The One Who Waits Lore is DARK - Cult of the Lamb
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2022
- Cult of the Lamb's story features the most vile villian yet, The One Who Waits Below. The Lore for this ancient God Narinder is sadder and darker the deeper we dive. Cult of the Lamb's lore is interesting, and the answers we find are actually really fun to speculate on, so enjoy the video!
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FYI This video is currently not up to date with the lore as there has been a few major updates since posting this!
I beg to every bishops of the old piss you do another video since theres a literal achievement named "Lore Master"
I was wondering why you said he wasn’t the god of death, but then I saw when the video came out
Update video when?
i think that even tho everyone calls you the god of death your are not truly the god of death bcuz how would deaths door card even make sense
I have the feeling that 80% of the Playerbase chose to marry Narinder the moment they saw the option to spare him
Absolutely its basically canon
? Seriously, I made him the janitor
I gave him a moon necklace and forced him to slave away in the stone mine 24/7 for the rest of eternity
@kedi5333 can't yet. Woop woop
@@kedi5333doesn't count. Maybe.
Narinders immortality in the Spare Ending is actually rather clever. You cannot kill death and even in his defeat he can just sit back and wait for you to die. He is still the one who waits.
I'm late but that is such a good thought I really like it
i mean isn't the lamb also immortal. they will just be at a war of passive aggression until the end of existence
so is the lamb so now they are both just going to walk side by side for eternity together
@@danadoodles4560 Same as I thought. Lamb remain young, sleepless and vibrant while the flock die of old age all the time.
All the bishops had crowns too so, what these crowns actually do, no one knows. We know that 1: they have sapience 2: they were made by chesmerch - if I got that name right - but he never states from what. Maybe a passed away deity or perhaps something else entirely.
The video propose the red crown was given by one of the bishops. But I don't think that's the case. All of crowns are integral to their roles/power. Narinder was also the only of the bishops with a third eye. It's most likely Narinder was simply given a revelation from his brother about the nature of divinity itself in this world - it allows manipulation of reality. We know this because the lamb does it all the time with the crown via ritual -
I suspect that third eye is not naturally his. He got it, absorbed, grew it, something and THAT is why he was so much more powerful and had innate abilities. Would also explain his immortality despite his "pacified" form. It also explains why the lamb has to kill all of Narinder eyes - where he has stored his final bits of power without the crown - to defeat him. He may of also just had an insane level of strength because the other bishops were bigging him up for ages - all of their domains cause death -
Put it simply. Narinder as we see him in the end has no power left. He can stave off death but that must take everything he has, or is the lingering traits of his divinity. Notice that "form" is a representation of power. All of the enemies look weirder, bigger, more sinister, animalistic, strange creatures and even all the minibosses are monsters outright from the powers given to them.
It's strongly suggested in game that there were divines long, long ago and they died. Giving their bones and power to the earth. This is what uplifted the animals...but not all of them. Hence why normal animals exist. It's also why the more power they get, the more they change. But all cult members defeated or innately weak take on the typical lamb cult form. Narinder is pacified. Lamb avoid form change because the red crown is sort of...holding it for him. The power difference between them at this point is astronomical. Narinder is going to be waiting an eternity.
But wouldn’t the lamb technically be immortal too? because he has Narinder’s power and has ascended to the rank of a God
After reading all of Narinder's quest dialogue, I felt a bit sad? He still cared for his siblings, if not a lot then just a small bit. With Leshy, he wondered if the flower's still bloomed since he is gone. Kallamar, reminiscing on how he had a beautiful temple. Heket... I don't know if he actually did care about her. Now lastly, Shamura, saying how she used to be the brightest of them and then becoming silent when you give them spider silk that reminds him of them. Now, he either did realize how much he cared for all of them now that they're dead, or all of this is false and I'm spewing dumb sh*t. If it's the first option, that makes me a bit sad.
I very much agree that he seems to care about them, excluding maybe Heket. And his silence from the silk is probably from realizing the person that loved him most is now dead potentially
It's clear that he still cared about shamura at the very least.
His relationship with heket is implied to be bad. He says even after her through was slit, her words still hurt him. They always had. However Heket is fine with her other siblings. She seems to care especially for leshy (she mentions him a lot in her isolated dialogue. Even referring to him as “dear brother” something no other bishop does!) and shows concern for shamura. In their dialogue together (where she and kallamar inform shamura of leshys death) heket begins with “we didn’t mean to alarm you!” She’s trying to brace shamura for the news, however she is interrupted by kallamar who breaks it immediately. And she shows no real opinion on kallamar
She cares for all her siblings except Narinder, perhaps it has always been that way.
To think, even when they accepted him, Heket never even liked him is just depressing.
U could call shamura they or she or he bc they are transgender
@@Adahy_Bullet which made me wonder, why?
When you said that the gods have wounds I noticed that each wound correlates to sense like hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil and things like that.
Think no evil lol
If I’m remembering correctly I think this is a line somewhere in game
The spider one : walk no evil
@@badluckcharm2371 it is!! its also the name of the achievements for killing them
"See no evil, speak naught, hear nothing, think none."
