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I may not have explained that well... but the biggest a room can be is 1200 frames worth of block space. If it gets bigger than that, the room will become "World", which means it will be subject to the normal world conditions like storms and atmospheric composition (-140C oxygen).

True, but it also depends on the planet as well. Some planets will have different values or stock and that could mess up spreadsheet math. I'm sure a more economy minded person would be able to do all the math and say for a fact that you should always "buy x, convert it to y, sell y and you make z% profit". I did make the video because I know sometimes it is easier to see prices when you can see a long list of stock for different traders and make spreadsheets out of them... at some point I figure anyone would get tired of looking at tradables.xml to see exact pricing.

@@shadowdrake082 thanks for mentioning tradables.xml

aww crap. It is not. Ore traders have a different hash and should be -1374574351. I'll have to go back and correct this and reupload. Thanks for pointing this out.

Odd, I will need to test it on my end because It has been a while since I have mined in that save. Once I got the rocketry and the deep miners going.

I did forget about that. That is true how we need to be at the destination or have a site set as that destination to see data about the site. It would be helpful to have the interface show us right off the bat.

For any mining backpack you have to actually equip it. Ores and ices mined will go to your equipped mining backpack, then an equipped mining belt, and if none are found or space isn't available, it will just drop them on the ground.

@@shadowdrake082 thx. some weeks ago i already tried it, but only with ore from the ground, and it didn't worked. I will try it again with unmined ores

Thats the part I'm wondering about too. Right now I'm operating under the assumption that I will push locations into the rockets as I see them. Something like if I tell scanner to go to a main site and then scan all the subsites... i can then go back and review those sites and push certain sites to a particular mining rocket so that it has a database of the sites I want it to go mine at. While I'm there I could delete junk nodes or nodes I dont want and later resend the scanner rocket back to it. One problem I have with site deletion is the game sometimes rearranges locations, which may cause me problems. I think from running some offline tests, the chips do almost exactly what I want when they work together after a few bug fixes. This will at least push me to complete the third floor's trade and rocket center, that way I can make an actual ground control to give me statuses on each chip, cargo, and other essentials on each rocket so that I have a much better and refined control of the rockets.

I was intending on using those with a chip at the ground for submitting a location to the rockets. I think the addition of clr would help in fixing issues with that but it is definitely on my list. I appreciate that info... I'm still trying to hash out the interconnection between these 4 chips and the 2 I plan to have outside for controlling the rockets. I see some errors I will run into the previous 2 I made and have been trying to get a better flow chart set up for myself so that I know what I should program.

Hopefully it doesnt get changed too much, but it is the most accurate to be able to more easily pin down the trader, even with gradual movements. There is some noise, but not so much that you cant get a definite reading for how exactly to move in it.

Yea, the Medium dish threw me for a big loop when I was trying to reverse engineer what happens behind the scenes. Things just didnt make sense why it was such a big change. I think basically you got how to do it, which is nice, I just like to try to explain the underlying math behind it to explain why what I'm attempting to do works. But pretty much getting the Vertical angle from a 0 Degree Vertical (Currently Horizontal doesnt matter if Vertical is 0) gets huge. The only reason I have the 4 Cardinal Direction Large Dishes are for figuring out where the trader lies on the horizontal. Even using the games extremely rough and noisy signals can get you close, but I really wanted to try to get it more exact. If I were to use the game's signal deviations, I may add a second Large Dish pointed at 0 degrees or make my whole array point at 0 degrees and average them out to get an almost "True" Vertical and then move the cardinal dishes out to that position. I need to do more tests because I thought I recall a dev mention that the signal noise adds up to 20% deviation noise but didnt say anything about subtracting that amount.

I think the next video has a triangulation system, plus some extra logic to get more exact angles. But if you position a dish up at 0 degree vertical, you pretty much are going to get the vertical angle, then two dishes somewhere in the horizontal should hopefully be able to better tell you where in the horizontal you may need to move. It should work with at least getting you close and you can further fine tune the signal on your own or have a script take over with gradual movements until you get 100% power contact received / transmitted.

