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Registrace 12. 09. 2011
Stark-Varg-Luddenham Test June 2024
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Drying track : Luddenham Australia. 8 years old tyre which held ok-ish.
Today we were working on peg and handlebar position.
The Stark Varg is returning to the track we lost the original powertrain to redeem itself. As it is with a MX offset (21mm), the bike is a sec off my petrol smr pace. We also improved cooling on track with 3 full rotations & charge cycle before derating ! The Varg is coming for it..
Thank you NSW Supermoto Riders Club & Sydney West Riders
Drying track : Luddenham Australia. 8 years old tyre which held ok-ish.
Today we were working on peg and handlebar position.
The Stark Varg is returning to the track we lost the original powertrain to redeem itself. As it is with a MX offset (21mm), the bike is a sec off my petrol smr pace. We also improved cooling on track with 3 full rotations & charge cycle before derating ! The Varg is coming for it..
Thank you NSW Supermoto Riders Club & Sydney West Riders
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stark varg supermoto Eastern Creek karts
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ride at kings birthday Eastern Creek on a stark varg supermoto
Cameron Park may 19 : stark varg with jamezy
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Cameron Park may 19 : stark varg with jamezy
Stark Varg Supermoto Luddenham March 18
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Stark Varg Supermoto Luddenham March 18
Stark Supermoto - Wet Practice @ Cameron Park
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First ride on my Stark Supermoto The NSW SUPERMOTO RIDERS CLUB
Tyre options for the talaria sting
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Today I'm trying a mx 51 and mx33 on the sting. Is a smaller size better than the stock 80/100?
First ride on a Supermoto after 2 years
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This is my first time back on track after 2 years away from a track bike. I waled away after breaking my left leg 3 times in 4 years. An emotional ride for me.
The Talaria Sting IS NOT a enduro bike
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I think this bike is much better suited to fire trails then enduro. I have tried different things, and in this video I am summarising with you the prods and cons.
part 2 - actual enduro ride with talaria sting
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part 2 - actual enduro ride with talaria sting
First enduro ride : 18/21 talaria sting
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First enduro ride : 18/21 talaria sting
Is the talaria sting a good solution for enduro?
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My feedback raw straight after my first enduro ride
my feedback after riding the 18/21 setup
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my feedback after riding the 18/21 setup
Bigger tyres on the talaria sting
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Sharing my experience with you on how I fitted a wide 140/80/18 and 80/100/21 tyre on my talaria sting
first gearbox oil change on the talaria sting
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first gearbox oil change on the talaria sting
talaria sting & aftermarket suspension
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talaria sting & aftermarket suspension
First track day on Scirocco : last drive
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First track day on Scirocco : last drive
I have a 100/100/17" which equates to 4.75" for my rear tire. It fits so fucking well on the talaria, the wheels are dished a small amount, didn't have to do anything to the tire. This is the biggest tire you can fit on the Talaria, period. There are only a few tire brands that use this size so it's not for everyone but I love them. The tire is IRC Enduro VE33 100/100/17"
19/16 really is the best combo.
i hear with a 21 inch front tire and bottom out forks on jumps can rip off your mud guard. for me being only 140 pounds the stock forks outperform pro forks.... i can launch to the moon and barely bottom out and this is how you want your forks to bottom out on your biggest send and should meet all the needs of other ride conditions
can we get a link to the floating rotor???
Getting here late to the party, but a mx3 with 1/2 to 5/8" chain slack measured on bottom portion of chain half way in between sprockets sounds the same… at least mine does. also, I use a non o-ring chain.
What’s the actual tire sizes? (not just the rim size) Got some spare AC10 tires and may order the 21/18 wheel conversion so would be handy to know. Thanks
I don't get how it doesn't rub
That’s so much effort. I bought a dished wheel from a pro company. Also my set up is only 19x16. 21 front would help getting over huge rock stair cases. Learning to wheelie would be helpful too
Ay man I was wondering if you could put any shock on the bike because I’m a little more on the heavier side so yea I was just wondering
You can replace just the spring if you need to make it more compliant, or a whole new shock if you prefer with heavier spring. Just make sure to look for the right dimension 267*89
@@jglaine would it work with any one ?
Hey, been thinking about getting a 100/90 - 19 wheel for the back but im not sure it will fit its aprox 3mm bigger diameter so 1.5mm on each side. Do you think it will fit?