One thing I found interesting is that this game is made by the same people the made Inscryption and there is a prominent character in both games named Leshy. Don't know if this is just a reference or if it means something, but Inscryption is no stranger to hiding lore in other games so that probably warrants a search.
Both are named after a forest deity of the same name. Wouldn't doubt if they actually got inspiration from inscryption though.
@@lvoryRose likely not inspiration, it's the same people
Correction, it’s PUBLISHED by the same people, the publisher being Devolver Digital.
With the developers being called Massive Monster. Either a coincidence or a reference
Leshy is actually a mythical character.
@@mellonianfello the fact that some people don't know the difference between creator and publisher💀
Fun fact, Heket is actually a frog godess from egyptian mythology
And a fertility goddess. Ironic that in the game she represents famine.
@@FarBeyondStrange not ironic, but intentional
@@FarBeyondStrange I think in this game famine is the other side of her along with fertility, because when you try to rescue a follower from being sacrificed by her cultists for the first time, they said they were doing so to pray that she will "keep the famine at bay"
queen shit
@@serencefrostbite3362 So, she represents fertility by stopping famines that will attack her followers.
Honestly though, I'd love if they dropped a DLC where on a seperate save file, accessible only AFTER you beat the main game, you can play as Narinder in a past events timeline, see what drove him to start changing and growing restless and unhappy with how things were. I'd really like to EXPERIENCE his timeline, rather than just hear more about it, I feel like none of the five really got any spotlight on themselves, only a few key differences between them, Heket being protective over Shamura and their involvement in the situation, Kallamar being terrified of Narinder and the red crown, Leshy being the youngest... I feel like out of all of them Shamura got the most screen time and development as far as their personality and motivations went, we only got little snippets for the rest of them. I'd really love to see more of them when they were alive
Edit: spelling, and correcting myself on Shamura's gender, I often forget that they're specifically referred to with gender neutral pronouns
I would have liked if those other crowns could be used by your followers.
THIS IS AN AWESOME IDEA
@@MochaSlushes I went into more detail about this idea on the subreddit for the game, on a DLC suggestion, but yeah, I think something like this would be really nice
@@eitrtine3448 I’m in the subreddit but I don’t feel like looking for your post lol
I love this so much!! If the devs don't do this. Maybe a mod like this could come out. But who knows?? This would be so cool!
I just beat this game yesterday and something I noticed is that if you indoctrinate The One Who Waits into your cult, you can choose him for the sacrifice ritual. But who are you sacrificing him to? Yourself?
Forget that, you can marry the guy, I lost it after I found out
You do get stronger from the sacrifice, so I guess so. All the sacrifices actually might be for the magic of the crown, since that seems to be the source of their godhood
I have a better question: HOW DOES THE COIN CHEST WORK IF DEFEATED THE PERSON WHO MAKES THE COINS?!??
@@riverquest3239 sorcery beyond the powers of Death and reason.
@@artemismoore4176 Honestly the best ending, i recommend. 10/10 cats are best for wives, Husbands, and right-hand former-bishops to a furry cult.
The crowns seem sentient and almost parasitic in nature given the fact that the purple crown was attaching itself to Shamura's brain. Given the fact that Haro has the **dead white crown** on his head and wears the same robes as the bishops of the old faith (inverted colours) it is most likely that the condition for godhood/ascendancy in this world is if you claim ownership of one of the crowns and it accepts you. Haro escaped/freed himself from being a god/bishop by having his crown die, therefore not having to die himself whilst still being one of the 'forgotten gods'. Additionally, the fact that the red crown would have GLADLY gone back to Narinder should you choose to be sacrificed BUT also chooses to stay with you if you decide to keep it and fight against Narinder makes the red crown seem pickier and more decisive in its host. I want to know WHAT the crowns are and how they came about especially given how important they are to the story, but how absent the other crowns are in the game. When we kill a bishop, does the crown die too? If not, then where does it go? Do we take it back to the cult and make it those trophies/statues? If so, then why can't we pick them up and make our most loyal followers NEW bishops? I really hope the DLC addresses these things are doesn't just pull a "New decoration pack out now"
If the crowns do not die, there could be a possibility of Gods of a New Faith to form from some stranger or remnant cult follower finding them, not that it's likely they'd do a sequel to the game.
When you kill a bishop, you can display their crown as a trophy iirc
you actually make a fine point... tho I raise you this: if new gods are formed, will the cycle simply repeat?
@@Adahy_Bullet i think?
On twitter they said they going be trying get rid of all the bugs on all platforms first then do more major content
I didn't even realize the one who waits was a kitty I was already making a cat cult I can't wait to add him to my catlection now
CATLECTION........
Same, I thought he was a wolf or something
@@artemismoore4176 He literally has face of cat . -.
And his helpers are also obviously cats
@@skell6134 the art style makes it difficult for me to differentiate tbh
Not that I'm complaining, it's very cute
@@artemismoore4176 I dunno,maybe its just mindset differences because i recognized The One Who Waits as Cat immediatly as i saw him,lol
Pretty suspicious how Haro is dressed similarly to the Bishops along with having a crown.
I agree, plus the fact that he knows so much about them
maybe Haro is a god that rather then dying simply lost godhood.