The odd thing is i could not get the waypoint to cycle to a different pad. Im trying to do anything i can to see if i can choose a pad to land to with any number of those… but unfortunately they seemed locked to the 9x9. I will have to take some time to mess with it some more to try to get it to change and document what needed to happen. Not gonna lie, i mischievously wanted to see if i could get them to fly from opposite directions and see if they could crash mid runway, but my hopes were dashed xD

I havent tested the occupancy sensor, i probably should cause now im wondering if chickens count as well. The activate logic value on the landing pad data and power kit. Pressing the button or activate = 1 will tell a trader holding to resume on a waypoint or to leave the landing pad. I did wonder how to expand the pad… but i havent really tested it well so i do need to do a follow up first making it look better. I think i saw different people have issues when they used landing pad basics + runway’s together but i havent personally looked into the details. Plus i was also curious if the main runway needed to be inline with the centrepiece or not, i just realized i never checked that.

@@shadowdrake082 chickens won’t trigger the occupancy, It might be players only. However an idea…motion sensor?

@@charlesheath7571 possibly? the awkward part would be that it would be really hard to not catch anything else since it would need a very very long triggering range. Trader pads do have a mode where they tell you if a trader is moving, holding, on the pad, or no trader is there.

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I got the pad stuff out soon, had to make sure I had all the chapters in. I have noticed that potentially the liquid input pumps pump in pressurant gases yet the output will only pull liquids. I need to do a better test than water to confirm but it seems like the gas pump output takes only gases but the input can push in liquids as well. Buying just the liquids from the trader seems to keep everything as liquids so it might have something to do with pump behaviour.

True... I do remember feeling ripped off that they sell you the welding torch, but welding fuel canister sold separately. I think I also had the same mindset that the fire extinguisher may be the same.

Those have been disabled for a while… the only way currently to try the tutorials out are to do the beta branch for a pre phase change build and that will allow you to start them. Should be able to open up the settings for the game, opt into a beta, then select a prephase change build. It was leftover for the tutorial and for people who had a big base to attempt to fix it before jumping back to the main branch. Looking at the discord, it seems like they might be doing something about fixing the tutorials, but I cant say that is the next thing on their plate. Many users on the community have attempted to make getting started or tutorial videos to fill the void, but understandably it is a hard void to fill for onboarding someone new.

I would love being able to launch a satellite and having it configured to do something like another trade slot or to give approximate data like maybe do a type of triangulation for a dish and give maybe 1 piece of data for a trader location. Like if it gives any of the xyz coordinate for its vector that we can then use to start trying to figure out how to properly align a dish to a trader. Even if it takes it about 1 minute or 2 to give you a piece of information. Knowing for example the Y value would mean you can more easily know the vertical value so that you at least know to have your dish be at that vertical and potentially sweep for the horizontal value. Or even roll a trade slot that could be called down. I think I may need to start getting the 3rd floor somewhat spaced out so that I can move and start actually putting chips down for properly controlling the umbilicals as well as the rocket cargo and stuff. As I get closer to automating it, I'm seeing the need to get the ground control setup so that I dont have to rip it all apart and set the thing up again.

@@shadowdrake082 besides the obvious to check for ,power fuel etc, some things you might want to check for before launching: drill head condition avg and density of destination. Density =0 means mined out, and density 1 gave about 160 stacks of ice. The error code from the umbilicals don’t seem to help with the coding either

spiteful little demons ate all your food to kill you all xD Since I did this before I realized how much they ate... I'm pretty sure I wouldnt have been able to keep that 1 chicken fed either.

It was recorded last week, when that happened. Which is why at about 45 minutes in I'm better. But unfortunately I cant help it much... once it is daytime, I guess my Cicadian rhythm or other biological health stuff just keeps me awake until it is dark outside. Very annoying but my sleep schedule being thrown off can mess with me pretty bad. To answer your question. When you do branch instructions that end in -al, (bltal, beqal, etc.) it stores the line number the branch started into the ra register (which I think is possibly used as r15, could be a hidden r16). At the end of that branch routine you would need to put in a condition for "j ra" so that the program will return back to line after the branch instruction and resume from there. Useful for making an interrupt or small program routine that executes something repeatedly if you can properly initialize it.

