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I don't know if I've ever enjoyed anything in life as you seem to have enjoyed that.

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Josh Tomar is one I recognize as Agent Conroy from The Redwood Bureau on most podcasting platforms, I highly recommend it for anyone interested in... crazy sci-fi

This match was just a well deserved slap to the face with facts to these dragon ball fans

If you still can't make it out, Gohan yells "TRUNKS, PULL IT UP!"

Your passion and love for this show is infectious and seeing you be so gleeful watching was such a special thing =) There is nothing more wonderful than someone showing their joy!

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woman not gettin why not keeping up your gym routine will severly weaken you and you lose your gains quicker then you gain it. so ye Gohan being weaker and not fully able to keep all transformations makes sense. and every one else kinda kept up with it's training. even krillin for a bit but not enough that is why 18 made fun of him getting wounded by a bullit. so this was already in the buu saga adressed. Gohan is the lamest cast character to this day that just get pulled out of insignificance cause people loved ss2 gohan in cell saga. all other versions are trash

Gohan just isn’t a pure warrior like his father or Vegeta. It really is that simple. He does what he has to, when he has to but, he doesn’t want that life. So while he does achieve these incredible levels of power, he will not maintain them once the threat is eliminated.

I don’t see Gohan going super saiyan as the most necessary plot hole, it’s not too big of a deal. It’s to show that he is rusty, and that’s stated in the movie. He didn’t forget them, he forgot how to. The issue lies within Piccolo’s strength and that consistency. Piccolo is someone that consistently trains, and I find it hard to believe he’s fall behind Gohan who is doing little to nothing at all. Piccolo should be the one that is putting in work, because he isn’t rusty. He has basically no other duties other than focusing on his strength. He does not know how to access them due to his fatherly duties and earth life. He no longer trains, or trains very rarely. Post TOP Gohan started training in secret, but I think it was borderline strength maintenance, rather than actually progressing. And if he did progress, it was probably insignificant.

Nice Video Gaby, its always great to hear your opinions on this world wide beloved story! I know its still a problem but I'm also glad this Res F choice gave us Super episode 90, which is probably in my top 5 Super episodes. Also while Mutenroshi was told to have been secretly training, I kinda didnt liked that (Although I did enjoyed him tagging along in the universe 7 team), however the same explanation was given to Gohan in Super Hero and I was ok there. Probably because it tied back to Piccolo's earlier complaints and closed that plot point in the same cohesive movie and not something that negates a bunch of previous storylines where the mutenroshi was absent. Anyway great video as always!

I just assumed that neither Toriyama nor Toei really had a plan of what to do with Gohan post-ROF. Toyotarou, at least, seemed to stick with Gohan continuing to train and keeping his Ultimate state after the TOP... but then, when it came to doing the "Super Hero" recap arc, he had to bring Gohan back in line with how Toriyama and Toei had written Gohan as essentially one foot in, one foot out when it came to him actively training (which you mentioned with how Gohan was seemingly doing some portions of training in secret, hence his mastery of the Makankosappo, but still needed a rage boost to even re-unlock Ultimate... and maybe SS2 too, but that's a form that's often ignored or skipped over anyway because it's not visually distinctive enough from regular SS).

SS3 is kinda dumb as a transformation and Im glad they kinda nerfed it in Super with Goku saying its not useful because it drains power too quickly...but recall that babidi and buu were on their way to west city to destroy capsule corp. Goku just did that to distract them. But the whole thing of goku not ending buu because he wants the others to have a chance whats really dumb.

I always interpreted it as he lost his ultimate 'form' before they even retconned it into being a 'form' tbh. Edit: I think it's funny how people complained about super Saiyan Gohan enough in BoG that the animators made him look ultimate then.. but that was before this... So they were able to soft retcon and just say a powered up base Gohan got his butt whooped by Beerus? Not having to see gold hair so they can weasel through the next movie which they made him not know either form. Lol

I see it as Gohan being forced to go back to a life he never really wanted in the first place. Gohan never wanted to fight. Ever. He has never experienced any positive experiences relating to fighting except maybe the time with Goku in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber in the Cell Saga or the time he trained Goten and Videl. This is a guy who finally got the chance to relax, settle down, and leave all the fighting behind. He has a job and a family now. Him losing his transformations is him subconsciously not wanting to be dragged back into this nonsense again. Sadly, the rest of Super made it clear that he wasn't going to be allowed to, so he was forced to start training again.

I seem to remember Resurrection F tried to minimise the number of transformations in the series. Possibly because it was meant to be for a more casual audience, or (reset the clock) Toriyama himself couldn’t keep track of them all. But I interpret Gohan not having anything beyond Super Saiyan as partly a way to illustrate that he wasn’t going to be a key fighter in the movie, but also because it was just simpler that way. It’s similar to why Freeza skips straight to his final form, or why Goku and Vegeta don’t use any transformations apart from Blue. Obviously once Super happened, they decided to bring back all the old forms, hence why they gave Gohan the arc of needing to relearn them. Even then, the later movies kept with the principle of cutting out the numbered forms.