My take is that they play a role similar to the fates - some type of timeless observer
Look up "lesser crowns" it explains most NPCs being immortal, since the game goes through time of multiple lifetimes judging by follower lifespans.
There really is so much unspoken lore in this game that just drives me nuts to learn more about. Besides the bishops and the one who waits, the two I want to know more about would be Ratoo and his lost love (even after finishing his "quest" i still wanna know more) and the big Cat lady who tells you how she had to give up her two kits.. its so heartbreaking and truly wish we could help her reunite them with her again somehow after beating the game.
You kill her two kits before fighting the one who waits.
@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 I know I was trying to not fully give it away- but hey like if we could keep the one who waits why couldnt we somehow keep or bring them back to life as well? Ik its too much to ask but alas one can sometimes wish lolol
the big cat ladies two kits are the two servents of Narinder in the final fight!
she explains it's the one who waits who took her kittens, and we have Baal the first born and Aym the second born.
They are cats, two cats
Baal and Aym are the kittens that were taken away from the Cat Lady and now serves Narinder even after their fall
Fun fact that I learned on the wiki concerning Ratoo- if you use the demon circle and convert one of your followers into the demon Hathor, you can give him "his" heart back, and you get another half heart of health as a bonus. You lose the follower though.
The moment he mentioned how the whole “five becomes four” so on and so forth ties into to eventually fighting that final boi made my brain stop for a moment
I always thought the one who waits was a wolf, 'cause of, y'know, "a wolf in sheep's clothing."
The one who waits is representative of death, something black cats are usually associated with.
That role instead i think went to the Fox Demon that lurks in the shadowy depths of the water in each area asking for making a deal sacrificing a follower. And they reference that line to also be you, the Lamb, having the heartless spirit of a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I had a little headcanon that he was a Lion without a mane.
Just from Shamuras line "a Lion in sheep's clothing" , and if would still fit the cat meaning probably
i literally just thought he was a sheared lamb or something-
Iwas thinking more who he was a jackal, because Anubis was one, was a death god related and is represented in very black tones.
“hunting down every bean” is the absolute best way to describe the beginning
It's always a great sign when the only true complaint of a game is that there isnt enough of it, people want more, more difficulty, more tile types and enemy variety, more lore, more bosses, more npc stuff, more everything.
But for me even as it is now I cant take this game off my mind, its revitalized me with how refreshing the merging of these two gameplay styles is, the crusades are simple so you can jump straight into them from city building without a beat wasting no time letting you change up the gameplay, aswell as forcing you to use different weapons and curses every run, I feel like that does so much more for the game, since you have to approach the how you tackle encounters completely differently.
It's all just fast, snappy, feels great, and the entire package flows like water.
anyone notice that they were basically following. "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil, and i guess think no evil."
oh I like this! great catch
played the pc version, and each Steam achievement tied to defeating the bishops is part of that phrase, with Narinder's being "Do no evil".
In my playthrough, Forneus mentioned that she had two kits she gave up to a god. Baal and Aym are her children.
yep! wanted to focus on Narinder but am thinking about doing another video in the future covering stuff like that
It’s really sad then since she had to give them to “The one who waits” and they end up dying anyway
But who is there dad?
And you can now reunite them
@@Local_furry_guy1 the god of death the cat demon guy
I personally found it cool how the detail after you finish the mushroom village quests line, their leader (don't remember any of their names right now sorry) quite literally dies out of overdose on the "medical" mushrooms u collect for him 🙃
Did he drop anything after he died or was it just him passed away on the floor?
@@Jeremy-bt8lo he was just passed away on the floor, no special drops
Fucking Junky xD
A favoured fan theory is that the mushrooms are similar to Ophiocordyceps, in that they enslave the host. Sozu is an ant, which makes it work even more.
Even more interesting is who the cordyceps mushroom family can controls some behaviors of their hosts in their favor. In the case of ants, the muchroom mess up the brains to the point to obligate them to climb high places, then hug firmly the highest place, only for die and then spray the mushroom spores even better.
Who was the one who offered mushrooms to the lamb then: Zozo or the mushroom in his head?
I noticed Ratau has a different crown, meaning that he was probably a vessel for a different bishop or god, which it doesn’t match any of the crowns we see, meaning he might be implied to either existed longer than we think, or something else.
he presumably have ties with TOWW either way sense he was sent to guid the lamb
No he served the one who waits but chickened out when he was tasked to sacrafice a follower. That s why his paper crown has red on it
@@aaronhammack4599 That seems like what the creators intended. But I do like the idea that Ratau is a disgraced god, who fell from power and then got a deal with Narinder before realizing all this cult stuff wasn’t what he really wanted
If you check out his shack, he's made multiple origami crowns and crumpled up failed ones. It's his way of showing the last lamb that he can be trusted when the time comes to pass on the torch.
Pretty sure the game says he was the previous vessel for The One Who Waits but something happened and he never completed his task…
The Bishops refer to him as a coward who shirked his duties, but Ratau’s friends who accumulate during the game commend his bravery for following his heart and forging his own path in life.
