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We of the hip hop community need to start to differentiate rapping vs emceeing. One of the biggest misconceptions is rap is an element of hip hop which is incorrect. EMCEEING is an element of hip hop. I think there's been a huge confusion due to rap being dominant in hip hop music today that people forgot what an MC truly mean or what they actually do. Drake is a rapper. He's a recording artist who makes music based off what's popular, trending or fan service. Yasiin bey AKA Mos Def is an MC through and through. He doesn't care what the algorithm suggests. He goes off how he feels and makes the number one objective to move thr crowd by any means through the microphone. So it's never formulaic or pasted together in his performance. It's always organic and reactionary to how the vibe of his audience. Him and the audience bond in a reciprocal relationship where him gives and they respond and give back. Emceeing is special in that way. It's not having a set playlist and karaoke your own songs onstage, with voice overs especially. Never that. It's the ultimate freelance performance with yourself and the DJ to the crowd.
Scary hours 3
Well said.
In the words of Ortiz "I ain't gon' lie, a lot of this is hard to take
I'm watchin' 'em praise the 'okay' and overlook the 'great'
I'm not sayin' that they ain't straight
I'm just sayin' that..nevermind, no matter what they gon' turn this shit into hate"
Months late to this but I definitely heard about it when it happened because it reinforced my distaste for Drake when he went off about some early 00’s bs and called Yasiin a crackhead in response. I really think this incident was the tipping point for the folks who had been tolerating Drake bc he was good at club hits. Black on Both Sides by Mos Def (aka Yasiin Bey) is one of my favorite albums and if you don’t understand why Yasiin feels it important to differentiate the difference between making a hit and having a message- you should consider checking that album out or giving it another listen. ‘New World Water’ was written 25 years ago and is more relevant today, sadly bc no one took heed of the message, than it was when released.
Really appreciated this discussion as you two understood that it wasn’t about tearing anyone down for being popular, but about the fact that music that is comfortable to the masses is somewhat antithetical to the culture that hip hop is meant to reflect. There is nothing wrong with pop music and Drake wouldn’t have the numbers that he feels so validated by if he wasn’t producing pop music. A LOT of people want something consumable and enjoyable to listen to, that they can decompress to or get hyped up by- it serves a necessary purpose and isn’t ’less than’… just in a different lane.
Yasiin was giving an honest answer and didn’t deserve the petty response from Drake which caused a flood of harassment to follow from all of the Drake minions. And for Drake to target Yasiin’s 18yo daughter, following her social media’s as some sort of payback… it’s foul. He’s learned nothing from his recent public flogging.
I think for Mos Def, Hip-Hop isn't just about music, it's also an activism minded movement. I think Drake has made hip-hop influenced music but he has clearly been moving away from it. Drake himself has said, "I would have all of your fans if i didn't go pop and i stayed on some concious sh*t"... that just emphasizes Mos Def's point.
Pretty much completely agree. Drake's known for the "pop" music more than anything. Even when he raps it feels like it's (usually) with pop-substance. I don't think we have a clear face of hiphop right now since kendrick is so inactive but in a few years I think it will be JID. Talent wise he's already there
Kendrick is pop too mate. Pop isn't a music genre
@@2010josem lol
@@2010josemK Dot can tap into that, but 95% is straight knowledge
Wtf is straight knowledge. Hes last album he waa rapping about hes aunty being a man now. What knowledge is that
salute for mentioning JID, this guy too elite
I immediately think of AYO by Coast. Exactly what Eric was talking about.
Yasiin Bey being around the birthplace during the conception of HipHop, then being one of the strongest forces in HipHop, then branching out to other genres… it’s hard to argue against his stance on who/what HipHop is or isn’t, regardless of how I may feel about it.
No matter what we may personally believe, Drake has been the face of hip hop and entry point of rap music for majority of its audience for many years... If Drake is pop then it's a shame to the hip hop artists that he has been dominating in their genre for 10+ years.... He's def both hip hop & pop, but it looks like what Eminem said is coming true - he's been winning for so long, outlasted, outcharted, outperformed, and succeeded more than any hip hop artist & rapper.... So they gotta hate and wish he would fail, so they'll get some closure & be right for once.
He dominates BECAUSE he branches into pop, unlike hip hop artists who exclusively make hip hop. By having a hand in both areas, he covers more ground, making his hip hop more popular to pop audienecs and his pop interesting to hip hop fans.
