Trainer Sound Test: KICKR CORE vs KICKR 2018 vs TACX NEO
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
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Head to head time! Which trainer is most silent? The KICKR CORE, the KICKR 2018, or the oldie the Tacx Neo? I put them to the test, one after another in a sound check, and let you decide!
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Hey folks - thanks for watching! For those curious about the rocker plate...here ya go! czcams.com/video/bAB67DiNE9I/video.html
Came here to ask just this!
Thanks for saving me 300€!
THANK YOU
Just what I was thinking...rocker- 🙏🏻
Yup, I’m getting a core! Thanks.
I would love to see you and Shane miller on a tandem connected to a smart trainer on zwift soon, please make it happen!
This is one of the best filmed and directed videos on your channel!! (yup... newsletter reader ;-)
Just pre-ordered my Kickr Core this evening to replace my ageing Tacx Satori. Can’t wait to collect it.
And how is the core?
@@ck21985rip
My kicker core failed after 1 1/2 years. I could hear a ball bearing rolling around in the housing. WAHOO did replace it at no cost. They sent me a refurbished unit very quickly and at at no charge. Including a label for mailing it (old broken unit)back in at no charge. Which was nice. I used it a lot during the winter months , maybe 6 hours a week…. Not so much during the summer months, 3-4 hours a week. I was just surprised it didn’t last longer for $1,000!
So, dont worry about which one is the loudest. Get the one that will last. I don’t know which one that is.
Hi Ray. thanks a million for a great video - and all your stuff in general!
What about deep rumble sounds/vibrations - how do these trainers behave in that regard?
I live in an old flat with wooden floors, and have had to build a vibration dampening base for my kickr '15, to be able to maintain a good relationship with the folks below me :-) It basically sets the flor in motion (without the base). I tried a Neo gen.1 and that made even more vibrations. I assume, when using a trainer on a concrete floor, this won't be a problem, but are there indications of vibrations on the rocker plate, that you are using? Also, it would be very helpful for people with the same problem as me, if you could test the trainers on a stage or some kind of "resonance box" to get an impression of vibrations.
Asger H J would love to know this answer so following.
Thanks man for the video - I'm new to smart trainers and I got little confused about Kickr and Kickr core. 2017 Kickr is at $900 now , same as Kickr Core 2018. Since 2017 Kickr is loud and it is basically 2018 Kicker Core without folding legs + 2018 core is pretty quiet I think it makes sense to go for 2018 core ......
I’ve owned a Tacx Neo Smart for 4 years. Recently the EDCO hub failed (been failing for over a year or so). Bought a replacement hub from Garmin (they now own Tacx). The hub they sent is from Neo 2 but my Shimano lockring does not screw on to the hub no matter what! Ticket still open with Garmin now for 2 weeks.
Meantime to keep training I bit the bullet and bought a Kickr 18 as need a backup trainer anyway. To my surprise it’s quieter than the Neo and has way better realistic road feel. Using both trainers on Zwift on the big ring at high speed the Kickr is way quieter but similar in small ring at lower speed.
Excellent content, and thanks for putting this together. The rapid fire 1-2-3 comparison was really helpful. I noticed that at 6:53, the video says TACX NEO but it's the KICKR CORE at that point in the video. Not sure which audio we're hearing... I'm assuming KICKR CORE. If someone else already pointed this out, my bad. Thanks again!
Agreed that at that point it doesn't matter anymore. In particular because of the pitch of the noise - if it was the same loudness but sounded like say, a cheap dog whistle, then it'd totally still be a bit annoying and noticeable.
This generation of smart trainers is awesome - can't wait to be able to get one. Sadly bought the KICKR 17 and then had surgery which went bad such that I didn't get to ride it long. Not sure I'd still be able to sell the 17 in time either.
Ah well. Someday at least.
I agree, the 2018 generation of units (inclusive I suppose of the 2015 Neo), is astounding value for the money compared to what was the norm just 1-2 years ago.
Almost got the full setup there Ray. All you need now is the road feel from Tacx and that's it.
Indeed, if only I could blend road-feel of the Neo with ups and downs of the CLIMB. Life complete!