I imagine the paper crown is just a replacement for the actual crown that was taken away, and now worn by the lamb… I’m sure having the near-infinite power of a god snatched away is hard to get over, the paper crown helps him cope.
The only one whos outright called a god is Narinder, I think the bishops are more like physical spokespeople for their gods. And Narinder usurped the previous god of death.
Perhaps. But how is one that commands service from others in the name of one greater, Any different than one greater who commands service from others for the simple reason of being higher?
@@Mariwend they are all siblings, they're all gods.
Maybe in the DLCs you'll be be able to bring back the bishops in some way and make them work for you but I'm pretty sure the developers would go for more lore and trying to mix in some gameplay as well
thats an interesting idea
since the lamb is the last god and is the new god of death (incoming joke) of animal crossing
it make sence he can revive the dead
edit: i meant she
It would make sense, there is already ritual for reviving dead followers
@@janninogabriel9651 Canonically Lamb dont have specified gender even tho entire community decided to make lamb female because... r34 exists XD
@@skell6134 their gender is Death and their orientation is Obey. change my mind :p
in all seriousness tho, female or not they easily earned the position of Death god.
When you dropped that quote about being a follower i thought you were gonna say the whole "One Must Imagine Sisyphus Happy" thing from Albert Camus and at first i was wondering why on Earth you would say that Camus was a cult leader, then the photo came in screen. Different people think of different reasons for why the sparing him ending is not all bad for the one who should have stayed waiting.
I found that there are actually some stories that haven’t been explained, such as, who is the red wolf hidden in the dark night, who is the missing leader of the axolotl, why there are snail statues like snails are important or something, and even some of the npc
All of those quest led to follower forms, but there should be more lore behind them that tie a little more into the story
1. He's a fox
2. Probably just a pretext for a side quest
3. Copy paste question 2
@@jeanremi8384 "Fox"
@@keyabrade1861 his name is literally “fox”
You mean the fox?
I hear the lore of "the one who knocks" is far darker" his death is one not of heroism but of greed.
more like a death of heroinism
Speak now, the holy words!
_"I am the one who knocks... Bitch!"_
Cult of the Lamb is amazing.
Despite a few of these bringing downsides like combat and lore, the game will receive new contents in the future. And of course, it needs tweaks and fixes.
yep! just a really chill experience!
literally immediately married Narinder the moment he joined my cult
Interesting
I am fairly sure the black cat vendor with the tall ornate hat that appears on the map at random is the mother of the two cats at Narinder's feet.
She is! And now you can reunite her with her kits
I did Shamura some justice and married this clown, if he wouldn't accept their love back when then I'll just have to love him for them now
He will not escape
he is the one that won't escape
Wait you aren't supposed to murder Shamura?
@@don_kixotejoga you very much are but lore wise Shamura loved Narinder/The One Who Waits. She is also the one that gave him ideas that lead to Narinder getting chained pretty sure.
Or something like that
Well they would probably be happy that their favorite siblings finally found love
Do you enjoy the dungeon clearing parts of Cult of the Lamb?
I agree that it may be lackluster when it comes to the variety of gimmicky and depth of the combat, but it's simplicity can work when you just want to relax sometimes I suppose. Still I am looking forward to if they add things to crusading when they plan to update the game.
@@NoxSliver5221 I found myself choosing the path of the least amount of combat encounters when clearing dungeons tbh
Although you could argee there is a lack of depth to those segments and you'd not be wrong to do so, i always found myself enjoying them
To be fair, I liked the simplicity for the combat, the enemies do wary quite a bit to not make it stale for me, but one thing that does upset me is that there is no point to extend a run and beat 3 minibosses in a run, other than challenging yourself.
The only thing i like about the game personally was the art, the combat is shallow, its basically worse than Gungeon with Casey. And sadly if I wanted to play Animal Crossing, I would just play Animal Crossing, not a more bare-bones version that relies on a sub-par combat system
One character I hope we get more lore of is the wolf in the dark tbh. Like who the hell does he work for and why did he want Ratau of all people
Here’s the funny thing, by sacrificing the last of the lambs (that being Lambert) the bishops essentially played themselves by dropping their destruction right at Narinder’s doorstep, and Narinder knew this, so all he had to do was play the waiting game, but at the sacrifice of so many lives lost to the headman’s axe
I think that Claunek is the one that gave Shamura the prophecy, the words at the start of the game were in Claunek's voice. Which also means Claunek is the one that gave Shamura the prophecy. This could also explain how Ratau got chosen. Narinder likely would've started trying to escape from the moment he was imprisoned and only discovered the prophecy after the bishops did. Meaning before he would've taken whatever he could get, after the prophecy waiting for the lamb. Another thing worth mentioning is that we're the last lamb, and I think choosing the last lamb to be sacrificed was intentional on Narinder's part. The prophecy says the lamb not a lamb, Narinder doing his best to follow the prophecy to the best of his abilities to best ensure freedom.
There's also some more hidden lore too. For instance, I remember hearing certain dialogue from Forneus - the large black cat who runs the shop with the cat icon tagged on - about having two kits she had to sacrifice to a god. I had a theory and did a google search out of curiosity, and sure enough on her wiki it is explicitly stated that her kits are Aym and Baal. There's no stated reason for why she had to sacrifice them, other than her saying that she couldn't oppose a god...