Couldn't have said it better
None of what Mos said was “hate” though, nor did he say Drake wasn’t hip hop, he said he’s “pop to him”. And then branched into a greater point on these not being the kinds of artists who will create the music that will help us through the dark times he forsees. Bc that’s what hip hop was founded on.
@Ty-zd9pz 'shopping with an edge' definition of a sneak diss.. Drake music is like Kanye's these are the keys of self esteem
@randypage26 shopping with an edge is exactly what Drake is. You're gonna hear Drake's voice in a shopping plaza eons before you'll hear like Conway.
I think JID is also on his way to being a contender for the face of Hip Hop honestly
JID is in his 30s bro
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47what does that have to do with anything?
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47 Hip-hop culture is 50...
@@raffert_zuko2099 When was the last time a 30* year old MC became the face of HipHop? There will be a younger artist carrying the torch, definitely not JID
@@darknebula11 I know. But the torch bearers are always younger and relatively close to the main demographic. Kendrick was 24 when he dropped Section 80 and GKMC
Y’all need a weekly podcast fr fr
WAYNE IS WAYNE 😂😂 13:15
Your content is great, ive learned so much more about hip hop by watching yall. GOATS
J. Cole is the face of hip hop rn. I'll die on that hill
I hate this discourse so much. These genre debates rarely go anywhere: they’re unproductive.
1. Mos Def was condescending asl with the shopping comments - he knew what he was doing. He spoke like a true purist, shaking his fist at the commercialisation of the genre.
2. Concious rap, Gangsta Rap, Emo Rap, Melodic Rap & Pop Rap, trap, drill etc., all fall under the umbrella of Hip-Hop. We gotta stop the gatekeeping y’all. Now you have French hiphop, Korean hip hop, Greek hiphop: damn near every country on earth has its own hip-hop scene now in its local language. But Drake can’t be hip-hop? Hmm.🧐
3. Half-joking but Mos seems like the type to gatekeep and say hip-hop belongs to New York and anything happening elsewhere isn’t _the true essence_ or something snobby or pretentious like that. 🙄 I’ve met so many New Yorkers with this attitude. They want to gatekeep hip-hop so much, I find it bizarre. It’s almost as if admitting hip-hop is global means conceding that you can’t control how it’s defined anymore. To me, they’re living in denial. They can gatekeep and make delineations all they like, just know the rest of the world isn’t and will label Drake Hip-Hop regardless of what you say. 🤷🏾♂️
THANK YOU
As a 41 year old Hip Hop fan who’s from NY, I use to have this outlook when I was younger. The shit that was commercial wasn’t “real Hip Hop”. I grew out of that and totally agree that Hip Hop has expanded into so much more compared to how it started. I think a lot of the confusion stems from the different definitions that people have of Hip Hop. You could say that Hip Hop is the broader culture and rap is simply the musical component. If that’s the case, Drake would still be considered Hip Hop because he’s a rapper. I don’t think the type of rapping or sound dictates whether something is Hip Hop or not. Wu Tang is Hip Hop but Kendrick is not because he has a different and more modern take? It doesn’t make any sense.
How is Mos gatekeeping bro? Dude literally co-signed Kanye when nobody else wanted to. He also is a fan of Rocky, Tyler and many other artists, that actually gaf about their art. Aubrey is soulless and has no substance whatsoever. Stop it.
Aubrey is a culture vulture who cosplays as a gangster at this point
@@ArmLegLegArmHead47 It’s extremely uncharitable to imply Drake has never made a song with substance in the last 15 years but thanks for sharing your opinion. Mos saying hiphop’s biggest star for the last decade is “Pop to him” feels like an attempt to retroactively push Drake out of a genre he spent 15 years reshaping in his own image. We get it, corporations, white America and the wider world loves Drake, but why attack commerciality? Why not acknowledge the role commercial hiphop serves as a gateway and /or entry point into Hip-Hop for a *global* audience? *Accessibility is a good thing!* Who sees accessibility as a bad thing?…the ‘noses in the air’, _“you can’t sit with us”_ music snobs, purists, gatekeepers and anti-consumerists. That’s who. 🤷🏾♂️
These debates aren’t even unique to hip-hop btw, these conversations happen in Rock music with their purists too. Whether it’s in rock or hiphop, I find the debates equally fruitless.
I agree with what your a implying cool WHERE IS AND WHAT IS THE MESSAGE THO?
