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@@mp2866 We route each instrument group out to different physical audio outputs, so drums, bass, guitars, etc. show up as separate channels on the console for the audio guy to mix. If I route the tracks to the multitrack group first, it would only allow those tracks to go down one stereo channel (whatever output the group is assigned to), rather than out to the 7 separate sends. If I sent them to both the group AND routed them to the sends, I would get two signals from each track: one from the group output, and one from the send. “Sends only” ensures that the tracks only go out to those separate sends. It does unfortunately take away the group volume functionality (I’m not actually sure if ableton has a DCA function or not), but I haven’t found a huge need for that in the past

What are you having trouble with? I can do my best to explain some of the process

@@Quiksilver6565 setting up, i been trying to follow your videos but for some reason I cant get it to work.

I haven’t, but I’ll have to try in 11 this week!

I'm not sure I totally follow what your saying here, but I usually build out each song in Ableton in its own project file, so I would add my cues and midi notes to the song file, then drag that song file into the weekly Ableton project to build my Sunday set. This way I only have to add midi cues and tempo tracks etc. one time per song. In Lightkey, you could assign the starting cue of each song with a unique midi note that ableton can trigger, and then have ableton simply hit the Play button in Lightkey at the appropriate time. So for instance, if you have 2 songs in your set, the first song's set cue could be assigned to a D#2, and the second song could be assigned to a D2, and the play button to a C-1. In Ableton, the first song would have a midi note that sends a D#2 to fire the first song's lights, then through out the song it would have a bunch of notes sending a C-1 to play the next cue in the song. When it gets to song 2, it would fire a D2 note to fire the lights for the second song, and then C-1 again to hit the play button and advance the light cues at the appropriate time. All that is a bit awkward to explain in a comment, but I hope that helps point you in the right direction! These days I have actually moved everything over to timecode, so I am no longer using Midi for automation purposes, but I can help find a solution if you need any other help!

Massive Help. Thank you so much!

In my experience, timecode is much easier to set up, and more reliable. I like that it doesn’t rely on network, and it syncs no matter where you are, it doesn’t have to wait for the next cue to trigger before it gets back in sync. If you run special video content, or want backgrounds to change with the music it’s much more accurate, and it’s easier to use the timeline view in pro to get slides set up, plus you can use timecode with any system including audio and lighting

I’d be happy to walk you through the process! What console are you running?

@@Quiksilver6565 I am a completely new to this, sorry. Do you need to run it through your audio console? If you do unfortunately, I won’t be able to do so. I was hoping I can use date virtual card to go from one computer to another directly over network.

@@amidfilms989 the audio itself can be routed directly, however, for the Dante network to function it needs to have some piece of Dante hardware on the network like a Dante card in a console to act as a “hub.” Something like a Dante avio device could potentially work as well, but I don’t believe you can use DVS with no other hardware. The good news is that there are a lot of ways to get audio from one computer to the other, and it doesn’t really matter what you go with, timecode will still work!

@@amidfilms989 I actually just looked this up, and it looks like you CAN use Dante virtual sound card along side of Dante Via, and get it working that way. Dante via is another piece of software that can become the “hub” in place of a hardware device. So the solution would be to buy a license for via on one computer and for Dante virtual sound card, the. You could simply link the computers over LAN

@amidfilms989 This is a post from a rep at Audinate: “So, first of all, Dante Virtual Soundcard DOES require at least one Dante-enabled hardware device, or Dante Via to be present on the network to act as the master clock, as DVS cannot act as the master clock independently, and can only be a slave device to the master clock on the network. The master clock must be present on the network at ALL times. The master clock (Dante-enabled hardware or Dante Via) will be automatically selected as the master when it is connected, and you shouldn’t need to make any configurations to this. To answer the original post, having no Dante-enabled hardware device or Dante Via between two computers running Dante Virtual Soundcard will cause clock misconfiguration errors, as you can see. We do not support the use of DVS without a hardware device or Dante Via present on the network to act as the master clock. This is why you are unable to make it function correctly in this way. The Dante Controller is there to enable the user to make routes and configure devices only, and does not act as the clock master at all. Dante Controller DOES NOT handle clocking!! Once routes and devices are configured, Dante Controller can actually be removed from the network, i.e. the computer/s it’s installed on. Dante Via now supports multiple channels (16x16) between DAW applications, and can send audio between two computers without a Dante hardware device. However, if you wanted to run more than 16x16 channels between two computers, you might want to consider using two instances of Dante Virtual Soundcard on two separate computers, and Dante Via on a third computer to act as the clock master. Then you will be able to pass audio between the multiple channels available from DVS. Dante Virtual Soundcard and Dante Via are two different software applications, and cannot run simultaneously on the same computer at the same time. One needs to be stopped before the other application can be started. Hence the requirement for Dante Via on a third computer. I hope this clears everything up. If you have any further questions feel free to post back to this forum, or contact our support channel on our website…. You may find that many questions can also be answered in the FAQs available on the Audinate website. Thanks, Lisa”

unfortunately you would just need to re record the slide changes

In that case, all you would have to do would be to assign a key on the keyboard to the mute button on that track or group. There is no need for a fade if the track isn't playing, so assigning it to directly mute it would be fine!