Then there's Haro: there's no definitive proof, but I think it's possible that he might have been one of the hundreds of gods that once existed that he spoke of in your first encounter with him. I mean, his hat looks awfully similar to the crowns that the bishops wear... maybe the "X" on it is meant to represent that the crown's power is either dead or limited. After all, all of the crowns have a variation of an "eye" on it, and an X'd eye often means a character is dead or unconscious in cartoons and/or anime/manga.
personally if they are going to focus on gameplay rather then lore then add some weapons please, add a scythe or a cross bow, if they choose to focus on lore then make it when ever you summon a demon using the one who wait rather just summon him in any run and when the boss is killed make him say special dialouge depending on the area which allows for the world to be fleshed out and make him atack you insted cause why not, idk i find it cool
Man after all this time being chained to another realm,I feel like narinder just needs a hug
agreed. hug the kitty so they know they at least aren't hated
I feel like EVERYONE in this game needs a hug tbh
(Except Midas, fuck him)
I don't think the combat is terrible, but some changes would definitely be nice. Especially to the gauntlets. I hate those
Weirdly enough, the gauntlet, the one weapon that's basically just your hands, feels the clunkiest out of all of them.
Yeah i hate them sm
Hit detection is terrible on the switch. I've had runs get scuffed repeatedly because of it.
And the axes. Either pump in damage or speed because if it's too slow and weak (like these two), you will die.
@@sapphireclawe the axe Is meant to be the middle point between the sword and the hammer, so I think it's good enough for what it does. Don't combo with it, hit once, immediately run in the opposite direction, repeats.
I personally like the axe a lot because I can still deal moderate amount of damage in a hit, unlike the sword, without being stuck in a deadlock of swing animation like the hammer.
About god's names:
*Leshy, Leshiy, Lechen* (Леший, Лесовик) in Slavic folklore means "spirit/guardian of a forest" literally "the one that lives in a forest"(look Witcher 3 for example). Like vodyanoy (rivers, lakes), domovoi (house) etc.
*Heket* is a goddess of fertility and childbirth with frog head from Ancient Egyptian mythology.
*Kallаmar* - in some languages similar word means "squid"
*Shamura* - dunno. There is a surname Шамура and (sur)names usually means something. But it could be coincidence.
1:15 look at the amount of eyes each bishop has. Leshy had his one ripped out and now wears a bandage, Kallamar has two, Narinder has 3, Heket has 4, and Shamura also has 4 but I think that they had a fifth as with Leshy. So Leshy is 1, Kallamar is 2, Narinder 3, Heket 4 and Shamura has 5.
IDK if this is important in any way but thats fun
EDIT 1: Changed the order of words from "Leshy ripped his one out" to "Leshy had his one ripped out" for additional clarity. Also changed the pronoun usage when referring to Shamura.
Oh I think this is actually in order of youngest to oldest too, which is a lot of fun
The bishops didnt give themselves their injuries, Narinder gave it to them when they imprisoned him.
@Monologue Leshy had 1 eye, and currently has none. The one with 4 eyes is Heket, who is the frog-looking bishop. You might be referring to Shamura, but in my comment I stated that I believed that they previously had 5 eyes but had one removed by Narinder in the same injury that damaged their brain.
@Monologue That is incorrect. Heket has 6 eyes in her final form. Just take one look at Narinder, he has 21 eyes.
@Monologue This reply is super long, so TL;DR, even though the bishops are of the same or similar species as animals from their region, using the amount of eyes that an animal from their region has to determine the amount of eyes that they have is an incorrect assumption that requires huge leaps of logic to get to and can be easier explained with simple coincidence.
While it is correct that the enemies and bishops of the same region are based upon the same animals, the connection between these animals and the number of eyes that Leshy has is a strenuous connection, at best. I presume that you mean that the animals within the region that the bishop resides have a number of eyes corresponding to the amount of eyes that the bishop has. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is this argument that I will argue against.
There are 5 types of common enemies located solely in Darkwood, which is the same area in which Leshy resides. These are the Bat, the Chaser Worm, the Jumper Worm, the Burrowing Spike Worm, and the Burrowing Spit worm. let's focus on these one at a time.
The Bat is not related to Leshy's appearance, as Leshy is a caterpillar/worm (bagworm moth caterpillar is the animal species Leshy is based off of, if you are interested). The Chaser Worm only has 2 eyes, and both types of Burrowing worms lack any amount of eyes. This means that the only enemy that supports your argument is the Jumper Worm, which I do admit has 4 eyes. However, this seems to be coincidental rather than purposeful, which is supported by simply looking at the other bishops.
Heket has 4 eyes, but the enemies in Anura only ever have 2 eyes. The 3 frogs of this region, that being the Hopper, Burp Hopper, and the Mortar Hopper, can clearly be seen as having 2 eyes each. If your argument was correct, this would imply that Heket has 2 eyes, which she does not.