He is neither a rapper or a singer. He is an actor. He fooling y’all. Why do you think his voice comes across so elegant, personal, and touching? Because he is an actor 😊
Had to come back to this after everything that’s happened recently lol. I’m very interested to hear Mos Def’s perspective now
All right lads? After this, what about reacting to Mos Def's classic track 'Hip Hop'? Gives you a better idea of what he's about.
dope suggestion
Drake is significantly closer to Vanilla Ice than Kendrick. The difference is his skill as a rapper and his ability to ride every wave in existence. Hes almost 40 running with 22 year olds.
foh thats just hate
why can’t drake rap with the youth
@DesignzRUs How? Drake literally just did some weird shit with yeet. Greats don't chase waves like that.
just because its weird to you doesnt mean its weird. Yall didnt say shit when Kendrick did a song with Taylor swift. Whats weird is yall ignoring the man put out a ep full of boombap . @@Matthew-cl6ny
@@papleylivesrentfreeinurhead because he's a grown man trying to hang on to being cool. It just looks and sounds weird musically.
LMAO this aged well!! Yall i went back and listened to Mos Def and his music is still relevant today!
Prince is such an amazing person. I know soo many people who would’ve been very stubborn and petty in the discussion/debate, but he really tries to understand and agree. Luh yuh prince
both of them are well-minded individuals, it’s always great to catch up with their vids.
Can you guys do Fly Away with J.I.D , Ski Mask, and Sheck Wes PLEASEEE
"Wayne is Wayne" enough said
i'll just say Drake doesnt first come to mind when i want to listen to rap
Being Hip Hop (from what Mos is talking about) has nothing to do with the genre of music. Its the goal of the music. Before, people got into Hip Hop to talk about their circumstances, put a spotlight on their situations. Think NWA, on the surface it was Gangsta Rap music, but all there were doing was letting the world know people are fucked up in their hood. Mos is saying Drake raps but he has no message in his music. Theres no overall goal or call to action. Rapping is not equal to Hip Hop the culture. I think thats the confusion here.
Mos basically just saying Drake's music is vapid. It never pushes things that matter overall (outside of the music business)
Least thats how I'm taking it
dude hiphop started as dance music not nwa. The goal was to party. Yall cant tell a rapper what to rap about and try to gatekeep. Wether its soulja boy cranking that or Nas rapping about his block, Its all hiphop
Not all rap has to be message filled. Crank that by soulja boy is hiphop. What message is in that
Never heard 0 to 100 in a shopping mall😅
word 😂
You need to watch the rest. Theres so much more that he says that breaks it down to wayyyyy more about the social contructs and how hip hop should affect in a disruptive way.
Yall should watch the second clip they released. He went in more on the collapse portion
I saw that interview. That was awesome. I was laughing so hard
Hip-Hop and Rap aren't synonymous. Hip-Hop is substance, storytelling and social commentary.Rap is braggadocio, ego-driven, or viciously violent. Conscious Rap is a descendant of Hip-Hop directly while Gangsta & Trap were born from drug dealing and violence. This is not to say that the two do not crossover but they have different shapes and go to different spaces.
So, yeah! Drake IS Pop, but Rap is now Pop.
this is why I've always said Drake is one of my favorite ARTISTS, but I don't particular think he can be considered my favorite RAPPER
… what do you mean bro 😂
@@mopar_keys there’s a difference between being an artist, who is just one who makes music and a rapper whose specifically gifted in rap/hip-hop. drake’s discography isn’t hip-hop or rap specific at all but he makes amazing music. while there’s some rappers who are just better at rapping than him and focus their craft on just that
YES Mos Def is correct!
Personally I think Drake is just Drake. He's so diverse in terms of genre that its hard to put him in certain genres. From take care alone you could draw out at least 3 genres (Pop, Rap & R&B) so I'd say he's an anomaly. He fits that genre for that moment then goes to do something different. How Mos Def put it was condescending and had a purist stance. And I get it, he's strictly hip hop so from his stand point Drake isn't hip hop.
couldn’t have said it better 📌
Can anyone explain the sub-genre culture of other music genres? I’m aware of heavy metal vs light rock, old country vs new country etc. Though does any other genre get subdivided as much as rap?
Yes, heavy metal has things like viking metal, screamo, grindcore, math metal, black metal, prog metal it goes crazy everywhere.
