She Warned Us About Him in Kingdom Hearts 1: Theory/Discussion
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- After all these years Kairi's Grandmother's story finally comes around full circle, though that may not be a good thing. Too little too late for our cast I suppose
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A bit of a correction to what you said @6:50
Elena is a dandelion. She just isn't a union leader. Same goes for Ven. Every child in that data world was chosen as a dandelion by Ava (except for maybe Ven). People tend to get this mixed up. Just because someone wasn't a union leader didn't mean that they weren't a dandelion.
THIS part
Xehanort be like: Sorry, not a union leader, no dreams of you
Ven has to be a dandelion bc the darkness deceived him and made him think Ava wanted him to be a leader
NOT ELENA IT'S ELRENA
@@ImJust_a_cheese. I know. Must have been a typo. Good catch though.
The wayfinder trio's story is over? My dude, Ventus, if he's doing something with the union leaders, Terra and Aqua are getting involved too. I doubt it's more or less over
Exactly my thoughts. Ventus is still a main character since they introduced him in union x and the trio is currently in the realm of darkness looking for sora and we all know that can’t go well forever
Yeah! Also feel similarly for the sea salt trio. At the very least, Lea and Isa have stuff to do with subject X which is connected to UX and xigbar. I’m sure Xion and Roxas will be along for that too 😌
I have a feeling master ava could be kairis grand mother, just a random thought idk
These characters are masked for a reason, you know?
I know your comment is old 😅 but for a update in Kh3 hidden reports it is said that Ava was Subject X for Ansem the Wise and Apprentice Xehanort's experiments, and that Lea/Axel and Isa/Saïx sought her in the organization, and Ansem SoD tells to Ansem the Wise "where did you put the girl" meaning that she is still out there, and again in the ending of KH3 Luxu/Xigbar says to the Foretellers "i guess Ava hasnt make it after all" so she's out there, im 100% conviced that Ava hadnt grow up like that to become an old lady, since she was still a girl in Ansem The Wise experiments, so she couldnt have grow to a old lady like that
But im conviced that since Kairi's grand mother knows a lot of things about the age of fairy tales, she may be a keyblade wielder of that time, but i dont think she is Ava.
didn't nomura say himself that Sora will still be the main character going forward?
yep
Definitely plenty of times
@@IceMBB88 I mean, him thinking Sora is kinda out of the way for a bit is odd, then. I mean, l get that some games Sora WASN'T the mc, l mean, 3Ds was pretty much Rikus game, we can all agree on that, but l'm certain it won't bee too long before Sora gets saved, rescued, finds his way back somehow, links up with Riku, ect.
Every character in this game has a bit of Sora in them
Yes 100%
Actually the wayfinder trio will play a big part in training Kairi, two master level characters to train her and one to become a rival she can compete against to eventfully match Sora and Riku by KH4.
No just aqua will she asked if aqua can be her master no one else
It’s still a good idea. I’m sure she would take any advice from any master.
I don’t see Kairi gaining anything from studying under Terra except for keyblade transformations maybe.
She’s already naturally resistant to darkness by being a princess of light too so even there terras knowledge is useless to her.
Kairi seems very magic oriented judging by her KH3 fighting style so Aqua alone should do it.
@@Xalocin I could see ventus seeing kairi as a older 2nd sister
@@Jaylobeans Ventus is older that Kairi
Kairis characther was developed in 1 along every other characther in that game, then after 2 all that was thrown out the window
Not really. She was in Sora's heart for most of the game.
@@ashhole03 she was more present in 2 and forward?
@unrealpotato2230 Yeah. In the first game, she didn't do much at all.
Not really, she was comatosed for 96% of the game, then gives you a wayfinder then they're separated at the end immediately, then kh2 what she kinda runs from axel then tells sora ansem was riku bah they don't really do nun with Kairi, namine was more fleshed out and she's close to. They need to make a game with Kairi after threes remind dlc dropped and fighting xenanort as Kairi on critical is the most fun I've had with her through the entire series. I also like Kairi alot I'm not hashing her.😊
this was an awesome video and very easy to follow along (which is always hard with KH)
I always thought that one of the meanings of Kairi's Grandma story was the idea that Kingdom Hearts when it isn't summoned by the X blade is physically in the Realm of Darkness. Your theory honestly also makes sense however it can really be both and likely can even have more hints about future events as well.
