@@HillierHugh No they haven't. Go to any Victoria Line station and they *will* be using ATO. Look in the cab and the driver will be pressing the ATO Start buttons
Okay so here’s the jist of it. The original system that started in 1968 was shut down in 2012 when they swapped trains. But they have put a newer system on since
@@HillierHugh That's not my point. The trains are still automatically driven and has done that for the entirety of its existence during normal operation.
They did put the placeholders in for PEDs at the northern line extension stations, meaning they can be quickly installed in the future. The thing is though they can't install PEDs until they upgrade the trains and signalling to work with them. One thing that confuses me though is on the Battersea extension they did put the placeholders for PEDs in, but when they redid Bank, the didn't, which seems like an odd decision since they were redoing the station anyway
Isn’t the Northern line automatic though? It should work fine, also the stock is near identical to that of the Jubilee line, only difference is that it is technically newer and more reliable. Edit: so apparently they would need to refurbish the 1995 stock to work with the PEDs
@@axethepenguin They are automatic, but don’t have the technology to open the PEDs, only the doors on the train itself. If they were to install PEDs now, they would have to leave them open all the time, or make a manual opening system, and make the automatic system a little better to line up perfectly.
As a person who actually went to the Dome in Y2K... I and all others I know who actually went would still to this day say it was a huge success. At least London did something for the y2k unlike most of the rest of the world... The Dome was a very good y2k exhibition, destination Arena for events, cinemas, restaurants... shame it did not get to also have a Casino! Most of all it was and is a success because the entire area was Toxic Brown Field land that required £billions of toxic clean up works which laid the foundations for the dome and all the urban regeneration housing developments. IF the dome had not been constructed, the cost of the clean up of the toxic brown field site would have been deemed too Costly and the entire area would still be ... a toxic brown field derelict peninsula. The Dome was the vehicle for the clean up to create the revenue streams of House and business buildings. There are multiple revenue streams. House sales, property taxes, business rates, VAT, business rental units, and many other ancillary industries to support all that is there and that will be there when the building works are completed in decades to come.
@@ugiswrong It was contaminated with Heavy Metals... the toxicity would have already have been apparent. I lived across the river from the Dome and personally saw the land reclamation turning a toxic Brown Field Site into useful Urban real estate. Without the Dome project, the English gammons and spooners would have whinged about the £billions of government money spent to make land for Private Companies to build/construct and make profits. Your remarks are demonstrative of a person who can not comprehend Urban Regeneration Processes.
The platforms on the northern line extension were built so that platform edge doors could be retrofitted if they were to ever refurbish/replace the 1995 stock
Yeah and maybe if Crossrail 2 has been given the green light and constuction works begin. We might see the Northern line extension go to Clapham Junction to support it. But time will tell.
Very interesting - I hadn't clocked a lot of those points! One thing about the JLE was that it has no cross-platform interchanges (though on the 'old' section there are, at Baker Street, Finchley Road, and Wembley Park). Given the amount of money spent on other stuff (PEDs etc.) cost was not the reason. I've heard hints that 'management' felt that XPIs were too troublesome, for crowd control etc., but for passengers they are a real boon - one reason why the Victoria line is so popular.
Comparing the jubilee line extension to the Elizabeth Line, you’d have to say that the noise, lack of air conditioning and lack of walk through carriages reminds you that it’s not state of the art. The trains are now 25+ years old so maybe these things can get sorted out when they’re eventually replaced.
Glad you mentioned the noise right at the end. It screams at you sometimes. I think the biggest problems are probably on the old (ex Bakerloo) section but there is a plan to slow the trains a bit to make it less excruciating
Each of the lines or sections of lines do have a unique look, it’s like stepping through different eras such as departing the Bakerloo or Northern Line for the Jubliee Line or vice versa.
The northern line extension wasn’t fitted with PEDs because the 1995 stock cannot cope with it, if they do change this, they will install PEDs at Nine Elms and Battersea Power Station
I rode the Northern Line extension recently. I didn't go upstairs much but I thought how low tech the platforms looked compared to the JLE with its screen doors.