Electronic music has many many subgenres, same with metal. sort of inevitably happens when a genre gets big and exists for a long time
Yeah, there's a ton for a lot of genres. EDM has like techno, Drum&Bass, house, dubstep, trance, jungle, etc.
Country can go into bluegrass, folk, progressive, honky-tonk etc. From like...Sheryl Crow & Sarah Jarosz, to Robert Johnson or Hank Williams.
You got Jazz, smooth jazz, classical jazz, blues, afrobeat, free form jazz, etc...
@@Matthew-cl6ny Damn, I’ve only ever heard of screamo.
@@morkmon Thats a great point
I’m 44.For a true fans of traditional hip hop some will say Rakim , Nas Jayz,maybe Krs depending on your age.If PAC or Big was hear who to say.But all of these Mc are respected by there peers lyrically ,talk about da hood in a positive and negative way. It’s the look, confidence, relatability ,charisma,slang,education within the lyrics in the form of poetry, Something’s of the main ingredients to be considered a hiphop artist .With that said if you’re talking now it would probably be Cole because he’s younger than those I named and things change with time.But my own personal opinion it’s Nas or Jay
He’s a great rapper but he is pop. That’s ok he chose to venture into all these genres and make pop songs like gods plan, toosie slide etc.
I love Drake, and I got a handful of songs off his last three albums still in my regular rotation, and Scorpion is one of my all time favorite albums. But I will say, when Mosdef said he isn't hip hop I thought "well I've been wrong apparently". Mosdef is a national treasure as far as I'm concerned. Don't get me wrong I'll still be bumping Drake, I just re-filed Scorpion in my phones music catalog under "miscellaneous" after hearing Mosdef, who's a God damn superhero and can say whatever he wants... I'm being a little sarcastic with the re filing Drake's music part, but truth is I just wouldn't love rap music the way I do if it weren't for growing up with Mosdef.
hip-hop is culture, pop is culture. rap is an instrument (which mostly is used in hip-hop, but not only)
One of the biggest foundation of Hip Hop is battle rap. Drake is heavily involved in battle rap community and putting together battle rap events. Drake has skipped big award shows to hosts battle rap events and said that they are more important than making records, because it's the rawest forms of Hip Hop. Drake himself is also proven in the art of battle rap. How many battles have Kendrick and J Cole been in? Drake's first project "Room For Improvement"(2006) is straight boom bap/backpack rap no singing at all. Mos Def called out rappers to battle back in 2015( Drake being one of them) and backed down when Lupe stepped up that's not Hip Hop. The way an emcee had to get respect or recognized for being an emcee in the beginning of Hip Hop was through battling other emcees. That's why when "Rapper's Delight" came out Cold Crush Brothers etc. said their not Hip Hop because these were rappers weren't battle tested. See making records was foreign to the pioneer emcees and battling was the proof of your Hip Hop card. So to say Drake ain't Hip Hop when he's the biggest supporter and contributor of battle rap which is the rawest form of Hip Hop is ridiculous.
yall needa react to Black On Both Sides by Mos, the intro lays out what hiphop is and where its going
If you wanna make people dance and party all day cool but there is a difference between that and having a powerful message but if that’s means nothing then you got it
I'm not a businessman I'm a business man, Sound pretty product-y too. Plus he has often set he's in it for commercial success and hits and not substance. Made 5 mil, haven't been rhyming like Common since.. Mainstream enough to be in the top 10 people with the most Grammy wins, well above some of the biggest pop acts while 'real' hip hop never seems to be awarded properly.. So, what we saying? Jay-Z is not hip-hop? 😉
This is the difference. Jay-Z addresses the societal ills that created him. That's what Hip Hop does. Listen to his entire Renegade verse. Part of the mission of Hip Hop is to shine a light on parts of society that mainstream America wants to ignore.
@@whattevaman Yeah, not saying Jay-Z isn't hip-hop btw. Just think he's in a interesting place when it comes to this discussion. What Prince was saying too, he wouldn't put Drake as the face of hip-hop while Jay-Z embodies that a lot more while also still being commercially minded!
yes he is correct
Thank you, thank you, thank you ... This was by far the best discussion of what yasiin bey said! He is saying hip hop is for the people in steerage class on the Titanic, while Drake is conducting the orchestra on the top deck while the ship is sinking. What message are you giving to the people who need it. You are right. He can be rap but he cannot be the face of hip hop. And by the way this argument has gone on for 50 years. It's good for the culture. It makes us be intentional about who and what defines us. Keep up the critical thinking gentlemen!