Thx man, really appreciated 🤝
In depth rocker plate review please Ray!!
I might start digging into that. In the meantime, here's the video on that one: czcams.com/video/bAB67DiNE9I/video.html
Excellent review
Thanks!!
Neo’s issue is the large metal disk with resonates if it catches or gets tapped; it’s a good sounding board.
Wow! The new KICKR’s are quieter than the Neo. I’m pretty shocked compared to the last gen comparison.
I don’t like the noise of the tacx in your opinion in the 2024 trainers which one has the best feel/noise?
Hi dcrainmaker a kickr 1 vs kickr 2 vs kickr 3 vs kickr core noise in same video would be awesome! Of course if you have them all still :)
But how Munch resonans does it push through the floor. If any.
Okay - i am here obviously to to be the 1st viewer after the first 40k to ask you a question - would you pay an extra 150 USD to get a NEO instead of a Kickr CORE?
I'm stuck between buying a kickr and a kickr core at the moment. Will be using either one for Zwift winter training. Essentially if I purchase a kickr core, a bluetooth cadence sensor and a casette will I have a pretty similar set up to the kickr but saving a bit of cash?
TIA for anyone who can give some advice here.
I'm interested in a response too.
@kvnlim7 - I bought the core and it's fantastic. I can only put out 1100 watts at the moment so the more 'powerful' unit is probably unnecessary for a lot of folks out there. A cassette and a cadence sensor are both needed.
bluemystic7501 are you happy with your purchase?? I’m thinking about buying the core or another similar one, may be tacx flux 2 or direto X. What do you think ?? Thanks in advance
The Kickr Core.for the money looks like a winner.
@DCRainmaker thank you that was very helpful.
Is that your main bike? Your shoulder are in front and position looks like streched to me. 1cm shorter (or2cm) stem may be better to brewent future shoulder pains. Have you use to this position and its more aero and have no issues with that?
Yeah, I keep meaning to pull out the bike fit app and toy with things a bit. It's most definitely not right yet. :-/
Thank you Ray for the review👍
bought a tacx neo, had dreaded grinding wheel sound out of the box, then didn't fit sram force 22 WiFLi rear derailleur. Great vid though super helpful!
Its really important to muffle the higher frequencies. That lowers the perception of noise. I build a muffler for my magnus.
I've noticed on my Core that 35km/h plus it does make a kind of high pitched whine, it doesn't really bother me as its way quieter than my old trainer which sounded like a washing machine plus I'm usually wearing earphones. But, I wouldn't say it was silent, quiet yes, silent no.
Hello Ray, Do you know if something new is coming from Wahoo?
I have a strong vibration at the kicks, normal?
That comes in so handy, just about to buy a trainer within the next week.
Any doubts about buying a 2nd hand Tacx Neo Smart?
Thank you!
Ray great realistic sound review!! So what’s that platform the set up was on? Keep to know more about it, would love to purchase it!
My KICKR18 made scraping noises right out of the box but other than that its hums loudly when creating resistance but other than that its silent.
Hi !nice video,just one more question .does the tacx neo and kickr climb can work in the same time?
Interesting but not total sound test. Was not a sprint with leg speed like that would like to have heard it really wound up to hear if there was a point where a louder sound came in . be OK for average work out . Thanks anyway it gives an idea of difference
The camera didn’t do its justice! I have the Wahoo Kcker and that thing makes a winding noise! I live in a second floor of a house and my Landloard in the first floor and he knocked on my door to tell me that that machine is loud and it’s loud
Do you have the KICKR 2018 or an older one?
I’m curious too! The one in this video is quiet!
The Tacx Neo is louder because the design echoes through it's hollow belly on the wooden board it is standing on. If you had put it on a rubber mat, it would have been the most silent of all because it has the least moving parts.
What is the rocker plate your using - it looks great ?
It's a prototype of the CycleOps Rocker Plate: czcams.com/video/bAB67DiNE9I/video.html
R.I.P Tacx
what about the rocker base???
I have a knocking sound on my brand new Kickr18, similar to the Neo but louder. Anyone else? Did you fix it somehow? It seems like I feel it through the pedals, 1x per rotation. I tried two different well-maintained bikes and had the same issue.
