I Was NOT Ready for Forza Motorsport Multiplayer
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2023
- Forza Motorsport multiplayer gameplay is quite an experience. Caught somewhere between arcade and sim, the experience is both fun and somewhat frustrating with a wheel.
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"Hello viewers, SuperErmz here" had me rollin' 😂
The Honda factory jokes are straight from super gt’s books lol this guy gets it
Now that's funny if y'all understand I'm sure Steve would also 😂
Same! I had a quick look thinking, did I click the wrong video?!?!
Lol
“We have SuperGT at home” 😂
Laguna Seca "Short" is actually the original layout before they added "Andretti" (for the most part, there are slight differences). This isn't an actual IRL option as the shortened part is currently an RV parking lot. This is the first time Forza has used this layout.
ERMZ. Despite all the sarcastic commentary, Multi-Player looks amazing!
Absolutely! This is definitely a new beginning for Forza. The GT fans knows every game has a few issues at release, because GT definitely had its share of issues..
I have dusted gamepad players with my racing sim wheel so I wouldn’t say it is the superior strat 😂 You might have to tune the car and/or get used to driving in Forza with your wheel.
Agreed! Plus most pad users use all assists.
@@ExOjInNas a pad user, i dissagree, i avoid using anything that isn't ABS, and now that i have my Elite Series 2 i can probably train myself to play without it
Same. Controller pleb here driving without any assists 😂 was using simulation steering for a while but it's a death sentence when someone is trying to rear bump.
@@ExOjInNThis is wrong, lol.
Nope use only one, abs and set to simulation on controller. Also adjusted deadzones
I’ve not seen anyone else having this issue or driving this car like that
That's what I was thinking: a very small sample size to come to his conclusions.
I've not seen powersliding become a meta.
It looks like he didnt change anything in the tune, since it is your own car you are driving you can change that
Yeah this is a tiny sample of what actually happens. Click bait.
@@kevinschneider181 i dont think you can tune the cars for spec events. the tune and upgrades are fixed and balanced
@@firyxxYou can tune your cars. But you have to be in online session first. It saves so don't worry.
With the Simcade nature of Forza, I play with a wheel, but ABS on and TC on sport. Seems to save the tires more too. Not trying to be a pro racer on here, just wanna have some fun!
I'm so tired of "simcade
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I as well drive with ABS and TC on sport. Seems to do alright so far.
Pro racers have both TC and ABS on, so you're good.
It’s not busting the rear out and “drifting”, it’s busting the rear out to get rotation to pivots the front in the direction you need to go, it’s an fwd car..
Right? Homie's talking about 'power oversteer' in a civic lol
@@jasonandrews7355 No it's not power over steer is the sense you are losing traction by hand brake turning or whatever, but FWD are obvs very understeer prone, so if you can manage to get the rear light when cornering, a bit like a rwd car you can pivot and get the car pointed in the direction before you get back on power so you aren't scrubbing the fronts so much and wasting time will dulled power whilst understeering. fwd hatchback cars can do this too if they're setup right
@@justamanchimpyeah always see that in touring car races 🤡
@@jakegrindrod9962 you do with the fastest drivers
lol it looked so funny how the front tires were burning and the tires in the back went "Hello? We're freezing back here!!!"
All your criticism before was fair. Sound does suck compared to what it should be but the multiplayer is overall fun. Can’t expect some issues as people are using controller mostly for this so there is going to be some bumping. Still, it’s a fun distraction between sim racing. They are trying to give you some flavor of race strategy in a short, compact form and I think it mostly works.
The multiplayer is good to me. Alot of whiners in this day and age
The multiplayer has a strong foundation. Could use some stats page and more info about drivers ratings and the tires they are on, but overall it is allot of fun.
@@adegbrs3838seriously. All these sim race reviewers are shitting on this game because it’s not the perfect game. Still fun and enjoyable as hell for 99% of people, even with a wherl
@@Matthew-rc1xtYou can criticize something without despising it, you should definitely work on separating the two! Feedback is extremely valuable for devs to be able to find tune the game as that's what live service is all about. Folks are just saying while it's a fun game it does unfortunately have some issues in that it's extremely difficult to drive in cockpit view and that the default tunes are strangely understeery. I think the biggest one for me is how I immediately realized that drifting is faster and somehow more tire efficient than just steering the car, which is bizarre and takes a bit out of the driving experience if I'm being honest.
