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I wish we had audio recordings of the ancient prophets.

@@WhatBibleSay or just listen, those oral teachings are still shared and all you have to do is accept them as God's Word without it being within the Bible

Keep watching other videos where I share my finding on the deuteronimists vs prophets. My purpose is just to provide a counter to the argument people make that the Bible is complete, and we don’t need anything else.

We believe the Bible as far as it’s been translated correctly. And the Book of Mormon explains many of the plain and precious truths that have been removed from the Bible. Yes, the records written by the apostles are true… but we need to be careful whose hands they passed through after they were written. In my own experience, I’ve had the most trouble with contradictions in the Old Testament. The very people who wanted to kill Lehi and forced him to leave, were the ones who controlled ghetto scriptures.

@@WhatBibleSay Regardless of these justifications, the Book of Mormon is clear. The scripture still says the Bible we have now is true and preserved by God, regardless of things being taken away. The Book of Mormon “was given by inspiration … proving to the world that the holy scriptures [the Bible] are true” (D&C 20:8-11). The Apostle Mark E. Petersen said, "The Bible in and of itself is a divine miracle. The preservation of the Bible and its survival to our day is likewise a miracle. The fact that it has endured the merciless onslaughts of blinded clerics, ignorant and prejudiced kings and governors, not to mention the later attacks of a misguided intelligentsia, is also a miracle. … We do not need to worry too much about those words ‘as far as it is translated correctly’” You wouldn't disagree with an Apostle, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Book of Mormon would you? Or would you rather support the Bible, as they do?

James...Everyone? I would say that "Everyone knows that this amazing world was created by God." There is more to this story than fairy tale. It's significant in helping us know our place and purpose in this life. Hence why this topic was covered in two episodes.

Glad you enjoyed this episode

Very logical

@@WhatBibleSay I think so. Thanks

You are welcome. Thanks for commenting.

Thanks for letting me know.

Thanks for sharing.

Sorry about that. For the other channels I produce, I bring in my filming crew and they can monitor audio. For this channel, it's an out of pocket expense, and I do all the filming solo... and after the fact, I heard the audio problem you are talking about. Not sure what the issue was.

I’ll look into it

I haven’t thought of it that way. We do believe in being perfected through Jesus Christ. What do you believe?

Amen, I love this logical approach.

Thank you for your detailed comments. This really adds to the conversation and is helpful!

Cool. Thanks for sharing!

Very important question. This type of marriage is performed in Temples by someone with the proper authority. czcams.com/video/mgo-7UqDi28/video.htmlsi=24mTWw9MVWEQG378

Yes, Jesus Christ makes up for all unfairness.

I know that family is an essential part of Gods plan for his children and that families can be together forever.

It’s a pretty big difference, so I can understand you having a strong opinion. I know families are central to Gods plan for us as his children.

Genesis 2:28 says "man and his wife were naked and not ashamed" before the fall married in eternity.

You have to read verses in context. And it’s helpful to put those verses in context to all the other teachings about marriage.

@@WhatBibleSay please put what Jesus said in context for us.

Think about who was asking the question and what their position on Resurrection was. And consider what their intention in asking Jesus was.

That’s like saying Moses plagiarized the story of the creation.

@@WhatBibleSay I get it you believe the bible is corrupted or you wouldn't be Mormon. Yet the evidence shows one is true and the other is false. I pray you examine each for the truth. That "testimony" test of LDS is not biblical. I don't disagree that you get a feeling just as Jehovah's witnesses and Muslims and Hindus. The terms set forth in Moroni 10:4 are manipulative and use circular reasoning. D&C Section 9:8-9 - tells us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The BIBLE WARNS us against this SUBJECTIVE type of truth test. The LDS test for truth violates the Biblical test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be DECEIVED. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Biblical test begins first with PRIOR Scriptural revelation and to test all things by it (2 Tim. 3:16; 2 Peter 1:12-2:3; 1 Thes. 5:19-21). 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." The Bible repeatedly warns us about false teachers, false prophets, false Jesuses, false gospels and counterfeit Christianity (Matt 7:15, 24:24; 2 Peter 2:1-3; 2 Cor. 11:3-4, 13-15; Gal. 1:6-9). Scripture explicitly warns us against demonic spiritual deception (1 Tim. 4:1). "And no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." 2 Cor. 11:14 Even when Paul and Silas delivered the truths of the gospel to the people of Berea, the Bereans were commended for EXAMINING the Scriptures to validate the claims of the apostles. There are NO Biblical directives to pray for new revelation based on a warm feeling for verification. Would you pray about the validity of the Koran or about whether or not Muhammad is a true prophet? If no, why not? Are the Muslims not sincere? They pray 5 times per day. Don’t they feel good or right about their faith? I have sincerely prayed with real faith in Christ and He has shown me Mormonism is false! I don't ask that you believe me, believe the words of the Bible that Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.

