Ikea LADDA batteries vs Panasonic Eneloop Pro

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  • čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
  • See which batteries recycle faster. The Panasonic Eneloop Pro or Ikea LADDA batteries.
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Komentáře • 123

  • @vmaldia
    @vmaldia Před 6 lety +70

    swapping is what a good scientist would do in an experiment

  • @simonCGNX
    @simonCGNX Před 4 lety +35

    The real question is how do they perform over time. How is the degradation?

    • @JohnSSSSS
      @JohnSSSSS Před rokem +1

      Even then, Laddas are so dirt cheap you could just replace them if they degrade slightly faster

    • @diegosti
      @diegosti Před rokem +2

      I have laddas 1000 from 2014 still works the same!

  • @schizzlschnitzl
    @schizzlschnitzl Před 6 lety +58

    i want the 4 hour long charging video. i demand it. now.

  • @markshirley01
    @markshirley01 Před 6 lety +1

    Thanks Martin very helpful I'm looking at the Godox TT658n to match up with a AD200 as I need flash to go on carry on planes. I read your article on your site - they seem to be the best value flash system out there.

  • @MarcoTedaldi
    @MarcoTedaldi Před 6 lety +22

    That's great! I love the IKEA stuff as well. And I can believe, that they are really the same... for now.
    The Problem with those white-label Batteries is, that the seller can change the manufacturer without telling you. So at the moment you might get real eneloops for 1/4 of the price. But this does not have to be the same next year or even next month.
    So I can still recommend the IKEA ones but the shelf life of such measurements is quite short.

    • @alexku8452
      @alexku8452 Před 6 lety +4

      Frank Winkhorst yes exactly, there is only a single plant making hen left in Japan that makes as well the eneloop pro. So same specs, 2450 mAh, 500 charge cycles and made in Japan are a telltale sign they are at least from the same factory, so most likely even the same cells

    • @bondefrands
      @bondefrands Před 6 lety +3

      well i don't think ikea will change back ...they had those crappy chinese cells before (brown ones) and i don't think they go back to all that warranty issues they had with the old types ...i think i swapped at least 10 under warranty but maybe panasonic will see a dramatic drop in sales in eneloop pro ..when the word is spread, and then the raise the cell price to ikea :D

    • @AnoNymInvestor
      @AnoNymInvestor Před 5 lety +1

      @Marco Tedaldi:
      I agree but IKEA is very conservative. They do not change manufacturers over night.

  • @saganandroid4175
    @saganandroid4175 Před 6 lety +6

    I saw another flash test showing that the Eneloops were faster recyclers. I am glad you swapped the units to show the results.

  • @JohnJonesRocketCity
    @JohnJonesRocketCity Před 6 lety +26

    I guess my biggest question is how many cycles have the Eneloops been through? As cells become older they experience more voltage sag thus causing more recovery time after load (flash). Just a thought. Thanks for the video!

  • @garyrowe58
    @garyrowe58 Před 6 lety +7

    I choose Eneloops because I know I can pick up a flash and there is still power in the batteries even a month later, not because of recycle speed

    • @dielreis
      @dielreis Před 4 lety +1

      Yes, this videos only shows one face of many. For how long ladda can sustain charge without be close to an outlet? How many shots can you do? Things that I still don´t know.

  • @njsfer
    @njsfer Před 6 lety +22

    Why is everyone pissed off that Eneloops Pro are losing to the much cheaper Ladda's?
    I have Eneloops and I need another set of AA's and I am happy that the Ladda's are great and cheap! I've watched another video that shows that the theoretical specifications of both cells are exactly the same. Great to know because I like to save some bucks but it seems that many people don't...

    • @alexku8452
      @alexku8452 Před 6 lety +8

      Nuno Fernandes look at any cell with 2450 mAh, 500 charge cycles and made in Japan, they are internally the same, no matter if labeled eneloop pro, Ladda or a bunch of different other brands. As a matter of fact there is only one single factory left in Japan making batteries.