1999 - I just realised that's the same year as Bangkok opened their first mass transit system - the skytrain (above some roads in the centre, on elevated tracks). They've since extended it multiple times, added multiple lines of underground metro, which they also extended (and every underground station has platform screen doors). And are currently building 2 monorails due to open this year (the longer one over 40 km long) as well as another metro line. Obviously, they still have a bit of a distance to go to catch up with London's network, but at the rate stuff gets built in the UK...
Compared to London, Bangkok has a lot of catching up to do & their projects are delayed by similar arguments. The Skytrain (BTS) took over 15 years from planning to opening. Now they found out how useful it is, they are in a hurry to get more MRT lines open. The upgraded airport rail link was cancelled completely, then the airport was replaced with a new one, then the old one re-opened because the new one could not cope. That sounds much like the way things work in London.
@@TheRip72 Yes - but even with multiple coups, they're still building more new lines faster than we are. Or do you think HS2 will open before the new high speed railway line they're building between Don Muang airport, Suvarnabhumi airport and U-Tapao airport. - We're already building, they only got title on the land for it recently so haven't built anything yet. Want a bet on which is finished first? Obviously I could have picked the high speed line to Laos, but they've already started building that one, so it wouldn't be a fair competition. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangkok%E2%80%93Nong_Khai_high-speed_railway
It still amazes me - the amount of money spent of public transport in London while other big cities in the rest of England and the UK get very little investment and have such poor infrastructure.
The 2009 stock is not driven manually except on Sundays and night tube between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow Central to keep driver knowledge up. The units use DTG-R which is a more up to date version of the ATP the 1967 Stocks used. The current Victoria line timetable is impossible to be driven manually. The 1996 stock is one of the most shot trains in London. Not a few years ago entire fleet had to be withdrawn due to cracks in the coupling plates owing to the forces experienced during acceleration and the fact that the TBTC signalling does not idle the units. They were not built for automated operation and it shows. Similar issues are starting to arise on the 1995 stocks right now. The 1996 stock and so troublesome that TfL are already discussing their replacement. I think you should’ve done a little bit more research before making this.
The reason why other stations don’t have platform doors fitted is because the main reason for them is not to stop people from falling on to the track. This is why the open air JLE and Elizabeth line stations do not have them. PED’s also require an 2 way interface to talk to the trains door control system, hence you can’t install them at new stations without modifying the trains so they can communicate with the doors. TFL are not going to modify the northern line trains for 2 stations and the Piccadilly line trains are so old they probably couldn’t be upgraded anyway!
Actuslly, the overground stations don’t have them for electricity issues. They would either fall by heavy wind, or get electrical components danaged with rain, no matter how well-built it is. Underground, only the Jubilee and Elizabeth lines have PED technology, so only they can have PEDs installed. I believe NTFL trains will have PED technology, and so will every new train coming in the future (maybe). PED technology is necessary to line up the train correctly, and to get the PEDs to open when pressing a button inside the train - you don’t want drivers to open cab doors and reach out for a button on the PEDs, or passangers using the manual release tab thingy.
Also, the picadilly (along with bakerloo, central and W&C) are getting new trains at an estimated year of 2024, but i think it will be delayed to 2025 because of TfL funding issues, and because of how they delayed the Elizabeth line
@@Farleigh1050 Sorry but this simply isn’t true. You could design PED’s suitable for external use if it was deemed necessary. I do agree that the NTFL trains will be designed to be capable of using PED’s however but I kind of alluded to that when I explained why the Northern and Piccadilly lines don’t have them.
@@Farleigh1050 Why would it be? We have all kinds of complicated electrical equipment that works outside, such as trains for example. There are even escalators in some places which are totally exposed to the weather.
A genuine question: What will happen to the PEDs when the 1996 stock comes up for replacement. Would they specifically build new trains with a door layout that would work with them, or would they remove them so they could have a new door layout that can get people on faster, and later refit them once all new trains are out and all old ones are gone?