As for Kairi having her own game I am of two minds about it.
1 they seem be making the moves to have Kairi become a hero and get her own game. They have taken Sora away to a place she can't reach, which is a good thing because she his hyper focused on him. To the point she is ignoring her own wants and character treats. They have taken alway at lest three of the strongest wielders from the realm of Light. If the villains have been waiting for a chance to strike now when Sora, Riku, and Mickey are not around is the perfect time to do it. Added to that I am almost sure that everyone in Twilight Town is going to be busy because the foretellers are going to take over the Mansion so they might be slow to react if something else happens. And I also think it is possible that the Wayfinder Trio is going to run into trouble before they get back from the realm of darkness, likely finding something really important there(likely not a clue about Sora). All these things will kind of force Kairi to become a character and a hero and we will get a game about it.
A Game Idea where she goes on a journey maybe with Donald and Goofy, and maybe with a single other wielder either Lea or Ventus would be my guess. Maybe she will get Minnie as a mentor(I really doubt the stated plan for Aqua to teach Kairi is going to work). Kairi has to deal with Maleficent's plan, and actually the person that puts the evil fairy out of the picture.
2 All these bad things will happen and Kairi fails to step up. She continues on her hidden negative character arc, only it is no longer a hidden character arc. Proving that she is actually a well written character just one that doesn't fit the stereotype we have been trying to fit her into. We may or may not get a game focused on Kairi in this case. Maybe playable segments in someone else's game, or maybe just cutscenes. I kind of like this idea mostly because the groundwork is already there for Kairi to have this kind of character journey and it almost makes more sense then having Kairi be the only badly written character in KH. However if they go this route I am unsure if they will have a full Kairi game.
Overall I am not sure which way they are pushing Kairi. I kind of guess option 1 but I really like option 2 a lot better because it allows the small character arc hints she already has to have pay off. However so long as they do something with Kairi I will likely be ok with it. Though if they just keep her as is then she can very easily become a character I want out of the game. Badly written love interests are not fun, and actually can destroy an otherwise wonderful story. I have high hopes for Kairi because I believe the writers can get her out of the whole they have put her in. One way or the other.
That said I do beleive that Kairi has a lot of important information and lore that we need. Well either her or Ienzo has the information.
Those are very good points.
I'd be open to having a new entry where Kairi is the protagonist, but a lot would depend on how the story is structured.
Fandom expectations are very high at the moment, and a part of me wants to have faith in the developers.
Nomura has shown that despite all the crazy twists, he does have a clear picture of what he wants to do with each new entry.
And Disney has been writing idealistic maiden arcs for a very long time.
Character development in these games has been criminally bad tbh. None of the characters really have any personality to speak of in the first place (pick one of "I love my friends" or "I'm edgy lmao darkness" and you've summed up every character) but Kairi definitely stands out as the peak of bad character development in the series.
Instead of keeping her involved in and important to the story, SHOWING us that she's important, they just retrospectively add lore points about her to TELL us that she is important. She has no identity or personality beyond serving as Sora's motivator and damsel in distress.
She just abruptly goes from a nobody with 2 voicelines to her name to wielding a keyblade and fighting Xehanort in KH3 (what even is power scaling btw).
She should have had her own entry in the series pre-KH3 tbh. Her role in KH4 is already sort of set in stone so idk if having her own game at this point will even help her character.
In the deepest darkness, there will always be a light to guide you…
Like ven and aqua with Terra?. Or Mickey with Riku? Or ven and Terra’s keyblades with Aqua?
Oh, and Terra without eraqus within Xehanort’s darkness?
Or even cloud with tifa?
Wow… the analogy was used quite a bit. Now That I think of it…
Let's also remember, Riku has wielded 4 Keyblade at this point.
How is the Wayfinder trio finished though. Ventus alone is tied to the next saga. With that being a thing, Terra and Aqua are instantly dragged in by default being so connected to Ventus.
Axel literally just became a keyblade welder. Xion is connected to Kairi. That thrusts Roxas into the next saga.
Yeah, but one was technically being wielded by Ansem because he was possessed.
Just saying, but the first part of Kairi’s Grandmother’s story (the part about light fighting to get more light and Darkness being born in those light’s hearts), that part did not point at anything at the time (because it was the first game) but now: It points at the 1st Keyblade War and it’s events before that happened. The story of Kingdom Hearts Union X.