Kallamar has 2 eyes, residing within Anchordeep. Of his 11 enemies, 10 are jellyfish. Of all these jellyfish, 1 has 0 eyes, 4 have 1 eye, and 2 have 3 eyes. In all actuality, only 3 of these jellyfish have 2 eyes. This means that if we take the largest group, Kallamar should have 1 eye, which he does not.
Shamura is a spider which I claimed to have originally had 5 eyes. Looking at the 7 kinds of enemies, 4 are spiders. Of these spiders, 1 has 8 eyes and 3 have 12 eyes. Shamura, of course, has 4 eyes currently and 5 eyes previously, which is a trait that none of these enemies share.
Narinder is the last bishop to consider, but given that his only minions have 2 eyes each (ignoring the fact that Aym appears to have damaged his right eye), I believe that we can move on from this.
Concluding this, we can see that your logic could only work with 2 bishops and even then only if we exclude enemies which should have qualified anyway. In the end, it is clear that the connection between the bishops' amount of eyes and the amount of eyes that their minions have is thinner than a single sheet of paper. Sorry if this took long to read, but I had to make sure that all of the evidence was here.
e is an incorrect assumption that requires huge leaps of logic to get to and can be easier explained with simple coincidence.
Man considering how rings of power turns out that ending doesn’t age well lmao
Aged like milk
I like milk
babbdi lore explained pls this game confuses me.
nosir it didn't.
bit too quick on the draw.
also was very off putting.
@@basitionI think The one Who Waits was one Of The Evil 55.
The last lamp surviver and the instinct of his kind stuck to be immortal and a god how tragic this lamp story is...
You know that cat that sells stuff? (Can't remember his name) he says the he had 2 sons that left to worship Narinder, and at the end when you fight him you see two other cat-like creatures. Those creatures are the shopkeeper's sons... That you have to kill
New god + old god = power couple
I'm calling it, from now on in the Hollow Knight community we use _shaw_ instead of _shit_
I enjoyed playing the game too, and like you said, I think the combat is lacking a bit and could be improved on. What I don't particularly agree with is that It's missing lore. I don't think that every game has to have massive and fantastic lore, every game has their own area which they excel in. For example: Dark souls has lots of lore, a good combat sytem etc. but has some absolute bs areas like blighttown, TOtG, and Lost Izalith. Or Cuphead has amazing art, music plus bosses that are really fun to fight, but isn't exactly the easiest game in the world, which is a good thing from a certain point of view. Basically, every game is different and I think Cult of the Lamb excells at other things, such as the artstyle, the way you build your cult, by recruiting, expanding and performing rituals.
TL;DR: CotL isn't lacking lore, it has different aspects of it that make it unique.
for me its the fact that it has all these wacky characters that show up that have nothing to them
Then the game should not act like we should care about the world with all these quotes between each boss.
Something I noticed is the order you can tackle things and how the bishops say different things. Heket even asks the Lamb have they, her and her siblings, suffered through enough, if you don't kill anyone yet if I remember right. I feel like this implies, at least to me, that she took being betrayed the hardest out of everyone, and probably went under tons of stress as a result, since out of everyone, she seems the least effected by her injuries, at least compared to her wisest sibling which is kinda a big deal if you think about it.
I think there should improved more the cult part, it feels more like a babysitter simulator since no one clean their own craps.
"Or, pull a complete 180 and marry this psycho" The best part about that line is that there are many people who want to do that
I'm bad at playing video games, so the simple battle game play was much appreciated for me! Though I can understand how it can get boring for someone who has already gotten good
5:59 Measly cult member? Given the social media account of the devs, and also now a year later the upcoming Sins of the Flesh update teaser that shows him alongside the other followers, i’d say the running trend of Narinder becoming your husband is canon.
Narinder is the best post game reward you can have, if you loose all followers your game is deleted no if ands or buts, but if you simply let Narinder spend his eternity in prison you will never need to have that worry.
I made three reddit essays on the personalities and relationships between bishops. Haven’t done narinder yet. Might borrow some talking points…
But their relationships are so interesting. So here’s some paraphrasing of those essays
Leshy is the baby, no matter how old he is. He’s still weak and the other bishops know this. He has respect for his older siblings and a great deal of care for them.
Since he is not a reference to one of the four horsemen, and he came last, it’s possible he is FAR younger than the other bishops.
His relationship with heket has always been interesting to me.
When you defeat him and reach her domain, she mentions him a lot. She even calls him “dear brother” not even shamura does that when they talk about narinder. She’s probably very protective of him. It’s entirely possible, being the second youngest, she didn’t have as much responsibility and had time so she was there to guide him. Just a headcanon.
And here’s something special. Heket and Leshy are the only bishops with special dialogue if the other is dead when you reach them. As we know, our very first isolated encounter with heket is her yelling at us and starving our followers. If leshy is alive, her dialogue is far more relaxed. Perhaps her grief has turned to anger and she has nobody to blame but us
Leshy’s first isolated dialogue when heket is already dead is more aggressive than usual. Normally he just talks to us like we’re stupid and advises we run. But if his older sister has been slain, he threatens us with actual harm and also screams at us. Again, he’s angry. Anger is a form of grief.