I understand where you are coming from, but that’s the problem when you only have one verse to determine an entire doctrine. That’s why “in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” When you combine all the words of multiple prophets, and multiple accounts of Jesus, we get a more clear picture.

@@WhatBibleSay Are you aware that everyone that sees a certain doctrine a certain way says the same exact thing, even though their compilation of scriptures they used to come up with their understanding is diametrically opposed to a dozen other understandings. That is why I go to the basics. Does the Bible teach we are intelligent spirits that do not need a body? Yes! Does the Bible teach our body will be resurrected and immortal? Yes! What can we do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit? Eat, drink, and copulalte. That's it! The reason we want a body is to be able to eat, drink and copulalte. If the only things we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only , that would require a mortal test is copulalte, then the purpose for mortal life is to see if we can be trusted with an immortal body that has sexual organs, like Adam and Eve had, that cannot be killed, even by God, because God declared it as a result of the atonement of Jesus Christ, and He cannot go back on His word. We can repent as spirits, but if we could repent of everything as a spirit, there would be no need for a mortal test. Considering the only thing we can do with a body that we cannot do as a spirit only that would require a mortal test is copulalte, there must be eternal marriage, otherwise, having a mortal body would be a waste of time. We would not want or need one.

With the limited doctrine you have, I understand where your misconception comes from. The truth is that God the Father has a perfected body. He wants His children to become like him. He sent us here to receive a mortal physical body and be tested. As we learn to control our physical bodies and act in God-like ways, we become more like our Father in Heaven. After this life we will be resurrected and have a perfected physical body like God has. This is truth as taught in the Old Testament but filtered by the Deuteronomists. It was taught in the New Testament, it is taught in the Book of Mormon, and it’s taught by true prophets today.

@@WhatBibleSay There is nothing God told Joseph Smith recorded in the D&C, and spoken of by prophets in the Book of Mormon, that I cannot prove is true. I have a perfect testimony of the restored gospel. It would be an unforgivable sin for me to deny it. You are reading my responses in the context of a critic. I am trying to show you how logic shows the doctrines of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints are true.

@@GarySaint-xm6tr Thanks for clarifying. You are right, I was confused.

Sorry to hear that. I study them both regularly and they align perfectly. I invite you to look closer. Listen to the "still small voice."

That’s a very good question. I know God is good, and God has given us agency.

The ordinance is what is important. No one will be “stuck” with someone they don’t wish to be with. All things will be equitably sorted out by God.

It seems things aren't as neat and tidy as we'd like. Things can get complicated very quickly. If "God can work it out" in the end, why not stop pretending we can put things into a perfect little plan.

The King James Version. What about you?

@@WhatBibleSay the KJV of which book? The Bible or the book of Mormon?

I state the book at the beginning of each verse. I read the KJV of the Old and New Testament. For this topic, I also shared some verses from the Book of Mormon.

@@WhatBibleSay you do understand that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are not the same book. Your title says, what does the Bible say about Adam and Eve.. perhaps you should have mentioned the Book of Mormon as well.

@@poleviatia5372of course. Ha! I was wondering what you were asking. I shared what the Bible says. And clearly shared some other verses to show what additional insights we have from the Book of Mormon. Most people who ask about the Bible are wanting to know truth, so if it’s helpful, I tie in other scripture. Is there a Bible verse I missed that I should have mentioned?

But God has revealed otherwise

Adam and Eve were husband and wife in the Garden of Eden. So when God performed the marriage ceremony, did He say "Until death do ye part" when there was no death in the world at that time? Tell me you can't imagine a happier place than heaven where everyone is fatherless and motherless and divorced.

We were created male and female. We're different beings in body, spirit, and soul. We aren't given any scriptural evidence to expect our permanent physical bodies to disrupt that order.

Very sound logic

@@Kinetic2040 it's understandable that much of your self-identification comes from your physical feelings supported by your gender. But gender distinctions exist only because of sexual distinctions. And sexual distinctions exist only because we are sexually reproductive mammals. If you think such processes are required in heaven, you have a very poor idea of heaven.

@@WhatBibleSay "Sound logic" based on a vapid premise is worthless. See my reply to him.

Well, we wouldn’t know what heaven was like, if God hadn’t spoken to man and told us about it. If we didn’t have prophets, we’d be lost.

That's because it doesn't make any real sense at all.

It all makes sense if you understand the role of prophets.

I see it clearly. What is missing for you?

Thanks. Glad for have you here.

If I missed some verses you thought of, please share them. These are what I found.

I agree. The more I studio both books of scripture the more I find they fit seamlessly together, and paint a clear picture.

