Fence Termination / End Knot Tied and Tested
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- One of the most important knots to know when fencing is the end or termination Knot. This week I demonstrate how to tie it, then test the breaking strength of the knot using the Spiralfast load testing bed. I also compare a badly tied end knot with a neatly tied end knot to find out if there is any difference in the knot performance.
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i never thought i would be watching fencing vids but here we are.
Putting you under a strain huh?
After I finally got it right I understood the importance of what he said at 1:26. I kept wanting to start wrapping too soon.
A great communicator and fine teacher. Enthuisiasm is well weighted and most genuine manner. I keep coming back to Tim's videos because I don't do enough fencing to remember all the stuff.
Thanks, again, Tim
yes, thanks Tim 🙂
Yet another well explained and demonstrated and filmed fencing lesson. Thanks very much .
love your work mate - my girlfriend and I really learnt a lot from one of your previous video and are using it to do a fence on our new 5 acre property. Thanks a million!
Just subbed to the channel, got some fencing to sort on our small average. Your tips will be invaluable.
Hooray, another Saturday AM Tim Thompson video! Step one: hit the thumbs up, Step two: enjoy the video.
Oh! He’s not only going to teach us something; he’s going to let us watch him break sh...stuff!! Fun fun!! (Better get my speed dealers on.)
Mr. Thompson, love your videos. It is great to see real testing on these knots so it leaves little doubt which ones will hold up and what ones to trust.
Thanks so much Tim. Got my pair of Hayes strainers the other day and I’ve been putting up electric fence for my pigs. Your videos have been super helpful for me
Love your work. Great to listen to an Aussie.
I build fences in Kansas, so barbed wire cattle fences are my bread & butter. I discovered your channel and watch it to learn techniques I might apply to our own fencing. Thank you for all of your excellent videos! IN this case, I t seems that your knot is cutting your wire as they are pulled to to the center line of the post when put under tension - extreme tension, in the example of your demo. We double or even triple wrap our wires around the post (tightly) so that friction on the post holds the wire fast under tension, and wind the tail end of the wire around the line merely to keep the wraps on the post from slacking. When done correctly, the line stay on the face of the post and there is no knot to cut the line when put under tension. Don’t know if that would work with high tensile wire, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Then again, I might just be a day late and a dollar short yammering on about an idea you’ve already tried and discarded! Anyhoot, thanks again for all the vids and great techniques!
Good on you John. Great points. Glad you like the videos!
Gday Tim,thankyou for sharing your knowledge to the world.
Hi Tim thanks for the videos learning a lot about fencing and knots would like more videos about cattle care and handling. Keep up the great work.
Great stuff mate...I love doing wiring knots !! Love the expression a "sloppy knot" !! Well done as always !!
Fantastic vid really clear
I'm guessing James wasn't talking about the loop being loose, but the coils around the wire. Some people will take the trouble to coil so tightly that there's no gap between the coils, like an unstretched tension spring, so your neat ones might look "sloppy" to someone who thinks that's the way it's done. I'm with you in doubting it makes much difference, but it would be interesting to see it tested.
Love the channel mate been great watching and learning heaps.
Really appreciate and enjoy the work you put into helping other like myself out.
Cheers Dave
Great stuff Tim!
If it is a high pressure fence
I wrap the wire around the post twice or even 3 times, then align the wire so it has minimal direction changes.
Try that on the test bed
Using steel angle iron strainer posts makes it hard to maximise wire strength
Cheers
Darren
Milton NSW
Awesome as always mate good info
I love your chanal learnd a lot Form fencing and knots. Thank you for Sharing your knowledge, !
Greetings Form the Bavarian alps in south Germany!
Thanks for that mate. Glad to be of some help. Great to hear from you. Have an awesome summer.
Thanks mate great info
Really enjoying the videos
Cheers Dave
Really, Really, Really, Really appreciate this re-made video... can you please do figure 8 knot next, please Tim?
Thanks for more testing Tim. The sloppy knot sounded a bit much but i have heard if you make a "lazy loop" on your first wrap ie. not at a right angle but around 45 degrees then followed by tighter wraps, it makes some difference. I've not tested it and I prefer clean neat knots for the record.
You had me at speed dealers.
Yay, I need this! Can't afford the amount of gripple Ts
Great videos. I really enjoy learning new techniques. Would you do a video on Clipx fencing?
Thanks
Would be interested to see whether looping twice through egg shell/bull nose insulators was stronger and if so by how much
Great to see the multi-camera views on the knot tieing, Tim!
Looking forward to the figure eight and the strainer knots!!
Thanks for making this video on this termination knot. I'm a slow learner, so your original video on this I've watched about 20 times. This one is soo much better.
Also, why are safety glasses nicknamed "speed-dealers"?
Cheers!
A sailor would put two round turns on the bollard, and tie a buntline hitch so there is less weight on the knot.
A lot of fencers here in Canada double wrap the wire around the post before tieing, I wonder how that affects the knot strength.