Sorry its about 2cm smaller in diameter
@@ElliotJonsson-uq3pr i rekon it will fit mate. You may have to "maybe" offset the hub slightly to avoid the chain, but doubt it
Hi, did you by any chance solve this noise?
Not really, but the noise doesn't bother me that much. I found regularily greasing the chain helps keeping the roller noise down.
Hey how long does the hwadstem have to be ..I'm looking at used forks and working how long it has to be to fit, same as surron? 8 3/4- 9" ??? I know its 1 1/8 dia
My talarias got 80/100-19 out the box ?
Any ideas of the dimensions of the box that it ships in - thinking about getting one into the back of a car. Merci.
Just found it on one of the US shop sites - 1630x320x880mm.
Please tell me I didn't just watch an upside down rear shock and you being ok with that?
can you run tubeless on those?
Sure can, CZcams e-moto bros they did a tutorial
Merci jean-gabriel, check Rev-X maybe you'll get what you want...
ahh super !!! merci beacuoup i'll check this one out !
@@jglaine tu n'auras peut être pas la réponse throttle volu...limite de l'élec mais ne part pas sur un DRILL ONE =) dit moi si t'as besoin du contact de Bo (passe par FB)
By switchIng out those stock Killah forks for some Fox 40 floats will definitely improve this bike.
i'm now running the fox. They're good, a lot stiffer than the rst that's for sure. But i had Bomber 888's before and i was really happy with them as well, the only difference i can find is the stiffness. I rekon bomber's or even rockshox can perform just as good as long as they're 40's stanchions. But yeah, the Rst is definitely not as good, but i rate them higher than the dnm thats for sure !
AWESOME 👀
What is the seat height with this setup?
sorry i forgot to take the measurements.I have another video just with measurements, maybe check it out i can't remember if i did measure with the 18's or not. From memory, it's super similar to the 19's
@@jglaine No problem I’ll look for it. Thanks.
Is the Surron a 2022 or 2021 model? After you changed back to the belt on the Surron how does the sound compare to the Talaria now? Did you notice a decrease in noise after you change the oil in the talaria? Thank you.
yes definitely quiter after i changed the oil. The surron was a 22 model. The chain was noticeably louder, i didn't like it..but i also used the first version of the luna kit which i'm told is noisier than their v2
@@jglaine So stock setup vs stock the Talaria is significantly quieter in your opinion or?
The mx 33 is surprisingly lightweight. I just out it on my front tire and I'm doing a 16in rear woth a 525 cheater
It seems to me that the talaria is not a SurRon killer it's killing it self no problem with that set up with a Sur Ron
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You should be able to spin the rebound adjuster 180° on the bottom of the shock so it fits?
not with the r2c unfortunately, not enough clearance...
@@jglaine that sucks I just got an ohlins for mine and I was able to turn the rebound adjuster 180 so it was facing out the opposite side to the main reservoir like the stock fastace.I am looking forward to you making more talaria content
@@zachfpv4493 Thanks man ! yeah i took a step back on the Talaria, got a few projects on the go including electric supermoto so it keeps me busy. With the Sting i went as far as i could go with it before dropping big $$ for more power, only to realize the best way to use the bike is stock and keep it as light and nimble as possible. If you need a hand tho, don't hesitate to ask !
@@jglaine I will have to check out the supermoto.have a good one mate
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Thanks for the info.I have the same tyre in 100/100×18 and am waiting for the gritshift spacer kit for the wheel.hoping it fits without too much drama 🤞
Can you do a video on how you mounted the front fender to the fox 40s
What was the 80/100-19 like? Grip, side bite, knob height, weight etc? I see riders replacing them but stock power Surrons need a light tire in that size.
A step up from the surron tyre that's for sure. But it doesn't last long..
@@jglaine can you recommend a rear tire for my 16" x 1.85 milkracing wheel? 50/50 - 70/30 street/offroad. Stock power so the lighter the better. I can't find much here in Europe. Thanks.
FORTRA 80-100x19 best tyre for stock rim
Hallo👍
What's your height?
1.78m
hey man i got a question about transport. So can you put the bike laying flat down in the back of your car to transport or does it mess up the bike or can i have it at an angle?
I never done it, shouldn't be a problem at all though, just disconnect the circuit breaker first
@@jglaine take the circuit breaker out or simply turn it off?