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Drake is rap
Drake is pop as well.
If you don't even write your own lyrics you ain't a rapper in a first place
Buckles not buckling is old school rap and the new school carti type rap. What will forever buckle is rap with melody and that's Drake tbh
Common was asked about his comments on hot97 the other day and defended Drake, says Drake's hip hop and he considers him an MC... I think of Common and Mosdef as being joined at the hip, they've been close a long time, ive seen them both live twice at the same two shows back in highschool and shortly after, cause they used to always tour with each other... Anyway, for what its worth Common came to Drakes defense
For me He was rapper now he is Pop artist
Rap is the music. Hip-hop is the culture.
The dictionary def of an Emcee (MC) is a master of ceremonies; so is this word being Urban Dictionaried to define lyricists? I dont understand Hip Hops culture and the need to delineate between a Rapper and an Emcee…. This conversation that MosDef is having, while thoroughly engaging for some, seems belittling to me; its as if Drake has never stated something in any of his songs that real people can relate to, and that Underground artists are somehow the ordained ministers of Conscious Thought. Its so counterproductive and i detest it, because it reinforces- to me- that when "this culture" (the fans and creators) could be building one another up, supporting people whos lives are being changed from the success of those making it, we treat one another like hyenas, and cannibalize our own.
Drake has not made A lot of music that I like. Back in the day when people would make fun of him and say he wasn't hip, hop he was hip-hop. But he strayed away from it so much throughout his entire career. I could never compare him to other hip hop artist. It's like how Kesha is rat cause technically. She raps but we know there's a difference or like post malone. But like how I could agree Drake raps better logic but logic way more hip hop. when we talking about a face hip hop I truly believe that JID and Denzel curry. Drake has A lot of music that he would have to come out with to ever be considered in the hip hop again to me.
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I definitely think Yasiin Bey aka Mos Def was trolling a bit. He was saying it in a negative connotation but I think Drake is one of the first to be able to toe both lines.
Most times, when rappers want to get a lot bigger they go from rap and go more into pop and start the crossover. Crossover. When Drake came out he was already straddling both lines but started out as a rapper with Nicki Minaj and Lil Wayne. That was his main thing. He was singing his own hooks. He found out that that formula of making it more pop oriented is how you make his and that's what makes him pop which is popular.
He's not hip hop because I wouldn't say he really talks about anything that sticks with you or teaches you a lesson or anything. I think the discussion is about his content and substance. But he's definitely trendy, starts trends and starts phrases that people say so. He's a trendsetter
The face of hip hop is probably J.Cole or Kendrick as they embody hip hop the most with commercial success
this aged so well
If Drake is not hip-hop, then let me know whatcare you top ten hip hop songs?
Bottom line...
Hip hop is a culture based on politics, struggles, self improvement & spirituality (inner)
Pop is a culture in itself based on commercialized consumerism
Drake is a rapper that uses the hip hop culture to preach a commercialized message...
It’s so wrong to say that Hip-Hop should be conveyed from point of view were you just point out the negative things that are going on in the world because in that same world there also some positive things that are happening. Take Africa for example, when BBC News is showing Africa they only show you the villages, people struggling and all that when there are Lamborghini’s & Ferrari’s, People with huge mansions and Halls but when they’re showing America they show Calabasas and Beverly Hills. So the Hip Hop you’re talking about is like BBC News they only show you the status of Africa that is drenched in poverty and outbreaks but never the one were people stay in gated communities. J Cole on false prophets said “life is a balance” , that is to say it’s not all negative nor is it all positive. And Nas said “ a baby is born the same time a man is murdered, the beginning and end” of which J Cole quotes on Let Nas Down, a person is being born and another is dying, one loses a job and another gets a job, sometimes it’s night and sometimes it’s day. What you’re saying is that hip hop is one that only talks about night, people dying & losing jobs, how about the one that talks about day, people being born and gaining jobs. That being said just because Drake has never gone on a Mike and talked about that person that got shot on the streets or that person that lost their job, doesn’t mean he is not hip hop because on that same street someone is celebrating their birthday, just got a job or fell in love, whose gonna preach for them. Hip Hop shouldn’t be BBC News only showing Africa that is drenched in poverty and war, and never the peaceful and prosperous Africa. Yes there are people that are poor in Arica but at the same time they are people that are rich too because life is a balance. Besides that, Kendrick and J Cole only gave us KOD and Damn and went ghost. Drake gave us beef with Meek Mill, Pusha T & Common, his sparring with Kendrick, Jay Z, Joe Budden & Kanye. Hip Hop needed that. Now what do we have Gunna ratting, Tekashi ratting. And on top of that he gave us If you’re reading this & nothing was the same. He has done so much for hip hop to discredit him like that.