Why reject biblical truth? We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth. Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.

@@brettpinion4233 the Bible and BOM are true. I believe Jesus Christ showed Himself after His resurrection and I also believe the people in the Americas saw him and taught the people. I believe others saw Him but there are no records before He joined the Father.

@@andreafaldon5026 Yes the BOM contains some truth because Joseph Smith copied parts of the bible into the BOM. 15.5% (1,023 of 6,064) of the verses in the Book of Mormon plagiarize directly from the Old Testament and New Testaments of the Bible. You may be aware that the Quran also contains some truth as it copies stories from the bible as well. Does this make the BOM or the Quran as a whole true? No. Each claims to receive revelation from an angel to restore corrupted parts. Neither explains what the corrupted parts are. It is interesting that Muhammad and Joseph Smith both claimed God gave them authority to have multiple wives, J.S. having even more than Muhammad. Do you see the problem? Remember, Jesus said be aware of the yeast of the Pharisees? Mathew 16:16 It is the parts added to or changed to the scriptures that make Joseph Smith, the Pharisees (orally not to the scriptures) and Muhammad false prophets. It is simple to spot the Joseph Smith teaches a different false Father and son. So did the LDS apostles after him. I pray you recognize the danger you are in. 2 Timothy 3:16 ESV All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, Proverbs 30:5-6 ESV Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar. Either you believe the biblical scripture or Joseph Smith's teachings followed by LDS. You cannot hold both as truth as they contradict each other. Don't be fooled. The BOM says the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed AFTER the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3) No other Christian Church believes this. While Christians believe in one God in three persons. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught numerous Gods past and future. Joseph smith said: He (Father) was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Brigham Young made it clear God is a polygamists. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Joseph Smith changed the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods. This is a PROVABLY FALSE claim if you believe the bible. "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and B.Y. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. In the Bible, Jesus' teachings in Matthew 19:3-6 indicate that monogamy is God's ideal for marriage. In this passage, Jesus quotes from the Genesis creation account, specifically Genesis 1:27 and 2:24, saying, "the two will become one flesh," not more than two. Jesus also said, "For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the TWO will become one flesh" in a quote from Genesis 2:24. Jesus criticized polygamy. That is why I ask: What made you believe the bible is corrupted to make a new God that is not eternal, not creator of the Universe and approves of polygamy? You have to believe this if you follow the BOM and it's "prophets" Joseph Smith and Brigham Young. With love I pray for you.

Amen

Glad you enjoyed it!

Why reject biblical truth? Jesus said there is no marriage in heaven. We are commanded to test any teacher or "prophet" to see if it conflicts with previous revelation. The bible tells us to watch out for false teachers and examine the scripture just like the Bereans did to see if what the Apostle Paul was teaching was truth. Acts 17:11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and EXAMINED the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true. Test Joseph Smith against the words of God Jesus affirmed. Luke 24:44 He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of J.S. and LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God." & "Is there any God besides me?.. I know not one". God is saying there is NOT an infinite amount of Gods, and there is none like Him. LDS teaches that there is. "He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did" (King Follett Sermon) Either the BIBLE or LDS is FALSE.

@@brettpinion4233 I’d love to answer this using God’s word and what He said in the Bible, but you seem not open to talking about things you personally don’t agree with. When you are more open, feel free to reach out. And keep reading God’s word in the Bible :)

@@joshuaasuman1 Please show me what I have misstated from the bible? The truth is not afraid of examination.

Well, when you look at all the doctrine about opposition, of course god meant for the fall to happen. Without the fall, there would be no need for a Savior. This was all planned from the beginning before creation.

@@WhatBibleSay The doctrine about opposition is that there needs to be and will be an opposition in all things (2 Nephi 2:11). This doesn’t mean God is the One Who brings the negative opposition. Brigham young said negative opposition is coeternal with God. God knew that Adam and Eve were going to Fall, so He prepared for it to happen by preparing Jesus to be the Savior. I never said that the Fall was never going to happen. Again, God did not WANT the Fall to happen (2 Nephi 9:9), He KNEW it was going to happen (2 Nephi 2:24). That’s what the scriptures teach. We can’t add to God’s word (Deut 4; revelation 22:8-9). Here’s a link to a video series you should watch where the creator talks about the Fall, using the scriptures and words from prophets/apostles czcams.com/video/oJRhyBoZ8gg/video.htmlsi=Tb-HF6eMJKUthoQ8

Well thanks for sharing your thoughts.

@@WhatBibleSay and thanks for providing great videos using God’s word! You’re doing great and important things!

Happy to do it

You are so welcome. Thanks for sharing!

Most people who ask the question appreciate knowing all the doctrine available.

