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No enforcement by state regulators means companies will push the limits. If they get caught violating it’s a fine. Other states it’s criminal. This occurred in Portland, Oregon. Stay safe In Texas

He 100% couldn’t accept being defied.deescalation and disengagement were not options and I am not sure why. Absolutely about ego. This should have been referred to law enforcement and communicated with the client and leaseholder.

I believe Oregon law requires the possibility of parole after 25 years served during life sentences. He had completed the armed licensing course process, either was waiting for his license from the state or hadn’t submitted it. The issuance of the license wouldn’t have changed this. He was eligible. What’s alarming is he wasn’t the only person working without one for this out fit. This pattern suggests an accepted practice likely due to turnover and costs. In other states the fines alone for an officer working without a professional license would have put a small operator out of business….Before any civil action. A simple site inspection and asking the guard to present his Security and Armed license would have told a field operations supervisor he was not authorized to be there. It’s standard to check. I

Just to be clear this video was made two years ago with only Gimbel’s personal body camera and the Oregonian article to reference. I did not believe it was self-defense then, or now. The Nelson’s challenged his ego, not his safety. There is a big difference. His use of force was unlawful and unjustified. The Security provider should have addressed any concerns directly with Lowe’s after the Nelson’s said they had an agreement with leasee to take their property (pallets). Gimbel claimed Freddy assisted a person running from Security during a theft case else where on the property. Normally Security will do a stand by assist for leaseholders during loss prevention stops but I find it odd they would chase any suspects as the crime normally does not happen in the presence unless they are standing static / roving retail patrol, general liability concerns and safety for the suspect / officer. It’s not worth getting run over for a candy bar or 12 pack of beer. In this case Gimbel said it was some tools. This calls into question what the Security Officers mindset was, what they thought their job was. Also Normally landlords will contract Security services for the common areas, parking lots and external spaces….All internal leased spaces would be independent of the contract with the landlord, those business owners would contract their own security services to patrol and secure their own leased space. It’s important distinction especially if a trespass occurred, where would it apply.

I believe Oregon law requires a parole opportunity after 25 years with life sentences. He overstepped his authority, and refused to de escalate. I struggle to understand his mindset or why he felt he couldn’t disengage. His judgement was clouded and his actions were unlawful.

Yes, he was convicted and will serve a minimum of 25 years.

He was shot 3 times. Gimbel fired 4 times. I acknowledged the error when another poster pointed it out. The Nelsons confirmed how many hit Freddy after viewing my video, that was unclear in early news reports. I apologize for any confusion.

I still don’t understand why he thought he could not disengage. No risk to the property even with them refusing to leave. Call law enforcement. I don’t know what the lease agreement was for Lowe’s …if they were leasing the building or the building and parking lot. Was the security provider supposed to be monitoring the spaces in front of their building…Security for the common spaces usually does not cross over to the tenants leased spaces until a separate contract for service exists even if they have one for property management for common areas. He had an informal agreement with a Lowe’s employee, to take the pallets, he wasn’t a formal contractor / employee of the business. Any type of point of contact, formal agreement would have gone a long way. It’s crazy to me that the Security provider would not have reached out after even one interaction and being told he had an agreement to clarify if he was an authorized person. At this time they could have addressed any previous trespass or concerns they had. Gimbel said the vehicle was suspected to have been involved in a theft of tools from another business at the complex.

A little high…

Glad it was helpful!

Are you stating in general or in regards to the Nelsons? A Security Officer can make citizens arrests if a crime happens in their presence. How this is done differs in each state. Felony / Misdemeanor. The law affords the least amount of force necessary. Handcuffs can only be used to prevent escape or resistance. They also carry a huge amount of liability especially if you get it wrong. Mr Gimbals actions were inconsistent with the law. That being said a Security Officer stopping an armed bank robber and handcuffing him isn’t breaking the law.

Speaking generally and not in reference to this incident, in terms of Security going hands on....There are States allow reasonable, under the reasonable man doctrine, force to be used during a Citizens Arrest or Self Defense....Generally you can protect property, you personally witnessed the theft. That being said, is it worth getting in a fight over a 15 dollar case of beer? We are not talking taking Gold Bars from the Federal Reserve. General speaking, jury's are more understanding the bigger the threat is as well...IE Armed Robbery Suppression. Ext, it's also easier to justify your actions rather than over a pack of bubble gum. Liability and you are not protected under qualified immunity ( you can be personally sued for any action you take, even not take in some instances) . Even if ultimately lawful, you can be arrested. You will have to defend yourself in court. People loose sight of the big picture.

So true, a very sobering statement. Yet for some, killing a man doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

He literally refused to retreat, back off, call law enforcement. Even if someone is trespassing, you tell them to leave … are you creating a bigger problem for the client and your employer by continuing to engage? The Nelsons sitting in their vehicle challenged his ego, not his safety. There is a big difference. He had every opportunity to disengage. Stay safe.

@@UniversitySecurity True Dat 💯

​@@UniversitySecurityHe kept escalating. It's wild he thought that was appropriate.

We had milk cartons.

@@UniversitySecurity Nice!!

This was made almost 2 years ago. I knew how many shots were fired, we did not know how many struck Freddy. I had the media reports and the absolutely brutal to watch body camera footage.

@@UniversitySecurity it was 4

It's been confirmed by the Nelson family 3 rounds hit Freddy. 4 rounds were fired. If I said 3 it was a slip that I did not catch. It does not change the events, or the context of the video.

