I've never bought, made, or used a top plate. I have done a half assed governor disable and left the governor gear inside and the shaft on top. I ended up with a brand new 212cc hemi with a sunroof. I've opened every engine since then and completely removed all the governor components. Then I tap the holes with a thread tap and installed an appropriately sized set screw with thread sealer. Never windowed another block. I've also come up with my own solution for adapting a throttle cable to the stock carburetor, using the governor arm and using all of the stock springs, plates, and linkage parts. I removed the gear inside and replaced the steel actuator with a stud. Also, in my humble opinion, if you've got the engine opened up there's no real reason why you wouldn't knock the flywheel off and punch the governor gear from the outside. The torch method you used was as at least equally as sloppy as the monkeys on CZcams crushing them out in 30 pieces using pliers like some kind of nightmare dentist. Except you're breathing in and filling your shop with burning oil and plastic.
that works if your only going to over rev it a little once you want to go 3,4,5 even 6 grand higher on some built things the governor literley explodes and thoes bits of plastic and the metal parts run through the motor at high rpm and some times the blow holes in the side if it gets stuck in between rotating parts, also i deleted the whole governor setup on a 11hp flathead briggs and cammed it with a bigger carb and ran a bike brake handle and cable as my throtal pedal adjusted properly its a fantastic setup
@@zakburnett6690 I had a 10hp on a go kart ,that bounced it's limit ungoverned for an hour at a clip and still had the internals. It was a Briggs, so there's that ,and some luck but I usually don't bother.
@@MrTheHillfolk they don't rev all that much higher if you don't put valve springs in the the old flathead springs just can't do more than about 5k or so witch is pretty safe
On my 9.9hp briggs I DID have to cut the end off the gov shaft to get it out. Absolutely no way it would have cleared my counter balance. It depends on the engine.
constant speed engines. have heavier springs. if you take a predator and only install a "constant speed throttle plate", you will have to screw the adjuster screw almost to the end of its travel. also, if you use a constant speed spring, you can achieve 3900-4100 rpms with a normal "adjustable throttle plate"
Who said that the top plate is necessary for a governor delete? I want names. Sneak dissing doesn't sit well with me. RBG did that to C&C once and I called him out on it. If somebody here actually knows let's hear a name.
It's a repeated theme of all Go Power Sports sponsored channels. Their own throttle bracket videos are an insanity. "You now need to buy the $25 bracket. Plus we made it so thick you have to also buy these two 5 cent bolts at 1.50 each plus shipping" This is why I buy from NR Racing and OMB.
@@redneckcomputergeek your not wrong about those channels plugging their sponsors heavily but I've yet to see a video where someone says "you have to buy this top plate" specifically. If somebody here can show me a video where they say that I'll be waiting.
I wish I would have watched this video before i put my rtv on also please tell these guys to jack up.your gokart ever time you modify your springs or throttle ,I added springs then started motor straight took off full throttle luckily it hit the curb then rolled over killed the motor .I REPEAT PUT YOUR GO KART OR MINI BIKE ON A JACK STAND AFTER MODIFICATIONS ! THIS COULD OF COST ME 50000 IN CAR DAMAGES ! INSURANCE DOESTNT COVER .Thanks for this video!
Great video series so far. Question: Would you be kind enough to make a detailed video summary at the end of the project explaining in great details: what needed change, the reasoning behind those changes, cost of additional parts that were needed. Perhaps a short explanation for those who want to transform a horizontal shaft engine for a rotary tiller and what things should they look out for. Thank you very much.
do you want extra gears spinning inside? thats why you remove the governor. engines i run side carbs. if its a low rpm engine i leave it. if its going above 4000 a lot. take it of or it might explode
Watching the video a bit before commenting would be a good idea. I do remove it. The video shows how people used to do it before Big youtubers started promoting the cut it off method for some reason.
The generally stated number is 5kish. The valves will float at 5800. But the stock rods are not a fan of anything over 5k and will at some point tell you so.
All i know is youtubers should tell people the upgrades will cost you 500 dollars plus thats a 150 flywheel the rockers all the other component for that price i would buy a honda gx160 motor or briggs and statton be upfront with the cost ! 😂
Bro. Im from india. I have a gasoline water pump. 3hp. Going to modif as long tail boat motor. Can i remove governer and control speed on carburetor. Please advice.
