went back to trucking after twenty years of other jobs, I bought a truck off an owner-op at a small local company that came with a local job. The truck was paid for and since I was a mechanic,I refurbish the old '86 LTL 9000 and did a couple of runs each day, oakville to toronto and back. I would fuel up once a week and be home by 4pm every day.Jobs like this are extremly rare and for the time it lasted, I made out like a bandit. Six months later, the boss drops the contract and wants me to run the midwest. In a 9yr old truck and no experience, I said no thanks and left his employ (he did buy my truck and I even made a little on it) You need experience and time before you attempt a $170,000 nut to carry. Your advise was proper in my opinion.
I like your videos and your honesty i been doing this close too 20 years and your opinions are bang on good work
I got my truck at 7 months experience and I'm fine.
That's great to hear Mustafa!!
Did you finance or buy your truck?
@@marvinbell6489 paid CASH
That’s definitely true. And I loved how truthful you are with this guy. I know how it looks because I been there. And please if you are new driver please don’t Rush into buying a truck. It will come one day but remember your safety is first. I highly encourage you not to chase a money first year but chase a experience. Thank you and stay safe out there. ❤
Ronan, thank you for trying to help us drivers. I really like your show. Very good information.
Good advise👍
Very helpful
Thank you Ronen for all you re doing for the industry, and of course, you're not crazy 😂...I hope one day to have the privilege of speaking with you in person. Thanks again!
Great job!🤗
Thank you!
Thanks!
Anytime!
Im taking steps towards entering the trucking-industry. When i first started looking into entering the industry, i was debating going O/O vs being a company-driver. The more i look into it, the more i realize i should have at least 2-3winters as a company driver under my belt before even thinking of going o/o
I totally agree
I don't know how things work in Canada, but in the United States, all of the mega carriers offer training, they also push lease purchases. They tell new drivers how much money they will make if they just sign on the dotted line. Isn't that the same thing as a new driver, not knowing anything trying to buy a truck? But you're trying to discourage them, but here it's all part of the business model of most large trucking companies?
Mega Carriers in Canada also offer training. Ronen isn't trying to discourage drivers. He wants all drivers to be successful and not cut corners. Becoming an Owner Operator right now is extremely difficult, and wants drivers to have the proper training and experience as a company driver for 1-2 years before becoming an Owner Operator!
I agree with you 😎👍
he should actually go on tour with someone experienced a few times to talk to explain to the guest what it is all about
Not a good time to buy a truck. The spot markets are virtually absent and fuel at an all time high. I would just stay away from trucking or anything related for now.
No harm in waiting it out! Trucking will always be here, so what's the rush?
Get him to give you everything he has and sign him up for a lease. Charge him everything you can. Few years he will give up and turn in the truck.
If he already has a back ground in business ownership, then he could certainly own a truck right away.
But would he stick to it ?
I've seen a few guys eager to get into trucking their whole lives. Finally get their license, get a job, then give up on trucking within the first month when they experience how much it effects their personal relationships and how much time it consumes.
Facts
Cdl school I went to always use to say: WE ARE HERE TO HELP YOU PASS YOUR CDL (basic) BUT THERE ALOT MORE TO LEARN ON ROAD. I learn more riding with a trainer than the school and prepare me to handle hill with j break, tight turns / going thru small town. Backing etc… it’s Suicide for someone to start off right off bat without no experience for otr. Maybe if it’s your own town which you personally know that would be a different story but not otr.
I came out from cdl school then I got me a hotshot first with 44ft trailer then moved up to a semi. Just to not fail big
When someone wants to start a business in something they have little to no experience in and they use the words, “…gut feeling…” in any sentence during a discussion about their endeavor, I start to worry.
I was running as a company driver for 4 years before I decided to buy my own truck. I think you should have at least 2 years under your belt. I'm also an American driver that does not cross any borders.
Exactly what's wrong with the industry. No driving experience, no trucking business experience. Go out, drive down rates, go out of business with first major maintenance issue, if you didn't wreck first. SMH.
Thanks a lot for all the details in your videos, you seem more believable and trustworthy like that, new subscriber overhere.✌️
RONEN!!!!! WELL F#@KING said, we use to hire guys that hadto have a minimum of 4yrs under their belts, even highway drivers with experience would have to be tested as the oil patch was a different beast and in the winter truly dangerous. When I gave a guy a pail of chains and said these will be your best friend on lease roads or doing heavy haul through B.C. or on lease sites and they responded that they don't need chains or won't use them I usually knew they were green and I'd wish them luck, take my pail of chains back and send them on their merry way. Who knows Ronen maybe I'll come a knockin on your door for a highway job.
Great video and great advice, thank you for posting these videos.
My pleasure!
Does this guy know how much diesel fuel is right now? Does he have any idea how low freight rates are?
