Charles Joynson
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The Problem with Obliquity
The Problem with Obliquity. From the writer of The Terraformers’ Toolkit.
Earth’s obliquity is the tilt in its rotation, so that it doesn’t quite rotate in the same plane as the solar system. This difference means that places away from the equator face toward or away from the sun at different times of year, giving us our seasons, winter, spring, summer and fall or autumn.
Early in the history of our solar system, many planets suffered collisions with planetesimals which left enormous impact craters, asteroid fragments, changed obliquities and altered spins. This left Earth with a 23.4 degree obliquity which means that life on Earth has evolved to survive with this.
Additionally Earth’s tilt or rotational obliquity has been stabilised over lengthy periods by the presence of our large Moon, without which Earth’s obliquity could vary enormously.
Plants and animals use the seasons to time their lives, including plant respiration, animal breeding, migration, feeding and hibernation. Any planet which we might consider terraforming would need to have a similar obliquity for life from Earth to survive.
Mars has two small moons which are not large enough to stabilise its obliquity, so that although it currently has a similar obliquity to Earth, it has varied in the past from 0° to 60°. Therefore, from our immediate planetary experience, it is possible to stabilise the tilt of a spinning planet by having a large moon. If large moons are key to stabilising obliquity, objects in the asteroid belt have been suggested as a possible moon to stabilise Mars’ obliquity.
Planets without seasons could have uniform conditions throughout the year, i.e., constant rainfall in one area and constant sun in another. This would make life hard in both locations. However, the climate of a zero obliquity planet would include far more glacial ice than a planet with even a moderate tilt. This is because any snow which fell could never be melted by a summer that never came. Equally, planets with high obliquity would be hostile to life because each Pole would face the star for months of the year, resulting in months of constant daytime heatwave, followed by months of freezing darkness.
Thus, before we can add life from Earth to a planet, it must have a stable Earth-like obliquity. Mars already has the right obliquity and little more needs to be done apart from warming the planet and adding an atmosphere and water. However, scientists are still uncertain whether Mars’ obliquity will be stable in the long term, or not. If it is deemed to be insufficiently stable on human time-scales, a larger moon will be needed. The material in the asteroid belt may not be massive or common enough to construct a large moon. One additional issue here is that Phobos and Deimos are too small and too close to Mars to be much use.
There are two possible ways to change a planet’s obliquity:
1. Asteroid impacts
The obliquities of both Mars and Earth are believed to have been set by impacts early in their histories. Finding asteroids which could be used as impactors to change a planet’s obliquity is limited by the range of objects in the asteroid belt and by their value as mining resources. However, if a number of smaller impactors are needed, they might be sourced from either the asteroid belt, Jupiter’s Trojans or the Kuiper Belt.
Once an obliquity of approximately 23 degrees has been attained, a large moon may be needed to stabilise this. Only the dwarf planet Pluto also has such a proportionately large moon. Therefore, a relatively large object would be needed to duplicate our Moon’s obliquity stabilising effect.
2. Momentum transfer
It might be possible to use objects from the Kuiper Belt or asteroid belt to transfer angular momentum from a gas or ice giant by tight turns around the planet needing tilt correction and the giant planet. However, an asteroid intended as an angular momentum transfer vehicle might come within the Roche limit of either planet and be destroyed in the process. One possible solution would be to follow a path around 3 rather than 2 planets to limit the tightness of its turns.
If the object transferred much of its momentum, it could be placed into a stable orbit around the planet as a moon, which may stabilise the obliquity once it has been corrected.
Any terraformed planet without seasons would be hostile to most of the life from Earth as animals and plants would not know when to perform critical functions. They would mistime their lives and fail to breed, not get enough to eat or lose contact with each other. This includes domesticated animals and plants important for human survival.
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Komentáře

  • @joemanning8392
    @joemanning8392 Před 4 dny

    Love your work

  • @YellowTroutLily
    @YellowTroutLily Před 5 dny

    I purchased your book on this topic and it arrived today. I am enjoying and pondering this future history

  • @LogicAndReason2025
    @LogicAndReason2025 Před 22 dny

    Better to use O'Neil Cylinders that can be used as a long term living and construction facilities with artificial gravity. We need to start with one big enough to be used as a space hanger. The biggest cost (and danger) of space travel is getting off a planet. Planets are so volatile and unstable, we should not even waste time and money on them. Mars is cool, but will never make a good living place and moons are only good for mining. Even if we invent Star Trek Level propulsion systems, planets will still only be good for tourism. (scenic views) Also, large space stations will eventually be needed for populations to escape planetary disasters, such as moon sized asteroids and nearby supernovas. Even our own sun is going to destroy earth eventually.

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 21 dnem

      Space stations will require less resource and presumably money to build. However, the risks are higher due to meteorite impact, loss of atmosphere and temperature control. Planet terraforming would be hugely expensive, but once done the atmosphere would provide protection from all these threats. So we may have hundreds of space colonies in the solar system before Mars is terraformed.

    • @LogicAndReason2025
      @LogicAndReason2025 Před 21 dnem

      @@charlesjoynson7758 That make sense, but what about radiation? Wouldn't we have to have a planet with the same magnetosphere as earth?

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 21 dnem

      @@LogicAndReason2025 Mars has about 1/3 the gravity of Earth, which means that to achieve a 1 bar air pressure at the surface it would need a much thicker atmosphere than Earth. This on its own would provide some protection against radiation. It might be possible to add a magnetic shield generator between Mars and the Sun which would help reduce the damaging effects of solar mass ejections, but it wouldn't be of much help with cosmic radiation. Also space stations will always be more vulnerable to radiation than planets because of the amount of shielding possible.

