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I live in Britain and we are without doubt at the selfishness and apathy stage and heading towards the dependence stage.

Narcissists die by suicide, no?

Christ and the cross!

Brilliant! You may find my book, "Rise and Fall: A Discourse Upon the Phenomena of Civilization and Decline", of value in this regard.

The oligarchs have a mental illness. They are similar to the selfish child, who wants all the candy. They want their candy, and the candy of all the children around them. The World is in the middle of class warfare. The working class, has not yet figured this out. They still believe these governments are just too incompetent.

The percentage of the population and percentage of production of elites would impact this. Someone could be become dependent if the society does not produce enough optimism or opportunities for the whole or average citizen. Resources and how they are divided more than mindset of the citizens. Or resources influencing mindset

I guess Tytler didn't anticipate that the "voters" would become "money" (eg., corporations are people) and those with money would see to it that they receive all the largesse - that, despite not paying as much into the treasury as those who don't have money. A little simplistic to say that late 20th century American "wealth" was due to collapse of USSR and US geopolitical position. What about manufacturing and labor collapsing due to US business moving to low-labor-cost countries?

Great just great, I fear that with people worldwide now having enough children to replace themselves and our universities indoctrinating the youth, we are headed for a new dark age. Add to this, in spite of what we are being told, indications are the Earth may be going into a cooling phase. This may have helped end the Bronze Age and coincided with the fall of the Roman Empire. Hope Elon Musk can get an independent colony on Mars before it happens, but I’m not optimistic. Good luck.

I would love it if you posted your sources. Many thanks ahead of time.

😂😂😂❤😊😊😊 "MORAL DECAY" YOU SAID THE MAGIC WORDS SIR. AS WRITTEN "THE WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH" SO SINFULNESS IS THE CULPRIT, & SINFULNESS IS FROM TOP TO BOTTOM OF SOCIETY. TOYNBEE CALLS "THE CREATIVE MINORITY" AS THE ONES WHO LEAD THE IDEAS TO FACE THE CHALLENGES, WELL, WE CAN SAY THATS LEADERSHIP NOWADAYS! OR THE TYPICAL RULING CLASS. SO THE IDEA OF DEMOCRACY AS FREEDOM ISN'T THAT TRUE AS THERE IS STILL THE "LEADERSHIP THAT RULES" THOSE ON TOP! WHAT THE CHARACTERS OF THOSE IN LEADERSHIP OR THE "TOP" DECIDE & DO IS THE ONE THAT SHAPES HUMAN CIVILIZATION. HOW THEY THINK CAN MAKE OR BREAK. THE BREAKING MAY COME FAST OR SLOW.... AS ONLY GOD KNOWS. IN OUR MODERN WORLD TODAY, THINGS CAN BE SO FAST THROUGH TECHNOLOGY & YET, THE EDUCATION OF THE HUMAN MIND CAN STILL BE SO SLOW LOL! OLD WAYS, BAD HABITS, PRIDE & PREJUDICE REMAIN. REAL CHANGE THAT SHOULD & ONLY COMES FROM WITHIN IS STILL SO ULUSIVE. THE HUMAN MIND WOULD RATHER LOOK FOR ANSWERS IN A BOOK WRITTEN BY SOMEONE, EVEN IF THAT BOOK WAS WRITTEN AT ANOTHER TIME & PAST RELEVANCY. YES, THERE CAN BE SIMILARITIES AS HUMAN BEINGS ARE STILL THE SAME, THE WORLD IS STILL FILLED WITH IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS. MAY GODLY WISDOM LIGHT & GUIDE.

USA is 200 years old and looks like selfishness stage.

Rising crime is cited as an example of our apathy stage. Except crime is falling. The FEAR of crime is rising.

Social security is not an entitlement. I pay into that . Just like unemployment insurance.

I'm watching it in real life 😢

It took hundreds of years for our civilization to emerge from bondage to liberty. In contrast, the bad half of the cycle is taking place within single lifetimes. The question is: will we then move on just as rapidly or will we become mired once again in a long state of bondage?

This presentation is just what I need to continue to form my opinion of what is going on with our country and culture. Thank you!

Another nonsense Toynbee video, purporting to draw from history to make a political point (nearly always a right wing one). There is supposedly a lack of "great men" to lead the "masses". It is BS, civilizations don't "die from suicide" or decadence or boredom or "inequality" or barbarians. If you want a solid, well researched, but *_apolitical_* analysis of how and why complex civilizations collapse, read Joseph Tainter. His argument is brilliant. There are any number of proximate causes to the end of a particular civilization, be external such as barbarian invasions, climate change, internal strife, whatever, but the overall trend seen almost everywhere is that civilizations become more complex as the grow and age. Every time a problem is encountered a solution is needed and that solution always adds complexity. That complexity has an energy cost and when the marginal increase in complexity exceeds the benefit for a given civilzation, then that civilization is spending its capital and becoming weaker. Eventually the civilization becomes so weak that the next crisis is fatal, whatever it is.