This sticks out to me. The two oldest bishops, narinder and shamura, have a clear and established bond. And the two youngest have one that’s strongly implied.
But what about kallamar? His siblings find him to be weak. He is weak. He’s implied to not be the type to think ahead, as he believes we cannot harm him in his temple. Poor guy
They still have family bonds even if they appear more as work partners in the game. And it’s nice.
1:37 *B e a n*
Me: Yeah makes sense.
I realized a minute later Pogo actually said being
interesting chronological analysis of such a dark but lovable tale, intriguing mention of an entire pantheon in the ancient faith, and possible DLC expansions that further explore its contextual background.
I think the combat is fine, and I’m on my way to the fourth bishop and haven’t gotten tired of it yet. As for the next update, I want to see more complex follower forms. They all look damn near identical in the face and their little bodies are way too uniform. For example, an arachnid follower would actually have eight legs, or at least more that two of eight would be too many for the small form.
Exactly. The game is repetitive but by some reason you just can't get old with him.
I actually think the samey follower forms fit well, because theyre supposed to be these expendable servants you dont actually care about in the end. Theyre all brainwashed into doing the exact things and thinking the exact ways, so it makes sense that their base model is the exact same
Man I thought Narinder was a wolf for so long- like the wolf and sheep in folktale?? Man this is news for me
The thing I'm curious about is the other crowns. Not the bishops or the red crown.
There's atleast 4 other crowns in the game that aren't brought up. Including Haros.
3:02 Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
I wish this game will get a DLC and you can get the Bishops as followers. Like, I just want all Bishops and Narinder as followers.
and get all the bishops as your lovers
That would be so hilarious
Are you guys fortune tellers or something
My guess is that there is going to be a new faith in the future and the next qualm for our lamb to solve would be to advance the cult or fight for the old faith. Will the lamb fight to remain the final god or choose to let others rise by its side in pantheon?
I wouldn't be surprised that Narinder having voraphile fetish in absorbing the gods that once roamed the world before he decide his four other siblings are yummy too, except they saw that coming and put The One Who Waits in chains that lasts thousands of years.
No I am not making that up, it's just said differently than what lore bird Haro have told the players. Vore themes are easy to notice.
I actually love the dungeon clearing part
It’s my first experience with something like this so I can understand if someone who likes those types of games can see it as repetitive
It's a small thing but pretty sure the 2 mini boss cats you have to fight are the children of the traveling merchant cat you can run into
Maybe I just like Ratau but some more story behind him and his friends would be cool. Also being able to get more from the vendors areas would be neat because they open up whole areas of the map....but it's only to buy stuff that you can just unlock in the game anyways.....like seriously besides for finding Bad Fox what's the point? I wanna fight Bad Fox not sacrifice Ratau o.o
To me it seems that while the prophecy is inevitable, the other gods were pretty much in the right for imprisoning the one who waits, as manipulating death will have consequences that effect all mortals, followers of the old faith or not.
I hope we get dlcs exploring the history leading up to The Lamb's ascent to power.
Here’s something interesting that I just realized, Kalamar calls Ratou a pathetic sniveling coward but When you’re in the progress of leading up to his boss fight he actually begs for his life so I guess that tells you who the true coward is🤣
One thing I keep seeing and hearing regarding the combat is that it is boring or doesn’t have enough going for it but risk of rain and binding of Isaac are perfect examples of how the combat can be extremely simple yet satisfying, I just feel like it’s a very weak critique or argument in my opinion it feels like a cop out rather than it being an actual flaw, if that’s the case than I’d argue binding of Isaac combat system is just as bad if not worst since you have only ONE way to attack, which we all know just isn’t the case, I feel like too many people expected it to be like this combat heavy dungeon crawler when, it’s a rogue like, they all tend to be very simple in their combat designs and execution and it tends to work.
One weird thing I noticed was the claim that death doesn't change when in tarot card the death card means change; considering the fact that a magee part of the game is using tarot cards to power yourself up it is kinda weird.
I realize the bishops all have something to do with their problem because chaos is blind, the throat less will feed forever, disease spread thro the mind not the ears, and war is thoughtless.
One thing I really want from this game is to have follower forms of the bishops of the old faith. I will also be there punishment for killing us so now they will now be servents of our cult and put their cults out of submission
I know it makes sense from a lore standpoint how we can't kill The One Who Waits, because, like, how do you kill Death? But I would really love it if there was a choice to get all the other Bishops into a cult, like a mercy/kill thing.
People keep talking about how they are disappointed in this game but I’m just… not? It’s one of the best games I’ve played in a long time. And I never got bored of the combat or disappointed in anything. It’s really good, and I think the reason people are disappointed in it is because they’re spending too long comparing it to other things instead of judging it by its own merits.
2:10 wasn’t this also said in the beginning
Idk what the exact lines were but it was basically that they were killing all lambs and you are the last one that they have to kill
I have never had any problems with the game except getting attached to characters that died
“Mistuh White, what are you doing”
*“I am the one who waits”*
I love this game. It does have some glitches but the dungeons are great and the cult is fun I hope they don't change anything about it.
My Theory:
So the "One who waits" also known as Narinder is the supposed god of death, well what I am speculating is that possible they are linked to Norse mythology.