I did use it…. But…. I was saddened that we cant logically change it. But i have used it

@@shadowdrake082 I just noticed reentry alt is the alt the computer STARTS at! It set the height of the atmosphere.

@@charlesheath7571 Yup. it was a curveball... I got it in the next part but I got a way to use it in combination with Progress to get the height. Still kind of miffed we cant change it. I would have liked to autocalculate which height to begin at for a landing descent to let it be automatic.

Yea... I was debating on having a system for writing the locations to the dedicated miners in particular so I can control what it mines and where. That was my thought at least. I do need to get some more chips added before I get that far though... Currently working on the autolanding one and ran into a snafu thinking I could set the reentry height so I could automate landing no matter what conditions and have successful landings but alas... I cant change that via logic.

@@shadowdrake082 check FlightControlRule, ReEnrtyAltitude Mass and TrustToWeight there must be a formula where you can calculate that if your kN wt is = x and distance =y it takes z kN thrust to stop

@@shadowdrake082 check flightcontrolrule reentryaltitude mass and thrusttomass, there must be a formula where if I’m x kN mass and y distance it takes z kNthrust to stop Edit, my automatic miner script is nearly perfect, u want it?

Its all good, i do like to go through the automation programming as an experience to see if i can get things working well or at least better learn how something works or doesnt work how i expected it to.

For vaccuum worlds, if you will leave piping and stuff outside, insulated piping and tanks. But it does apply to any world (except mars because mars is close to room temps). If you choose to store with normal tanks and pipes, i would recommend enclosing them and making sure their environment is the temperature you want. But there are some niche cases like if you want to store liquid nitrogen in Europa, you could have its tank and pipes be uninsulated outside but insulate them if you will use them inside.

I did think i got this far since i got a setup for discovery and survey… but i think i need to expand on this to do the location check. Cause currently i set the housing to 1 to do scanning commands and 0 to turn off scanners. I think a part of this i want to add to a kind of automation control that would handle the landing as well as moving to a destination and potentially set the scanning or mining chips (tbd later).

@@shadowdrake082 I sent some info to ur DM on disc

I appreciate the feedback, I do want to redo the experiments since I had more exposure to the system. I think I had some structure in what I wanted to show but confused myself because I did some things out of the order i intended. But I do want to keep the latent heat energy with both phase changes and later show how the liquid pumps work because they are a little more confusing as to when they pump pressurant gases and when they dont.

Agreed, not the best design but something i kind of came up with in an attempt to see one way to separate liquids without just pushing them through a filtration loop that may not like how much liquids there are

I think i have that theory crafted, i figure i need to get an autolander script so that i can trigger a “go home” command and then i got to figure out how to do a kind of stack instruction set for the miners to go here, mine, on depleted or cargo full, go to the next place, and repeat. I almost want to do that on a test save but i think i want to get into the weeds coding that because maybe it might be helpful to see where i go wrong with my methodology.

@@shadowdrake082 well to help ya with that code (i dont understand how the stack works) heres an idea: push 20##### (location code) push 21##### (location code etc push 28##### they go from prefix 20-28, even if you delete and rediscover em stack pointer stuff peed/pop (idk) s avoincs DestinationCode r10 (whatever comes from the stack) l r0 avionics Richness l r1 avionics Size l r2 avionics Density set your "acceptable" limits based on above then go into the auto mine and return script if a place not scanned it will give a -1 code for Richness. Size or Density. so with that info you can do a similar script for a scanner rocket to auto go and scan if there's a place that you have deleted and rediscovered

Looking back, I should have. I remember being absolutely frustrated that the one thing I forgot to add to the code to make it work was literally a simple "j end" so I had to take a break to recompose myself. I messed with so many parts of it that I swear I rewrote the whole thing and then I stumbled upon it. It probably wouldnt have been too bad to recover from... probably would just need to rebuild that rocket's fuel piping. Still I'm surprised liquid fuel mix just combusts like that.

I definitely want to do that. I'm trying to think about how I'm going to que locations though since I do want to potentially have it mine a few spots before returning. But I suppose I need to actually make my own landing script too so that they can land if they need to refuel or cargo bays are full.