1 minute into the video and I'm already annoyed, who cares what the angry old people think. I've pulled the governor assembly out a couple times and used a bolt to seal the hole, no top plate bs needed
It's a repeated theme of all Go Power Sports sponsored channels. Their own throttle bracket videos are an insanity. "You now need to buy the $25 bracket. Plus we made it so thick you have to also buy these two 5 cent bolts at 1.50 each plus shipping" This is why I buy from NR Racing and OMB.
In every town there should be a small machine shop that will take jobs from the public. Or a guy that has a "back yard" welding, machine and fab shop. Don't be afraid to ask, some of the big DIE shops will take work when slow. Better yet, get to know someone that works there that will do work after hours. Even at $80.oo/hr I could knock out that key-way in 30 min. Most of that would be set-up time.
With the Dremel tool method I fully agree with you cause it takes over an hour of cutting. But with pulling the side and cutting it all in with a 3 inch wheel it took 20 minutes at most to do. The china cranks for these are about $35 shipped. So it hits that borderline of time is money vers just buy it.
This is dumb.. Everyone who has enough sense to remove a governor knows theres many ways to go about it... The air filter kits with the choke hold down and jets are worth it... The top plates look kool but ive never heard anyone actually say that you need it.. That being said i wouldnt put it past the go power sports minions lol
This video is priceless. All ya need to do to remove governor. Funny Cause I'm new and been watching all these videos think...why are they cutting that? And whats wrong with just leaving gear in place and knocking the metal gear off the crank?
Guys just do things differently. The end results are the same. I don't recall anyone saying that you must cut the governor arm shaft, or that you must get a top plate. Most of these guys aren't going to take the crankshaft out to remove the drive gear. This is why they remove the plastic gear. It's just a different way to do it.
Man(n) muss es echt nicht abschneiden. Ich habe ihn vor ein paar Tagen entfernt und musste auch nichts flexn o.ä. Ich hab nachdem der regler raus war ein gewinde eingeschnitten und ne Schraube mit O-ring reingemacht
I've never bought, made, or used a top plate. I have done a half assed governor disable and left the governor gear inside and the shaft on top. I ended up with a brand new 212cc hemi with a sunroof.
I've opened every engine since then and completely removed all the governor components. Then I tap the holes with a thread tap and installed an appropriately sized set screw with thread sealer. Never windowed another block.
I've also come up with my own solution for adapting a throttle cable to the stock carburetor, using the governor arm and using all of the stock springs, plates, and linkage parts. I removed the gear inside and replaced the steel actuator with a stud.
Also, in my humble opinion, if you've got the engine opened up there's no real reason why you wouldn't knock the flywheel off and punch the governor gear from the outside. The torch method you used was as at least equally as sloppy as the monkeys on CZcams crushing them out in 30 pieces using pliers like some kind of nightmare dentist. Except you're breathing in and filling your shop with burning oil and plastic.
Its a riot that you grinded the shaft instead of just buying a clutch that fit.
Do they make the specific clutch(as the one for a mini bike) for a tampered shaft? If so link me in please
Instead of deleting the governor, just don't use it. Run the throttle cable directly to the carb, like a car or motorcycle.
Most of the time they blow up and plastic in bottom of pan
that works if your only going to over rev it a little once you want to go 3,4,5 even 6 grand higher on some built things the governor literley explodes and thoes bits of plastic and the metal parts run through the motor at high rpm and some times the blow holes in the side if it gets stuck in between rotating parts, also i deleted the whole governor setup on a 11hp flathead briggs and cammed it with a bigger carb and ran a bike brake handle and cable as my throtal pedal adjusted properly its a fantastic setup
@@zakburnett6690 I had a 10hp on a go kart ,that bounced it's limit ungoverned for an hour at a clip and still had the internals.
It was a Briggs, so there's that ,and some luck but I usually don't bother.