    • @gen3v8
      @gen3v8 Před 6 lety

      Same emaS

    • @jarenong
      @jarenong Před 6 lety +1

      Butthurt weebs can't stand japanese 'losing' in anything

    • @HantuBorneo
      @HantuBorneo Před 5 lety

      Sir. . Have you try to charge ladda battery in eneloop battery?. .
      If you have try pls tell me. .

  • @lukaszpowalowski8342
    @lukaszpowalowski8342 Před 6 lety

    I have a question: Is using a fast charging station safe for the batteries? Does it have an impact on their life length?
    Just want to know if I can load the LADDA batteries with such a device.

  • @photographerjonathan
    @photographerjonathan Před 4 lety

    but the unknown factor is how many flashes will it give you in a single charge, and also how long the battery will last before you have to throw it away. also do they hold a charge when not being used ? I wouldn't be surprised if they are the same batter, maybe even made by the same company with different branding. just like supermarket brand corn flakes.

  • @DrRussell
    @DrRussell Před rokem +1

    Were they both brand new sets, manufactured in the same month, charged by the same charger, taken off charge at the same time?

  • @spotlightinspect5540
    @spotlightinspect5540 Před 6 lety +4

    What kind of charger do you use

  • @Abandoned-Norway
    @Abandoned-Norway Před 6 lety

    So what is the faq here ?

  • @emdkh
    @emdkh Před 3 lety +4

    I guess the Ikea batteries are new, the eneloops are not. The inner resistance of batteries increase with the amount of charges, how you charge them, as well as it depends on how you discharge them. So, "worn" batteries will significantly slow down your flash cycles. Charge them with a bad charger it will do so even after just a few cycles.

  • @MaverickIQ
    @MaverickIQ Před 6 lety +9

    So both are new from package? Just recharged to 100% for the test?

    • @IanAberle
      @IanAberle Před 6 lety +10

      Thought the same thing. If he's eneloop batteries are previously used, that might account for the difference in the recycle times.

  • @slavomirvenglarcik2276

    very helpful video, but i have a question. recently i had issue with overheating of cheap AA batteries from lidl. they've been working great, but after several hundreds flash on full power (1/1) they overheated, started leaking and almost exploded. so i buyed eneloop pro hoping that they will handle overheating better on full power. and yes, they work great, but eneloop probably have some overheating protection, so i can't shoot so many time as with cheap ones, because eneloop somehow turn-off themself. does this ikea batteries have overheating protection also, or they work same as those cheap from lidl?

    • @chrisbassett6691
      @chrisbassett6691 Před 6 lety

      I know this comment is old, but I think that's partially where you see the difference. Some get hot, some are able to control heat better and thus perform better. Alkalines (in my opinion) always tend to get very hot after several hundred flashes (in my experience). I think it more has to do with how hard the battery has to work. ie. higher mAh (given similar voltage) will have to work less to recycle the flash to full power, plus batteries with higher mAh I think will also last longer on a single charge.

  • @jbbolts
    @jbbolts Před 6 lety +27

    How much older were the eneloops? They seem to be your regular use batteries and then you bought some new ikea batteries to compare them to... correct?

    • @elektriksheep
      @elektriksheep Před 3 lety

      No response to this, Martin Cheung?

    • @Jakiyyyyy
      @Jakiyyyyy Před 3 lety

      Yea, Eneloop should be faster though.

    • @fraggod
      @fraggod Před 3 lety +1

      @@Jakiyyyyy some folks say that they are identical, maybe its because the eneloops are a bit older and used, if they both brand new, they should be same speed.

    • @goku445
      @goku445 Před 2 lety

      @@fraggod yea, made in Japan, both are high quality.

  • @theedge508
    @theedge508 Před 4 lety +1

    HELLO are they still performance?

  • @giosan1
    @giosan1 Před 6 lety +1

    Eneloop Pro VS EBL 2800, plz ?

  • @danielroibert5631
    @danielroibert5631 Před 6 lety

    Hello, It,s well known that the eneloop are not deliver big current peak, but have a very low auto-discharge. Can you compare that ?

