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Leica M8 in 2024? A forgotten GEM of a camera?
The Leica M8 has gathered an almost cult following over the years, but is it really a good camera to use in 2024? In this video I look at the pro's and con's of using a nearly 20 year old CCD sensor camera.
📷 - Some of the accessories I use:
Wrist strap - amzn.to/3VRZS91
Thumb Grip - amzn.to/3RA2uph (check compatibility!)
Rubber Body Grip - from eBay - search 'Rubber Skidproof Hand Grip Holder For Leica M10 M8'
Soft Shutter Release Button - amzn.to/3VECWsi
Belroy Sling Bag - amzn.to/4cwSDsG
Chapters:
0:00 - 0:30 - Intro
0:31 - 053 - Disclaimer
0:54 - 1:16 - Brief History
1:17 - 3:01 - Build Quality and Accessories
3:02 - 4:09 - Standout Features
4:10 - 4:40 - A few Sample Images
4:41 - 6:03 - CCS Sensor
6:04 - 7:17 - Sensor Usability
7:18 - 8:19 - Sensor Limitations
8:20 - 9:14 - My feelings about the camera
9:15 - 11.07 - Is it any good in 2024?
11:08 - 11:48 - Outro
Blog Posts:
www.rossjukesphoto.co.uk/photographyblog/a-sunny-sunday-walk-with-the-leica-m8
www.rossjukesphoto.co.uk/photographyblog/leica-m8-my-first-impressions
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📷 - Some of the accessories I use:
Wrist strap - amzn.to/3VRZS91
Thumb Grip - amzn.to/3RA2uph (check compatibility!)
Rubber Body Grip - from eBay - search 'Rubber Skidproof Hand Grip Holder For Leica M10 M8'
Soft Shutter Release Button - amzn.to/3VECWsi
Belroy Sling Bag - amzn.to/4cwSDsG
Chapters:
0:00 - 0:30 - Intro
0:31 - 053 - Disclaimer
0:54 - 1:16 - Brief History
1:17 - 3:01 - Build Quality and Accessories
3:02 - 4:09 - Standout Features
4:10 - 4:40 - A few Sample Images
4:41 - 6:03 - CCS Sensor
6:04 - 7:17 - Sensor Usability
7:18 - 8:19 - Sensor Limitations
8:20 - 9:14 - My feelings about the camera
9:15 - 11.07 - Is it any good in 2024?
11:08 - 11:48 - Outro
Blog Posts:
www.rossjukesphoto.co.uk/photographyblog/a-sunny-sunday-walk-with-the-leica-m8
www.rossjukesphoto.co.uk/photographyblog/leica-m8-my-first-impressions
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The Kodak KAF10500 was not designed for Voigtlander and Zeiss. Try the M8 with older optics made by Leitz, preferably Summicrons or Elmarits.
Thank you for the info, will try (when I get chance)
If your M8 is still working, then enjoy it for what it is. Shutter problems and sensor problems aside it does produce interesting files. BTW, I recently read a report that was compiled by examining the repair records of the M8s sent to Leica with shutter problems. The average count before failure was about 7000 actuations. Some have survived into their thousands and some gave up the ghost as early as 5000. The M9 is not all that better. There was a reason Leica had a total redesign of the M240 and up.
Thank you, that's great insight on the shutter issues. I think most people would venture into these early digital Leicas with a bit of trepidation and I will certainly be looking into the details of the M240 -though I can't imagine I will be able to afford one any time soon. Thanks again for the info.
@@RossJukesPhotography With regards to M240, this camera was touted as the best value Leica M digital by all the usual armchair officionados not so long ago. Since then the prices have begun to shoot up. I check the availability of the Typ 246 Monochrom for a possible purchase, on weekly basis in all the usual places and online reputable retailers. They have gone up about 25% in the last six months or so for sure, and what is on offer is not of high quality.
Oh yes, man, big time and the GERMAN BRILLIANT ENGENERING, like a solid GROSSE GRANITE Stone.
Ha, love the enthusiasm! It's a great camera :)
The Leica M8 was my introduction to the Leica digital world after previously using the M2, M3 and M4 film bodies. Loved the camera and it convinced me to "splurge" on the Leica M9 (with replaced sensor) and also am M Monochrom. The 1/8000 shutter always worried me so i seldom shot beyond 1/4000 and mine escaped the dead pixel lines while in my care. Hopefully its new owner is as pleased with it as I was. BTW, the Bellroy 6L and 10L are my most used bags for Leica gear.