I'm not sure I agree with this theory. The Roman Empire (after Caesar) was quite authoritarian compared to the republic yet early on it was powerful and prosperous. Tytler was likely biased from the spirit of his time. I much prefer Glubb's or even Spengler's cyclic theory.

I would say one later example of a warrior bishop well past the middle ages was Cardinal Richelieu.

He would not be wrong with the idiots claiming rights to rule in the US and parts of Europe. Introspection would be a step forward.

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How? Massive inequity in the distribution of wealth, political corruption, failing checks and balances, declining education amongst the working and middle class, and then the rise of a charismatic wannabe dictator ... in other words, the USA circa right now.

“No great nation has been conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within”-Durant

Every system can be hacked by the determined using the same systems designed to protect. We are at that point.

its the purchasing power of the dollar manipulated to go down...thomas jefferson said if we let bankers manipulate our currency our great grand children will wake up homeless on the continent their forefathers founded. another thing is the stupid property tax which you will have to pay. example grandfather buys house in 1965 for $18,000 dollars, ends up paying mortgae for 30 years where he pays over 100,000$ dollars. plus taxes every year on top of all that. after mortage is paid off in 1996, still has to pay between $2000-$5000 a year for property tax for that house. years down the road the 95 year old wife thats on social security barely can make ends meet every month. it gets to a point that the property tax cant be afforded anymore and the gov takes that house. if a house can be in your family for over 60-70 years and it can be taken from you because you cant pay $2300 property taxes for that year its time for a revolution. do you know what the definition of a mortgage is? mort - means death, gage -means pledge. so your mortgage actually means death pledge.The problem is the purchasing power of the dollar needs to be reinstated away from the “fiat debt based create money out if thin air” to be like it was years ago before creation of the fed. You always hear politicians say “we need more good paying jobs” that is not the answer. I have had jobs some good paying and not so good paying… heck I have had 2-3 jobs st one time. and still not make it week to week…the problem is that the purchasing power of the dollar must be reset so one spouse can work where the other one can stay home and be with the kids and watch the home and give proper discipline which with one income that takes the pressure off of the marriage and you will make it in life…for example in 1972 a father can work one job mom can stay home and raise kids. And you still could have one car on the family with a small yet decent single family home America and any other nation falls when the 1-5 percent of the population has 90 percent of the wealth. Check out other nations: France Rome Spain, etc… same thing always happens. Then that society just disintegrates into all sort of perversion and then it collapses…

Many of these guys was all about how many titles they can have rather than how religious they were.

It appears that this is happening in the United States.

There goal is to take over. Destroy the civilization. Disobey its laws, culture, religion any strenghts of the country has

Invasions n clash of culture. Everyone around the world invading America. Because the govt. Fails to prevent it. In europe its Islam invasions.

Civilizations are born, they peak, and then they die usually from a combination of greed, ecological overshoot (humans destroy their own habitat) and overpopulation. Prior to collapse. institutions become corrupt like the Supreme Court in the United States. The court was corrupted by the wealthy. The Republican party was corrupted by Trump. Even though the US Government was warned in 1987 by Dr. Carl Sagan and Dr. James Hansen that climate change posed an existential threat to humanity, the US Government did nothing...they didn't even lift a finger. This is hubris. Hubris topples civilizations. Whenever humans over reach and claim superiority over Nature, (Titanic, Hitler, World Trade Center) Nature always corrects them with abundant suffering.

Thanks!

I think this theory overlooks the pressures from the masses that are historically exerted upon the status quo and ruling elites, and that are responsible for real change and growth. The peasant revolts in medieval Europe, the French Revolution, the abolitionist movement and slave revolts in the US, the successful slave rebellion in Haiti, the civil rights and antiwar movements in the US and elsewhere, the anti-apartheid movement in South Africa, the current anti-imperialist and anti-colonial movements in Africa -- the list goes on and on. Real change comes from the bottom, not the top. The ruling elites respond to those pressures. If they respond wisely -- as in abolishing slavery and Jim Crow -- the civilization grows. If they respond unwisely -- through autocratic crackdowns, surveillance and police states -- the civilization ultimately collapses. But the ruling elites are, either way, the responders, not the creators.

Very biased right wing agenda in this video. Pushing the idea that welfare causes the collapse of empires is ridiculous. The concept of the welfare state is very modern and hasn't been around for very long. The empires of history didn't have such a thing

I think you missed Archbishop Absalon.

ygggg

Another monk we should thank for classical education, Martin Luther.

Liberty and abundance for who, the slaves, the women, the native americans? This is nonsense.

How? Have a good look at the USA. It's happening right now before your very eyes under the slogans of Trump's MAGA and the Mega-wealthy fascists who are helping him.