  • @TheRealJohnHooper
    @TheRealJohnHooper Před rokem +1

    I had already 2 Eneloop Pro failing me.. They started to show arrows while loading..
    Nothing like that with the IKEA Laddas.. Ikea Ladda are simply amazing..

  • @dunnymonster
    @dunnymonster Před 6 lety +7

    The secrets out! Got both the Eneloops and the IKEA batteries and my experience suggests they are in essence the same battery. My initial suspicion was aroused when I felt the weight of them and the packaging had " made in Japan " on them. I can't say for sure if one performs better than the other in all honesty, both do well. The fact that the IKEA battery is around a third of the price of the Panasonic Eneloops makes it a no brainer 😊

    • @WavyVaporizers
      @WavyVaporizers Před 5 lety

      Yea same battery just rebranded and sold cheaper and most wouldnt know it was actually a hell of a battery so its a sleeper battery 😀. Hopefully ikea doesnt catch up and say hey we can charge more for our laddas and they will still buy them. If eneloops are 20 for 4 then even 10 or 12 bucks for the laddas and people will still buy them. Taking a 2 hour drive to the nearest ikea to pick up 4 packs for my new xbox one x. These batteries will save me a fortune on not having to rebuy more batteries every other week

    • @pparisi99
      @pparisi99 Před 4 lety +2

      If true it puts this video into question. If identical, then performance in this test should be identical.

  • @fedreserv6133
    @fedreserv6133 Před 6 lety +1

    Ladda batteries are Made In Japan and most probably coming from the same factory as Eneloop Pro (FDK). Anyhow, very good quality at very reasonable price.
    They both leaves Duracel, Varta or Energizer in dust, way behind.

  • @andljoy
    @andljoy Před 2 lety +1

    The eneloop pros and the LADDA 2450s are made in the same factory!

  • @john4kc
    @john4kc Před 4 lety

    How have the Ikea batteries held up for you over time vs the eneloop?

    • @flawmore
      @flawmore Před 4 lety +4

      The YT channel Project Farm is testing stuff, and tested this as well. They are absolutely superb over time, both shelf life and daily drain/recharge.

  • @paceyombex
    @paceyombex Před rokem

    do you have any opinion of fujitsu black battery for flash? Is it on the same league as the eneloop?

    • @Evolution.1859
      @Evolution.1859 Před 5 měsíci +1

      They are the same battery as the Eneloop Pro with a different wrapper. Fujitsu makes all Eneloop batteries for Panasonic and 4 or 5 other brands.

  • @chunkynugget
    @chunkynugget Před 6 lety +5

    They are outsourced by Panasonic to Fujitsu and come from the same factory.

    • @paceyombex
      @paceyombex Před rokem

      is there a source for this? I saw a Fujitsu black battery recently, yet can't find any good source to read on. Just like ladda, it's significantly cheaper than eneloop

  • @AlfradoBerad
    @AlfradoBerad Před 5 lety +1

    Well done you just pushed the price skyward !!!

    • @alexabadi7458
      @alexabadi7458 Před 5 lety

      still only $6.99 in USA (4 pack)

    • @pparisi99
      @pparisi99 Před 4 lety

      @@alexabadi7458 In Australia I can now get the Pro's cheaper via a local eneloop dealer than the Ikea ones!! madness. Ikea profiteers

  • @RMC193
    @RMC193 Před 6 lety

    Hi i want battery and charger

  • @chrisbassett6691
    @chrisbassett6691 Před 6 lety +1

    I'd be more interested to know how long each lasts over a longer period of time, like a year or two, with lots of charge/discharge cycles. That's really what I think tells which battery is the best. All batteries will probably perform about the same given similar configurations, but I think where they will differ is as they age. Some can only be recharged only 500 times, while others well over 1000+ times.

  • @01mrlek
    @01mrlek Před 6 lety +4

    If you are concerned with recycle time why not just use an external power pack like any good pro would?

  • @danstefancic8414
    @danstefancic8414 Před 3 lety

    This is a good test for photographers only.