Any idea when the core is going to be available in north america (specifically Canada)?
Nice comparison between those 3 trainers! But I get really back pain looking at the wrong position you are sitting on the bike.. your hips are almost vertical, your arms are completely stretched, and your back is really rounded too much... oh my god.. all of this will cause back pain :-(
Thanks for the comparison Ray!
Do you know which one is the best in terms of minimizing vibrations through the floor? I borrowed a kickr (‘16 or ‘17 model I think) and the wirring noise isn’t too loud but It did vibrate my Appartment floor a bit even though it was on a couple inches of foam. The neighbour downstairs isn’t home at the moment so can’t know if he heard anything. But I’m suspecting the lack of flywheel in the Neo would make it vibrate less and be better for 4th floor apartments with wooden floors...?
Don't make that assumption per default. As I wrote on this thread as well, I borrowed a Neo and the vibrations from that one was much more pronounced than from my Kickr 1.gen. (It was also a 1.gen Neo, and I've never tried other Neos, so I cannot tell if that Neo is any different from others)
Asger H J interesting. Thanks for the tip. That’s kinda why I’d like Rays input since he’s friend then all. But I’ll take it into consideration
Kind of seems like the Tacx has a knocking sound
Yeah, I think it's actually in my bike. I've been trying to figure it out the last few weeks. Seems to be super specific to a certain RPM/rocking/something. Happens inside and out. I suspect something in the bottom bracket.
Are you comfortable on your bike?? Your saddle position looks out of place.
Nope, it was horrible. :) I had let a DCR Reader ride it the day before as I'm having people come in and do some tests on a new power meter, and totally forgot to re-adjust it afterwards. Doh!
Wow, the Kickr Climb stacked on top of the Rocker Platform actually looks sketchy to me. No idea if it is, but it looks it.
Your Neo review is nearly three years old, is this because not much has changed? I found that odd bearing in mind you said that it was the ‘leader’.
I’m looking to upgrade a 4 year old Bkool Pro so was looking at kickr or Neo, not too concerned about cost as this will not be changed for a number of years so I want to get it right. Is the road feel bit of the Neo a gimmick or does it get you a bit closer to a real road feel?
Love the idea of that base!
Nuttin' has changed. In the case of the Neo they slightly tweaked the external case design in summer 2017 just to address bikes with different disc brake configurations. But otherwise, same-same. Funny how well it's stood the test of time.
DC Rainmaker ok thanks, good case of if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it then..
This leads me to another question for you.
Not considering cost, which would you go for - Neo or Kickr core + climb? I live in Middle East so need to train inside a lot of the year, opposite problem to most :)
DC Rainmaker I don't know man... I had a 2016 Neo replaced with a 2018 one (warranty issue) and it doesn't have the high pitched noise you could hear on your video, which my 2016 one did at high RPMs. They also changed the freehub. Tacx definitely changed SOMETHING.
Most of the changes you describe were more production/manuf changes. They did a lot of little random things like tweaking how they grease stuff and some minor components. But they didn't rev the numbers. The Tacx Flux is actually a good example of that. If you compare a Flux 2 to a Flux 1 to a Flux 1 from 2 years ago, the Flux 1 original to Flux 1 now is actually a fair bit different. It's almost entirely stuff consumers wouldn't notice (except when Tacx screwed up in manuf), but is more things to maintain better service.
RE: KICKR/CLIMB vs NEO: I don't know, that's a tough one. I actually really like the cobblestones and driving forward feel of the Neo. But I also kinda like the CLIMB. I think in some ways I still like the Neo better, potentially just cause I have this inherent trust on the accuracy numbers. It always JUST WORKS. Oh, and it doesn't require power.
Is the kickr core quit en good?
Sweet shades bruh. 😜
Sick Pedal Mafia kit!
When you put up the price of the Climb it said “Climb Price” on the right but “Climb Prime” on the left! Autocorrect error?