@@MrTheHillfolk they don't rev all that much higher if you don't put valve springs in the the old flathead springs just can't do more than about 5k or so witch is pretty safe
How tho
On my 9.9hp briggs I DID have to cut the end off the gov shaft to get it out. Absolutely no way it would have cleared my counter balance. It depends on the engine.
constant speed engines. have heavier springs. if you take a predator and only install a "constant speed throttle plate", you will have to screw the adjuster screw almost to the end of its travel. also, if you use a constant speed spring, you can achieve 3900-4100 rpms with a normal "adjustable throttle plate"
That makes sense. Thank you for the input and solving the why.
Holy shit man this is a hot ass mess…… all the way around
Who said that the top plate is necessary for a governor delete? I want names. Sneak dissing doesn't sit well with me. RBG did that to C&C once and I called him out on it. If somebody here actually knows let's hear a name.
It's a repeated theme of all Go Power Sports sponsored channels. Their own throttle bracket videos are an insanity. "You now need to buy the $25 bracket. Plus we made it so thick you have to also buy these two 5 cent bolts at 1.50 each plus shipping" This is why I buy from NR Racing and OMB.
@@redneckcomputergeek your not wrong about those channels plugging their sponsors heavily but I've yet to see a video where someone says "you have to buy this top plate" specifically. If somebody here can show me a video where they say that I'll be waiting.
@@inspireonex sure they don't come out and say you need this ,but they don't show the alternative either and just go the easy way.
@@MrTheHillfolk then why did he say they said that exactly?
I've cut a few myself thanks to other CZcams channels saying it has to be done, nice to know now that it's not the case, thanks bud.
I order from gps I’ve never used a top plate. I just put a heavy spring or a zip tie until I want to go further in that motor.
7:48 my concern is why removing/cutting it?
just disconnect it.
I actually put a 5/16th bolt with two flat washers and locktighted it in and it also works fine
bought a new predator 212 and mine dropped straight into the engine as soon as I pushed on it.
I use a *lot* of dremel cutoff grinding disks, mostly for tiny work that nothing else would work for
I wish I would have watched this video before i put my rtv on also please tell these guys to jack up.your gokart ever time you modify your springs or throttle ,I added springs then started motor straight took off full throttle luckily it hit the curb then rolled over killed the motor .I REPEAT PUT YOUR GO KART OR MINI BIKE ON A JACK STAND AFTER MODIFICATIONS ! THIS COULD OF COST ME 50000 IN CAR DAMAGES ! INSURANCE DOESTNT COVER .Thanks for this video!
thqts good advice.. thanks
Great video series so far. Question: Would you be kind enough to make a detailed video summary at the end of the project explaining in great details: what needed change, the reasoning behind those changes, cost of additional parts that were needed. Perhaps a short explanation for those who want to transform a horizontal shaft engine for a rotary tiller and what things should they look out for. Thank you very much.
im wondering how the mounting bolts are going to work when making it a vertical shaft
That was why we did the side cover conversion. That gives us the 2 bolt holes to mount to.
@@redneckcomputergeek do you think that only 2 bolts is enough?
@SpudStudios not sure how I wrote 2 it should have been 4 bolt holes lol Needed more coffee or something.
@@redneckcomputergeek ok lol
Drill hole in throttle handle add short linkage connect carburetor hook cable to regular spot
If you just take out the governor arm, what's the point of taking out the governor??
do you want extra gears spinning inside? thats why you remove the governor. engines i run side carbs. if its a low rpm engine i leave it. if its going above 4000 a lot. take it of or it might explode
Watching the video a bit before commenting would be a good idea. I do remove it. The video shows how people used to do it before Big youtubers started promoting the cut it off method for some reason.
@@redneckcomputergeek i thought we should comment as we watch, and i thought any comment helped you. you are the only big youtuber i watch. DWL
LMAO! Well played thank you :)
Sweet! How high can you safely rev a stock 212?
The generally stated number is 5kish. The valves will float at 5800. But the stock rods are not a fan of anything over 5k and will at some point tell you so.
I have a honda 270gx. I removed the governor but still have the same top speed. What could it be ?
Throttle arm has a limit screw that needs backed out or cut off
I couldn’t get it to fall thru. I had to pull the shaft out.
Buy a top plate? That is stupid as hell. All you have to do is drill, tap, and stick a bolt in there. Duh 🤓
Anyone watching this, pull your cam and it’s easier to do. Also the hammer is needed. It’s only slightly bound in.