@@stayingsonder exactly. There’s things that need work for sure. But people are going so hard at it, you would think Fallout76 just dropped or something
Honestly, I think that the physics in FM is pretty decent for a simcade and it’s worth playing with a wheel. If they will constantly be improving physics engine the game can be on par with other sims out there.
We can hope, but pragmatism leads me to not hold my breath whilst waiting.
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I'm having issues with FM with my G29. For whatever reason, it's spamming the accelerator. My Logi software is running as well. Pretty pissed I can't race with my wheel. It randomly started working after a graphics driver update, then the issue came back yesterday. :(
@@GalactusTheDestroyer You can check your drivers. Either updating them or just uninstalling the Logitech drivers/software then reinstalling? I'd do some Googling first.
they've said they consider FM to be a platform instead of just another entry, meaning they'll continue adding updates and new content over time
Regarding the arrows, if they have 3 shades of yellow, it means the car is close. Tip: look at the delta tab on the top left corner of the screen, if the guy is 0.2sec behind you he's no longer side by side. If he's 0.1, you will hit him if you go to his side of the track.
I know you’ve explained it and all, but it’s still terrible Ux for a ‘SIM’
@@bigaa753 it would be better if they used a radar like GT7
That would be so helpful honestly, I prefer driving in that pov but it’s really uncomfortable when driving around other players, but by yourself or when you’re chasing someone down it’s really good
That depends on the speed of your car and is not correct in general
second race was really thrilling, having this much battle on the race is extreme levels of fun to me
You should try turning OFF the Camera Motion Effects.
Also, you aren't braking much, trying to carry too much speed into the corners. Your braking input was like 10-20%
To be fair I’ve noticed on my pedals about 10% is optimal for whatever reason
Between dynamic weather and tire wear, there's a good bit of casual race strategy at play. I feel they've done a good job at making semi-realistic motorsport racing really fun. It's super fun when it starts to rain mid race and everyone has to slip slide to the pits to get new tires.
So I think the thing is that there’s an algorithm that decides how much steering angle you get with the gamepad based on your speed is dialed in to minimize understeer induced by adding too much steering angle. That doesn’t exist for a wheel/pedal setup, you have to do that all on your own.
Basically it is as you said, you were overdriving the car.
Racing with a controller is basically cheating since all the assists are turned ON.
@@MarquisDeSang you can turn off the assists. The assists all make you slower
@@michaelw6277he doesn’t mean the literal assists in the game. he’s talking about having perfect steering, (under steer / oversteer) with a game pad.( because it’s all done for you by a computer) unlike wheel/pedal setup.
@@man8122it’s not perfect, it still takes skill. Forza has always been a gamepad centric sim and changing that now seems unwise. There’s plenty of choice available if you prefer a wheel, but Forza is more or less it for gamepads.
@@man8122 Yes,there has always been 'help' for gamepad users in Forza games which as someone who used to play them extensively during the Forza 3/4 days I am well aware that faster times are from gamepad not wheel driving.
As leaderboard times confirm.
i did fine my first few races. this is a great intro to sim racing without full commitment which is what ive wanted . you may have your weird drivers but just keep your head down and drive . the physics have been fine .
You reviewed it without playing the multiplayer?
Quality content
I find the key to racing online is to drive like Jenson Button. Don't slide, keep everything controlled and use smooth movements to try and preserve your tyres as much as possible. You might be slow at the start, but as the race goes on you'll pick up places from the guys who've wrecked their tyres.
Loved all the SuperGT references, great video, the lads back at the Turn10 factory were pleased
In regards to proximity arrows, you just need to get used to it, they’re not too bad in my experience
the slipstream isn’t that magical, it’s just that guy must have tuned his car with too much downforce and lost his straight line speed
Yeah that was clear when they went 3 wide and that car got swamped. Don't know how he didn't recognise that it was the guys tune not slipstream
“Vastly superior game pad” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 great video men, keep them coming!
That is why Jacques Villeneuve destroyed everyone (using tripple screen with fanatec wheel) with his xbox controller on a laptop.
I love the constant sarcasm in the commentary through the whole video :D
"Arcane phobia"😂 but in all seriousness multiple player looks like a blast
You dont need to use a controller, you just need to tune the car and sim rig settings better. You are allowed to tune the multiplayer cars during practice sessions and before the race.
That looked extremely fun and competitive clean racing as well from your POV although who knows what the back end looked like lol
"Were here at the iconic Hokone circuit, no doubt its everyones favourite" 😂😂😂😂 outstanding!
I know you're nice and busy with your business and other passion projects, but I really miss your content. Always put out the best work in the sim space. Hope you aren't gone for good!