  • @africantwin173
    @africantwin173 Před 5 lety +4

    Ladda for me. 16 euro eneloop gold price vs 6 euro ladda.

  • @garyrowe58
    @garyrowe58 Před 6 lety +3

    I think your estimation of time needs checking!

  • @Phyxsius_85
    @Phyxsius_85 Před rokem

    IKEA LADDA 2450 are Eneloop Pro 4 gen , good batteries . I hope that the test was that all batteries are new, if Eneloop has already been used or if they are older, then it is not surprising that they are a little slower

  • @bradelinagomez1161
    @bradelinagomez1161 Před 3 lety

    You missed the boat. Do a tests on the self-discharge rate, storage capacity (qty of flashes before fail), and most importantly after repeated cycles which battery maintains its ability to store and hold a charge. You'd feel a little foolish if in a month one of the batteries is degraded and underperforms (or something along those lines).

  • @HansBaumeister
    @HansBaumeister Před 5 lety +2

    Fascinating, but not unexpected. Eneloop are - in my book - excellent for situations where you have the batteries in for quite a long time with not necessarily that much current draw. Think PIR-aktivated LED lights. Think flashlights that you use occasionally. Making the batteries so that they keep their charge so long (in comparison with regular NiMH) without use has a price, and that certainly seems to have been demonstrated here!

  • @dustyrhodes6798
    @dustyrhodes6798 Před 4 lety

    They were supposedly both made by the Sanyo/Fujitsu/Panasonic plant. So, maybe one is 2450 and the other is not that’s making a difference.

  • @RMC193
    @RMC193 Před 6 lety

    How to

  • @Old00Farth
    @Old00Farth Před 6 lety +1

    So, charge one of each, let them stay for a year, and discharge to measure the capacity - probably that's where the difference lays.

    • @pparisi99
      @pparisi99 Před 4 lety

      Correct this has not been discussed in any videos to date that I've seen.

  • @Pete24v
    @Pete24v Před 6 lety +2

    Nice comparison. I've found the Amazon Basics high capacity rechargeable's to be very good as well.

    • @MartinCheung-Photography
      @MartinCheung-Photography  Před 6 lety +1

      A few people have said that. I've just ordered a set to test.

    • @jensbondarenko9195
      @jensbondarenko9195 Před 6 lety +2

      Amazon's batteries are rebranded Eneloops. I've tested it with same capacities of both Amazon ones and original Eneloops. It may be possible that the Amazon batteries and slightly lower in some aspects of quality and therefore cheaper.

    • @error262
      @error262 Před 6 lety

      Jen Bondarenko Ikea cells are rebranded Sanyos as well, when you're buying Eneloop cells you're paying for the name (same with duracell)

    • @lonerider68
      @lonerider68 Před 6 lety

      Hi, let me know what you think of the LADDA vs Amazon Basics. I had Eneloops because for a long time, I was only use my flashe once every 4-6 months, but now that I have kids I take photos at the start of every month to record their growth.

    • @Pete24v
      @Pete24v Před 6 lety +1

      I honestly can't tell any difference between amazon basics high capacity and ikea ladda. I think k they are the same inside.

  • @sealand000
    @sealand000 Před 6 lety +1

    There's some kind of magnetic interference that's adversely affecting any flash placed on the left side.

    • @PaavoLammikko
      @PaavoLammikko Před 2 lety

      Of course, probably earth radiation...LOL

  • @NYC1
    @NYC1 Před 4 lety +1

    Basically they are both the same type of batteries

  • @pit5000
    @pit5000 Před 6 lety

    i guess i should get ikea batteries for my camera flashes...