Observe and report

Arming Security Officer's has inherent risk to it. It brings a gun into play where there may not be one. A worst case scenario happened, a person lost their life where they shouldn't have over something incredibly minor. I don't think that can be disputed. I will add it typically takes a lot for clients to contract Armed Officers. The assets either have to be so high that it's not questioned or they have had a series of incidents that suggest that is the only option. I don't know how Gimbel's employer was contracted to the site. I do know from recent releases on CZcams the site had a history of drawing in unhoused individuals due to the can collection / redemption facility. Lowe's was only one of the businesses at the property.

He had a lot of opportunities to walk away. Call law enforcement. No one to my knowledge is disputing the history of negative interactions. Which I believe influenced and contributed to the illegal use of pepper spray and ultimately deadly force, his judgement was certainly clouded. People need to look at the tools on their belt as self defense items, not compliance. The Nelsons posed no danger to the guard sitting in their vehicle.

Sometimes I feel like talking in the background while in the car, if I could just do a voice over easily with a blank background I likely would. I have other uniformed content that shows me talking. Shaun at Security and Investigations Leadership channel started doing vlogging in the car as well...I got the inspiration from him. I guess I just want to get the content out there.

What was the research on?

The freezer was located in the center of Biochemical Solar Energy Research. It had cell cultures. I am going to guess bioengineering and photosynthesis.

How many disadvantages do they want to give themselves? You're already limited in magazine capacity, the side arm has to be on the roster....Go down the list.

Depends who you work for. Allied Universal is generally hands off, observe and report. The Guard in this case, likely approached the perpetrator and advised him to leave. Verbally telling someone to vacate the property and escorting them from the property are common duties for mall security. Telling someone they can’t sleep or camp in the mall, is a normal security duty not necessarily law enforcement which means the guard would have interacted with the perpetrator as a hands off or on officer. Going hands on, having the training and tools, would be after the threat and not simply for sleeping. Having typical mall security observe and report post orders would not have stopped this. Clearly the perp escalated this above a simple order to leave.

Yes. He should be recognized. I want to add his response was a trained one, the skills he demonstrated were pretty textbook for an explosive threat. The failures were allowing the active threat to get so close, out of the guards control in the moment.

Yeah, Dullof shot a man who had already hit him in the face and was assaulting him with bear spray. Lee Keltner effed around and found out.

Search and Seizure, Self Incrimination, Due Process....Deprivation of Life and Liberty all important topics. Since the short presentation wasn't meant to cover all topics, it's important to note Police Explorers are exposed to city, state and federal criminal process and rights / protections everyone has. Constitutional law is apart of that. Being teens, they are not training to be police officers, or other custodial staff positions. They are being given broad skills sets to decide what they want to do. Law Enforcement may not be for them. I know of several who became Fire Fighters, Funeral Services, Medical RN/ EMS, and Military....

The on-site supervisor made it much worse by blaming the victim of a crime on camera for responding. It does not sit well with the public.

@@UniversitySecurity That’s the “hero” situation I was also referring to.

Jail's in the United States are primarily pre-conviction / pre-trial confinement. The historic term of jailer does not encompass or convey the duties of a modern-day Jailer assigned deputy or Corrections Officer...Sworn or Non-Sworn Officers can be assigned to the facility. So where does that leave us? Prison Guards work post-conviction. Usually work around the same inmates for years. Inmates in jail are not convicted and come and go. So I am not sure I agree with your assumption or if it is easy to assign a title to the Officers that fulfill these roles. Rehabilitation isn't easy in a jail setting....GED programs usually exist but the inmates can come and go as I stated before finishing their programs. Not a heck of a lot of success. They do learn basic janitorial skills, maintenance / landscaping, and kitchen work. It's not much but some do try to use it as a job experience.

No, never worked prisons. Also TCJS does not cover TDC.

You wouldn’t believe how many have claimed I am lying about what is normal or typical. Most COs don’t want to get in a use of force over food, most don’t want to be taken advantage of either. A lot of things go into it…food means a lot in institutions where inmates don’t have a lot. Make sure all inmates get what they are supposed to have, don’t short the PC inmates…watch the trustees they could target PC inmates for a verity of reasons. Food / Tray pass needs to be taken seriously.

@@UniversitySecurity I once was pulled to pick trays up that I didn't pass out. I had no idea what was on the trays. I found out they had ketchup packs on the trays. When I got to the one cell the inmate was what i thought getting sick in the toilet. He was vomiting red stuff up. I stopped and went down to call medical to come up. He really had me fooled. He was laughing and calling me a fool. The other inmates attacked him because if there was someone getting sick for real, they didn't want me to think they were fooling me also. I wrote him up for disrupting normal business of the institution. He got another 15 days in the restrictive housing unit.

Sadly the licensing process would not have prevented this. He had completed the required class to get a license and nothing in his background would have prevented it from being issued. This came down to a key conceptional issues with what he thought his job was and is inability to disengage from a situation that was quickly going South. Some states require psychological screenings to be an Armed Officer…As far as I know this is not required in Oregon, this may have helped. Interviewers have to assess problem solving skills and anger management…Sometimes the need for officers clouds best judgement. I also I want add, I don’t believe he was trying to act like a law enforcement officer either. The deployment of OC was clearly out of annoyance, anger in my opinion (he was charged and convicted for unlawful force as well). He should have simply stepped aside and called law enforcement when they entered their vehicle. They were not an active threat to the property, client, or assets.

I am not sure.

Yes. It's still important. With the changes to the guard card course, this video and workbook are only electives for continuing education. BSIS has made it a point to replace it with active shooter education.

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X26 is a Single Shot. With XDPM Officers will carry an exta cartridge but it requires a reload. Even with the single shot, you can use it as a contact, drive stun, device if you miss for pain compliance.