I made some really fast setups for the Honda TC Car. Got into the high 1:04.9's in quali anx 1.05.5's in race on Hacone. Only thing you gotta warch out for is rear heat over a long corner. All done on a wheel
This! Why are all these videos being made with untuned cars?
@@bukweat Yeah, like of course default setups are shit. There's so much understeer because beginners wont tune and need a easy to drive car. There's lots of time to find in the setup
Your tire scrubbing is probably because of the default tune if you didn't look into that at all. Even with no upgrades you should change the tire pressures. I don't know why but on most cars the default tire pressures are at crazy settings like 41psi on the fronts.
Having to close the entire game because they never thought of putting a cancel button when matchmaking freezes sucks so bad
"My kingdom for a radar" had me wheezing🤣🤣🤣
I have had at least 3 experiences where I was driving on a wheel (logitech g920) and I could preserve the tires longer than my friends who play on controller. I had my mediums and hards lasting at last 1.5 more laps than theirs. In one of the races that was even enough to prevent me from pitting at all. I believe you just need to adjust the driving style, breake and steer smoothly, without the tires screeching and they will last longer.
Maple syrup levels of sarcasm, absolutely love it.
I'm not sure what every camera angle is like but if you use cockpit or the "driver" view as I believe it's called, looking left and right has you look 90 degrees to that direction. That hood view seems to be a 45 degree look which isn't too helpful. Maybe the driver view would be a better choice for awareness.
Also while I agree that the proximity arrows are not the best, the 3 chevrons typically seem to indicate that you will collide with that car if you move over. While 2 and 1, chevron indicates a greater spacing and are clear. Of course the issue is that the indicators don't tell you how far or close the other car is, just that you will collide if you go too far in that direction.
I would very much appreciate a tuning guide from you. I've come across your channel just here in the last few days, and you seem extremely knowledgeable in racing sims/sim-lites. I'm trying out my first legitimate wheel setup as well, and have watched your wheel tuning video several times to dial my settings in, and as of last night, am finally content with them.
But when it comes to car tuning, I just don't have the base racing and car knowledge to make informed choices in the tuning menus.
I thought it was just me, been playing race sims for years but haven’t really figured out tuning
Raceboy77
Try his tunes. He's a fast racer and has leaderboard positions to prove it.
hell ye. MP is easily the most fun part of the game.
@ermz there's something up with your look left/right bindings. For me they look 90degrees left and right which would help you a lot with the blindspots you were experiencing, have a look in the control bindings to see what you can change there
Personally i LOVE multiplayer i rarely say that nowadays but it actually feels like a challenge to race on compared to single player. (Obvs) but not because of difficulty its cause of the safety rating compared to GT7 this is WAY better when you go down the safety (A class) then you really wanna be nice and get outta there cause its got the worst people which makes it better to play non dirty and improve i went from S tier safety to A Tier and back to S tier again and it was some of the best racing ever in terms of development of driving and corners to get the best lap and position in qualifying and the main race while Practice you can actually learn the corners and improve on laps
Maple valley is a prime example of How you can improve i have 1:30s most of the time now ive improved to 1:28-29 sometimes 1:27 if lucky with improvement to work on along side with cars useful for certain tracks like the Ford GT gt3 best for long straight aways and downforce while some require the acceleration this was also learned by watching other racers drive.. it just works also fuel to weight is great too its noticeable in the final lap hense stocking on fuel early on to get the downforce at the end (optional obvs)
did you have a tune on it? some tunes can increase tire wear.
The puns have me 😂
Nice video
I thought Hakone looked like a trash circuit when we saw it in previews, but that "Club" variant is actually pretty great for racing. It's basically ol' switcharoo city.
You are struggling with corner entry understeer because you are using ABS. ABS in this game just straightens the car car severely. Without ABS, you can modulate the brakes for trail braking and tap brakes for rotation, which is especially important in the touring cars so you don't have to overdrive your fronts to turn. You don't have to slide the car, but without ABS its much easier to rotate the car and create the larger slip angles FWD cars need on corner entry. Controllers really don't have an advantage that i've seen on that. Also manual with clutch is faster than straight manual with sequentually gear race transmission cars, and you don't have to use the clutch, except at the start.
edit: I realize that ABS wasn't lighting up, but it still has an affect. I noticed immediately how much easier it was to trail brake without ABS. You can brake pretty hard without locking up on high aero racecars, at least with fresh tires. It's pretty easy to feel when you lock up.