I'm not sure that the Millennium dome exhibition was a "compleate flop" as you put it. Although it only attracted just over half of the projected 12 million visitors, it was still the most visited paid for attraction in Britain that year.
Also, contrary to what is said in the video, North Greenwich Station wasn't built for the Millennium Dome exhibition. It was planned, and work to build it started, before the Dome was thought of. However the fact of the station being built may have been a factor in the decision to locate the Millennium exhibition on the Greenwich peninsula.
I did find that the use of concrete tunnel lining instead of the traditional steel ones make for very loud, resonant and unpleasant noise when travelling on the Jubilee line.
Although undoubtedly an engineering triumph, the stations on the JLE these days feel a bit gloomy, at least compared to the bright and fresh stations on Crossrail. It's almost like they were trying to be futuristic (with the timing of its opening, late 1999, just in time for the new millennium celebrations) and now, nearly 25 years later, they're looking increasingly tired
I reckon for a few reasons. Firstly, probably cost. Having the infrastructure built and then installed might cost millions per station. Second, is probably that most of the stations don't have the correct existing infrastructure on the platforms to simply install them, possibly might need to remake the platforms. Lastly, the doors have to be able to talk with the rest of the train system, which I think on certain trains on certain lines don't have the capability. Obviously the second 2 reasons tie into the first reason, which is just that it would cost a lot of money. Probably would cost billions.
because some people would like to exit their train without the emergency release. additionally, not all lines have ATO so misaligned doors and non-integrated PEDs make a really bad station
I don't like platform edge doors at all. If you're drunk and fall into the track, you fall into the trough below the trains and get sooty but that's all. I prefer the space and the air turbulence of open stations.
My first impression of the new stations was one of stark, unwelcoming brutalism that looks unfinished. There should be a planning law against leaving concrete exposed. Why hasn't it dawned on anyone that the damned stuff ages so badly and should be clad with something more ascetically pleasing?
I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train station in Chingford could they extend the DLR. All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
The stations on the extension line have a certain Y2K/Early 00s retro futuristic vibe to the stations, I don’t even think the Elizabeth line stations will age as well, and those stations are twenty years newer! The stations being so large on the JLE serves a major purpose in being rail heads and major bus/tube interchanges, North Greenwich despite the name really serves the areas of Blackheath, Charlton & Woolwich, it’s three stations in one.
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The Victoria Line is actually automatically driven. It has been since 1967.
@@HillierHugh No they haven't. Go to any Victoria Line station and they *will* be using ATO.
Look in the cab and the driver will be pressing the ATO Start buttons
Okay so here’s the jist of it. The original system that started in 1968 was shut down in 2012 when they swapped trains. But they have put a newer system on since
@@HillierHugh That's not my point.
The trains are still automatically driven and has done that for the entirety of its existence during normal operation.
ah, you're still alive
@@urduppa Wdym
2009 Stock isn't driven manually. The Vic uses digital moving block ATO. Its frequency isn't possible if using manual driving.
Exactly
I think it was very advanced for the 1990s, the stations only look about 10-15 year old
They did put the placeholders in for PEDs at the northern line extension stations, meaning they can be quickly installed in the future. The thing is though they can't install PEDs until they upgrade the trains and signalling to work with them. One thing that confuses me though is on the Battersea extension they did put the placeholders for PEDs in, but when they redid Bank, the didn't, which seems like an odd decision since they were redoing the station anyway
Isn’t the Northern line automatic though? It should work fine, also the stock is near identical to that of the Jubilee line, only difference is that it is technically newer and more reliable.
Edit: so apparently they would need to refurbish the 1995 stock to work with the PEDs
@@axethepenguin They are automatic, but don’t have the technology to open the PEDs, only the doors on the train itself. If they were to install PEDs now, they would have to leave them open all the time, or make a manual opening system, and make the automatic system a little better to line up perfectly.