Thanks for the comment, love to hear you had a great experience with the M8 and so glad to find someone else with love for that Belroy sling, it ticks all the boxes! :)
What do you mean: GEM?
Precious, like a diamond :)
Exaxtly. Having and using two of them since its initiation: It os Timeless!
Well said :)
A 10MP CCD is exactly what people get excited about these days haha.
Ha, yeah actually that is true, got to love those nostalgic vibes! :)
M8 sensors don't have the corrosion problems that the M9/ME have. The M8 common failures as I understand it is shutter and screen, none of which can be repaired anymore, at least not by Leica. 😂😂😂😂
That's all true of a lot of older cameras as well though :)
@@RossJukesPhotography they are 35mm cameras designed not to fail work in any conditions these cameras go against the manifesto ✌️👍❤️
Unfortunately, you cannot rely on the Leica M8 camera. I'm not even talking about the faulty shutter, which broke after only 15,000 photos taken. I'm talking about the fact that currently almost every Leica M8 has sensor defects, in the form of lines of dead pixels. I wanted to buy a Leica M8 and I checked over a dozen of them, even those that had only a few thousand photos taken (they looked like new). They all had lines of dead pixels on the sensor. Someone will say, but these are very old cameras. I have a lot of old digital cameras, older than the Leica M8, cheap and amateurish and they all work mechanically and electronically perfectly. Check out your Leica M8, you may be very surprised :). Just take a photo with these parameters: ISO 2500, 1/125, lens covered with a cap, take a photo and then brighten the photo in LR by 2 EV. Good luck.
Wow, thank you for the info. I have checked following your instruction and you are absolutely right, there is a weird line/artifacting in part of the sensor. I have had one or two images (one shown in my blog post) where I have had some strange results but did, as you say, put it down to the age of the camera. However, I have always been very pleased with the quality of the images in 'normal' conditions and just assumed everything was OK. This is a bit of an eye-opener and I will pin the comment for other people to read. Thanks for the info.
@@RossJukesPhotography The only comforting thing is that these lines of dead pixels are invisible at ISO160.
There is no more issues with the 10 megapixels low resolution cameras with printing anymore with ai upscaling like lightrooms enhance ai mode or Topaz Gigapixel AI program and even more current ai uprezing , its pretty badass !
That's a great point, this is something that I have wanted to explore a bit more as it seems to be breathing new life into old, forgotten cameras! Which can only be a good thing!
Nice one. Amazing still alive and kicking in 2024, from launch in 2006. Can think of no other digital camera with such a track record. Goes to illustrate that pixel count doesn’t really matter. Like your presentation and enthusiasm. Love my M240P but still tempted to get an M8.
Thank you for the comment and the kind words. There is definitely a lot of life still left in the M8 (as long as you find a good one!) and although I do really like the output of the Foveon sensors, this CCD sensor has such an amazing feel to it that it's very difficult to ignore! Thanks again :)
Keep away from it. There is nothing the M8 a properly working could do that the M240 couldn't. M240 is in another league to both the M8 and M9. These cameras were stepping stones for Leica to find her feet in the digital world. They have had their time, so let them rest in peace.
Very good. I agree: I wish that the LEICA M engeneurs have added or kept the traditional forwarding lever feature as in the LEICA DMR/R8, R9/ and the EPSON RD1. It also keeps and saves the battery energy, not to mention it keeps the classical design.
It would feel so natural to use, such a shame they never went that way but still a lovely camera!
Got my M9 back in 2015 for a decent price used at Leica store NYC and it is still my favorite all around camera with the best color depth and sharpness of nearly any digital camera I’ve used aside from an old school 6mp digital back I used in photo school which had incredible color. My M9 is worth more now then when I bought it! Hah Lol Enjoy the M8, never used one but have only heard great thing about it.
Thanks for the comment, I would love to buy an M9 but a little out of my price range and doesn't look like they are coming down any time soon! Take good care of it :)
no it was crap.
Each to their own :)
I liked not because I agree but, because the comment was funny as hell
@fredericc9676 🤔🤫🤡
Thanks for the great video. Just ordered mine today. I’m trying to find a 43mm IR cut filter - any suggestions where to get one?
That's great news, would love to know what you think of it! I can't remember where i got my filter but I would imagine eBay or MPB would be your best bet, certainly something on the used market :)
Just picked one up this week!
Fantastic, hope you're enjoying it!
¿Es posible actualizar el sensor de la M8, por un sensor de M11 u otro sensor?
Thanks for the question, the M8 is an APS-H sensor and I assume the M11 is full frame so I can't imagine it would work and to be honest, the M11 body would be a much better and more advance body anyway :)
I think most folks used to modern digital cameras would be frustrated by the limitations of the M8. There are so many better cameras these days.