@@shadowdrake082 what I did was use the CurrentCode and DestinationCode from the avionics Current is where you are. Location code is like **00-00-00-40-16 (my home launch mount on mars) is written in the code as 4016 and these logic commands are read/writeable. If u want I can reply with the code

Sure, i may need an example for the codes, i lt looks like there is a long code and a short code displayed. I havent started figuring that out yet but it would save time if i knew how it reads and writes these codes.

@@shadowdrake082 alias avi d0 (Rocket avionics) alias gonogoic d1 (this is coming from another IC that controls my umbilicals and gives a go/nogo check for fuel power cargo retracted etc) alias eng d2 alias miner d3 alias storage d4 alias lever d5 alias home r10 move home 4016 (this is my rocket mount location on the map) alias mineloc r11 (where 2 go) move mineloc 24020116 (this is a gas cloud near phobos) alias where2 r12 alias whereat r13 alias go r15 start: yield s eng On 0 l r0 lever Setting l r1 lever Setting not r1 r1 l go gonogo Setting and go go r1 s avi DestinationCode mineloc beq go 1 launch j start launch: s eng On go l whereat avi CurrentCode beq r0 1 comehome beq whereat mineloc mine j launch mine: s eng On 0 s miner On 1 s avi Mode 2 (mode 1=idle 2 mine), i think, not 100% 3 chart 4 discover 5 Survey l r2 storage Quantity seq r2 r2 100 beq r0 1 comehome beq r2 1 comehome j mine comehome: s avi DestinationCode home s miner On 0 s eng On 1 seq r3 home whereat beq r3 1 start j comehome it will stay in ea loop start, launch, mine, comehome until a trigger to have it jump into another. the lever is used for 1 a way to break the cycle and 2 be used a recall command. im not as good as u at programing. but it does work and ofc you will need 2 tweek it for the rockets you have. this is designed for a single miner and 1 med cargo storage

Aww man, thats an interesting change for it. thinking about it. So that would mean medical pills for healing? I'd be interested to see how that goes. Gives me more incentive to get out a medical room now. Do sleepers pause hunger and thirst completely? I thought they did but cryo's were better because they also healed the inhabitant.

@@shadowdrake082 sleepers do pause hunger/water. And yes cyros are better for healing. Tbh it does make sense

@@charlesheath7571 I wonder how they will be balanced for that then. Would we need the freezing temperatures to heal or will it be strictly to revive? Currently I get they are way too useful in pausing food, thirst, and healing all at the same time for room temperatures.

@@shadowdrake082 ur right atm they r too useful. I just recommend y’all start placing yourselves in sleepers soon. Who knows when the update that will change that happens

Right? Im pretty sure i cant feed that many… and some will still starve themselves even if i could.

I think i have an idea what you are talking about, but i may need to see an example of it. The step structure was one that i am most familiar with when i need a sequence of complex tasks done but i know it can be inefficient in terms of lines of code used.

@@shadowdrake082 let me take a look at the code syntax and I'll try and give an example heh.

@@shadowdrake082 okay so from what I can tell this is very similar to assembly language. So here's a quick and dirty example. loop: beq a b action1: j loop: action1: <Do something> j loop: This essentially will loop through the command loop and check if a is equal to b if it is jump to action1 label and do something then jump back to the command loop. You can expand on this structure pretty easily I'd recommend keeping the actions simple so you return to the command loop quickly. Hope this helps with future coding things. I realized after posting that this video is not the latest in the series.

Just to add to this. Thanks to you and splitsie I've dived into this game and oh boy I am enjoying building systems I am very much a noob. Also I'd recommend looking into the the IC10 commands with the suffix -al this allows you to create "functions" by storing the line that performs the jump/branch in the "ra" register allowing you to use a j ra to get back to the spot that called the function. The structure: Loop: beqal a b Function sleep 1 j Loop Function: #Do something j ra

@@TheXkyneticx Those are incredibly helpful. it may be my actual job duties that biases me to go into a step structure for the complex tasks, but I do need to use them some more. I use them sometimes, but half the time I structure the logic in stages where I dont want other actions to occur unless it is at that step. Usually I would need to use the -al instructions if I need to repeat a task and return. I do need to incorporate them more.