Great vid, Tim. The fact that the wire keeps breaking at the pigtail of the knot, shows the faultiness of the knot method, whether neat or sloppy. It looks to me like the wire breaks at that location because the knot wire cuts across the line wire as it tightens, continuously grinding and cutting it in the same location. The moving knot wire also sustains scraping damage, but not repeatedly in one location, rather the knot wire moves along spreading out the damage it receives, so it does not break.
The way to avoid this cutting action is to use no knot. Simply wrap 4 neat, tight coils around the line wire to terminate, so that as the wire stretches tighter it will only slip through the coil wraps, without repeated cutting across any one spot on the wire. My guess is that 4 simple wraps would have a higher breaking tension than the knot method. (Also, as others have suggested, make 2 or more wraps of the line wire around the post before termination to ease the strain on the termination wraps).
Unfortunately, no. The wraps simply loosen under pressure. Hence knot. Any joints, bends or knots weaken high tensile wire. Wrapped wire undoes and looses tension at around 200kg tension. Very bad practice.
Hi you should try the difference between under over and over under termination nots.
Have a go at tying an end knot under tension
Hi mate great vid stay safe p.s got your message I think we will make that work
Do you use the same knot for barbed wire?
We have used your videos to put in high tensile wire & mesh. Just great
Yep. Thanks Eva. Glad to be of help
Wish I had of seen this video a few weeks back!! Grrrr! 😝 Love ur work Tim... Has this farmer got a wife!??? Lol
Tim - any thoughts on doing some videos on electric fencing? Especially ends, grounding and gates?
@@FarmLearningTim bugger - I even looked and didn't see them. Domestic blindness! I'll get on to them. Thanks.
Tim - great video as always. I had my first go at fencing a few months back but found the end knot very difficult and my knots always ended up looking like your slopping version 😂. In the end I committed the crime of using gripple t clips, which added quite a bit of cost. I’m sure some of this comes down to years of practise, strength and and muscle memory, as you make it look so easy, but do you have any further tips on keeping the knot nice and tight? Would using a wire twister help a novice like me?
fwiw, a fencers tools (wire twister) is a great investment. They are only a few bucks at the hardware shop. They made a world of difference to me in getting my knots neater and tighter, not to mention reducing the amount my hands get ripped to shreds working with the wire. The rest is just practice practice practice. I despair looking at some of my original fencing knots on my property - but they are a measure of how much I've learnt. Another 20 years and I'll get up to Tim's standard!
I I only learnt this knot a few months ago from another of Tim's videos... I can recommend using 13 strand exclusion fencing if you want to get lots of practice in a sort time.
@@FarmLearningTim not my soft office-worker hands - no hope for me!
Hi Tim,
When are you going to do / re do strainer knot / figure 8 knot videos? Thanks!
Probably early next year. Just have to get through the chaos of the 2021 COVID teaching year........ I have a few interesting projects to finish up this year with.
Mate it takes real skill to tie those knots sloppy. Also I got a few strange looks from the family when that music played. They were wondering just what I was watching. Yet another great video
But the spiralfast on the other end of the post was strongest. Wish I could get them in South Africa
Tim in your latest video , is this the type of knot , you are using on the metal strainer post too crimp together the sheep mesh
Yep. This is the best termination knot I’ve seen
@@FarmLearningTim thanks Tim, keep up the good videos mate , your my best CZcamsr out there mate enjoy your videos ..
Can I use gal tie wire 1.57m as top & bottom strain wire for residential fence 15 Mtns long?
Don’t recommend this. Won’t hold strain.
The lag in the instrument prevented accurate read out of final breaking strain
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Have you done a book and picture on wire tiring?.. thank
Not yet…….
Not yet…….
Go around the posts twice and see the difference Peter
Wonder what is the breaking strain of Waratah Gripple® T-Clip 🤔🤔🤔
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Nice, keep your videos short, they are good info
How come in your old video you done the termination knot "over under, over under" but in this video you did the same knot but "under over, under over" ??
Makes no difference. Same knot.
Not to easy tie a bad knot when the brain and OCD like a tidy knot 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪
now compare the farmer hard stapled fence please
id also like to see the termination knot tied with a lazy loop first before the tight wraps, thus further comparing the different tensions on knots, IE i dont like your knot Tim lol
You have changed Tim.....you used to go over the line wire then down to make the horse shoe, you now come under and up.
Next time you run the end knot test, see what happens when you wrap the end wire around the post twice, position the loose end such that it crosses the main wire at 90 degrees, then tie the knot. This will reduce the tension of the knot pulling on the main wire by a factor greater than 2.
An alternate method to test, insert the main wire through the staple, wrap the loose end around the post once (or twice, once may be enough) pass it through the staple, then bend it back to the main wire and make a few wraps around the main wire. All the strain is applied to the staple _after_ friction loss against the post. The main wire is not kinked or nicked as it would be with a standard knot.
6:20 es un Dogo Argentino??
Bull Arab
Please remove your ring and watch when fencing!
Can't do a bit of fencing without getting you're hands knicked up a bit lol
Amen to that.
I don;t understand why you can;t just tie this knot under strain and save having to cut and redo a knot
You can if it’s a long run. Loose too much tension on shorter runs
@@FarmLearningTim Awesome, thanks which knot do you use for this? Can't find the tye of knot to tie the same piece of wire together, everything is about joining
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