Sincere is the face of hip-hop.
Drake fell off, not in numbers, but in quality
nowadays he just do a bunch of "tiktokable" songs, put it together and call it an album.
he still makes great songs, but 5 good songs in a album with 23 s9ngs is crazy. The same with CLB, half of the album is dispensable.
Drake makes easy music: easy to do, easy do listen to, easy to chart
This right here. Perfect way to describe it. That's why Scary Hours 3 to me is his best shit in YEARS 👌🏻💯
Drakes a rapper and a singer both things are hiphop what are we talkin bout ? 🤦🏾♂️🤔
😅
The foundation of hip-hop and rap correlates because back in the 70's and 80's when Black folks were just hanging out on the street with one another. Just bc someone raps doesn't mean that they're hip-hop. In order to be influential & well-renowned such as Drake, the artist has the ability to create a plethora of different styles of music & make it a pleasant experience for the listeners/audience. Drake is a rapper, an artist & is hiphop. Hence, why has been dominating the music industry for the last two decades & anyone claims that he can't rap or isn't a rapper, is just a hater fr. 😂 Mos def was throwing a little shade in this interview & that's what happens when you're #1, all the #2's, #3's & #685's etc. are envious & jealous of that #1's success 🏆🤷🏽♀️. lol why do you think Kanye lost his whole mind? bc his ego, jealousy & envious of Drizzy. 🦉 The statistics speak for themselves at the end of the day & well rlly show who's the most loved & the real goat 🐐 💯
You can hate on drake as much as you want but he is a rapper no matter what they are saying. In my ears that’s just hate nothing else. He might not be the BEST for everyone but he can rap ands that’s the truth
I think Drake is definitely pop, the lyrics, sounds, references are all made for the masses. I think to be Hip Hop your intended audience needs to be people who come from where you’re from or places like it, usually black people. Hip hop artists make music that reflects the attitudes, realities and lived experiences of people from these places. Drakes music for the most part doesn’t hit those places. He raps mostly about consumerism, vices and his personal life which are all fine to rap about but in hip hop people expect you to have something to say especially during times like these.
Drake is hip hop. Hip hop is different today than in the 90s and people don't wanna catch up. Drake makes pop, r&b, rap, and rap rap. He can go bar for bar with anyone stop disrespecting his pen game and rapping ability. Drake gives you 10 rap songs a year that are hip hop to its core, often out doing other hip hop artists
Drake try to go in the underground lane with Comeback season and he couldn’t rap alongside phonte or elzhi over a 9th wonder beat. He took phonte singing/rapping style from little brother as well. I like drake but educate yourself on hip hop.
Joe Budden was nicer in his critique of Drake and he chose to clown Joe back with a poem,all Joe did was tell Drake to "dictate",Mos is brutal here,or more brutal.
If you live long enough the hero will become the villain. Music has changed. The people on top are not really rapping. Drake took rapping further than anyone else and we’ve seen him change so many times in order to stay on top. Do you want to be critically acclaimed with some fame or paid?
5am in toronto, back to back, energy, worst behavior... i mean for me, drake is absoutely hiphop, how can this even be a question. Mos def is just stuck in the fucking 90's cuz he's an old boomer now, thats all. This is coming from a 43 year old myself.
Let's go deeper on it, does anyone question if kayne is hiphop? He's not much different to drake, does a lot of pop sounding music too.
That’s not the point Mos was trying to make it’s a little bigger than just Drake but it seems to went over everyone’s head but carry on.
I agree with what you guys said Drake can be considered as rap but not hip-hop
that makes zero sense. Hiphop is the culture, rap is a element of hiphop
@@DesignzRUshow u broke it down makes perfect sense. if rap is an element of hip hop then drake can be rap and not be hip hop. hip hop has many elements and not every artist reflects that
Slave hymns weren't popular, but to a few. This discussion is a slippery slope. At his core, Drake is popular. At his core, Black Thought is hip-hop. Locksmith, Royce, 3 Stacks, JID, K Dot...