@@Farleigh1050 yep I found that out just after writing the comment lol
@@axethepenguin oh
I love the JLE, it's a really different and unique looking place compared to everywhere else on the tube, it is incredibly loud though
I love the sound of the 1996 stock trains, it's one of those sounds that takes me back to London whenever I hear it.
Very well. It still looks very futuristic, it is how you make concrete and steel look beautiful, and Westminster JLE is still my favourite station.
As a person who actually went to the Dome in Y2K... I and all others I know who actually went would still to this day say it was a huge success. At least London did something for the y2k unlike most of the rest of the world...
The Dome was a very good y2k exhibition, destination Arena for events, cinemas, restaurants... shame it did not get to also have a Casino!
Most of all it was and is a success because the entire area was Toxic Brown Field land that required £billions of toxic clean up works which laid the foundations for the dome and all the urban regeneration housing developments.
IF the dome had not been constructed, the cost of the clean up of the toxic brown field site would have been deemed too Costly and the entire area would still be ... a toxic brown field derelict peninsula. The Dome was the vehicle for the clean up to create the revenue streams of House and business buildings. There are multiple revenue streams. House sales, property taxes, business rates, VAT, business rental units, and many other ancillary industries to support all that is there and that will be there when the building works are completed in decades to come.
Like that was cleaned properly. Let’s check cancer rates in 2040
@@ugiswrong It was contaminated with Heavy Metals... the toxicity would have already have been apparent. I lived across the river from the Dome and personally saw the land reclamation turning a toxic Brown Field Site into useful Urban real estate. Without the Dome project, the English gammons and spooners would have whinged about the £billions of government money spent to make land for Private Companies to build/construct and make profits.
Your remarks are demonstrative of a person who can not comprehend Urban Regeneration Processes.
A really interesting video! You pointed out some great JLE facts which I hadn’t noticed as well!
The platforms on the northern line extension were built so that platform edge doors could be retrofitted if they were to ever refurbish/replace the 1995 stock
Yeah and maybe if Crossrail 2 has been given the green light and constuction works begin. We might see the Northern line extension go to Clapham Junction to support it. But time will tell.
cool video Hugh, lets see some great content like this, over the course of this year I love the sound of the Jubilee Line when the train sets off
24 years old
I remember going on it before it was joined up
to visit Tate Modern
and to look at the new stations.
Now I feel old.
Very interesting - I hadn't clocked a lot of those points! One thing about the JLE was that it has no cross-platform interchanges (though on the 'old' section there are, at Baker Street, Finchley Road, and Wembley Park). Given the amount of money spent on other stuff (PEDs etc.) cost was not the reason. I've heard hints that 'management' felt that XPIs were too troublesome, for crowd control etc., but for passengers they are a real boon - one reason why the Victoria line is so popular.
Comparing the jubilee line extension to the Elizabeth Line, you’d have to say that the noise, lack of air conditioning and lack of walk through carriages reminds you that it’s not state of the art.
The trains are now 25+ years old so maybe these things can get sorted out when they’re eventually replaced.
Glad you mentioned the noise right at the end. It screams at you sometimes. I think the biggest problems are probably on the old (ex Bakerloo) section but there is a plan to slow the trains a bit to make it less excruciating
Really good video. Honestly enjoyed it
For some reason Westminster JLE station scares me. Its brutal features seem to trigger weird feelings of claustrophobia and vertigo at the same time.
maybe it was made for a James Bond movie.
Each of the lines or sections of lines do have a unique look, it’s like stepping through different eras such as departing the Bakerloo or Northern Line for the Jubliee Line or vice versa.
The northern line extension wasn’t fitted with PEDs because the 1995 stock cannot cope with it, if they do change this, they will install PEDs at Nine Elms and Battersea Power Station
Great video!
Great video. ☺️
Very well, I think it still looks very futuristic
The stations still look futuristic today!
Huge stations like cathedrals then in comes a tiny train !