@@mortalz9940 no just turned the breaker off and while you're at it take the battery off the bike as well for transportation
@@jglaine oh okay thanks for the help
I thought you already switched to the 18 in the back
I did for enduro, watch my last video but I won't be doing that again with that size tyre. I'll be switching to the lightest 18/21 set-up I can find, haven't had a chance to do some research yet
@@jglaine ya I had shinko 244s on my talaria and it really ruined my range as well as the peppiness was gone. So I went back stock. Keep it light until theirs a controller upgrade available.
@@MotoAlias you're spot on!
Thanks for this great review. Very instructive. What about a Drill One? Doesn't it better suit your needs?
I have seen one but not ridden one. They look very well sorted, but again more single trail purpose built than enduro. I think a varg or flux might be more adapted to this sort of riding... Weight, range and durability of components on the bike are all things that can be improved I think
Good info cheers mate. What brand are they?
Sorry I should have mentioned there Bridgestone
@@jglaine Cheers mate. Good brake info too, will be great to see the 'Milk's on it.
The amount of money you need to dump into one of these surrons/talarias to make them perform "like" a true dirtbike just isn't worth it. By the time you're done modding - the only stock part left would be the frame and even then its just a strange size and feel in comparison. I love these bikes but if someone's goal is true enduro/offroad riding just stick to dirtbikes. These things are great for messing around and using it like a pitbike or as you said light smoother trails.
i agree with you mate 100%. They're just not designed for harder terrains, and that's ok ! they perform much better on single trails than a stock bike that's for sure..but rocky bumpy terrains, hard climbs, big jumps...not good..
How much range do you typically get?
depends, with ther enduro wheels i think about 30km. Stock i get 60 kms
Who cares nothing build for ever
What camera you using?
I use a insta360 x2. Really happy with it
I upgraded to a yz85 big wheel complete front end, and I will move to a rear pit bike shock. Also went with 19/16 with a 54t. The ride is tenfold better than it was and we abuse it tight trails. Coupled with the new KO esc and 240 molicels I just ordered I think it will handle much much more than I even expected. Personally I feel 21/18 is too large for this wheel base.
Yep too right! But that's what experimenting is about I guess, tried it, know it won't work :) I might even sell my wheels and get to 16/19
Did you notice any height issues with the rear 16 tire, and are you thinking to add a rear linkage (not sure there is even one available for the Talaria yet) to help level the bike?
@@irajcrawford I run 18/21 so not sure. To my knowledge there isn't any linkage available yet
Check out Vegas RoManiac. He does some pretty impressive stuff on his Sur Ron, which is essentially the same bike.
I appreciate the 'reality check' of your video. You are spot on when discussing the capabilities and best uses for the bike. I would suggest you check out Charged Cycle video on the 19/16 setup. You may need a gritshift surron to talaria hub to complete your wheel setup, but I think that may be the answer to riding. All the best!
Thank you! I did see their videos. I guess my idea of an enduro bike promted the 18/21 set-up, you don't know until you try it! Now I can appreciate why this set-up is more suited to this bike!
Great review. How many miles did you put on it? A few things as Im watching... The make 1/2 links for the chain. Maybe you would have better luck running a 19" in the rear? My buddy complained about the brakes when he rode mine. Now that they are seated, I can do a stoppy. Overall, It is a cheap china built bike, but I feel there's a ton of potential. Ive seen too many videos already of these bikes just mashing on gas bikes when it gets tight. I really like how you attempted to throw this thing right in the mix though. Good work. Im trying to find some enduro stuff around my area to run my Talaria on, but I'm not pro or anything. Its just for fun:)
Hey mate! Yeah next time I'd do a 58 to give me the right chain links for sure. I put 500km on the bike so far. I changed last night to magura Mt 5, it's really good. I think this bike is excellent for what it's built for that is tight single trails, in some ways mtb trails even though they would destroy them 😂 but what a fun bike!
You can look at it 2 ways. 1 It is a overbuilt mountain bike. 2 It is a under built dirt bike. I use it as a stupid fun mountain bike. Tight woods trails!!
