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I really think this is a far too less talked about topic! It for sure took a lot of testing! May I add that I feel wider noses create more swing weight, but get on a plane very well. A narrower nose and tail give more control in higher speed. With a narrower nose you can get more pressure on the inside frontwing's tip..which is so nice bottom turning. 🤝

It looks a lot like the F-one SK8 only maybe thinner and not in so many sizes. And they both look a lot like my own design. Only after making it and riding it I found a lot of similar plan form foils. I know why the sweep back, there's a few good reasons that work even better with smaller foils for people who are more experienced. The reviews of the Omen Operator, the F-one SK8 and my own feelings on my latest design all share that the wing is smooth through turbulence and great in gybes. This outline with the tapered chord tips, the 7.8 to 8 aspect ratio gives a lot of agility but also that glide potential when paired with a thinner chord. Mine has pointier tips and likely thinner tips than both the Omen operator and the SK8. I think the SK8 is possibly only chord scaled for it's thickness, my one has extra progressive thinning further out and I did mine all in low modulus carbon, that flex is what gives it smoothness through the gybes and turbulence. I think the SK8 uses internal glass fibre, that will give flex even if the chord is thicker. Omen Operator is reputed to be very thin and high modulus. There's no doubt in my mind that there are a group of us designers who are on to something special with these late generation foils.

looking really good on your surfing and especially foam hits, making it look effortless.

Nice video. That board looks sweet and as you said you are not giving it back. I think you will be even more pumped about your Foil Drive. You will be catching 10x more waves on your Omen with a FD and be less tired. It's the best hack machine out there. You do a really nice job with your videos and I also think your number of views and subscribers will easily double if you start creating content with FD. There's many of us that want to learn more tips and tricks to prone foiling and downwinding with a FD. I think your surfing background plus your prone foiling skills will allow you to create some really good FD content.

So whats the difference between this board and your 1. one from Amstrong...!??

You’re going to end up with every size of flux. Can’t wait til you start sup paddling. I rarely prone anymore.

i have started analyzing tail rocker of the boards , duotone and gong are flat, seems afs are flat too i"ve seen a guy on a sls downwinder and a afs silk , fone got a 0.95 degree fw , i wonder if you could check on your boards ? i dont know why i keep buying setup that are no compatible with each other and have to shim the topplate . i've seen surfoiler with cool setup badly tuned they still manage ! it's very awkward to lean back to surf foil really shitty i will even say. 🤙yeww

Thanks man! I haven't tried swimming but now understand the effects of positive or negative and why to choose one or another.

What is the difference in angle of front and back foil without shim? (or 0° shim) I'm expecting that the "+" shim increases the angle, and the "-" shim decreases the angle. Not that the "-" indicates a negative angle between front and back foil...

it's all compromise, i tried without top plate shim on my crappy setup and it was unrideable and i rided like that few month board dropping instantly if i dont lean back, now i found the right setup and it's so much more confortable to have front foot, im full forward on my setup there is not other choice. i used a fone wing rocket-s to surf foil recently had to move it a little bit forward to improve take off as i was missing a lot of wave, take off was good but front foot was too huge ! it's not easy to find the right setup ! btw now let try a top plate shim tutorial haha 😅

Love this Dave! Great insight from a surf perspective

awesome, well-constructed commentary

Any reason for not using a leash?

Great content, lots of insights. Keep 'em coming 🙌

I think you tried to make a short but it’s was too long 07 sec too long 😅 happy to see yoy come back !

Good review, I like the garage chat/water footage! 🤙🏼🤙🏼

The first half of the video makes a lot of sense to me and is very helpful. I got lost at about 4:08. How does the narrowness of the planing area influence responsiveness and front foot/back foot pressure? Once you’re on foil, other than touching down or clearance in turns, it seems like bottom contour is irrelevant. Thanks in advance for explaining this in more detail!

Amazing ride and progression! Where are you located in NJ?

It looks a bit like the latest Omen. They are both thin. This one has a little more sweep back at the ends and also the anhedral weakens closer in from the tips in this one. I have my own design finishing up on the 3D printer and it's slightly closer to this one except I have more anhedral curve in the middle and thinner tips at a different angle. All planforms that should shred. I was surprised how much forward of the mast this is though, it makes it more turn resistant.

Chimes make gentle noises in the wind, chines are angles on hulls of boats and boards

Love the video! What advice do you have for an eFoiler looking to branch into the prone foil discipline? Would you recommend starting behind the boat first? I currently ride a 4’2 lift pro.

Awesome review. What's your weight? I'm shopping for a hybrid prone/wing board in the 45L-50L range for 83kg/185 lbs or so. I normally wing an Appletree Jazz 60L and my prone board is an Appletree Pro Foil V2, but I'm struggling a bit a 37L with with. I want a bit more foam. I wish the rear strap inserts weren't offset like this. I like the idea, but I ride switch a lot, so having a straight strap at the back is kinda important to me. @omenfoils

I love the editing that went into this! Very well executed!

Go Dave!💥🤙

Dark shirt and shorts hide the wing shapes and contours. Just suggesting 7:39 7:41

Very cool foil system. Definitely interested in trying one of these

Love the 850. Easy to ride, rips turns and fast! Great review!

Just a heads up the audio is extremely low volume.

Really enjoying going through your videos from the start. What Unifoil setup (mast, wing, fuse, tail) would you recommend getting into prone? I am a midlength surfer, love winging in waves so have foil experience, and weigh 145lbs. Live in Wilmington NC. Thanks!

yah.. just started to learn to wing in Thailand. humbling for sure... been surfing for 30 years.. .suping for 7.... humbled... but excited to keep going!

Hi great comparison. If possible could you confirm the distance from the tail to the kick pad?

In other words workout get in shape right ride a narrow board 🤙🏽🍍🤓

Hi came across your channel and I’m beginning my foil journey. What is the technique to pop up on such a small board…I’m 6 3 will that be a problem?

When popping up do you put your rear foot on the back of the board chicken wing style?

Love it Dave! Stoked you're digging Flux and really enjoyed following your tuning progression!

I'm the opposite. I can wing all day but I can't prone foil to save my life. The popup is impossible for me. Wing progression should be fast once you get up and build the muscles needed.

interesting review !

Great break out comparing the 2 different shapes!

Smooth looking turns Dave!

The sweatshirt tease!!!

Excellent analysis!! Makes total sense. I found similar challenges when I went to my more narrow board - but lots of the benefits you highlighted.

i feel like u would notice a way bigger difference if you tried 7 other foil setups, but i understand there is a conflict of interest.

Very interesting and very well presented👍👍. Thanks!

I'm wandering if you have thought about getting a foil drive just to increase your wave count. It would almost be like having a toe in every day. the new Gen 2 looks kinda neat. Your thoughts?

Boy, you have come a long way. I think you are doing really good now.

Riding is great. Love the way you pieced together this edit.

listen to your mind also buddy..sometimes its easier and talks earlier than the body.

Thanks, I am learning prone foiling and have zero surf background. The video helps put names to some of the things I am trying. Great mix of clips and dialogue! Helmets are great for sun protection, holding a camera, and warmth in the winter. I need to start wearing mine as a habit again.

amazing! youve progressed so much in such a short time!

Nice flow!