Sorry about that! There have been several updates and ui changes since I posted these. Try right clicking on the cue and hitting options

What leads you to believe it’s the IAC? Is the button just randomly failing?

I figured it out! Turns out being sick doesn’t help with trying to figure out small details lol. IAC is fine. I was working in the wrong order (assigning the note before applying the envelope). The reason I thought the IAC was acting funny was because it would no longer assign the note/cc at random.

Next to the live tab there is a little arrow that opens a drop down menu. This is where you can select different control panels and cue lists. I added a cue list just for my songs, and for each song I created a folder under that playlist, and put all my cues in that folder. So whenever I wanna program a new song I right click in the cue list and hit “new folder” and just build all my cues in that folder. When it’s time to do that song on Sunday I copy it over to my Sunday cue list

@@Quiksilver6565 Amazing thank you so much! I really, really appreciate your help!

Just sayin’ I never had to turn on the Bass track for a sound check. There’s a clear pattern 🤣

MAN I figured it out. What a trip. Thanks Jeremy for getting me most of the way there!! Anyone trying to MIDI map the fade this way to the Push 2 controller needs to "Uncheck" the "Out: IAC Driver *whatever you named it" and it will work. Then just MIDI map it to a USER button on your Push controller. Tonight, I am Victorious!!

Unfortunately there is no built in feature to do this reliably. You would need some kind of external program like Ableton or Cue-lab to trigger things and keep them in sync. We have volunteers that run our cues live most of the time, and only automate when needed

Light key isn't legitimate software for anything advanced. Switch over to something legitimate like ETC Eos or a hog or MA r something. If the main webpage for your light software has a banner that says, "Professional Lighting Software", odds are, it isn't professional software. (It isn't.)

I’m actually pretty sure you could use garage band to accomplish this. GarageBand is free with every mac, so all you’d need to do is drop the mp3 on a track and create a midi track under that that plays midi notes when you want your cues to change. Same process as Ableton, but using built in software

@@Quiksilver6565 You can't say, "Record Cue 1 Enter Enter" though. I'm hating and basically trolling Lightkey because I started in theatre and just started working at a place that uses lightkey and the simple fact that you can't record a cue blows my friggin mind. So of course I'm working 13 hour days right now light designing my own stuff in eos, lol.

@@jordanhenshaw I started on an Ion and mostly work on Chamsys consoles these days, and I love them! It’s true that pro consoles have a ton more flexibility, but for 90% of users who just need to turn lights on and make them look good, it’s not bad. When I came up in the industry, the only low cost options in lighting were horrid things like the obey 70. Light key kind of changed the game for budget rigs, and brought revolutionary features like *fading between scenes!* (for real, there was no fade option on anything below 500 bucks back in the day) The command line is fantastic when you learn how to use it, but a lot of people operate better under the “point and click” method.

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I haven't dug into the hue integration just yet. I'll let you know if I figure it out!

@@Quiksilver6565Thank you very much, I will wait for your answer...

Hmm. I’ve seen CPU spikes like this on random occasion, but never tied to midi mapping. What computer are you using?

​@@Quiksilver6565 Luckily, I solved it after a few try: the "remote" button under the output of the newly created IAC driver (in this case it's the "Output: IAC Driver (Track Fade)" ) should be turned off. Otherwise I assume it creates some sort of feedback for using the IAC driver and the MIDI controller at the same time. Anyway thanks for the response! PS. I use a 2015 Macbook Pro 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7

I’ve been considering this. When I get some time I’ll put one together!

I would rise the "100" to a higher number and try to find the matching zero

@@minghimtong7295 I was running into that too. I extended the clip to be 4 measures (ending 5.1.1) and made sure the volume zeroed out by beat 4 in measure four.

What kind of triggers are you wanting to use? (What is triggering changes in lightkey?

@@Quiksilver6565 I am using ableton. Currently, ableton is triggering Pro-presenter via audio midi network native to Mac. Now I added another comp to run lightkey but it won’t work unless I use bome.

Are you using different midi tracks or channels to trigger Pro and Lightkey, or are you trying to trigger both with the same midi note? I guess I’m not sure why Bome would be needed in that scenario

@@Quiksilver6565 yes, I am using different midi channels from ableton. From what I understand, lightkey cannot be triggered across the network unless bome is involved. I’ve reached out to a church that does it that way, will be visiting next week. I’ll let you know the outcome in case it helps someone else. Thank you b

So if you are triggering directly from Ableton, you don’t need to go through bome. Bome is handy if you are using lightkey to trigger something else (like having lightkey control Pro Presenter). Or if you are on a windows platform with Ableton and need to use Bome’s network midi bus. In lightkey, under preferences, make sure lightkey’s midi input it coming from the network session, and hit command+E to bring up your midi assignments. This will allow you to assign midi to cues and buttons straight from ableton

Glad to help!