Ya
Not the greatest time
No he probably doesn't. Probably watching certain CZcamsrs bragging about how much money they're making and running with that.
You are absolutely right
👍👍
The financial pressures that come with starting off as an owner operator would tempt an inexperienced driver to make some potentially very risky driving decisions.
👏👏👏. Correcto - Mundo!!!!
Best comment here. While the guy should spend 💯 of his attention at driving, he will have to concentrate more on RCs, bills to pay, issues with shippers, suppliers, finding the right routes, hours of service, being on time.
So, yes, you are ABSOLUTELY correct!!
Company driver for 2 months, till being owner operator for 3 months leased onto a carrier( paid the truck off in 2 months)
My family( 3 other trucks) been leased on for years
I like it
Love to hear it! Thanks for sharing Sam!
Whhaattt, what carrier?
Paid truck off in 2 months!! what was it a pick up truck or something
@@the4527klaus 03 Peterbilt c15 18spd
Very tempting that’s for sure
Indeed it is!
My life experience: Those that repeatedly say, “Right,” are passively saying “F” what your advice is!…
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Right!
This guy had a blessing in disguise, and even big fights that have Canada wide runs are going to post on miles , they don’t care about road conditions . What’s the use of route from toronto to bc . It takes five days in summer and 15 days in winter . Plus more fuel consumption . Take the advice and feel blessed later 😎
Thanks for sharing!!
Some dealer sold me a car when I was young with only the learner permit.
What is your thoughts on trucking automation
Bro, your videos are powerful 💯
Thank you!
Great video, started hotshoting and jumped in as a o/o two years later. Being a new o/o my insurance in Ontario (25k for plpd) was more then my purchase price of my truck and trailer. Running an early 90s unit but (having a mechanics license helps keep things running smoothly and cheaply). Working local is also a bug advantage. I had a few learning curves that would cost people thousands if not everything. I'd suggest driving for a company. In this economy you're setting yourself up for failure. He May do great but that's a gamble I wouldn't take. Great content as always 👌🏻👍🏻
Great comment, thank you for sharing Daniel. Definitely a gamble for this driver, but we are rooting for him!!
Great interview. Your very nice honest dude.
I drove company 20 years I finally bought my first truck 2 years ago. I learned so much the last 2 years Owner Opp. Stuff i wouldnt of learned as company driver
God bless drivers 🔨⬇️
This guy is a blessing.. you are saving this guy life .
Thanks for the supportive comment Matty!! We are rooting for this driver as well!!
I don’t think that people are understanding. Just because you did it, doesn’t mean the average person should
The average person will fail, but there’s always anomalies
Best to have experience and know what exactly your doing. Highly recommend having at least 1 winter season under your belt. A driver should have at least 30-50k in the bank that your not depending on. Going straight into O/O with the way the market is at this time is going to be a very good challenge. This is a very good video.
Thank u
Appreciate the positive feedback
I don't think it matters! Yes if he went straight to his own authority it would be difficult. If he leased on to a decent carrier they basically handle everything. You just drive and put money aside
Or credit for the 30-50
@@samfonov not even credit cash money because it’s will make the driver show discipline to have money and not spend it because I can promise you once you make money and start spending it your going out of business fast 💨
Hi I've been driving in the UK for 30 + years 22 as owner operator would I be a viable candidate for your company at 53 years old?? Regards Ed liking the videos very much ps my mum and dad were in Timings for 5 years in the 60s
Amen to that brother. I've been OTR four only 5 years and still see drivers acting like they're in a 4wheeler. Dangerous.
Very dangerous. Stay safe out there!
been doing this since 1989 I now have two trucks safest thing take baby steps make sure you can fix what you own or at least work on it or your in for redickuless repair bills from shops and dealerships new licenced drivers rushing in to oo are killing this industry
The excitement to become a driver is great. But it puts a lot of people in danger if the new driver doesn't have enough training.
Good advise Ronen
Thank u
Much appreciated
I have never drive a semi before. Got my license, 2 months later bought a truck and flatbed trailer, 1 year and 2 months on the road with my own authority. No accident,. Learn everything from CZcams...LOL Self dispatch, driver, and accountant.
I am a newly licensed driver & I plan on buying my own truck after about 12-18 months of experience. I am about to start driving sometime next week with a small carrier ( us routes).
Now I had been to a dealer recently & since I want to buy a brand new unit, the sales person advised me to book a truck now as the waiting is about 18months! Is that the way to go forward or would you advise otherwise? Thanks 🙏🏽
Why listen I’m an oo there isn’t any more money on this side this industry is dead please stack your money and move on TRUCKING IS OVER bro please listen
🤣, you’re opposed to a guy driving his own truck as a new driver, but not opposed to a new driver driving someone else’s truck 🛻 🤣
Hi again that's Timmings not timings sorry predicted text regards Ed Nelson
You give very good advice Ronan
Thank u
Appreciate the feedback
I have been driving semi trucks for 33 plus years and I am impressed with the advice that you give which gives me more knowledge.