  • @pparisi99
    @pparisi99 Před 4 lety +2

    As has been told you to you over and over you need to demonstrate your baseline is the same for this test to be reasonable. That means: Must use same age of batteries, same amount of use/cycles, same starting charge level and you need to discharge and charge both sets using the same charger first. Better to do this with 2 brand new sets and discharge then charge the same way.
    Other people are sure they both come from same plant in Japan and are the same batteries simply relabeled so if your tests were done properly it should show an identical cycle time not the Ladda's being better?!? WTF. As you've not provided details on your baseline can't trust what you've done here.
    Also as a result of press Ladda's are now priced close to or sometimes more than Eneloop Pros (down under that is) and that's before counting the need to buy Swedish meatballs whilst travelling and walking/queuing for hours to pick up the Laddas. ;) I have both brands and also use them in my flash unit but now buy the Eneloop Pro's as the cost is mostly the same and stock I know is newer as production date is usually offered on the packaging/part of the sale terms. Ikea obviously has gotten a big head over these types of reviews and pushed up the Ladda price, just still none of these reviews prove they are better and non address the question of low self discharge which was the main point of the Eneloop brand being popular.
    For the sake of putting our tax avoiding Ikea friends back in their box could you retest properly as I am sure they will not perform better on equal footing.

  • @alexvids9232
    @alexvids9232 Před 3 lety +1

    just grabbed ikea for my flash, very fast

  • @jensbondarenko9195
    @jensbondarenko9195 Před 6 lety +3

    The batteries are of same capacity? You don't say a word on that.

    • @MartinCheung-Photography
      @MartinCheung-Photography  Před 6 lety +6

      The spec sheets say they are the same capacity. But I find it's not so important. Even back when I used the original white normal Eneloops, I could go 2 weddings with a single set of AA's. I'm less bothered about the capacity and more bothered about the recycle speed. It's easy enough to change a set of batteries when you need to at a wedding.

    • @jensbondarenko9195
      @jensbondarenko9195 Před 6 lety

      Absolutely, I got your idea. But if the capacities are way different the higher capacity batteries will probable recycle faster and we cannot compare them. For your task, the best/fastest recycle time batteries are the better ones regardless of capacity, yes.

    • @ehill203
      @ehill203 Před 6 lety

      Jens Bondarenko j

    • @ehill203
      @ehill203 Před 6 lety

      😀

    • @ehill203
      @ehill203 Před 6 lety

      fy

  • @donwan3083
    @donwan3083 Před 4 lety +8

    The ladda batteries r rebranded eneloops

  • @africantwin173
    @africantwin173 Před 6 lety

    4 AA Ladda cost € 6,00 in NLD

  • @cpy74mm
    @cpy74mm Před 3 lety +2

    The IKEA and the Eneloops are one and the same battery. They are both made in the same factory! Now the differences you see may be because of battery age and many other factors. In fact if you see NiMH batteries that are made in Japan, then they are eneloops from the same (only) factory!

  • @denidanidotcom
    @denidanidotcom Před rokem +1

    this comparison should be new vs new and full charged vs full charged

    • @denidanidotcom
      @denidanidotcom Před rokem +1

      make sure the eneloop made in japan, not made in china

  • @13soxs
    @13soxs Před 6 lety

    The IKEA one's are made in the same factory, so in theory, they should be about the same for half the price...

    • @jarenong
      @jarenong Před 6 lety +1

      LESS THAN HALF THE PRICE. $15 CHEAPER

  • @yoichifranck3753
    @yoichifranck3753 Před 4 lety

    cool

  • @karlballistator
    @karlballistator Před 6 lety +2

    Eneloop series by Panasonic (Sanyo) have reputation of the most reliable products in battery industry.
    Panasonic is the best manufacturer of energy storage systems since small consumer batteries up to Tesla cars. That level of advancement in batteries technology significantly strengthens Panasonic’s another businesses like TOUGHBOOK laptops or hair trimmer, toothbrush, etc.

    • @drewarmstrong4325
      @drewarmstrong4325 Před 6 lety +2

      I believe everyone here would agree with that... The point is, Panasonic (Sanyo) is making batteries for Ikea if this holds out. That is the theory anyhow.