Do not forget that you actually had that game and it’s story being very important. Including the still not yet fully released “Dark Road” part of the game that features the story of Xehanort when he grew up (and the fact that the heart of the Player Character from Union X was reborn AS Xehanort’s heart) and became a Keyblade Master and his decent into Darkness.
I know it's not canon, but I am 100% onboard with the Ava is Kairi's Grandma theory.
I know your comment is old 😅 but for a update in Kh3 hidden reports it is said that Ava was Subject X for Ansem the Wise and Apprentice Xehanort's experiments, and that Lea/Axel and Isa/Saïx sought her in the organization, and Ansem SoD tells to Ansem the Wise "where did you put the girl" meaning that she is still out there, and again in the ending of KH3 Luxu/Xigbar says to the Foretellers "i guess Ava hasnt make it after all" so she's out there, im 100% conviced that Ava hadnt grow up like that to become an old lady, since she was still a girl in Ansem The Wise experiments, so she couldnt have grow to a old lady like that
But im conviced that since Kairi's grand mother knows a lot of things about the age of fairy tales, she may be a keyblade wielder of that time, but i dont think she is Ava.
@@0.Maggie_chan.0 But Skuld is theorized to be Subject X. There's no confirmation of who Subject X is.
Just like all the other people out there who care about Sore purpose in this in his own Ark he is one of the most unique and purpose of all people in the story in weapon of his own in the image of the key much like his friends and 10000 times worthy of it is so true about him the fullest because it approved the epilogue and everything else it is a demonstration of courage and Leadership outside of his friends in the mirror puffle fact that he with the one in the in the station of wakening at the beginning of his journey who was spoken to to prove himself to be worthy
I just want more of Xion, Roxas, and Lea
same. I honestly don't give a shit about anyone else. in comparison, that is. give me those 3.
They already got an entire game to themselves, give someone else a chance at some character development, huh? 😅
@@KyrieChii on the effing ds over a decade ago give me a break 🤦♂️
There are rumors that is actually Vor who could be Kairi's grandma... What we have to ascertain is if Kairi's dad was a red head.
I always thought ansem the wise was her father and had a redhead mom that we never see
Well.... nope.
BUT SHE DIED.
@@ImJust_a_cheese. no shit Sherlock
Lol
Could you imagine Kairi being the experimental grandchild of Ava and old man Xehanort like sephiroth was an experimental baby.
What’s weird is that even tho they say sora didn’t guide her there. Sora did have vens hearts which is pure light or have pure darkness
As a princess of heart, she was drawn to the keyblade that Riku already had at that time. I think because Ven's heart (which had a keyblade) was sleeping inside Sora's at the time (& Sora didn't receive the keyblade until Riku began his descent into darkness), it wasn't the one that guided her.
Excellent video, was surprised when it was finished to see you was at 300 subscribers. Your Voice over, quality and editing was great and this was a very interesting discussion, look forward to seeing part 2!
Isn't Xehanort supposed to be the reincarnated player character?
Player in UX chose to go on another journey at the end when he died rather than sleeping and becoming a dream eater
yep. they became xehanort.
No Chantel/Damien isn't reincarnated as xehenort there the blue robey that trained then and told them stories thinking xehenort was the the child of destiny.
this showed up on my recommended page. very well put together
I always like the theory that Xehanort is your player character from Union Cross re-born, which makes the Keyblade Ceremony with him and Sora that much more cool because we as the player are finally giving sora his own Keyblade officially.
That isn't a theory. That is a straight fact. Union X directly tells us that.
I used to draw Xana keyblades in class way back in middle school and only now as an adult man do I find myself discovering another person wanted Code Lyoko in kh. I'm losing my shit over this channel, you earned a sub my dude.
9:42 - If you can find it. Yeah, events in the past made it just a LITTLE difficult to locate. Also there are some locks that require specific Keyblades to unlock, as we've seen already. So it's possible that a Keyblade from that era is required.
Unless their was something more in MOM you have judged kiari's childhood despite knowing only like a week of it is canon right now
Actually the player character did die and got reborn into xehanort
Thanks 4 all the hard work.
No, I think it means quite a bit that the Master that formally gave Sora his Keyblade was Xehanort. Given who Xehanort was before he was Xehanort it's pretty fitting.