As much as he is eager to get on the road, and I would bet many newly licensed drivers are, I agree that he needs to get some seat time before jumping right into owner operator. The timing as well is not good either, like you mentioned, with winter approaching. I have been researching and considering becoming a driver, going to a certified trucking school in Ontario, then getting on with a company that offers an internship before I go solo. I would also time my training so that I would start driving in the spring/summer to give me lots of hours driving in good weather conditions. Becoming an owner operator would be a goal but not a starting point for me. I am a confident driver with 35+ years driving experience and have driven all over Canada and the US but I still wouldn’t rush the process. I know I would be a great truck driver but I would want to confirm that with some experience first in the truck. Great video.
Thank u
Appreciate u taking the time to write the comment
And Ya, totally agree with u
Ronen isn't Lying. It's high unsafe & critical to get minimum 6 months - 1 year.
Thanks for great video and you save so many guys out there.
I been owner operator for 4 years and I almost lost my life on icy road I was jump as owner operator in 4 months CDL holder what happened is all truck and trailer goon.But thanks GOD am okay.
Please take the advice u got the right person.
Glad to hear you were ok from the incident. Scary stuff man!! Thank you for your support.
Love to see honest people like our host on this video. While he could've easily sold this new driver a truck he at the very least advised him of the dangers and pitfalls. Wish more people would have the wherewithal to be as mindful as this man here. Not every thing is about profit, although I'm sure some will disagree
We are always transparent on this channel! Thank you for your support!
Ronen, I looked at being a driver for company. The salaries are RIDICULUS and INSULTING. 23.00$/h to 28.00$/hr for a driver with 3 years. NO WAY this is the problem not me without experience. I am taking the steps to be careful. McDonald is paying a new staff 20.00 $/h just to hand you coffee. Do not be afraid I am forbidden to go in Ontario or the USA...
Glad to hear you're taking steps to be careful! Thanks for sharing Claude.
The most important thing also is that he needs to learn how back up the trailer
Agreed
I am a new driver. I am buying a used truck 2016 and my first task was find INSURANCE. it took 4 months to get some with restrictions like no USA and Ontario. So Only driving a known route with a mentor during ONE MONTH. The contract I got is exactly that and my own instructor is still coaching me on container trucking. My load will be wood chips. All my friends told me buy no more that 60 000$ from a VOLVO dealership with a 2 year warranty. I am following your advice Ronen keep the good work. Finally even if I have manual on my permit insurance asked me to buy automatic and get experience. I must add the road is always the same every day every trip during 6 months another request that I am going to follow to the letter.
Owner op wanting a brand new truck think about it brand new truck high ass note plus high ass fuel with low freight rate equals out of business 😂paid off truck and trailer high fuel low rate doing ok ✅
Those new Tesla trucks are perfect for 0 experience owner operator😉
great video my son did some long haul last winter up to dryden area and red lake back to toronto. Spent many nights on the side of the road in a storm
He is only 25 and in an old kw with no apu .
Sounds like your son is real trucker!! Good for him!
Please consider a video addressing truck maintenance. Not just service but what is average mileage for bottom side rebuild, in frame overhaul, when should O/O consider out of frame rebuild.
Also, advantages of glider kit trucks and how SCOTUS ruling against EPA may affect glider kit trucks.
oh yes buy a new truck and finance it at 8 percent on 200 thousand dollars! great idea! youll be saving on fuel and spending 16 thousand dollars annually with the interest!
😅😅
Who would pay $170.000 for any 2019 semi Is you crazy.
I paid 162k for my new cascadia in 2018. Paying 170k for a used junk is complete insanity! 💩
4-6 years be a company driver, learn local, regional and cross boarder lanes, get your experience with insurance, and then go o/o. Make sure you have 3-6 months of financial means of living before you start!
I jumped in with having a 10k credit cards for fuel and not enough for the endeavour technically.
But, my truck is paid for 2 months in
25k to pay truck off, 10k+ to shops , 20k to fuel at least
Ces paroles, sont le bon sens même.
this guy is what is wrong with this industry!!
Truck life cycle
Fright cycle
Automatic trucks drivers
5 year min before becoming owner opp, if you cant save up as a company driver to buy a truck you don’t stand a chance.
I've been driving for 2-3 years now and by no means am I an expert driver. All the points you made are valid and refreshing. Your honesty had me floored tbh. But definitely 5-10 years into the gig someone can/should look into being an O/OP. No sooner. This is too dangerous and costly for a brand new driver to buy a truck out right.
I went from hotshot owner operator hauling cars, to getting cdl and buying a semi car hauling rig, then moved to doing power only and flatbed under my own authority, all under a year. It was a big mistake. Trying to find a company to lease onto with my own truck, none of them will touch me.
