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im gonna be honest, i hate the tcc and the romanticizing of killers wholeheartedly, but i will always agree with them on the fact that dave cullen is a narcissistic liar. whenever he talks about columbine he talks about it as if it were a fucking fanfic lmao. i mean "eric; psychopath, manipulative" and "dylan; depressed and submissive follower" ? it sounds like BDSM to me lmao. also i dont get why people continue to support him. a lot of stuff in his book was debunked, like that one theory that says that eric slept with an older woman and that she was meant to be a 3rd shooter. has been debunked 73838383829 times, and it is on cullen's book. i will never understand why he wants to paint eric as a ladies magnet also. he acts as if eric was this flirting absolute beast when he literally told a girl he liked "what do you think about the stars in the sky when there is no clouds and you can only see the stars" and when she didnt know what to answer he panicked because he thought he fucked up lmao. he paints them as these epic evil masterminds when they were just insecure depressed edgy ass teens with bottled up anger.

THanks. I love him!

Interesting. But sorry, I grew up in Chicago. I have lived in 15 cities on 3 continents as an adult, though (and in the US South), so I have developed sort of a mutt accent, unconsciously picking up bits and pieces along the way, and losing my Chicago accent. I've been to Russia and Israel, but only a week each. :) I have to say I laughed at the forced effort to avoid rolling my Rs. I spoke fluent Spanish for awhile, and learned to roll my Rs, but not aware of that exerting itself and me trying to stop myself.

@@DaveCullen Thank you for your reply. I have to say this is the first time I am found to be wrong in my assumptions about detecting an accent. If you are like me, you can pick up an accent by merely being in a foreign country or by spending enough time in the South (if you will). If you have a parent who has an accent, this can be a good reason for pronunciation fluctuations. Have a blessed day! Ciao bello

No. I think it has a date, right?

Thanks.

@@DaveCullen No problem. I've really enjoyed your written and spoken work on Columbine too. :)

Psychopaths are capable of conveying emotions such as guilt or empathy for close family members. They have what is called an empathy switch that they can turn on and off at will, especially when they are committing a crime. So, the difference between psychopaths and us is that their empathy switch is mostly off while ours is mostly on.

Thanks man.

Thanks. I did, actually, several years ago. (They booked me to do 2 Naperville schools and the public library.) If you'd like me to come back, talk to a teacher or administrator about doing something like that again. There is booking info at my site, davecullen.com Are you reading the book?

She sure is.

No, they have never spoken to any journalist--at least that's been made public. And no, there were never any reports that they were writing a book. And given their privacy, I find that rumor extremely unlikely. (It also makes little sense: why would my book preclude theirs?)

Thanks for clearing things up! For some reason within the "Columbine community" a lot of people make shit up. Someone said that your depiction of Eric pissed off his parents and made them go back on their book deal? Who knows. Also, quick question. Did you ever reach out to Brooks Brown when you were writing your book?

Yes, a lot of people spread nonsense. Also, that logic seems backwards. If my book pissed them off, wouldn't they be MORE likely to write their own? I spoke to Brooks early in my reporting, and then talked to his parents while working on the book, and read his book.

Thanks for the information. I love how accessible and nice you are for a NY Times best seller! Appreciate it.

Thanks. :)

I covered it as a journalist. I drove out there in the first hour, and of course it was horrifying. It was the kids the morning after, that really drew me in, though. (I describe that in the start of the "Vacant" chapter--vacant referring to their stares. Chilling.) I had to know what would become of them. And then second, I became driven to understand why the killers did it. More at my site here: www.davecullen.com/columbine

Awesome, thanks for your response!

I doubt it. The sheriff said they destroyed all known copies.

I haven't seen the film, but no, Eric was shooting at everyone he could see outside. It had nothing to do with anyone's religious beliefs. And Rachael died instantly from her head wound.

Andrea Robyn They were talking about another Rachel

Which is good. It should be unimaginable. I couldn't either, which is what kept pulling me back to this subject, to find out why. That was the biggest thing driving me ten years.

Bowens92 shut up this is why people do this because of people like you

Yes, they both died instantly. (Also, no one was there to witness, so any reports of crying or counting are made up.)

Thanks for enlightening )

David, coroners can conclude many detailed facts of the death without ever witnessing. Kate Battan assured me they both died instantly. Dylan blew a large hole through his brain at point-blank range, with a high-caliber weapon, and the round going straight through and out the other side. You can read both autopsies at my columbine-guide site. We'll see if youtube let's me post the link: www.columbine-guide.com/columbine-autopsies-harris-klebold David, I'd also say that it's not a great idea to repeat stuff you have heard on the web. I don't recall Eric's eyes falling out of his head, but you can read his autopsy and see. I don't know where you heard the stuff about Dylan, but it sounds like Internet rumors. Don't spread them. Thanks.