My username is Rindr, Rindr/Rinder is the goddess of the frozen earth (Winter) And what does winter do? it makes everything that cannot handle the harsh weather wilt or die away, Maybe I sound absolutely off my rocker but hear me out. Narinder's base is all white, now yes this could be a design choice or it could possibly symbolize snow, also in their base, there are no trees/flowers as there are in any of the other bishop's rooms. The bishops have more natural-looking rooms as opposed to Narinders which is white and looks very dead, to add to this you walk much slower in their base and there are lumps of white ALL around This is just my speculation and it could totally be a coincidence but what if it wasn't? that would be cool >w
The kill Narinder option has the feel of a canon ending. There are lots of different stories in which characters defeat their masters, killing them and inheriting their power.
Do you know what makes the Bishop of Death's situation worse? If you look at the titles of the soundtracks of the two bosses before Narinder, then we will see "First Son, Baal" and "Second Son, Aim".
To live forever as a servant of your former servant, who took away your strength and power, and not only killed your brothers and sister, but also your two children-... that's the real horror.
i feel sorry for Forneus who had to give her children up in the first place.
@@imnotthatcapable4851 spoilers:
you can reunite baal and aym with forneus :)
It's confirmed in an AMA by the developers that Baal and Aym are not biologically TOWW's children, but they see him as a fatherly figure.
And they call him "Master", not "Father"
The relics of the old faith is finally here!
I LOVE the lore, and I really hope we get explanation for how the ascension to godhood works, and a basic history lesson.
Interesting enough you didn't mention the Bishops represent the 4 Horsemen of the apocalypse, Chaos being the odd one out
This is truly hit deep with cult of the lamb bizarre lore and character designs before trying to really play this game
2:44 THANK YOU FOR CALLING SHAMURA A THEY.
I still wish you could get the 4 Bishops as cult members.
1:29 and that was because he was tasked with death but didnt wanna kill people and instead wanted to revive them but the bishops punished him for his kindness and sealing him in the afterlife with his attacks in self defense injuring his siblings permanently with leshy losing his eye, heket getting her throat damaged, kalamar losing his ears and shamura getting brain damage and only being able to speak in riddles (my Interpretation)
Love the fact that when you spoke about inferring lore there was blurred Elden Ring gameplay in the background. Nice jab
Pogobro: You can do whatever you want with Narinder, make him work in the rock mines, or make him eat poop bowls
Me: Ok your job is to farm and Cheery Cauliflower dish is served most of the time also I improved your sleeping tent
the lil flash of text at 4:21 reads "THATS A LOT OF LORD OF THE RINGS REFERENCES IN ONE VIDEO POGO I SURE HOPE THIS ISNT FORSHADOWING FOR SOMETHING LATER IN THE VIDEO THAT WOULD BE REALLY CRINGE TO SETUP VIDEO GEE WHAT A NERD NO WAY THIS PAYS OFF ITS JUST A BIT TO" if anyone is curious
Im so close to finishing the game, the eldritch phase of the one who waits is just really hard imo
Maybe is was just a me thing, but I loved Cult of the Lamb’s combat. Probably because I binged A LOT of rogue likes so just being able to sit down and enjoy one felt nice and refreshing instead of being insanely challenged.
This video kind of gives an interesting thought about Narinder mostly the line about being a follower is more fun while being a leader pays more or something as if to imply though he'd pissed he might actually enjoy not having to lead anymore(or at least until Lamb dies though maybe not since Lamb seems to be a god now) which makes it even funnier that the video for the new update Sins of the Flesh has him dancing naked with everyone while looking to enjoy himself
I think an interesting bit is Narinder's followers Baal and Aym, someone mentioned already that Forneus an NPC shopkeeper is their mom but it's possibly to revive them as followers before taking them with you & returning them to their mom.(Though do eventually leave to be a wanderer & a warrior with Forneus saying she's just glad they followed their hearts & she knew they'd have to leave one day) There's also dialogue were Narinder mentions he didn't take them they were gifts & Shamura also mentions Baal & Aym by rambling about two kits in their claws & that they were a gift to Narinder due to not wanting him to be lonely. Given this video is a year old you likely know but I just found it interesting since some others brought it up in the comment section.
3:07 I didn't expect anyone to still remember the Spanish Inquisition up to this day
It could be that they didnt realize the prophecy was literal and were just sacrificing all "lambs" as in followers .
3:55 shamura’s skull was actually ripped out and that caused shamura brain damage
Originally I was gonna marry The One Who Waits to add a lot more insult to injury, but instead I made him in an enforcer so he kept my other followers loyal to MY cult. I figured that was the best punishment.
Interesting part I've seen since the update is getting the kits back togheter with their mom, so that part is nice.
Yeah this video is pretty outdated
Yeah narinder ends up with a fate worse than death. That in a shit ton of the save files the player and him end up married. If that isn't petty idk what it is. Also should have the old god's not killed the lambs but edited the prophecy chances are narinder would would have stayed trapped longer if not forever
Leshys quote says"you were put to the blade,just as the rest of your kind.yet you stand here before me-"