You're absolutely right, many, many better cameras but if you can put up with it's quirks, it can be a very rewarding camera to use!
I still love my M8.2 despite its limitations. Made my day when getting good b&w images with my vintage 135 mm Tele-Elmar f/4 lens.
Sounds great Wilfred, I'm yet to shoot the M8 with the intention of B&W but heard good things about the images it can produce :)
@@RossJukesPhotography I typically get color on RAW and B&W on JPEG for my shots. Yes, its b&w performance is very good.
The crop factor was a bit of a killer for me. Also the rear screen was mottling and it just felt like the camera could fail on me at any point.
Both valid points Chris. I would love to try the full frame M9 but a bit too scared of the issues that particular camera has. I certainly agree that you live in fear of the camera just breaking one day! I've not heard about mottling issues with the screen before (new fear unlocked!) but it's a pretty bad screen to start of with so I don't tend to use it anyway! Thanks for the comment :)
Think they call it coffee stains… and leica has no more replacements
@@Jdmeco Oh, thanks for the info!
Yoooowww! Same setup here! Rockin the M8 x Voigt Ultron 28mm! Superb outputs with the CCD sensor!
It's amazing isn't it, lot to be said about that lens as well, great setup :)
I have one. I’ll never sell it
Glad to hear it :)
I've had my M8 for a number of years and I would still buy it again today. Despite the few issues, i still think it's an amazing camera. I have over 16k shutter clicks and it's still going strong. I've shot professional work with know problem and managed to print 16x20 images and the sharpness holds up just fine. I think sometimes the M8 get's a bad rap, but maybe it's not the camera but the person using it (lol) Thank you for sharing, great images. I enjoy seeing other M8 shooter who appreciates this amazing camera. Take care.
Thank you for the comment. That certainly sounds like you get the most from your camera which is great to hear. It's a fantastic camera and as i say in the video, I can't imagine I would ever sell it! Thanks again :)
Had the M9, and I adored the camera. Eventually moved it on due to shutter failed and I miss it so so much. I’ve been eyeing up the M8 as a replacement. I don’t need full frame etc and I’ve kept back the Voigtlander Nokton 35/14 which would make a perfect match. I had the same grip idea on my M9 and it was fantastic. Not intrusive and very comfortable. Contrary to opinion, the M9 was very good at 1600 iso and I used mine often in gig settings. The key is to get exposure correct. The files are not as robust for heavy editing. I have a few M9 videos uploaded btw.
Thanks for the comment. If I could afford it, I would pick an M9 up and give it a go, I'd love to know how it compares to the M8. However, I'm perfectly happy with the M8 for the time being. I will certainly be checking your videos out, thank you :)
It’s been a while!
Ha, thank @Nayson it has, I hope you're good :)
Would you buy an M8 in 2024?
I wish had never sold mine. It’s definitely one of the best cameras I’ve ever used, and I’ve never been able to replicate the look it has; even with other CCD cameras. I’d totally buy one again if the prices ever came back down haha. Several years ago it was pretty reasonably priced for its age. I don’t think it really hit its cult status until a few years ago; at least the prices started climbing across the board. Got mine originally for $800. Now you’d be lucky to find a busted up one under $2000, and they’re just getting older and more prone to mechanical failure.
@@TheJ_G Yeah it's a real shame that the prices go that way but you've hit the nail on the head, the more scarce they get, they're only gonna go up in price!
I would love your advice! I have been using SpyderX to calibrate my MacBook Pro. However, when I compare the results to the BenQ monitor, they are inaccurate. The Macbook screen has much more contrast, so I can't predict my print outcomes. Is there a way to overcome this issue?
Hi, it's quite difficult as technically, they are different screens. However, the Spyder has a feature to help you match monitors (I think it's called studio mode or something, may be worth a Google!) and that is intended to help you pair monitors - but again, I think the assumption is they are the same brand/model. Other than that, I would literally 'eyeball' it and get it as close as you can that way, or at least something you know is comfortable for you. Other than that, search for some forums/Reddit, there will be plenty of advice out there. Good Luck!
i have it its the best! but only to outdoors, trips
So your whoring for freebies ! The car gave it away , yes the bag stands up rearange the raincover (in the base) genius .