The player character reincarnated into Xehanort.
Nice video man hope the theory of kairi's grandma is true.
I'm subscribing after this video, you did such an amazing job at not just following the details of the story but also getting EVERY DETAIL correct. I love it.
I always felt that Ava and Kairi were related somehow
Amazing video m8 you just earned a sub
I've ben alive for 23 years, but have only gotten into the franchise as recently as last year. This franchise is something special, so now having a quality youtuber available to really theorize about it makes me beyond happy. Can't wait to see more
Anyone else feel like this is old news? I theorized back when khux ended that kairis grandmother was either ava or skuld. My reasoning for this is rather simple and can easily be proven wrong, at least where ava is concerned, but there is a scene in khux where a woman who looks like skuld is giving a man who is dressed in brown robes the young xehanort, provided that this is skuld, what’s to stop her from having more children/adopting a grandchild. It would also explain xehanorts connection to kairi and how her grandmother knew of the story of light and darkness, something that only keyblade weilders have heard and spoken about.
Also, the keyblade weilders in khux went to sleep until the time their world is reawakened, aka the datascape, with the exception of those that escaped and your character who is reincarnated into xehanort.
I'm so tempted to redraw your heckin avatar >0> like I can tell it's supposed to be in the NTWEWY artstyle.
Kairi has some kind of connection to one of those originl keyblade wielders.
Love your avatar character design 👍
Tbh I see the next game just being another Dream drop distance but minus the dreams and the timer, with a boss fight against Yozora (AKA Nomura's self insert character, I mean he literally Said he gave his exact eye color to him and not to mention if you really look at it he took letters from his last and first name to make the name "Yozora") in the beginning until Riku release Sora by finding his heart hence them both waking up in Tokyo.
Also the next arc is about our world. Now hear me out, think about it sure here in the real world all fairy tales and fantasies are fiction but in the kingdomheartsverse, fairy tales and fantasies are non fiction and a world without magic, darkness or light is a world of fiction, I mean it's obvious quadratum is just our world, a world which is fictional in the KHverse and I mean the normal moon, not mention Yozora using technology opposed to magic due to magic not existing in our world.
And this arc has been foreshadow ever since org13 was made as Yozora's character literally has nobody ear rings and Luxord is his igneous as well as already stating in KH 3 he had other plans and that these problems aren't his own literally showing he's had his memories sense beginning because he's not from KH he's from quadratum AKA our world a world free of light, darkness and magic that's also why Luxord always needed xemnas to actually fight us because he can't use any magic he's just a card master butler.
And I can see another spin off game next to this one about Kairi training with Aqua to become an official keyblade weilder.
Also I believe the whole true light statement is actually referring to the fact that all darkness was orginally light as we literally see in union cross that the portal of "darkness" are portals of light in union cross essentially this arc involves getting Yozora on our side as well as saving his girl and getting his real heart back and then creating a link between the worlds of fiction (quadratum) and the kh worlds.
And I think the end of kh will have to do with that world we always see Sora open roads in a world where the dark moons come from in the remind Xehanort boss fight.
Also some corrections the reason the kingdom key chose Sora is due to it being aligned with light and his, Ven and Kairi's heart all together at the time so their combined light out shown the darkness of Riku not to mention the protection spell Aqua placed on Kairi which is the whole reason she ended up on destiny island not to mention it's cannon that Sora won the race with fruit in kh1 against Riku and only won because Riku let him win, the fruit tied Kairi and Sora together he keeps her from darkness along with Aqua's spell and kairi and Sora's friends stop him from falling too deep into the darkness allowing to control his darkness hence the rage form.
Also fyi union cross confirmed that Xehanort is the reincarnation of our player character who immediately felt a connection to Empher.
Also if you listen to Xehanort's speech after being beaten in base kh3 he literally describes what he saw when he was the player character before he was reincarnated. Remember he said all his other selves could exist as one in Scala, count the replicas one for all the darkness that killed him, then the main clone that remind Sora and Kairi fight AKA the player character and the one Sora, Donald and Goofy fight AKA Xehanort his reincarnation.
We AKA Xehanort became the vessel of darkness so we could help find the one who would be worthy of the keyblade and find all the keys to restoring the world to how it should be finally freeing the light from the shadows (the yin and the yang.)
the thumbnails on your channel go hard
Your avatar is really well designed bro.