    • @karlballistator
      @karlballistator Před 6 lety +1

      Drew Armstrong you could be right.
      I remember that Gillette Corporation for a few years in 2000s had contracted and rebranded Panasonic Alkaline batteries as “Duracell”. After that period Gillette started its own operational factory in China.
      Another interesting fact is that legendary batteries of Nokia phones comes from Panasonic :)

    • @bondefrands
      @bondefrands Před 6 lety +1

      well panasonic (former sanyo) is the only factory left in japan, who makes nimh, and ladda from ikea is labeled made in japan :D i think there is something to this theses, i got two of ikea big charges called storhögen and lots of ladda AA and AAA for the kid's mindstorm, and they outperform all the other brands in the same price range, i think ikea has been shopping at the eneloop pro factory :D

    • @karlballistator
      @karlballistator Před 6 lety +1

      bondefrands Thank you for sharing your experience in this speculations (or investigation :) about origins of Ladda. In my opinion you have got right!

  • @santerisiiranen3924
    @santerisiiranen3924 Před 6 lety

    They are the SAME BATTERY! Those compared in this video may just have been different age and/or different amount of usage. Proof here czcams.com/video/Jeo_hv-8bHI/video.html

  • @steviegbcool
    @steviegbcool Před 6 lety

    aldi ones are good, duracell recharble poor

  • @MsCoochi
    @MsCoochi Před rokem

    Right now the the Panasonic AA 2550 4pack + charger is $27.99 on Amazon while its $16.99 for Ikea Ladda 2450 4 pack + charger. Ikea wont ship to me so I'd have to drive to the nearest location which is like 65miles of gas. Amazon wins

  • @danizweifler6061
    @danizweifler6061 Před 3 lety

    IKEA = "much, much faster".......; almost a second....."...... = do I care about a 7/10 of a second ?...... = no ! // Do I care about other things like stamina, voltage curve, longtime capabilities, cycle rating, warranty....., and so on..... = absolutely yes !

  • @fairlyobvious8320
    @fairlyobvious8320 Před 3 lety

    But I’m into 4 hr. videos

  • @bishalscreation9793
    @bishalscreation9793 Před 6 lety

    I wasted 50$ buying envelope shit

  • @micmucky4993
    @micmucky4993 Před 6 lety

    U don't have to do a 4 hour long charge video just use a multimeter on batteries to show their at full capacity ha

  • @SpatialGuy77
    @SpatialGuy77 Před 6 lety

    Shit vs Shit - how entertaining!

  • @sajjad1st
    @sajjad1st Před 6 lety +3

    Misleading video. Try to be honest.

    • @curbo34
      @curbo34 Před 6 lety +1

      Khan Ahmed what in the world is misleading about this?

    • @sajjad1st
      @sajjad1st Před 6 lety

      Not clear how old is Sanyo batteries. He did not switch the batteries in front of camera. There are too many things those needed to be discussed for accurate comparison. I had experience with IKEA batteries twice and they get dead way earlier then Fujitsu batteries and don't even hold that much charge what they claim.

    • @steviegbcool
      @steviegbcool Před 6 lety

      you think he trying to trick you? and works for ikea lol

    • @miccullen
      @miccullen Před 6 lety

      Incomplete comment, please try to be somewhat clear. (Deadset there's a bunch of idiots commenting on here who are so upset that their beloved Japanese secret-sauce batteries aren't the go-to any more.)

  • @osijekdejan
    @osijekdejan Před 6 lety

    Its obvious Eneloop batteries are not new as Ladda. Probably Eneloop's are used and recycled before (or not charged 100%). I have both and tested them as new, Ikea's sh1t isnt even half close to Eneloop Pro. This test is dumb as its owner. No reason to compare them.

    • @BalisongMasterer
      @BalisongMasterer Před 5 lety

      Maybe you're just a fuckwit and bought the wrong LADDA's as they got lower mAH packs as well.
      Or maybe you're just so salty because you've spent waaaaaay too much on Eneloop Pro's in the past and IKEA just discounted them.
      I've tried both and they are practically the same.

    • @lisaandneilweddingphotogra3042
      @lisaandneilweddingphotogra3042 Před 4 lety

      Far too emotional and rude as a response to a battery test.