@@WhatBibleSay What do the LDS scriptures say? Would be a less misleading title.

​​⁠this content is free. I shared everything I found that the Bible says. I could have stopped there, but shared what the other books of scripture add to the conversation. You have a hard heart my friend.

@@WhatBibleSay My 18 years as LDS certainly left a bitter taste in my mouth. I am curious, did you check the JST for those verses as well?

Just a thought on the "bitter taste" comment. The claims of the church of Jesus Christ don't make a simple bitter taste possible. It's either totally right and delicious, or it's completely false and massive lie that would taste so horrific you'd want to die. I tried to find better words to explain my thoughts, but those are all I could come up with. The members of the church are sinners who need to Repent and rely upon Jesus. So it's easy to understand if an experience with some members left a bitter taste in your mouth. But in my experience, I've seen how the church really is led by a prophet, and the doctrines piece together so perfectly, that it fills me with hope and has helped me build a wonderful relationship with my Father in Heaven and appreciate my deep dependance upon Jesus Christ.

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for saying hello!

Glad to hear it. I appreciate the encouragement!

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’m glad you enjoyed this episode!

This is a new endeavor and costs me a couple thousand per month. If it ever turns profit the funds will be donated to the missionary fund.

I’ve questioned including hello saints. But what I love is even though his has different beliefs and interpretations of the scriptures, he shows respect and kindness. Watching his content has helped me understand true doctrine better. It’s helped me appreciate the restoration even more.

@@WhatBibleSay Hi. I personally don't think he is exactly "shows respect and kindness". He is a "Slick Willie" very carefully seducing the weak. I have watch comments of members exiting LDS to follow Jeff. I don't believe he shows respect. I believe he preys on LDS nativity to lure members of the church away and uses his carefully architect-ed plans to seduce naive members. Jeff is Prophecy that has now been fulfilled. I sing in local ward quire. I can't sing in SLC due to Requirements. Jeff doesn't qualify yet, suckers broke the rules to allow Satan's helper sing in the Tab Quire. Jeff knows how to lay a trap. Note: you can't catch a mouse with aluminum foil as bait. You catch a mouse with delightful mouse goodies. Jeff knows he can't catch members being Protestant. Jeff lures members away being deceitful of who he really is and displaying a delightful persona that the Naive fall for.

I removed it and replaced it with another channel. 😀

@@WhatBibleSay A Brother with a Backbone. AWESOME!!!. One of the channels that once defended "Hello Saints" was "David Alexander". He realized his error and warned members of how deceitful and dangerous "Hello Saints" is. Stand Strong, Stand FIRM. :)

@@WhatBibleSay Its good that you have a better appreciation of the restoration. Be warned, Pastor is very sneaky at seducing people to follow him. Look at the prophecies. It appears he is it.

I’m glad the gospel makes sense the more I learn. 😁 thanks for contributing to the conversation!

What verses would you suggest I read?

@@WhatBibleSay the bible isnt going to teach you about every subject. You need to read the bible in its entirety and discern its meaning, rather than cherry-picking verses in order to talk about a subject that isnt evrn mentioned.

@@bridgetgress The good news is we have other scripture, and even better, modern-day prophets.

@@NateWoodbury what do you mean by "other scripture" and "modern day prophets"? Public revelation ended with the death of John the apostle

You know fully well that’s not what John meant.

Wow, yo have a lot of time to comment on CZcams videos. You should look up the history of Orson Hyde and his dedication of the Holy Land for the regathering of Israel.

@@WhatBibleSay You make time for what is important to you. As for Orson Hyde, Charles Taze Russell could have taken up the mantle from him, as Elisha did from Elijah.

Yes, rightly so. I understand your perspective and why you might interpret things that way. I ask you a sincere question. If there were another book of scripture, and you could verify that it was the truth, the word of God, and brought about by the hand of God… would you want to know about it?

*Ecumenical*

@@chadmeidl1140 lol! Speech-to-Text failed me again 🤦‍♀️

I appreciate your perspective. I feel the catholic claim that they still maintain the original authority is a big stretch. After the apostles were killed, they called a remaining bishop the first pope. Bishops are not prophets or apostles.

This interview is SO amazing. This is from a Methodist Bible Scholar in England. czcams.com/video/PjuTrmCd2hY/video.htmlsi=5QOwjbnkLcfT7IBi

Are you saying that following the words of a prophet is blasphemy? Are you using the written words of prophets to prove your point?

This interview is SO amazing. This is from a Methodist Bible Scholar in England. czcams.com/video/PjuTrmCd2hY/video.htmlsi=5QOwjbnkLcfT7IBi

I love those verses. 😁 I’m not a fan of the label Mormon, but yes I’m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.

You’re welcome!