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Idk! The first I’d ever seen it was on game pigeon

:)

I was wondering why I kept getting views from the same IP

Thanks man

If I remember correctly it’s because it detected a win 12 moves ahead

@@JoeCoup1 fair enough; IMO for a proper AI it should still take the game to a guaranteed win (i.e. no combination of moves prevent a win; this is automatically the case when you control 1 square more than 50% of the board; so branches can end there rather than at the conclusion of the game), but this explanation makes sense (and the correct follow up, yellow, is trivially obvious)

Lmao, that’s funny

AI is just algorithms sekgetto

No you

Right now it feels like there are large chunks of highly edited and large chunks of completely unedited parts of the video. The ending was extremely abrupt and felt like you rushed to finishing the video. With just some practice on creating a winning formula your content is bound to succeed. Absolutely loved the video but I think there is a ton of Enhancement that can still be made. Wishing you the best man

Thanks man! I agree, I just need more practice but I’m getting better :)

Thanks!

nice

nice

Gonna open source it soon :) busy with work and a game jam rn

I have not! Maybe in a future video

Thank you :)

:(

Do 8 ball

i think knockout would be super interesting, it is the main game i think of as a "gamepigeon original" although it would definitely be more complicated to implement since there are wayyy more than 4 possible moves

that is my second favorite game on there (Not including chess)

do word hunt. seems pretty easy to code. you'll probably have to use a dictionary api tho

Chess, Ataxx, Go

Did not know about it at the time!

why would it? this game seems rather simple for mcts

@@user-ws7kp1yh9l A. no heuristic B. Filler has many moves but low number of possible actions

thought about that, I kind of agree

Are you saying just do the color with the most squares each turn? If that was the case then it’s pretty easy to beat, you can just go section off a big portion of the board and you will win

I will soon! Just gotta clean it up. :)

thank you! I gotta get working on cleaning it up lol

nvm, you did. i guess it is python slowness than

Maybe, I thought that. I tried doing Cython but I couldn’t get it to compile and decided it wasn’t worth it

@@JoeCoup1 i think i will try remaking this project in go or zig some time. just to see how fast can it be

Lmk if you do! :)

@@JoeCoup1 thank you for inspiration :3

thanks! I liked using blockbench but don't know how much more I will use it tbh. 3d games aren't really my thing for game dev

@@JoeCoup1 I get it, I have made a lot of 2d games too, didn't publish any but we don't talk about that lol, idk its easier and fun. But recently I found 3d to be pretty good and a fun challenge, I used gamemaker and now am using godot

I have an idea for a 3D game just don’t know when I will get around to it. How are you liking godot? I find it’s really easy to do things

@@JoeCoup1 Its pretty good, haven't finished any games on it though, it makes everything pretty easy, I did some networking without any line of code its great, I do like hard coding some aspects tho, and thats a big turn off for me in 3d in general

I did! I started editing/explaining alpha beta pruning in the video and it just was too much for what I wanted the video to be. I didn’t want to lose people from seeing the end result by explaining a topic that could be a bit confusing

Hmm I don’t know about those! Gonna look into it

Thank you :)

What is the one player version called?

Hmm, I figured that might happen. Do you use android? Game pigeon is an IOS exclusive, but it’s very popular among IOS users

@@JoeCoup1 I use Android, and iMessage is also not as popular where I live (and frankly I think it's not very popular outside of the States at all).

yeah pretty sure that is true, thanks for watching the video regardless!

​@@JoeCoup1why not androd

wdym? Why don't I have android? My phone was a gift that's why. As to why game pigeon is not on android, it probably has to do with how imessage is different than a standard text

I agree :)

But sometimes the color that is less common will lead to a better board later on, like sometimes choosing a “worse” move will make your opponents move bad therefore making it a good move

This is like saying in chess you can just take the highest value piece you can with no consideration for anything else

@@Philyshark7 I would argue this is not really the same, because chess is a very complex game, where very importantly the opponents interact a lot with each other.

