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Athlean-X & Mentzer are WRONG! Pull-Downs / Chin-Ups DON’T Work Biceps at Both Ends!! (THIS Does) 💪
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Key Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:35 Error #1 - Shoulder Flexion (Pull-Downs Don’t Work It!)
0:53 How to REALLY Work the Biceps at the Shoulder
1:33 Position vs Resistance Examples
3:15 What About the Eccentric Phase?
4:51 Why Should You Believe Me?
6:13 Error #2 - Active Insufficiency
6:53 Error #3 - Supination
8:42 Intro to Regional Hypertrophy
9:42 Biceps Regional Hypertrophy - Key #1 (Biarticular Effect)
10:31 Biceps Regional Hypertrophy - Key #2 (Supination)
11:31 Specialized Supplements You’re Not Taking
12:13 ProHealth Longevity & the Importance of Personalized Nutrition
13:58 Fitness-Tip Friday Newsletter
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Athlean-X recently quoted a bodybuilder named Mike Mentzer in saying that “the close-grip palms-up pull-down is the best BICEPS exercise in the world, better than any curl you can do.” He even called the chin-up, which is the same underhand pull movement, one of the only 2 bicep exercises you need. Because, according to him “It applies the stress to the biceps from both ends because we’re going into that flexed shoulder and bent elbow position.”
Error #1 - The pull-down and chin-up do NOT work the biceps at the shoulder! It’s physically impossible.
The biceps perform elbow flexion at the bottom, and shoulder flexion at the top, and it is essential to work them at both ends, because that has regional hypertrophy effects on the biceps. Working them at the elbow preferentially works the LOWER biceps, while working it at the shoulder work the UPPER biceps more.
But a pull-down or chin-up combines elbow flexion with shoulder EXTENSION!! The exact opposite of what the bicep does!
To work the biceps at the shoulder, you need resistance against shoulder flexion. Here that’s the dumbbell pushing down on the upper arm, forcing the shoulder flexors like the upper biceps and front deltoid to work against it.
During a pull-down the shoulder’s in a flexed position, which may trick you into thinking you’re working shoulder flexion, but there’s nothing pushing down on the arm! The resistance - which is what matters - is the cable pulling up on the arm, forcing the shoulder extensors, like the lats and long head of the triceps, to work against it.
This can be confusing, because the shoulder IS in a flexed position. But the position itself doesn’t tell you anything about what muscles are being worked in any exercise. It depends 100% on where the resistance is coming from!
What about the eccentric phase? The shoulder is being flexed then, right? Yes, but it’s passive shoulder flexion because there’s still no resistance against it. Think of it this way, does the eccentric phase of a push-up work your back because your arms are pulling being retracted? Nope. Still works the chest, just concentrically then eccentrically.
The fact is that if you’re doing a pull-down or chin-up, nothing you can do, whether its overloading eccentrics, adjusting the angle of your elbow, or how far back you lean… nothing, can change that fact that you’re working shoulder extension. Not flexion.
Error #2 - Having the shoulders flexed and elbows bent at the same time - like they are at the bottom of a pull-down or top of a chin-up - actually puts the biceps into active insufficiency. So at this point of the exercise, even the elbow flexion aspect works the brachialis far more than the over-shortened biceps.
Error #3 - Having the forearms in a supinated position and working supination itself are two completely different things!
In order to work the biceps more than the other elbow flexors during a curl, there has to be ROTATIONAL resistance against supination! That’s what it does that the other flexors don’t. A pull-down or chin-up doesn’t provide that.
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Komentáře

  • @andrejstankovic531
    @andrejstankovic531 Před 3 hodinami

    How to train with Extensor Carpi Ulnaris Tedonitis?

  • @anasbendahou7722
    @anasbendahou7722 Před 3 hodinami

    Yes that exercice with side plank is all what you need for obliques

  • @luckfrytka4531
    @luckfrytka4531 Před 6 hodinami

    U are crap dr

  • @driftitlikeyouownit
    @driftitlikeyouownit Před 8 hodinami

    He is right you should be tilting your pelvis. You should do this for all ab exercises. Leg lifts do work but you have to tilt your pelvis. BtW Dreagon Flags work your entire ab mucles better but you should have very strong lower back first. You should first work your core so it is syrong and your lower back. Then you can work the ab region

  • @user-jv6mu2yb5s
    @user-jv6mu2yb5s Před 8 hodinami

    Yes!