We don't have to guess, because there was an autopsy. You're correct that Dave Sanders slowly bled to death in Science Room 3, but everyone killed in the library was dead long before the cops arrived there. I don't know where you're reading all this stuff about Columbine, but be aware that there is a lot of nonsense out there.

I investigated the gay rumors more than probably anyone, and wrote about them for Salon. All debunked. Not one credible person was found. I don't know who you're referring to. The Hitler connection was a coincidence. I thought I made clear in the book that they planned it for April 19, had to push it back a day because Eric wanted more ammo. Eric was very enamored of the Nazis, but not Dylan. Didn't I spell all that out in the book?

Thanks for replying Dave. Whom was Mike Connors in relation to Dylan? An article I came across in my research states Dylan confided in Connors that he was "Eric's lover". That information was later conveyed to an investigator. Additionally, a teacher of Dylan's mentioned he perceived Dylan was gay. I realize it is not relevant to the shooting in and of itself. It does however speak to Dylan's lifestyle, which gives important insight to him....Of much greater concerned to me is that the school counselor at Columbine dropped the ball when Dylan's math teacher brought a disturbing paper he wrote, to their attention, and the counselor never gave it as much as a once over nor confronted Dylan about it. It's been established Dylan was taking psychiatric drugs for (2) years prior to the massacre, and had a history of aggressive and defiant behavior at Columbine, i.e. bullying special ed kids, yet, he was not monitored. The counselor had a "Duty to Protect". Why were they not investigated and held accountable? ....Dylan was one of those kids that fell through the cracks. Sadly, many kids do, except in Dylan's case, systemic failure proved catastrophic. Respectfully submitted.

Hmmmmmmm. It doesn't sound like you've read my book. I think it would clear up much of this stuff. It was Eric taking Luvox for 1 year, not Dylan for 2. It was an English teacher, and she did confront Dylan. (If you read the expanded edition of the book, it actually includes the scanned copy of his essay with her hand-written comments on it, saying she was deeply offended and he has to talk to her about it before he gets a grade.) I'm not sure what you mean by "not monitored," but he was suspended, his parents paid very close attention, etc. I would be careful about relying on stuff out on the internet! There is a lot of garbage out there. And I recall a few people who told the cops wild stories about the killers sharing secrets with them, including gay stuff, and it became very clear that these people didn't even know the boys. Anyone claiming to be a lover was thoroughly discredited. (I can't recall all the thousands of names of minor testimony, but that does ring a bell. If someone quoted him correctly as saying he was Dylan's lover (a big if), then yes, he was discredited. They all were. I am gay, and actually spent quite a bit of time at Rainbow Alley, the only shelter for gay youth in the Denver metro area (probably in the state) and talked to the counselors there about rumors, and they found them thoroughly uncredible. Yes, kids say things. They're not always true.

Reports are conflicting. I have 2 credible media sources that substantiate the fact Dylan was taking the meds (not Eric). It deserves further research to be certain. Who was the prescribing practitioner?... Michael Moore studied the link to psychiatric drugs in mass shootings, and gave a scathing report, as well. Say what you want about Michael, but he is at the top of his game. As for Dylan weather or not he was gay is neither here or there. His sexual orientation is not relevant to the massacre. Intriguing at best. If I were a betting man, I'd bet he was gay and struggled with it. Spaghetti is straight until you heat it up. He was conflicted in many ways. I will leave that there. It was Susan Klebold, whom stated that Dylan's teacher confronted her about Dylan's paper that first raised raised a red flag with his teacher. Susan did not ask to see the paper. What parent, whom is a teacher themselves, would not ask to see the paper? Susan stated the teacher informed her they would bring it to the attention of the counselor who would get in touch with her. Susan said, that never happened. If this is true, the counselor in question is culpable and ought to be held accountable.They had a responsibility to protect not only Dylan, but the community of Columbine..... I should add here, Susan Klebold is a good mother. She made some mistakes, what parent doesn't. Dylan is responsible for his actions, not Susan or Tom. Dylan had the presence of mind to know what he was doing. He was not crazy by any means. Susan's pain is every-bit real and unimaginable! I cannot say the same for either of Eric's parent -- both whom should be in jail!

You said, " It deserves further research to be certain." More than what? I spent 10 years on the book, and I can assure you the massive investigative team combed over every detail repeatedly, and painstakingly, and that came up a zillion times, and has been covered by countless journalists, and the idea that no never noticed they had it backwards is absurd. Reputable journalists make mistakes all the time. The NY Times prints corrections every day. I don't know who these 2 reputable sources are, but just because they got the names wrong doesn't mean much at this point. Your paragraph on Susan and the teacher is contradictory. You say it was Susan who raised the issue, yet she never saw the story. Hmmmm. How would she have known to raise a red flag about a story she had never seen? I have no idea what point you're trying to make, because there are many contradictions within that paragraph. But you should also know that different people in this event have different versions. Regardless, I have no idea what your point you are trying to make now.