I was waiting for Kairi to get a more active role from after KH1.
It has been 20 freaking years and she has only slightly shifted to being somewhat useful, but always ends up being the princess that's in another castle.
Love the videos and theories.
I was curious. what do you use to create the avatar you use for your videos?
You died... Your player isn't still there, they either died from their wounds and became Xehanort or just before they died the world went into sleep mode, you refused sleep, and became Xehanort. If anything is still there, its the darknesses, assuming they didn't eventually wither away without a host.
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very interesting
She was originally talking about the keyblade war my dude and how soras gonna be light to connect wverything...knew this i was like 10 years old my dude
Dude the Dandelions were ALL the keyblade wielders Ava sent on to avoid the war not just the five that took up the fortellers positions
I don't think Luxu would know the darknesses are locked in the pipeline. He only knows what he sees, and the Master of Master only know what the keyblade sees. Neither Luxu not the keyblade saw Ephemer send the player into the pipeline, he didn't see the player lock them in the pipeline either. Luxu should have no idea.
I always found Kairi extremely useless. I would love a game of her where she gets justice
Play kh1
@@unrealpotato2230 I played them all
@@belmont6915 Then play it again that's where she's a good characther
@@unrealpotato2230 They're saying they want Kairi to have more character development & active purpose outside of just being a princess of heart in future games, because she's been left behind by the extensive development of the other characters (even her nobody got way more time & care than she did). I disagree that she's 'useless', but agree she deserves more focus.
@@unrealpotato2230 Kairi's only plot point in kh1 is "We gotta save Kairi!" she spent the majority fo the game as essentially a lifeless puppet and when she was awake the only significant thing she did was give sora her good luck charm. That's still not a good character. Kairi has never had any amazing character development and even in kh3 she was useless. They hyped her up so much only for her to flop and get herself kidnapped (again)
HEARD OF YOU THROUGH MOTOR CITY NERDS! IM SO GLAD I DID GREAT CONTENT!
My one main issue with this theory is what happened to our PC's. After locking four of the Darknesses between data worlds in with us and we die, we see a bunch of other PC's becoming Spirits, and Chirithy explains we can either go to sleep and they become our protector, or pass and our heart melts into another's before cutting to baby Xehanort being handed over to a robed figure by (presumably) his mother from what appears to be Scala ad Caelum, implying that our hearts melded with Xehanort (or his mom, or the figure who takes him to Destiny Islands, but unless they're secretly someone already established, probably not) since our heart floated offscreen instead of being picked up by Chirithy like the other PC's
is it possible for you to do a sorting of every character in the kingdom hearts franchise into hogwarts based on what has been shown in the franchise so far?
forgive me but i dont think thats scala ad caelum i feel like thats a whole other world thats came before it, i could be wrong because i don't see the familiar interior and architecture designs that could be found in scala de caelum in that cut scene
Is melody of memory technology a Kiara game?
Wait a second I’ve seen the thumbnail before!
great video man. I agree its time for some of the characters to step away from the spotlight. A Kairi game would be pretty cool a lot o potential.
I never thought of KH3's Ending like that. Master Xehanort deeming Sora as a worthy Keyblade wielder, in addition to Sora proving himself to the Kingdom Key back in KH 1 (Never Fully Played through, JUNGLE WORLD), As well as handing over the Key to ALL WORLDS? It just tells me that, Like Ansem indirectly telling Sora and Riku that they are his successors, that they will find the answers he was looking for THE RIGHT WAY, Xehanort officially made Sora his personal successor.
Damn IT! Now I'm both happy, and sad!
I think that the next phase will be a story about both Sora and Kairi because if you think about it Sora has many connections to what the Lost Master arc will be about through many people. Kairi would just be his biggest connection to the new plot since she is a princess of heart and his closest friend.
I think the part "But someday, a door to the innermost darkness will open. And the true light will return." Is a foreshadowing of kingdom hearts 1 ending where ansem open the door to darkness and the light came out.
anyone thinking sora and riku wont still be the main focus are fooling themselves
**breath in**
DAMN. YOU. NOMURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~
Ever Read Flowers For Algernon?
What I don't get if sora wasn't chosen what was with his dream in kh1
As much as i like this idea, kh4 is deff gonna be a sora game. They may do some spinoffs or more mobile games after missing link, but nomura said any numbered game is a sora game.