Actually its not , i have 5 lowepros , 600 trekker 2 pro tactics 200trekker ,,, etc etc, i grew out of lowepro 450,, nowhere for 140mm filter kit , the temba axis 32 /24 do , plus other gear in very similar package , so [[ is it the best ]] not if you use pro filters , theres nowhere for them , plus lowepro padding is a bit poor in comparison to tembas , iv used my spare temba particians in my lowepro to stiffen it up , (the lowepro stands up if you rearange the rain cover in the base ) cant believe how dumb people are after so called owning them ! And not doing a 5 minute review
You’re commenting on a 5 year old review, do you think things might have moved on a bit? And actually, it’s still a great bag
Very nice photos!
Thank you, very kind of you
Still in 2023
Yes, it's still a great bag!
Did you try this lens with the Lee filters circular polarizer ?
Stumbled across your video today, enjoyable watch. It did make me wish I had bulk bought film 2 years ago as you'd be lucky to get one roll of Ultramax for £12 these days 😊
Ummm how to??????
Great info. Just purchased one and can’t wait to shoot with it!
Think you’ve convinced me to go with this bag - many thanks
That's great Thomas, I still use mine on a daily basis and it's fantastic, hope you enjoy it!
Hoping it might fit under seat in front of me on airline🙏
few, repeated, informations in a too long time.
when i use the connection cable, the external monitor doesn't show up, i'm using a sony a6400, can u help me?
Hi, I can't say for certain as it's a different camera than I use. However, I'm assuming the cable from the gimbal to the camera is USB - are you then linking a HDMI cable between the camera and the monitor?
@@RossJukesPhotography yes, I connected the feelworld F6 camera and monitor with an HDMI cable, and if I connect the gimbal cable to the camera then the monitor has no image, otherwise if I don't connect the gimbal cable to the camera, the external monitor works fine
@@oztivi Hi, so the cable between the gimbal and the camera only controls the record function - it allows you to click the record button on the gimbal, rather than having to try to press the record button on the camera. If you can link a HDMI between the camera and the monitor, that should show you the feed from the camera. If you don't see an image between the monitor and the camera over HDMI, you may need to check HDMI settings on the camera :)
Thanks, and a very honest review, spot on!
Thanks for the feedback :)
How much of this setup could also be used on a C70? I currently have the EOSR but plan to eventually change to the c70 and don’t want to have to sell it all with the change
In one way or another, most of it. As long as you get a decent cage for the C70, you'll be able to add rails/top handle and from there, you can add whatever you need. However, the C70 will have a lot of benefits over the 'R' so you may not need to add an external monitor etc. - The beauty of these setups is being versatile and only adding what you need for specific jobs :) Good luck!
Nice to see someone else using the EOS 30 and liking it. I bought one yesterday on EBay. I was just looking for an excuse to get back into film, but also to be able to use all the nice Zeiss and Voigtlander EF-fit lenses I'd been accumulating with the 5D Mk.II . I'll be shooting B&W and some IR with the Rollei stock. It seems like the EOS 30 ticks a lot of the boxes of the EOS 1V , but is lighter and a LOT cheaper.
I find, that shooting with an "older" Fujifilm like the XT-1 or XT-2 gives me the look and feel of film right out of the camera. Tweak the film simulations a bit or create your own recipe and Bob´s your uncle. Fujifilm is film look in the digital age.
fine video, i shoot film since 1987.. and digital since 2005...the last years i changed my portrait-work to analog because of the crazy sharpness of todays cameras and lenses...i do not want to see every pore in the faces, that`s not eastheticly pleasing..sharp like 6x6 film is enough....same thoughts as you have.. greets bm
What is the difference between PRO and ELITE? tks
did you end up buying one? its on sale now on amazon
Can someone please measure the laptop compartment depth? I have 15.6" laptop (38cm wide) so it exceeds the "nominal" dimensions stated by Lowepro and I'm not sure whether it will fit. Thanks
Hi, I've just done a very quick measurement and the laptop compartment *seems* to be 38cm deep (so the width of the laptop) - HOWEVER - that is right against the zipper and even though there may be a little stretch, I can not say for sure whether you're laptop would fit. I would suggest checking your return options before purchasing :)
@@RossJukesPhotography thanks so much for quick reply!
$260? You must be delirious.
I have the Canon R5. The Samyang RF 85mm F 1.4 is no longer available thanks to Canon's crackdown on 3rd party manufacturers of RF lenses for Canon RF cameras. Canon at this point when it comes to RF cameras is turning into a real A-Hole. They want consumers to buy Canon overpriced RF lenses denying 3rd parties like Samyang & Sigma for their more affordable RF lenses. FU Canon.
Watching this in 2022 after buying x100f
Excellent video. I’d say a mini matte box would finish it off perfectly, but nonetheless the rig looks amazing👌