57 seconds is a good lap on Oak Park, my current best with the Honda with a few mods in A class and a lot of laps is a second slower. My first couple of races played out like yours albeit in lower positions and at a slower pace. I think there are ai bots in those early events. Later I was sometimes only against 4 or 5 cars and could get on the podium on tracks that I'd never seen before when matched against my own low skill level. I have got the top S safety rating though, so that's an achievement of sorts.
Maybe you should try the gamepad since it is an arcade game Ermz. Be funny if you just blow the doors off everyone playing that way. It definitely helps when you have knowledge of the track layout. You proved that in a dominant fashion at Laguna Seca.
LOOOOL the first 'cardinal sin, drifting'
I tried the Civic race last night and must say I absolutely loved the MP format.
Anybody remember when this channel's name was erminhamsandwich?
Was the fov maxed? It can help with surround awareness.
"SuperErmz here," and "The guys at the Honda factory," had me in stitches. Aside, are you sure you want to leap to the ultimate sim experience with a gamepad? Honestly, I don't know if you're ready for that tier yet. I've seen your other racing content, and you might want to stick with your sim rig to get more time in the cockpit before trying to take on the big leagues with a massive £60 gamepad upgrade.
The first race where your tires wear out is confusing. I never got that close to my tires getting wore like that and never drifted the corners. This game is so much about goofy unrealistic tunes. And figuring out that is a puzzle itself.
I actually am really enjoying this game, but this had me laughing the whole time
Thanks for the new Forza content Ermz. I’ve been enjoying your takes on the game.
Hood camera is not much ideal considering you were having problems guessing the distance of the other cars near you, if you opted to cockpit/ driver camera that would have solve a lot of your issue since you can have a better field of view thanks to the windows & mirrors( that is my prefer way to play ever since FM3 introduced it and have not & cannot play it any other way lol the experience is way more immersive) and lastly the close or far chase camera even though for me that is a copout/meh way to play lol but overall great video showcase.
My very first race, my very first lap, I got rammed into the wall by someone who very well knew what they were doing, the arrows weren’t much help either, didn’t even seem like he was trying to pass me.
the super GT intro was great 😂
The Super GT impression is great btw.
I have the S rating since the beginning and races are clean 99% of the time. You get hit sometimes but it's a lack of skill of some players rather than malicious behavior. I'm on holiday and played multiplayer every day since the release for a few hours and i love the experience. Sadly it's time to go back to work ;(
06:00 your theory is completely wrong. The wheel is superior to the gamepad. You can be much more smooth and save your tires. I win most of my races and 99% of the time my tires are in better condition than my competition. Your mistake is breaking too late and being too aggressive. Break earlier and use trail braking. I don't drive a Honda but VW golf has brake bias to the back so i use a gentle touch of brake to rotate the car in the middle of the corner.
Now try laguna with no aero ( lowest aero settings ) and hards tires starting last place. I've been doing that every day having close battles all the time. Very rewarding when you get a win.
Digging the GT Sport menu music at the start
What’s the easiest setting to adjust to counter understeer
Change the brake bias to 55 rear will help.
They weren't drifting the corners 😂 Likely their spring rates were tighter and the rear was just slide happy 😅
Awesome video as usual my good man (just missing a Barry-Ar reference and the shadow realm)🤣🤣 . Yes, proximity arrows suck, so for the camera I would recommend remapping your "view" buttons, allowing you a segmented 360-degree view around the car. So that is (clockwise) front, front right, right, rear right, rear, rear left, left and front left. I use the driver cam and works well, (bonnet will be a problem as it is on the bonnet so looking left is not really a side shot if you get me). Try if out before you go to the dark side that is the gamepad. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is it possible to map a button to chase cam when the button is pressed, and then back to bonnet cam (or whatever you use) when you release it? Or switching between two view with the same button?
@@MetalGamer666 😂😂nope, but if you press the change view button quickly and close your eyes it has the same effect, plus you have reduced eye strain.
@@DJ_Asthma And when you open your eyes you are in the gravel :P
Abs on or off for wheel?
people are forgetting that there isn't any public lobbies, no other game modes like drifting, individual class hoppers etc. the multiplayer feels just has half baked as the career, and is more just a sport mode but with extra races. the only reason people are hyping it so much is because they realise the rest of the game is not good so they need something to save it.
Love the sarcasm 😂
Sad but true, controllers in advantage for being able to change direction faster but driving with steering wheel really fun.