Great video! Thought I would add a few philosopher-kings: Cyrus the Great of the Persian Empire Emperor Ashoka of India Emperor Kanishka of India and the Kushans The Prophet Muhammed, who was a king and the founder of the Arab Empire that went on to create the Golden Age of Baghdad His successors the Caliphs Abu Bakr and Omar Emperor Akbar of India and the Mughals The three legendary philosopher-King Emperors who presided over the Golden Age of the Qing Dynasty in China: The Kangxi Emperor his son the Yongzheng Emperor his grandson the Qianlong Emperor At least a few of the American Founding Fathers, such as Thomas Jefferson And similarly, at least a couple of the founding fathers of modern India, such as Gandhi (though Gandhi himself never ruled as President or Prime Minister) These last are recent figures, so we know them in great detail, and know their flawed, human side; suffice it to say, Solomon and Emperor Ashoka had their human side too! (The American Founding Fathers also had a few of the weaknesses of their society, weaknesses that they did not yet know how to fix, including one that was waiting for a last American Founding Father, Abraham Lincoln, but this should not prevent them from being considered philosopher-kings, for they were pioneers, founders of a new civilization, pioneers in a hard, rough, turbulent process of building up a new civilization! Rather like Charlemagne and his predecessors Pepin I and Charles Martel!)

So, when exactly was the abundance and liberty era in America ? Abundance and Liberty for whom at that time ? Do tell, and be specific.

seems in modern higher academia in the US this entire video would be looked at like it was about just DWEMs (dead white european males) and negated right off the bat. higher education in america will have to go through serious changes before it is more that a marxist narrative echo and amplification machine.

Well, here's the thing: the wealthy are the governing authority ! In what nation do the poor or working people actually control the government. Sure, that's what the communists claim, but their so-called 'worker's party' is just a front for the rule of dictatorial party elite who are the wealthy and powerful in those countries. In liberal democracies as well, it's always the wealthy (only this time, overt Capitalists) who pull the strings. They are the wealthy donors who fund the political parties, who pay the political lobbyists, who influence greatly the politicians, and help to get them elected and keep them in power. So, this whole idea that there is an underclass of the masses that somehow gains control of the government and becomes hopelessly dependent upon it through their voting to give themselves free benefits at the expense of the nation as a whole is PURE AND UTTER BULLSHIT ! How many civilizations have collapsed because of the greed and corruption of the wealthy elite at the top got to such a point that it wrecked the nation ? See the Roman Empire where there was never any real democracy, or the great civilization of Egypt where there was never any social welfare benefits for the poor and the enslaved working for the Almighty Pharaoh night and day until death to erect his palaces and pyramids, or see the Russian Empire and how it collapsed from the greed of it's Czar and his aristocratic elites. Indeed, with the possible exception of the Soviet Union, you would be hard-pressed to find a nation or civilization that collapsed because of its social welfare programs. But, in reality, even in the Soviet Union, it was always a corrupt and wealthy party elite that had the real power and pulled-the-strings. So, even there, a case can be made for blaming the collapse, not on the dependence of the masses upon the government for 'free benefits', but instead on the corruption and greed of the wealthy party elites who had dictatorial powers, and where the whole idea of democracy was a sham. The idea that the people in the Soviet Union voted themselves 'free benefits' at the expense of the nation as a whole is just ABSURD ! No, you should always look at the greed and corruption of the wealthy for the causes of societal collapse, because everyone knows that in every nation that ever was, is, or will be, THE WEALTHY ARE THE POWERFUL and THE WEALTHY ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

The late antique world (Byzantium in 5th, 6th Century, etc.) was not a dying civilization. It was a dying Empire. The civilization lived on in Baghdad, in Bulgaria, in Kiev and Rus, in Ottoman Istanbul. Civilizations change. That does not mean that they are dying. The late antique world only died in one region- mainland Italy and western Europe north of the Alps. Because there, high Classical Civilization was young and had been patronized by the dying Empire, and died with the Empire that patronized it. A Roman Empire that died in those lands long before it died in the east in the world of Constantinople. Civilization in Spain, Sicily, Tunisia and north Africa was handed off to the beautiful Visigothic and Vandal successor kingdoms, and in time to the Arabs. It did not die there, nor did it die in Ravenna in mainland Italy, which handed off its civilization to Venice. He is right on the first point. Fear is the enemy of lots of things. Fear should be taken as a warning to be taken rationally, and thought over calmly and rationally, and nothing more. I have not yet reached the third point. I look forward to it!

I'm doing my best on the transcendant side

anyone who looks at human behavior and doesn't take race into consideringation is so anti science it is not even worth consideration.

"...the ruling class and the common people…" wow :(

The price for apathy in Civic affairs is to be ruled by evil men...Plato.

Great video. But be aware of the danger. The critical weakening blow upon Christian Orthodox Byzantium came from Western Catholic Crusaders in 1204. And there was also fratricide against protestants in the West. A great Warrior Bishop does not allow himself to be goaded into random destruction or a futile war. And that is why I am opposing our involvement in Ukraine, and Taiwan, and Israel (a Western Crusader state which is even more confused than the original, and just as doomed).

The perfect illustration of the decay of civilization is DONALD TRUMP !

Cult? I suppose that’s enough of this beta produced video.