@@umikaliprivate In filler the opponents also interact for example choosing a color blocks the opponent from choosing the color; and where you expand also changes where you should expand. Its the difference in being shortsided with attacks vs looking ahead

Yup! Mini max is fun to see in games. I want to use it more/use other game solver algorithms

Thanks man, I’m hoping it will too :)

I have never heard of that, gonna spend 30 minutes at work reading about it lmao Edit: I just read up on how it works and that’s super interesting. Never thought about that before. Thank you!

@@JoeCoup1 Any plans to implement it in an updated video? This video seems pretty cool

Either that or I implement it in a different game. Do you have any ideas for a game?

​@JoeCoup1 it would be legendary

@@JoeCoup1connect four?

Thank you! :)

Interesting! I thought about a similar idea but I wanted to try and solve the game, so if I solved it then it didn’t matter. However my code was just too slow to solve it and maybe something like this would have been useful

You could probably modify this AI very easily by weighing the squares by how strategically valuable they are. I.e. score for player A is the sum of [distance from A corner] for all squares controlled by A. Similar for B; And then as usual the advantage is the difference of the scores. My initial thought would have been to use the distance from the starting square as the weight, specifically Manhattan distance. But that would weigh something along the edge the same as something in the center (and Euclidian distance is even worse). You could also use [distance from one of the edges adjacent to your start] times [distance from the other edge], or for short X*Y, but that would place basically zero weight on the edge positions, unless you do (A+7)*(B+7)-7² or something like that, where you can tweak the exact value you add. If you simplify this, you see that it's actually A*B +(7A +7B), or a small amount of the multiplied weight with a larger amount of the Manhattan distance weight.

I saw something similar for chess where they used like a hashmap to store where each piece had a value associated with a square, center tending to be the best. Would be interesting and probably work

In this case I would be very surprised if it mattered, board control is already being considered because of how deep it is searching, if the ai searching a branch where it fails to properly handle board control then it will score less and be less favored.

@@tomtravis858 Yes, board control doesn't _really_ matter, *if* you just look far enough ahead. But you can say the same about the score; *if* you look far enough ahead then you only need to know who holds more area, not _how much_ more. The differences between score functions _theoretically_ don't matter, but they come into effect if you can't look enough moves ahead to cover the whole game, or if you do A-B pruning. If the score more accurately reflects who is going to win, then you can get away with looking less moves ahead, and you can prune more aggressively, speeding up the AI. Then again, the score functions should agree at the point where the game is finished. Which the score function that I proposed doesn't. If there's a single center square and 2 or more edge squares available, my AI would _ALWAYS_ prefer the center square, even in the end game. You probably need to interpolate between a position- and control-quantifying function and the pure score based on how many squares are still up for grabs.

Yes! I thought about this but I was trying to get my code to see far enough out that it wouldn’t matter. I wanted it to realize it was suboptimal by just scanning the entire game possibilities. However it was too slow, so something like what you suggest probably would improve its strength a bit

I’ve heard of them lmao. Never used them in game dev though. I only make 2d games lol :)

That’s very interesting! Thank you

Awesome! Thank you!

Thank you!

The game I made sucks! I bet you can do better :)

@@JoeCoup1 :)

My statement was more so that games have become easier to make. A lot of people seem annoyed at me saying “easy to make”, I really just meant easier

Game pigeon or Filler?

@@JoeCoup1 Filler, though I haven't heard of either. I am just here to watch you grow, came because of TFT

I haven’t played TFT since I started that video on it lmao. I really like the game but it’s hard for me to just play casually and not devote 6 hours a day to it

Wdym?

@@JoeCoup1 hes talking about the views he saying it got way to little views for how good it is

Oooo, I think this is my best video but it’s really niche so idk how it will do

:3

Yeah I’m not sure if it really worked lol

Thank you for watching :)

What I meant was easier than most people think :)

I am kind of interested in roblox dev, never played the game though