I have never seen someone cut anything like that off
I deleted my governor, and just modified the metal rods to work
Spectacular job Brother thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise
This one was all thanks to the viewers! I have gotten tons of emails of tips and tricks ideas.
All i know is youtubers should tell people the upgrades will cost you 500 dollars plus thats a 150 flywheel the rockers all the other component for that price i would buy a honda gx160 motor or briggs and statton be upfront with the cost ! 😂
Bro. Im from india. I have a gasoline water pump. 3hp. Going to modif as long tail boat motor. Can i remove governer and control speed on carburetor. Please advice.
Yes
Now we knew it and now you know it plus other utube people
1 minute into the video and I'm already annoyed, who cares what the angry old people think. I've pulled the governor assembly out a couple times and used a bolt to seal the hole, no top plate bs needed
Yeah i think ive watched every governor removal video there is. Ive yet to see anybody using a top plate. Everyone is just plugging the hole.
Red Beard's Garage would say that you definitely need a top plate I've been doing this for free not top or anything just like in this video
It's a repeated theme of all Go Power Sports sponsored channels. Their own throttle bracket videos are an insanity. "You now need to buy the $25 bracket. Plus we made it so thick you have to also buy these two 5 cent bolts at 1.50 each plus shipping" This is why I buy from NR Racing and OMB.
I dropped mine last night i just bent it up a lil using screw driver against crank shaft an it dropped right out
So is this horizontal to vertical like your other vid said or vertical to horizontal
In every town there should be a small machine shop that will take jobs from the public. Or a guy that has a "back yard" welding, machine and fab shop. Don't be afraid to ask, some of the big DIE shops will take work when slow. Better yet, get to know someone that works there that will do work after hours. Even at $80.oo/hr I could knock out that key-way in 30 min. Most of that would be set-up time.
With the Dremel tool method I fully agree with you cause it takes over an hour of cutting. But with pulling the side and cutting it all in with a 3 inch wheel it took 20 minutes at most to do. The china cranks for these are about $35 shipped. So it hits that borderline of time is money vers just buy it.
This is dumb.. Everyone who has enough sense to remove a governor knows theres many ways to go about it... The air filter kits with the choke hold down and jets are worth it... The top plates look kool but ive never heard anyone actually say that you need it.. That being said i wouldnt put it past the go power sports minions lol
I can definitely be satisfying when you can prove somebody wrong, especially when they have a large fan base.
This ain't the first time I've seen him blow out a myth😁✌️
Thanks for the video brother very informative can't wait to see the next experiment keep up the good work
This video is priceless. All ya need to do to remove governor. Funny Cause I'm new and been watching all these videos think...why are they cutting that? And whats wrong with just leaving gear in place and knocking the metal gear off the crank?
Guys just do things differently. The end results are the same. I don't recall anyone saying that you must cut the governor arm shaft, or that you must get a top plate.
Most of these guys aren't going to take the crankshaft out to remove the drive gear. This is why they remove the plastic gear. It's just a different way to do it.
Have you finished your van yet ????
I trust your content ... can I remove the gov on a 212 hemi with only needing to swap out the weakest link, the flywheel?
yep and you dont need to fork hundreds of dollars for billet shiny flywheels either. the cheap pvl ones work great!
@@Ajmp2236 yeah sir... I bought the 10k rated pvl fw
I have needed to cut one but only because of severe rust stopping it.
Agreed in that case it would be needed.
Man(n) muss es echt nicht abschneiden. Ich habe ihn vor ein paar Tagen entfernt und musste auch nichts flexn o.ä. Ich hab nachdem der regler raus war ein gewinde eingeschnitten und ne Schraube mit O-ring reingemacht
well i dont think youll have to worrie about the oil spraying if you turn it when you rev it to the moon lol
Oh we fucking will.save yourself the troubled life😮
savage
thanks man
blow power sports does not like
those damm pootubers
I bet that was a great smell...lol
Just get a new carb and tap the hole and put a bolt
You can’t be serious about hand-grinding the taper out of that shaft 😮
Sure you can. It ain't gonna be machinist quality, but the dog will hunt none the less. It's all about budget.
Run the motor while you do it..and look like a pro job
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