    • @LogicAndReason2025
      @LogicAndReason2025 Před 21 dnem

      @@charlesjoynson7758 Very interesting. I guess what you mean by a planet having more shielding, would be by having habitation deep underground? I thought that the O'Neil cylinder used the hull to store water and above that, soil that would provide some shielding. Plus, given the configuration of the OC, the hull could be many feet thick with many different materials for shielding and meteor impact protection. Perhaps even an outer layer of some material that could stretch a little. Like a catcher's glove for meteors. Much like sand on a planet surface. Perhaps even a thick gel like substance with something like lead mixed in for added radiation protection. Worst case, it may be that genetic engineering humans to be less fragile might be the only way to live off planet.

  • @BarryRosovske
    @BarryRosovske Před 2 měsíci

    SEEMS VERY FANCIFUL

  • @danielsee1
    @danielsee1 Před 2 měsíci

    All work and no play.

  • @thorburnjschwegler
    @thorburnjschwegler Před 3 měsíci

    Man this guy's knows it he's pretty quick on the ball

  • @its_speedyleo
    @its_speedyleo Před 3 měsíci

    i stuck with the death star

  • @randydicotti3975
    @randydicotti3975 Před 3 měsíci

    Since the slow but steady expansion of our Star will work against such massive efforts, perhaps it would be wiser to work with the outer moons and planets which would have the benefit of becoming more habitable as our Star expands and also give us more time. that said, if it absolutely had to be done you give some very thoughtful paths towards terraforming a hot planet. Perhaps technological breakthroughs and or the advancement of artificial intelligence and robotics will expedite such endeavors in the future.

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks for your reply Randy. Terraforming Venus is likely to take place in the coming 10,000 years. That gives us plenty of time to use the planet's atmospheric resources. The expansion of our star will happen, but in hundreds of millions of years. By then our descendants will probably all over our galaxy.

  • @ryokutraining9430
    @ryokutraining9430 Před 3 měsíci

    Venus terraforming always fascinates me. Wish more sci fi explored it

  • @ryokutraining9430
    @ryokutraining9430 Před 3 měsíci

    Fascinating!

  • @eelsoirdor3573
    @eelsoirdor3573 Před 3 měsíci

    So, how did it go?

  • @Charlie-Em
    @Charlie-Em Před 3 měsíci

    Yakub's Beloved.

  • @thekito4623
    @thekito4623 Před 3 měsíci

    a small investement into a new microphone would go a long way to make your channel more successful .... but it seems to me that either way if you just keep it up, you will probably grow big ... this video reminds me of isaac arthurs channel ^^ if you keep posting regularily im pretty sure youll grow big

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks, I have got a good microphone, but the Camtasia app i'm using refuses to use it. I'll probably need to upgrade or do more research.

    • @groggen2060
      @groggen2060 Před 3 měsíci

      maybe record the audio separately and then add it in?@@charlesjoynson7758

  • @salemsmith2878
    @salemsmith2878 Před 4 měsíci

    Could life from earth already somehow spread to other parts of our solar system? Like via an asteroid chunk or satellite or something else somehow? I wonder if it might become harder to tell if life has a truly different origin the longer we are around.

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 4 měsíci

      That’s correct Salem. However it would be much harder for an asteroid to get to the outer solar system than the inner. So we far more likely to find earth life on Mars than on the outer solar system moons. Another point is that once it’s actually arrived, either on earth or on Mars, it would start to mutate and would evolve differences, although it would still share DNA with us.

  • @philbanks5075
    @philbanks5075 Před 4 měsíci

    "Promo sm"

  • @salemsmith2878
    @salemsmith2878 Před 4 měsíci

    Couldn't you just group together thousands of smaller asteroids together to build a moon vs say moving a really big rock?

    • @charlesjoynson7758
      @charlesjoynson7758 Před 4 měsíci

      Some of them are metal rich, so we'll need them for our technology. Together all the asteroids in the belt make up just 4% of our moon's mass, so they may not be enough. But it depends on the technology our descendants have at their disposal and how powerful their rocket engines are.

    • @salemsmith2878
      @salemsmith2878 Před 4 měsíci

      @@charlesjoynson7758 Wow, I had no idea the volume of asteroids was actually that small. Honestly, I thought there was another planet worth of asteroids out there, lol.

  • @bigspicydad8970
    @bigspicydad8970 Před 4 měsíci

    Cool vid

  • @cokemachine5510
    @cokemachine5510 Před 4 měsíci

    On this planet only. We can't enter the plasma of space beyond our magnetic field . Our bodies and mind cease to function. sorry you've been lied too.

  • @studentsactivity9820

    Very nice information 👍

  • @jesseback3536
    @jesseback3536 Před rokem

    epic

  • @simpod8242
    @simpod8242 Před rokem

    Cool 👍

  • @pauldavies9360
    @pauldavies9360 Před rokem

    I like the evolution explanation 👌

  • @KarenMafiaMomma
    @KarenMafiaMomma Před 2 lety

    Hello, what a wonderful idea, please tell me it's being used and how many?

  • @paulcaudle6275
    @paulcaudle6275 Před 3 lety

    Very informative video!

  • @GauravGupta-pb8mk
    @GauravGupta-pb8mk Před 3 lety

    Thank you sir

  • @aoletzgo6657
    @aoletzgo6657 Před 3 lety

    who''s here coz of online skl

    • @hz6473
      @hz6473 Před 3 lety

      Ong had enough of this. Mans on a bench teaching me bare yk.

  • @ArmandoZava
    @ArmandoZava Před 4 lety

    Great video - I'll be showing this to my students tomorrow!

  • @nik50360
    @nik50360 Před 5 lety

    Really helpful and easy to remember - thanks

  • @ericaslittlewelshgarden

    Really enjoyed your video, subscribed for future videos. Take care!