Fudge! And I even changed it once too. Doh, missed it on the second one. Or...maybe it was on purpose. :)
KICKR 2018 - the quietest
KICKR CORE - humming but less than TACX
TACX NEO - knocking and humming
Curious about that fan
Nice- just one question: what is the black "patent pending" moving platform that your bikes stand on? Looks interesting!
Here ya go: czcams.com/video/bAB67DiNE9I/video.html
How does the sound of the 2018 Kickr compare to the 2017 Kickr (which I already thought was pretty quiet).
Both DesFit and GPLama did a good side by side. Here's Desfit: czcams.com/video/ebyvOx2pEuI/video.html and here's Lama's: czcams.com/video/X09mAhzfi-0/video.html - My video is still in my...uhh...editing to-do list.
I’ve been thinking about getting a direct drive trainer, but I’ve had one question I’ve not been able to get answer for. I wasn’t to use my direct drive trainer as a progressive resistance trainer, the harder I pedal, the more resistance I get. I don’t want the resistance to be controlled in a “smart” way. Do these trainers come with an option like that?
Yup, resistance controlled trainers have a few modes, but the two biggies are: ERG mode and SIM mode. In Erg mode it's for a set wattage (i.e. 250w), whereas in Sim (short for simulation), it's a set incline level - i.e. 6%. In this video the trainer was effectively in sim mode on a 'flat' road (0%), so it reacted the same as your trainer where I had to change gearing to go harder.
Wonder if it makes sense to swap my KickR 2016 against a KickR Core 🤔
Purely depends on sound and how much you care. If you don't mind your sound, the feel/etc will be all the same (except it won't work with CLIMB). You might be surprised how much you can get for the 2016 one if you sell it off. Probably not too much lower than the CORE price.
Bike fit Ray!
What is that 'chaos' creator on The bottom of your setup?
Here ya go: czcams.com/video/bAB67DiNE9I/video.html
Do you find there’s a slight churning sound coming from the flywheel area? Just got a 2018 and trying to get a sense of how silent “silent” should be. There are of course moving parts so some sound is expected, and it’s a lot quieter than my wheel on trainer.
You might hear a tiny little bit - but you shouldn't hear much. Meaning, it shouldn't be any louder than your drivetrain. Can't think of another sound to compare it again, but I roughly know what you mean.
DC Rainmaker thanks for the quick reply!
What was the song at the end of this video? I tried to follow your link in the description could couldn't find it. Thank you.
In it, Kadant Feat Nahra
@@michaelmulder2523 Thanks! I'm glad I checked replies a year later
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Which one would you buy if you didn’t have one?
Easy, KICKR CORE.
DC Rainmaker kickr core, tacx flux 2 or direto X ?? Thanks
@@Dcrainmaker You made my choice much easier, I was about to get the Kickr and then realized that within my cycling capabilities (only one year cycling) the core is more than sufficient for my training :D
I guess there is no love of making the classic wheel-roller trainers silent? Because of its nature?
Yeah, I think general loss of love for a few reasons. First is of course the noise issue, but second is actually just that with a wheel-on trainer you need to calibrate more often because you have to account for tire pressure) - direct drive doesn't need to, and some trainers like the Tacx Neo never need calibration (don't even have the option). And then finally there's the lack of slip issue that wheel-on trainers can have. I suspect we'll continue to see direct-drive trainers push lower and lower, likely down into the $400 range in the next couple years.
Core was the quietest
....wow, you need a serious bike FITTINF ASAP! Your back it s looks like a perfect C shape when you r on your hoods!
The kicker core has bearing problems causing awful noises and abnormal vibrations. Please don’t promote a bad product. Just help protect customer rights. Wahoo acknowledge faults and do not provide feasible solutions
Neo has this annoying noise " wuuuuuuuuuuuuu" , I would go with Wahoo either Core or Kickr
That seating position hurts my spine 😖
Stem is bit too long for you.
He needs a bike fit.
Slow down man!! And speak properly!!!
Why did you waste your time to find which one is more silent. It is not what a trainer is made for. I do not understand !!!!!!!!!
People live in apartments and want to train without upsetting their neighbors? Or significant others who work nights and need sleep? Or...? Many reasons why this can matter a lot.