  • @nattywho
    @nattywho Před 12 hodinami

    I’ll be doing this at home with ankle weights! I have been dealing with a pretty bad hip flexor injury and it’s wreaked havoc on me…lol. I believe it’s from weak glutes, because I have never trained glutes specifically! I worked out a lot and whatever part of my glutes got his during a workout, that was it! My hip flexors were always flexible, so I figured they are weak and it’s related to my glutes too! Thanks!

  • @district4promo609
    @district4promo609 Před 18 hodinami

    i think mike was talking about a reverse grip cable curl its essentially the same thing except you extend only the elbow joint ive grow my arms 3 inches by implementing reverse cable curls in my program

  • @mayamneimneh7933
    @mayamneimneh7933 Před 19 hodinami

    Where r the "how to squat correctly" videos please???

  • @yeriyahisreal4925
    @yeriyahisreal4925 Před dnem

    I literally have a 8 pack from doing various leg rise exercises

  • @debbiec6216
    @debbiec6216 Před dnem

    Eat slow , seriously , I'm not leading you down the wrong track . Eating slow will help with your digestion and to Avoid Acid Reflux , you have alot of health issues with it , example , the Acid reflux get into your Esophagus and burns your throat , if it does that then you have more issues with your esophagus and you can end up with Barrett's disease and then Esophageal Cancer. And stop eating acidity foods and drinks like Soda , greasy foods and fried foods ( Like Process Foods ). Do your own Research if you think it's not true . Oh there's more to this , I just mentioned a small amount , didn't mention about side effects , etc

  • @warriorloft
    @warriorloft Před dnem

    Coming from a CZcamsr who has horrible lower abs vs. actual pro body builders. 🤦‍♂️😂😂😂

  • @JulianPardenilla
    @JulianPardenilla Před dnem

    He’s not saying chin ups don’t work. He’s just saying it’s not the #1 exercise. I love Athlean X. But I don’t let my love for him blind me from the fact that this guy is right! After trying this exercise 100% you can feel significant difference in pump that you simply don’t get from pull-ups. Try it first before you write this one off. Objectively this exercise makes complete sense from just the biomechanics he explains.

  • @CCV60202
    @CCV60202 Před dnem

    I tried the flat bench version after watching this video. I chickened out because I realized that my abs are weak. Do you have an opinion of the Ab wheel I have one of those , I always wondered if its a gimmick or if it really works. I will try the decline bench version and I'll have to buy a bar cushion the gym I go to only has one ratty cushion that the squatters use.

  • @dariusharris7139
    @dariusharris7139 Před 2 dny

    Leg raises definitely do work idk what he talm bout

  • @marnix9779
    @marnix9779 Před 2 dny

    Yeah that doesn’t mean on the same set lmao just superset it, this is just stupid

  • @azncisg
    @azncisg Před 2 dny

    If a doctor says categorically, that you need to do one specific exercise to prevent lower back pain, that is a massive red flag. Low back pain can have a wide range of contributing factors such as stress and other psychological factors, poor load management, occupational factors, rheumatoid, cardiovascular or digestiv disease, variant features and abnormalities of the spine, muscular tension etc. Undertrained abs are likely not even ranking high on that list.

  • @Ninjadasian
    @Ninjadasian Před 2 dny

    I just tried the exercise on the bench and it freakin destroyed my lower abs like never before, thanks for this!

  • @marshareed1438
    @marshareed1438 Před 3 dny

    I love the puns!

  • @thomasmore1964
    @thomasmore1964 Před 3 dny

    If your only option is a straight bar do you use on overhand or underhand grip?

  • @semanavidi8694
    @semanavidi8694 Před 3 dny

    This is ooold news dude. Every athlete knows that going back decades.

  • @koof1776
    @koof1776 Před 4 dny

    Yeah I have a friend Chris, he has big arms, is over 6', but his calves resemble that of a 12-yr old girl~

  • @SystemsEngin33r
    @SystemsEngin33r Před 4 dny

    Except they do work the biceps from both ends, just not all in the concentric. Control the eccentric on the way up, as you should do anyway, and that’s the exact movement you’re doing with your curl raises. So they are both still right.