Why won't they touch you?
@@jasonwilliams6794 less than a year of CDL/OTR experience.
Ronin you should report those Companies..he is going to kill himself..these Guys trying to fast track the Money..you gotta earn those Stripes
It’s been 2 yr since the new tiered license. Hang on this winter on the 401 “track”.
Driving a truck isn't rocket science. In actuality, newer drivers are much more cautious and much less complacent than "experienced" drivers.
Definitely not rocket science, but it is a tough job!
I've been out here 10 years. It took a couple of years just to find a good company to driver for.I wouldn't recommend anyone buying a truck in the first 5 years.
Great advice!
Buy a truck cash and then hire a driver with experience and then you can keep going.
Not a bad idea!
How much are the trucks selling for? Nice video.
Thank u
Approx 150-160 CAD
@@NorthAmerican-Trucking-News I might be interested. I live in Georgia.
I’ve lived in northern Ontario and seen it over and over again new drivers getting into accidents. People that live here can always tell who has experience and who doesnt
The more training and experience, the better for EVERYONE out on the road.
He's got it all figured out. He's going to start 2 new careers at the same time. Learning to drive a truck, how hard can that be? I'm sure I'll be able to run a small business by myself, with no experience or training. This is a disaster in the making.
Some people are more capable than you believe it or not
@@zacari99 I'm sure there are some people capable, about 3 out of a 100 succeed in a lease purchase, so why not this guy?
@@zacari99 are you a driver, an owner operator? My point was, if you're out here, you know how difficult it was when you first started driving. On top of that you're trying to run a profitable small business, with everything that goes along with it.
@@thomaskirkpatrick4031 yes, i’m a new driver helping my friend run his own OO. it is very difficult even when we’re making good money.
No substitute for experience.
Agreed!
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Right now id go grab some experience with a company that can guarantee loads while this market works itself out.
Totally Agree
Facts
I would add that "married" drivers who begin driving have to have a idea how truck driving affect their marriage. Being gone for longer periods of time is hard and affect the entire family.
A lot of drivers do not consider the effects driving and being gone so much have on a marriage
Agreed
Thanks for the comment
After 15 years driving, I just bought my first truck last week.. There's never a good time to becoming a o/o but really you need a few years to learn the basics IMHO. Has it happened new guys succeeding? Sure but it's extremely rare.
This must be staged.
The guy thinks that, if “he likes to take road trips “ he might like the lifestyle of a trucker???
He is wrong to begin with.
Not to mention inexperience.
He has no clue how much it costs to run that truck.
I think the whole little video of yours is just a clickbait.
This guy needs to drive company. He won't even know about chaining. Send him out
We are rooting for him!!
Ohw boy oh boy. Not sure if this was staged or not. But this is just one huge red flag.
Not staged
It’s real
I got a truck after 11 months exp I think. Now I have been been an owner operator for years.
I think a few months exp exp is enough if you have a strong financial situation. The learning curve plateaus very fast. If you own a truck.. the only difference is now you have to drop it at a shop for maintenance or repair.. everything else is the same as your role I'd you were to work as a driver except dispatch can push you less and you earn way more.
3-4 months exp you should have. Also have 10-15k cash on hand at least for repairs. Other than that it's easy and anyone should do it :D
ET Transport: If you are thinking of becoming a truck driver O/O DONT. Here’s the reasons
1) you’re new to the career
2) truck is expensive
3) have u even driven before...
4) snow
5) if you still want to... buy from me!
Bruh.
Ronen wants to help this driver when he is 100% ready to take on an Owner Operator position! Ronen just gave him the option far down the road to purchase a truck from our yard in the future.
If you think that is bad, how about having a 19-year-old kid come in wanting to buy a truck? As you know, they (the wise and benevolent Biden administration) is floating this idea of allowing 18-year-olds get their CDL. BTW does this guy realize that the freight market is terrible. He needs to do his homework.
I tried to explain
Thanks for the comment
What 18 year old wants to work lol
I would never be an owner operator without being a company driver first to get the experience
Thanks for sharing!
And then there is the fact that besides learning trucking, you are also running a business. Either one alone is a huge endeavor, and you are betting a lot of bucks.
Yep, great comment. LOTS of expenses!
Saying a company that would hire you would be out of their mind sounded extremely condescending towards the driver...INMO. Definite turn off to your youtube channel which I enjoy
Definitely this guy doesn't have a clue about trucking at all. He probably have some truckers bragging about the big money as owner operator and how easy it is. Every sane truckers know how much bs other truckers spew out on the road. Speaking from 27 years experience trucker here also owner operator
Thanks for the comment
Agreed
Exactly.
Man can you specifically tell how much s good truck driver could make.
A fool and his money Soon part. End of story