Drake ain’t top 50 let’s talk about it
Would/can you sit her down at the same table as Rakim, Black Thought, Lupe, Aesop and Em? Nope 🤷
When you try to be political correct, you start stuttering and contradicting yourself. 50 cent, wayne, Eminem don't necessarily talk about what's going on in the world, does that make them pop?
If you think Drake is just pop, who is the pop artiste that you can liken to him? You can link him to more hiphop artistes than his pop peers.
If a rap song tops the chart, does that make it "popular music"?
Saying you can't put Drake as the face of hiphop but guess who has been the face of that in the past decade?
Saying Yasin Bey wasn't taking shots is totally untrue, target is known for being 'cheap', he was laughing while saying all those too. Demeanors don't lie
Drake is versatile and what yall are doing is trying to box him. You also have to know that he's not american, the lifestyle you expect from him is just projecting. Simply put he's both pop and hiphop
Well..most def needs to born another time at least to acomplish what drake has…
On Tuscan Leather Drake said “ on a mission tryna shift the culture”, and l can argue that we would all agree that he has shifted the culture. Yasin Bey is actually right to say that Drake is not hip hop cause he is more than just hip hop, rnb or pop. Rnb wise Ty Dolla Sign can’t even have a versus with Drake nor can Meek Mill with just rap. But just because Drake is not Hip Hop doesn’t mean he is not the greatest of all time.
6 in years
Someone bring KRS 1 into this. That’s Hip Hop
Lol they been tryna write Drake out of hip hop this is just the new we gotta kill Drake agenda
Or even Doctor Dre
I vote NAS
Nas is the face
Coast Contra is real hip hop
He missed me with the elite rapper label...
Don't get me wrong but drake's flow is uncanny but in terms of lyrics, technique and storytelling...
And the ghostwriter allegations??
He's good but i never put drake in the elite tier of rappers...with all due respect
Aubrey is "POP" ular... Is she not? Why are ppl freaking out over 1 man's opinion?
This guy probably doesn't even listen to drake enough to judge...he's coming from a point of ignorance
i agree but lowkey JID pushing 40
33 ain't pushing 40 man
How is Jcole hip-hop but Drake aint it makes no sense... how could you listen to scary hours 3 and say hes not that hip-hop IS pop culture lemon pepper freestyle middle of the ocean is better then %95 of rappers. Drake is one away from MJ so they gotta hate
You stopped Yasiin right as he was getting into the point tho…
Need a reaction to his actual message
IMO Hiphop and rap are synonymous. The orgin of hip hop includes DJing , rap, break dancing, and Mcing.What mos def is taking about is conscious rap.And that is not only thing that makes you hiphop.Hip hop is the culture surrounding the genre of rap.Drake is hip hop. It's unfortunate that he is discredited because of his success and versatility.
Drake is not an ELITE rapper. He's a good rapper but that's it
Its just pettyness. People who think they know what music is, what cultures is or can descide what it should contain. Like Drake makes 1 style of music? its a mix of Rnb rap spokenword with even house and afro etc etc. Wanting to say Drake is not hiphop, is like youre the gatekeeper and its pretentious.
I personally feel like Drake is the embodiment of mediocre, even in skill
You can rap and not be hip hop. Drake does not fit in the hip hop culture to me.
Drake is to hip hop as Taylor Swift is to country. I think Drakes ghost writer is Hip Hop.
To Daraes point:
HipHop is not Rap. Rap is a essential part of Hip Hop but not the only one. Rap is used in lots of other genres than hip hop where it originates.
Its the same as: Metal is not distorted guitars. Distorted guitars are an essential part of metal but do not make a song/band/artist metal, since they are used in a lot of other genres also. Or would you say Green Day is metal? I think not.
I fully agree that Drake is pop and not hip hop. Just because he raps and is edgy sometimes doesnt mean hes hip hop.
Drake is both pop and hiphop. But people don't like giving him his flowers in the hiphop scene.. Drake may not be the face of hiphop but he cannot be downplayed as a hiphop icon
Alot of what yall are calling pop is Drake singing. Singing ≠ pop music. He doesn’t make “pop” music hence hes not pop. Hes a rapper who just happens to be one of the most popular artists out . If that makes him a pop artist then kanye was pop.
Drake is a fraud. Hes so pop it's not dunny. Drake may rap but he's no emcee.
Face of hip hop right now is Wayne. Stop it.