Also, this video may have been before the trailer, but 4 will definitely be mainly about sora in quadratum with streletzia.
Luxu pulled a naruto. question is, is he Obito? Or Madara? and in the ladder, is the MoM really the good guy? or is he goanna be a Kaguya?
Kiari’s Game !!! I can’t wait to play it!!! Because melody of memories doesn’t count
The ending of union cross the player character refuses to go to sleep and become a dream eater. Thus he is dissolved into a new heart. That new heart is baby Xeahnort, hence why dark road starts with young xeahnort dreaming about the events in the keyblade war thus getting obsessed with it. They only way he would be dreaming about the player character laying on the floor waiting for death before ephimer rescued him is because his heart was dreaming of its past.
Everything else is pretty solid
Grandma was just talking about Final fantasy 13 guys. Lol
The grandma story was giving very much LoZ Twilight Princess lol
PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS
Yo great vid aside. That Code Lyoko idea would be lit
*video not vid. I don't understand the idea of shortening a rather short word like video. Is it too long and difficult to write two more letters or what? Ridiculous!🤦
@@SuperPlacido1 smh ikr!? The nerve of some people 😒
@@ChrisTheNike What? Is what I said true or false?
@@SuperPlacido1 You're correct, but I don't think it's a big deal when it comes to a CZcams comment section
@@ChrisTheNike I'm not making a big deal out of it, all I was saying is that I don't understand why there are people who shorten a word that is already that short! It's nothing to write two more letters, so why not write them?
This sounds like a cult now...Cult of Sora
You should link up with Motor City nerds she's a smaller channel starting to grow and she loves Kingdom Hearts and makes some content but wants to make more if you would be interested I'm sure she would be all about it
there's one charater that's been shafted harder than Kiry, sora's mother.
If Kairis grandma is Ava... She's gotta be atleast 200 years old.
Since she's a princess, it's Ansem the wise her father?
He's not a king and she's not a literal princess just like Alice
How can Kairi be apart of the Destiny trio when she's an alien from Radiant Garden? Kairi being the star of a kh game would slightly turn me away because she isn't an effective combatant despite literaly training in a hyperbolic time chamber the Witch should have exited with actual musculature her death should have remained. KH3 should have teamed her and Riku up during one of the Org.XIII battles but no that didn't happen.
I get what you say and it's like they're making a Mario game but about peach
you know this theory plus the comment from the master or masters in KH3 "of to trust what you see and not what you hear" REALLY proves to me that sora is the master of masters.
Wait what? The player character did die. They were reincarnated as Master Xehanort. Everyone is Xehanort is no longer just a meme. The player was literally reborn as them. I was curious where this might lead until you reached this part almost 9 mins in. But yeah, that's why you see the scenes afterward of baby Xehanort and so on.
Hehe
I thought Kairi's grandma was part Xehanort all along
AND OMG YOU MADE ME SEE TREASURE PLANET AGAIN WHYYY huhuhu if only.... he can actually be in it just for once...Jim :(
8:30 The player character died and was reborn as Xehanort
wrong, the player was reborn as the hooded figure taking Xehanort to destiny islands
kairi is absolutely not going to be the focus going forward. nomura has shown time and time again that he has little to no interest in her, and has stated that kingdom hearts is about sora (and riku). it wouldn't be kingdom hearts if sora (and/or riku) isn't the main focus and protagonist
Also you gonna talk about the truest darkness or whatever while the fucking wayfinder trio is gonna spend a significant amount of time there? And you think they are done dude?
0:06 I’M NOT!!! Screw whoever leaked the ending, btw!
Imagine going to a super Mario world
Looking at Union X story. Ventus story far from over.
If that was Ava she would be like 200+ without traveling through time. There is not way.
This is one of those times when I have to say "I don't have receipts so have a pinch of salt and feel free to ignore me" but while Sora in time became the more important person to Kairi, I thought it was Riku's light that led her to destiny islands. Throughout the games Riku has always been shown either directly or indirectly to have a stronger light when compared to others, and if I remember correctly both Terra and Aqua were led to Destiny Islands by his larger than life light.
I might be misremembering, I stopped playing after 3DS, and Nomura writes like an idiot so it's probably impossible to tell for sure until KH61.6 clears it all up for our descendants...