The J.L extension stations are far more architecturally impressive than the two new N.L stations - which both scream 'shoestring'...
I rode the Northern Line extension recently. I didn't go upstairs much but I thought how low tech the platforms looked compared to the JLE with its screen doors.
The new Northern line Bank platform and concourse look pretty neat!
1999 - I just realised that's the same year as Bangkok opened their first mass transit system - the skytrain (above some roads in the centre, on elevated tracks).
They've since extended it multiple times, added multiple lines of underground metro, which they also extended (and every underground station has platform screen doors). And are currently building 2 monorails due to open this year (the longer one over 40 km long) as well as another metro line.
Obviously, they still have a bit of a distance to go to catch up with London's network, but at the rate stuff gets built in the UK...
Compared to London, Bangkok has a lot of catching up to do & their projects are delayed by similar arguments. The Skytrain (BTS) took over 15 years from planning to opening. Now they found out how useful it is, they are in a hurry to get more MRT lines open.
The upgraded airport rail link was cancelled completely, then the airport was replaced with a new one, then the old one re-opened because the new one could not cope.
That sounds much like the way things work in London.
@@TheRip72 Yes - but even with multiple coups, they're still building more new lines faster than we are.
Or do you think HS2 will open before the new high speed railway line they're building between Don Muang airport, Suvarnabhumi airport and U-Tapao airport. - We're already building, they only got title on the land for it recently so haven't built anything yet. Want a bet on which is finished first?
Obviously I could have picked the high speed line to Laos, but they've already started building that one, so it wouldn't be a fair competition. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangkok%E2%80%93Nong_Khai_high-speed_railway
It still amazes me - the amount of money spent of public transport in London while other big cities in the rest of England and the UK get very little investment and have such poor infrastructure.
Goos vid and I pretty much agree. Except when it comes to the Dome. A flop? Maybe a little underwhelming is better.
I can remember the 1938 stock on the District line, the boneshaker as we called it.
The stations on the JLE look worn out rather than worn in, tbh. The grey hasn’t aged well in places like Canada Water etc
Huh the 09stock does use ATO
The 2009 stock is not driven manually except on Sundays and night tube between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow Central to keep driver knowledge up. The units use DTG-R which is a more up to date version of the ATP the 1967 Stocks used. The current Victoria line timetable is impossible to be driven manually.
The 1996 stock is one of the most shot trains in London. Not a few years ago entire fleet had to be withdrawn due to cracks in the coupling plates owing to the forces experienced during acceleration and the fact that the TBTC signalling does not idle the units. They were not built for automated operation and it shows. Similar issues are starting to arise on the 1995 stocks right now. The 1996 stock and so troublesome that TfL are already discussing their replacement.
I think you should’ve done a little bit more research before making this.
Hornby Railways designed the software i believe for the DLR
Try putting it on clapham common and clapham north 😂
-Mev
The reason why other stations don’t have platform doors fitted is because the main reason for them is not to stop people from falling on to the track.
This is why the open air JLE and Elizabeth line stations do not have them.
PED’s also require an 2 way interface to talk to the trains door control system, hence you can’t install them at new stations without modifying the trains so they can communicate with the doors. TFL are not going to modify the northern line trains for 2 stations and the Piccadilly line trains are so old they probably couldn’t be upgraded anyway!
Actuslly, the overground stations don’t have them for electricity issues. They would either fall by heavy wind, or get electrical components danaged with rain, no matter how well-built it is. Underground, only the Jubilee and Elizabeth lines have PED technology, so only they can have PEDs installed. I believe NTFL trains will have PED technology, and so will every new train coming in the future (maybe). PED technology is necessary to line up the train correctly, and to get the PEDs to open when pressing a button inside the train - you don’t want drivers to open cab doors and reach out for a button on the PEDs, or passangers using the manual release tab thingy.