That's it! And that's exactly where it shines! Sucks though, I was really looking forward to going enduro riding again... Now I have to look for another bike :)
@@jglaine Oh darn, ANOTHER toy haha! I have been looking at a big ol 650 honda enduro bike. Got to get bored with the new toy first. Or get more money ;)
Not to sound like a Debbie downer but have watched a few of your videos and feels like you should just buy a dirt bike , half the shit your trying to fit on there isn’t meant for it . In your defence there isn’t much out there for the talaria right now as far as mods. If you gotta wield something or cut something of zip tie something it ain’t meant to be . Just my opinion, safe riding!👍
Hey man, yes i agree with you ! i've had lots of dirt bikes before, and raced supermoto and superbikes. Stock is always better. i'm doing this to my talaria because 1. not much exist out of the box yet and 2. i'd like to commit making electric bikes better. And to be honest, with young kids that's all i have left to play with !!! It's a balancing act...They're not designed for enduro stuff, But if i can make it work for my type of riding, maybe others can benefit from it, or at least manufacturers can design parts for it...For example, I spoke to gritshift about making that sprocket spacer, sent them my measurements and they're looking into it. If that results in a product your can use Out of the box for larget wheels, that's all good ! But yeah, i agree i think at the end of it i'll endup going back to stock everything and buy a bike built for it.. By then i should have my Stark delivered hopefully :)
That rear tyre is an oem fit to euro enduro 2strokes. Eg my beta 250rr which I actually went down slightly in size. Crazy how you managed to make it fit!! The bike will benefit from a smaller size using a rim lock running say 5psi for $120
Cheers, that makes sense I bought the tyre at a gas gas and sherco dealer!
@@jglaine Fitted to sherco. Btw The knobs are actually shorter for FIM approval in certain events (less terrain damage) but may actually benefit your setup as well as the v soft grippy compound. Maybe a larger rear sprocket / extend chain will offset some of the gearing changes. Post a ride video the talaria tractor!
@@mikeaust80 hahaha the tractor indeed. I have changed to a 60T to compensate for weight last night with a longer chain indeed. It will suck more battery for sure ! i also upgraded the rear spring to handle the heavier tyre, and shimano pads for now to get more stopping power. Once i have the sprocket spacer made, i will definitely do a video ! cheers
@@jglaine Nice one. I’m no suspension expert but the heavier wheel would add unsprung mass which I thought would be more a valving change? Run that rear nice and low. Maybe a little lower initially until the carcass softens which doesn’t take long at all. For comparison I weigh 77kg ungeared / 112kg bike / 8psi 110/100/18 xc scorpion (thin walled like the Michelin you have) / greased Dunlop hd tube / smash rocks reasonably hard / never dented rear. Rim. Im partial to mousse on the front though Good luck !
Thanks for your updates, I like your videos! What I can't understand is that many people want bigger/wider rear tires and then cut of the side knobs. It is the last thing I would do!
yes ! in my case that's all i could find at the local shop, but no way i'd go that big next time.. And 100% agree wth you, cutting knobbs is dangerous too ! Hopefully once i'm done with this tyre i can get a decent alternative that bolts straight on ! other thing is, with that size you lose a lot of agility...i will report after a proper test, but my guess is it will suck on single trails..However i think the hard enduro stuff is going to be really enjoyable, especially climbs and rocky stuff...
Those tires are huge! For a mountain bike 😂. I’m liking mine stock for now. Yea it needs better tires, but until a power upgrade is here I don’t personally want to do it. But I am swapping to a bigger sprocket to see how that is. I only ride right single tracks. Great vid. Ride on my Aussie brotha!!
I completely agree with you, it's all about what type of terrain with these bikes ! stock is almost always better, at least until a power upgrade is available ! i've tried 54, 58 and 60t..So far i like the 60t, only dropped 3km/h compared to 58T. I found gear ratio is only noticeable until maybe 30km/h, then it feels the same..hope this helps !
@@jglaine awe thanks man! I wanted a 52 but got a 56 instead. I was kinda bummed as I don’t want to destroy the top speed. I got a new chain for the 52 but now it’s too short. I’ll let ya know how it works! Or u could check the channel from time to time. I’ll be posting vids like crazy now lol. Cheers mate!!
Are those warp 9 pegs? What did you need to modify to make them work?
They're from aebikes, not sure which brand. It requires a spacer for the overall width, and a spacer at rhe bottom of the bracket to lift the peg levelled with the bike. but they work
Nice! I'd like to see this vid again in landscape :)