Lea and Isa want to find Subject X
Ven is a dandelion
their story is not done
I could care less about Kairi now. I used to really like her, but I don't like the voice change in kh3 and other more vocal fans actively demanding she be made more relevant kinda just spoiled her for me. Plus, its usually the "we need a strong female character" line of thinking, as if Aqua- one of the best characters in the entire franchise and someone who arguably carried the overarching plot on her back, just doesn't exist. Idk man, simply not to interested in her and her character anymore due to other people and design choices. It sucks.
it's comments like yours's is why i think the kingdom hearts fanbase has no idea how story telling works character wise. Look at the yugioh fanbase who have been waiting for a real female duelist to not get sidelined and finally got one in yugioh sevens.Kairi's character getting development is not an issue. There are plenty of other female keyblade wielders beside aqua who will become more important than aqua her self we now know this.Kairi's character becoming a damsel in distress all the time is why the fandom wants kairi's character to stand on her own two feet not to become a useless side character if you want kairi's character to stay sidelined and be useless that's character de-progression you being mutually exclusive to your feelings brother is not making kairi's character progression better.your vision of kairi's character is being just like a female yugioh girl that gets sidelined without any development.it's at this point the kingdom hearts fandom does not care for character development or character change because your so called feelings are getting in the way.the biggest sin in kingdom hearts is Sora's character we all know he's not going to change at all character wise and stat wise since i know for sure tetsuya nomura will not age Sora's character to an adult which is flat out dumb even though i would like for him to try.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 you're calling sode characters staying at the sideline an issue while the focus is the main character. That's not an issue nor a problem that needs to be fixed. That's putting weight on something that doesn't matter for the sake of "it needs to happen" when it clearly doesn't. As a yugioh and kh fan, I don't give a shit that others think a character being underutilized seemingly has to do with their gender- I just wanna see the protagonist and side characters I like be badasses if it fits them. That's just actively tacking a non-issue onto something cuz you deem it one. That's not going to make me be like "yea, this is a good thing", it's going to make me be like "...god, please shut up so I can actually enjoy it." I'm black and people overemphasizing that a black character either exists or isn't "represented" in the way they like doesn't make me happy, it pisses me off when all that matters is the quality of the show. Stressing meaningless details like that ruins things for others, regardless of who it applies to
@@ashemabahumat4173 kairi's character getting development is not a gender issue it's part of the plot of her character arc.true blind genderism is makeing a overpowered female character with zero development.you only think kairi getting development is an ass pull which it is not the plot does need kairi's character to stand by riku and sora's characters. kairi's character is the last character that needs development this has nothing to do with genderism do not be so corrupt by your blind feelings.Kairi's character is not going to be Overpowered out an ass pull out the blue that would be true blind genderism and bad writing.you are getting Sora,Riku and Kairi's characters being badass keyblade wielders development wise ;in other words, you do not become a bad ass person overnight you need character development first brother.
@@1BadAssArchAngelvs14 no, I already understand what you think you're explaining to me. I'm saying it's been made a gender issue by other, vocal people which ruins it for me. May not be everyone, but the people who do soured it. I've become disinterested and relatively dislike her and her development now due to said people. Besides, what good does the "you aren't a badass over night" argument do when pretty much every primary character in the series is from the outset. I get what you're trying to say, but this series is one of situations where it doesn't apply. Its just over complicating the initial point of other people ruining the character for me on top of just not liking her new voice direction
@@ashemabahumat4173 just ignore the toxcity negativty of the fandom around kairi and you will be fine ,but you do have a point about kingdom hearts characters it is only a mere 5% character driven game compared to other video games like final fantasy 14,the last of us ,or even phantasy star online 2 new genesis characters have more character growth than the entire kingdom hearts franchise which makes the narrative character design of kingdom hearts terrible it is not good at doing character driven stories but at least they are trying with kairi's character.Kingdom hearts story wise is a side show story game at the end of the day and at best all the important parts of kingdom hearts ,and it's entire lore story and it's characters are from side games.the kingdom hearts franchise biggest problem is none of the events take place in a self contained world or universe which is why video game reviewers do not take kingdom hearts story telling seriously plus the disney stuff makes kingdom hearts even harder to take seriously for reviewers.cross over games can be taken seriously if the right tone is met and the stakes are realistic ,but kingdom hearts as whole nah brother thats why gamers just play kingdom hearts for gameplay now!