Also, the picadilly (along with bakerloo, central and W&C) are getting new trains at an estimated year of 2024, but i think it will be delayed to 2025 because of TfL funding issues, and because of how they delayed the Elizabeth line
@@Farleigh1050 Sorry but this simply isn’t true. You could design PED’s suitable for external use if it was deemed necessary.
I do agree that the NTFL trains will be designed to be capable of using PED’s however but I kind of alluded to that when I explained why the Northern and Piccadilly lines don’t have them.
true i guess but it would be difficult @@extrude22
@@Farleigh1050 Why would it be? We have all kinds of complicated electrical equipment that works outside, such as trains for example.
There are even escalators in some places which are totally exposed to the weather.
A genuine question: What will happen to the PEDs when the 1996 stock comes up for replacement. Would they specifically build new trains with a door layout that would work with them, or would they remove them so they could have a new door layout that can get people on faster, and later refit them once all new trains are out and all old ones are gone?
Late but likely the first option
I'm not sure that the Millennium dome exhibition was a "compleate flop" as you put it. Although it only attracted just over half of the projected 12 million visitors, it was still the most visited paid for attraction in Britain that year.
Also, contrary to what is said in the video, North Greenwich Station wasn't built for the Millennium Dome exhibition. It was planned, and work to build it started, before the Dome was thought of. However the fact of the station being built may have been a factor in the decision to locate the Millennium exhibition on the Greenwich peninsula.
The S stock has come in after the 1996 stock.
He did say "deep level".
jubilee line 96 stock come into service in 1997 not 1998
the 1995 stock came after the 96.
I did find that the use of concrete tunnel lining instead of the traditional steel ones make for very loud, resonant and unpleasant noise when travelling on the Jubilee line.
It's sad that they've decommissioned the cinema at canary wharf
What?
Victoria line stick is automatic! Not manual!!!
Although undoubtedly an engineering triumph, the stations on the JLE these days feel a bit gloomy, at least compared to the bright and fresh stations on Crossrail. It's almost like they were trying to be futuristic (with the timing of its opening, late 1999, just in time for the new millennium celebrations) and now, nearly 25 years later, they're looking increasingly tired
100% agree. It hasn’t aged well and just looks dirty / in need of a jet wash in a lot of stations on the JLE
Probably due to lack of maintenance more than anything
Why is it so hard to add platform
edge doors to existing lines and stations?
I reckon for a few reasons. Firstly, probably cost. Having the infrastructure built and then installed might cost millions per station. Second, is probably that most of the stations don't have the correct existing infrastructure on the platforms to simply install them, possibly might need to remake the platforms. Lastly, the doors have to be able to talk with the rest of the train system, which I think on certain trains on certain lines don't have the capability. Obviously the second 2 reasons tie into the first reason, which is just that it would cost a lot of money. Probably would cost billions.
because some people would like to exit their train without the emergency release. additionally, not all lines have ATO so misaligned doors and non-integrated PEDs make a really bad station
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I don't like platform edge doors at all. If you're drunk and fall into the track, you fall into the trough below the trains and get sooty but that's all. I prefer the space and the air turbulence of open stations.
simple solution: dont get drunk. its easier and cheaper
My first impression of the new stations was one of stark, unwelcoming brutalism that looks unfinished. There should be a planning law against leaving concrete exposed. Why hasn't it dawned on anyone that the damned stuff ages so badly and should be clad with something more ascetically pleasing?
The JLE was probably made to be noisey to give the impression of speed. Some people are like that.
I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground stations.
Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers.
A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train?
The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden.
oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily.
Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train station in Chingford could they extend the DLR.
All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains.
Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
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Oh god, you started posting endless nonsense on buses, and now on trains.
The stations on the extension line have a certain Y2K/Early 00s retro futuristic vibe to the stations, I don’t even think the Elizabeth line stations will age as well, and those stations are twenty years newer!
The stations being so large on the JLE serves a major purpose in being rail heads and major bus/tube interchanges, North Greenwich despite the name really serves the areas of Blackheath, Charlton & Woolwich, it’s three stations in one.
This guy is a tough crowd.