  • @abraham-cs2jk
    @abraham-cs2jk Před 4 dny

    Great video

  • @jhinko
    @jhinko Před 4 dny

    Back pain. Lower back injury creator. Yikes.

  • @FITFUSION384
    @FITFUSION384 Před 4 dny

    czcams.com/users/shortsJxuPOMPaa1E?si=DF6uCyvG3eVGaOkw

  • @marleneashten2052
    @marleneashten2052 Před 4 dny

    Promo_SM 😻

  • @thomasrichards646
    @thomasrichards646 Před 4 dny

    This video is brilliant

  • @larrycera9276
    @larrycera9276 Před 4 dny

    This same effect is had on the leg raise equipment that allow you to rest your elbows and have a rounded back rest rather than a flat. Many gyms have these now, where the back rest is a half sphere so that you can raise your pelvis around the rounded back stabilizer.

  • @davidmoreno4383
    @davidmoreno4383 Před 5 dny

    This is amazing.

  • @hugrynoodle
    @hugrynoodle Před 5 dny

    This helped lots I can feel the movement in my chest now but still some shoulder pain on the left side not nearly as bad tho

  • @stefanrayaustin
    @stefanrayaustin Před 5 dny

    Nice to know 100 what you are acc working on no i should be doing both types of dead life

  • @Kobayashhi
    @Kobayashhi Před 5 dny

    Why not use the band directly ?

  • @joshsingleton576
    @joshsingleton576 Před 5 dny

    Im seeing kind of a hex press motion here. I cant wait to try this one out 👍

  • @armaanansari2805
    @armaanansari2805 Před 5 dny

    "Repent" 😂😂😂😂

  • @tyreetyson1999
    @tyreetyson1999 Před 5 dny

    Really glad that you touched on how its actual possible to target/work more part(s) of a muscle than another with exercise selection and form variation. I also like how you included that type of hanging knee raise exercise at 2:09 for the lower abs. Definitely going to include it now into my ab routine 👍

  • @user-wv4im3ip8k
    @user-wv4im3ip8k Před 5 dny

    Get the ((Ab lounge))

  • @ourwilliam2405
    @ourwilliam2405 Před 5 dny

    Great video

  • @changedlife1904
    @changedlife1904 Před 6 dny

    😂😂😂

  • @sahenliyanage3688
    @sahenliyanage3688 Před 6 dny

    See docs can be super dumb sometimes

  • @developpement6992
    @developpement6992 Před 6 dny

    Thanks for the video. Is there some study showig if one of them is better responding to open/close kinetic chain exercice like it was for quadriceps?

  • @ogamk905
    @ogamk905 Před 6 dny

    Nice, training my lower abs by killing my lower back what is this bullshit, for real? You have ever seen an Bodybuilder / Fitness Model doing this to get lower Abs... bro come on.. you can litterally see how thats very bad for your lower back..

  • @pietrosigismondodelvalenti6371

    Dude, that bowl tilted left and right...

  • @timeTegus
    @timeTegus Před 7 dny

    still no part 2 and 3 ? :(

  • @rkapomares
    @rkapomares Před 7 dny

    What about the pelvic floor?

  • @MADNEWYORKER914
    @MADNEWYORKER914 Před 8 dny

    I swear, they take too long to get to the point!!!

  • @MarcusViniciusMO
    @MarcusViniciusMO Před 9 dny

    Thank you Dr Kamalu for the excelent video! I was looking for scientific information like this! One question: did the studies distinguish distal VML from VMO hypertrophy since they are at the same local? Did they take crosssection images?

  • @Dr.Caliber
    @Dr.Caliber Před 9 dny

    Name- Death of Pecks, Peck doomsday, Peck Heck, Break the peck😮

  • @Jerry16776
    @Jerry16776 Před 9 dny

    Funny thing..every gym I’ve ever been in has this thing called a Roman chair that does exactly this.. why fool around with this setup??? Stop making click bait.. you have lots of good info, don’t sell yourself short with cheesy titles…

  • @developpement6992
    @developpement6992 Před 10 dny

    For the 4th variation, what makes the difference compared to a double wide neutral grip or a double pronated grip?

  • @GManRan
    @GManRan Před 10 dny

    Thank you so much. Very informative...