In loving memory of Ermz’s tires 10/15/2023
You know to be fair...... i can see one enjoying Forza Multiplayer at the end of the night after doing some serious LMF or iracing or whatever your "hardcore" sim of choice is for you, as like a cool down lap. Wanna decompress a lil before bed from a series that might have had you on edge but dont wanna grab the switch to play MarioGoKart.....well then here you go, Forza Multiplayer😊.
Races here can still be quite intense and with the in-game ranking system i assure you that you'll find competitive people once you've settled in. It probably won't be as chill an experience as you expect, especially with the draft that seems to encourage battles
You know what is this exciting? Touring cars and IndyCar. Also, IMSA and WEC.
I love that you just made a superGT video
It was remarkably relaxing. I can see why he does it.
Some valid points but then also just sounds like youre gurning over nothing the proximity arrows are grand, think you just need to realise when theyre orange theyre up your hoop hahaha
Why does the multiplayer limit the cars I can bring in. I upgraded my Trueno to A tier so I could use it online and it doesn’t allow me
Can you please make a video on how tuning in forza motorsport really works? like not based on actual reallife knowledge and function.
Lucky to get it to work , multiplayer won’t work for me , just keeps freezing, and now today the career mode froze , and won’t save
the sarcasm is epic lol
So Laguna seca short is in simple terms the late 1960's through the mid 1980's layout just so you know
Your absolute hate boner for this game has got me questioning your impartiality tbh.
Try tuning your car, there's a ridiculous amount of stuff you can change. For your poor fronts maybe increase camber and some toe by 0.1, stiffen the rear roll bar as well to create some oversteer.
Im pretty sure the race he is in doesn't allow setups.
Not part upgrades but i think tuning stuff, i was able to change my alignment in my quali races@@Acreyman
Need to add way more negative camber to front and back so when you lean the car more tyre comes in to contact with the surface.
Never seen anyone got problems with Forza Motorsport 8 before.
So question, how is he throwing the rear end of a front wheel car out and keeping it under control? I feel like when I get her sideways, she just wants to keep going, but he was doing a great job of throwing it out just a bit and never losing control.
As a rummer i just love playing this game
I don't have any of proxy arrows, before start, I turned off all assists & mini map also
"Multiplayer is the best feature of the game."
Err, that is a very low bar to clear!
Rubberbanding in Multiplayer is definitely new territory for a racing game.
Well it worked and race 2 looked pretty fun to me
It looks like you are not looking right and left, but right forward and left forward. Perhaps a binding issue?
I'm using chase cam and the gamepad, seems to be the best option.
You gotta tune the car better, I have a setup on my civic that makes it way better. Civics are usually on default pretty stiff off the get-go
Brother your problem in the first race was the tune, it was genuinely painful to watch that car try and turn in.
I don’t think controller vs wheel makes much difference in terms of tyre, although id say overall controller is easier, especially because of how much you can feel under braking with the triggers
You also have everything at your fingertips and can flutter gas and brake with a couple fingers rather than your entire legs. There's an advantage to using a controller but I'd never play without a wheel.
@@Self-Delusion The only reason I haven't bought a wheel yet is because I know I'd be on it all the time
@@justamanchimp you only got the one life, may as well enjoy it!
I loved getting a message saying that my safety rating had gone down after my first three races. Those races in which I hit no one myself, yet was rammed repeatedly at the first turn in every race.
Dogshit AI systems in this game.
Drifting wasn't your problem it was the tire scrubbing. Need to setup your car with more turn in to avoid the scrubbing.
5:20 so Initial D was right all along hahahahah
A lot of the people using rigs have been having trouble with using a wheel, have you tried normal steering instead of similation? In forza 7 I used simulation and it made cars very twitchy however in normal they seemed to react better. I throw a solution out there as it could be the reason your tires in the car were wearing out so quickly. I hope it’s a solution as when I had a wheel normal seemed better. As a gamepad user right now I have been enjoying this game a lot!!
I use a rig along with many others who drive just fine. If you know how far Forza stepped forward this iteration... If you don't know where it's been then seeing the progress it's made might not be so obvious . But wheel accessibility is greatly improved
@@keithnelson4511 I’m happy to hear mate!! I am just wondering why so many are having trouble with the wheel lately. I have been enjoying this iteration a lot!!
typical ermz, says he's taking it easy, but leaves everyone else in the dust before the first lap ends.... hahaha
T10 also forgot to add Moon in the skybox, lol. Try to find moon in the night in clear sky on any track.
Oh no, instant refund
I did the online qualifiers got a S rating went into my first multiplayer room at nurburgring gp got torpedo wrecked at turn 1 . Soo nothing has changed
Do you play driving/racing games in VR?