That green jumpsuit gotta go man

The problem with Gohan and a lot of child characters in fiction is they aren't meant to grow up because there character is defined by being a inexpensive child. It's difficult to write a character go through all stages of life and make them entertaining to watch throughout all of it.

I don't think you get that Toriyama intention noisily tanked Gohan's character. This actually started before the end of the Cell Saga. Gohan, who has been the primary POV character after the timeskip, suddenly becomes a pacifist out of nowhere. Toriyama was clearly done writing a battle manga after Cell and he decided to use the worst character to do useless main character power ups that had no bearing on the story. Gohan before he fights Cell and Gohan after are two completely different characters.

i thought when Old Kai unlocked his potential, he stated that all Gohan had to do was become a Super Saiyan, so the unlocked power basically added to his base Super Saiyan form.

Hello, Gaby! Long time no talk! :D I can understand Gohan being really rusty, as he hasn't seen a good fight since Super Buu and chose to be a husband, father and a scholar, but yeah, his moment in Revival of F and in that Super episode were just to have him be a distraction so that the main characters can come and save the day. Nice video by the way ^-^

That's an interesting set of thoughts you presented. Basically that Gohan, the perception that he lost a form and got weaker and such, where as potentially. He just hadn't kept up his training and wasn't at his peak like he was years ago, but Freezer in turn had gotten MASSIVELY powerful achieving a whole new form. Even if btw I personally watch the movie versions of BoG and Res F over the SUPER versions, because well the TV versions suck. Plus Piccolo doesn't needlessly sacrifice himself and die there. Super Hero did actually play around with how people perceive him, in a good way. And back at the time we discussed it on that podcast EP a bit ago, I didn't have that thought cross my mind at the time and just also the dumb moment of Gohan momentarily off balance with the weighted clothes lol.

The transformation wasn't explained clearly enough to begin with, its one vague line from old kai that was explaining how to activate the form, everything after was assumption on reader and toeis part.

Maybe gero somehow scientifically modified ki

The "Super Duper Saiyan" was a callback to the (abridged) Cell Saga right after Gohan goes SS2. Both "Super Duper Saiyan" and "Super Dee-Duper Saiyan" are said.

It's a neat item. It also looks good in the show. Nice video, it's cool to see these things like this.

I don’t know why it blew my mind when it turned into a heart. It’s so simple yet so clever

I don’t really have an item collection yet, but that might be something interesting to add. I like it.

Omg u are still beautiful

Always good to see ya Gabby. Great video

Glenat, the company that publishes the Dragon Ball manga in french, will probably release these, so it's just a matter of time lol.

smile precure is better

32:30 toriyama is that kind of author so you're right

correct me if im wrong, but aren't the naming conventions of Gohan based on asian culture? like he's not a teen or adult to us, but arent all their age limitations younger over there?

Idk why i decided to watch your reactions even though ive seen dbza times and times. But i iust realized the dr slump theme (or a version of it) is playing when goku is eating after coming out

Yes. Thank you for pointing out the ssj2 thing. It used to be be "the super saiyan thats gone beyond the wall of a regular super saiyan". A bigger mouthful that ssgss Which made super ssj3 be something like. I cant remember the wording but ssj3 was like the super saiyin that goes futher beyond the barrier of a super saiyin whos broken the barrier of a super sayin.

glad to see that you still exist ^^

Wait, bro mention one male surviving if Hiyoko was kept, but Kazuichi was forgotten in the equation. 2 guys would have survived in that plan. Oops?

Loved your reaction to the climax.. so emotional and raw. Good unfiltered stuff there.

Hope you are ok can not what for you to do a livestream 😭

Think I'm gonna order this figure myself after seen this video, maybe with an Orange Piccolo figure.

Yay, I'm glad you like him! I can't believe this whole time when you said they might be too edgy I was thinking you meant literally the sculp was too edgy/pointy and less rounded. I guess you mean edgy as in "trying too hard to be cool" lol. That's almost kinda the whole point of the Beast form though so he gets a pass. I'm expecting that Figuarts Zero version soon and I'm so excited. I heard because of the base and effects that he's smaller than expected, but regardless it's gonna look so cool...i mean edgy!

I like it. I'd describe it as intense, rather than edgy.

I think a bit of edginess is fine. That's a part of why I like Omega Shenron. His character design is edgy and it's cool

Aw yeah the Beast is here!

26:48 ...yet...

“Trunks pull it up!”

People can bash the Buu Saga all they want, but the SSJ3 transformation and Vegeta’s sacrifice is still up there with the best DBZ moments, IMO

I literally looked for 20 min for your channel and was hoping you reacted to this. Keep up the great content!

According to everything DBZ says about Videls mom... she never had one... not mentioned once.