He’s wrong because ventis is important due to the fact that he is a dandelion
If you think all those characters stories are over... like you can't be serious? That has to be one of the stupidest theories I have heard. They have yet to drop a character despite the fact it would make more sense *xion or roxas or namine* all brought back through weird barely explored sub plots
Yeah this one aged poorly but well not everyone can be casandra.
Well, you quickly jumped of the rails. The true light has always been Kingdom Hearts. Ever since the first game all the way to where we are now. It isn't even close to reasonable to assume that it is the master of masters. Especially when taking the keyblade war into account. Even though Luxu is the traitor, he was correct when stating that the master never cared about protecting the world.
Also, the Kingdom Hearts 4 trailer we got at least partially debunked the whole Kairi being the main character part.
Personally i think Sora is pretty underdeveloped too. I am currently trying bring the KH series to life as an animated tv series, with a few liberties made to make the narrative flow more organically and help it make sense. Such as replacing Goofy and Donald with Goofy's son, Max, and Donald's Nephews, Huey, Dewey, and Louie (by extention the Duck triplets will divide Donald's role as the mage between them. Huey would be the offensive black mage, Dewey the supportive white mage with the cure, KHII's version of Fire, KHI's versions of Aero and Blizzard, etc. And Louie with the help of Sora will be the catalyst that introduces their summonable friends and allies, not necessarily a full on summoner but someone who can still communicate with them in there hibernating forms of the summon gems, or through the charms and binders they get in II and III.) Not only does replacing Donald and Goofy make Jiminy Cricket's role as the Chronicler make more sense, but it also changes the unintended context within what a lot of fans refer to as "Sora Abuse", those moments when King Mickey appears and suddenly Donald and Goofy, his two best friends in the world, treat him like a god and push a 16 yr old (by KHIII) around just to get close...rather aggressively i might add. With Max, Huey, Dewey, and Louie however, i see it as a bunch of kids being excited to meet their hero at first, and after the bombshell that reveals the king dislikes being put on a high pedestal and that Donald and Goofy were best friends with the king since WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY back (hense why they would have gone with King Mickey to the Realm of Darkness, and accompanied him through the kings other missions in KHII, and III, not as keywielders but as the kings friends who stick together no matter the situation), the excitement would be more towards their mentors as they are eager to catch up with them and trying to shake off their idol worship of Mickey.
I also think Sora should have showed signs of PTSD after the Destiny Islands were swallowed by the darkness. Depending on whether or not Disney settled the legal issues when it comes to Tarzan's inclusion in the series, the Deep Jungle will be swallowed up infront of Sora as he tries his hands at piloting the Gummi for the first time. Triggering his PTSD and survivors guilt from losing his home, distracting him from realizing what is infront of him and crashlanding on an asteroid. (Btw sora will be aged down to 11 for the events of the 1st game. Alot of characters will have their ages tweaked but for better narrative consistency. The triplets are 10 and max will be 12 but Max will still be old enough to Pilot the Gummi Ship by their worlds standards), While Chip and Dale take the miniships to try to repair the Gummi Ship from the outside, Max chews Sora out for not listening when trying to teach him the basics of piloting to him. Sora runs to his room, and when Jiminy checks in on him wanting to know what happened before deciding on a fitting consequence for what happened. Sora reveals that he lost his home and explains how seeing a the world they were heading towards get swallowed up, reminded him how terrifying it was. Jiminy explains to Sora that he's experiencing PTSD and Survivors guilt, and opens up to him about having lost his home too. How he hopes Pinocchio and his father, Gepetto are safe, and all that. Giving Jiminy some extra development as he helps Sora understand what hes going through and how to cope.
My ideas are still a work inprogress but i think it could work well
Honestly, I don't want more Kairi, at this point it's too little too late IMO. Everything about her is bland, I would rather have a game where we play as Lexaeus, Larxene and Megara, literally anyone else but Kairi. I want her to go away because she's been the macguffin so long now. Literally, Riku and Sora have more chemistry than she has with Sora. I could not care less about her if I tried.
Never going to happen, unfortunately. Nomura or someone hates Kairi with a passion. And I’m sure they’ll look at the crap musical spin off game with Kairi arguably as the main character as a flop and therefore deem her as in marketable. Because, money.