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You’re right on the money. What Blizzard seems to failing to understand is that PvP is the most replay-able content wow has to offer. If they catered a bit more to PvP and simply just gave cosmetics, for all rated play - it would be a game changer. Good video, man. Thanks for putting this out there!

It's PvP and has ZERO value to the majority of players... really. That's half the problem with SoD they over focused on PvP and its made people leave in droves.

and i very much would like to ask those workers: why they increased HPs to millions?

Disc just getting shit on again. No knockbacks, interrupts, low mobility. Fuck this sucks.

Mark! they r simply stupids.

Right or wrong…. You probably shouldn’t sit around bitching about the video game that pays your bills

I personally believe that pvp in wow should be a separate game client. They can break the game in that client for all I care. Let's face it dude, Blizz has its hands full with the new TWW launch incoming. Your pvp will have to take the backseat until after the smoke settles. They're having enough trouble balancing pve, now you want to add pvp in the mix--pheww!

After playing the beta, I cancelled both of my subs.

E sports killed wow pvp...

Everytime you see that red enchant you’re like damn he’s a pvper

There's definitely way too much stuff in wow and still an insanely high proportion of passive stuff which is literally just wasted pixels on the screen as it gets countered by all the other classes passive stuff. I get that it's an MMO and you need to feel like you're progressing and getting stronger, but having a bunch of passive crap flying around and secretly modifying rotational things just seems like a waste. Look at plunderstorm, very few abilities but still a lot of combinations to outplay and very easy to pick up as a new player. I think they definitely need to do another Legion style ability cull but I am also in my 30s so nostalgia is strong with how the game used to be.

Resto shaman in C tier is just silly. Full out dumbassery

A little extra rewards for solo would be nice, the litte delves mount is a good opportunity for that. Maybe if they made running 3 not be such a challenge would be nice.

Don't think Realz is working on rogue anymore from what I've seen on the rogue disc

I think we can live in a world where we can have healers that want to just heal and one's that want to dps as well

Have you done a dps healer tier list yet? Looking forward to it

i was a peak casual player up until legion when i joined my first pve guild and started goin for aotc every patch pre legion, i was the slightly above average rsham quing up random bgs all day inbetween old raids chasing rare mounts, i have not touched pvp since legion

Whys everybody first thing to say is go play League of Legends. Or fps that more team base crap. I alway loved duels the most in wow thats why play mostly fighting games now

I dont like the idea of healers doing damage because then they become unkillable in Wpvp. Its already bad enough that some healers can use one spell and tops their health back up. same with arenas that's why we have damping because fights would last way too long and pretty much a stalemate.

what addons for that dark line around your UI?

adding mounts to all brackets, adding some more illusions and buffing mmr alot sooner just instantly doubles the player base for pvp, crazy that they just do fck all :(

You want to get rid of rated battlegrounds and focus on arena you are the type of player that ruined wow pvp for everyone. Focusing content for 1% or less of the player base is a design destined for failure. Want wow pvp be good again get rid of arenas all together.

What will save shuffle is don't let any healer be in the game type. Why make 90% people suffer for a 1% gameplay style. Don't make people play something that's not fun. Make the game twice as fun by taking away the healer. Worst part about PVP is how long people survive take away the healer and boom game is fun again.

Get rid of arena as competitive play it's terrible game play if you wanna do 1v1 go outside the main city. Competitive scene needs be moved to battlegrounds that's when people actually liked PVP. A game with this many classes you can't balance a 2v2 the game is ment to have all the classes bounce off of each other. Meta is more important when you only have 2-5 people.

If they bring any sort of reward for 2v2 I will re-sub to wow. It is the most fun bracket to play for me 🥹

Make all PVP gear free and take away achievements so people don't have to link achievements they didn't earn or earned 7 years ago. No new players because young people don't want to grind 60 hrs to be good in pvp then have to re grind that a month later. My son's favorite part game is pvp but he gets discouraged and plays fortnight because is a level playing ground. Make all PVP gear free only cosmetics earned by honor get rid of conquest make two versions of pvp 1 version competitive you pick gear with the stats you prefer before games only that gear allowed to be used. 2nd version is shit show can have gear from any part the game in it. PVP is fun it's just an unfun grind to compete. Wow needs to learn people play games that are fun now days not grind shitty systems to get to the fun.

Wow is the only game I loved playing. If I’m not playing wow then I go months without playing any video games. It sucks that the game isn’t what it used to be ):

Always felt like PvPers kinda get shafted with rewards. You can give 6 straight hours of your time to the game in arenas and walk away with 0 gold. Do one terrible dungeon and you can earn gold? It has always been slanted towards PvE man, but I hope it changes!

Healers should heal -> it's low-rated mentality. In a good team healer coordinates the team, communicates when dps can push in, call out defcds (dps presses it actually), and keeps track of DR to start a cc chain during go ( rmpally ) or goes in and fears on DR or cc off dps to get off pressure from your caster..etc. One thing that nobody talks about how the MMR was artificially was fucked on EU by boosters and from 2.3 to 2.5 you were only facing pilot boosters but after 2.5 games were fine...

No one cares about wow pvp..

This was an amazing video with great ass suggestions I hope someone at blizzard listens to this

Man, after almost 20 years of playing the game, I've learned that you just gotta roll with the punches. I find this is the best it's been in a very long time for casual dads like myself.

Blizz should add tokens for tabard/illusions/Gladiator mounts from the past. Like Dragonflight mounts will be exclusive for Dragonflight+TWW and after that you can earn tokens for old mounts like after receiving your Gladiator wins 50-150 wins more will give you a token. Mounts are accwide anyway today i wouldnt care if we get new players into pvp that way. And maybe add some beginner queue where players with 2.4k+ acms cant get into even with alt characters. (But maybe thats not great either because people will not improve if the gameplay is to wild;D)

I think community 2v2/3v3/SS tournaments could be fun. Or just 2v2 tournaments that anyone can come and try for. Woukd be fun to open 2v2 to more veiwership and importance. 2v2 is a dead bracket at higher cr even lower cr sometimes. It'd be cool to see people who never play awc to see how good they are at the game in other areas like Duo

We are getting a Battleground Blitz mode or something like that soon! I hope we get a new BG!

30 yard range on cyclone does sound insanely good, especially with fast cast clones :)

First minute of vid so true lol

League rapes wow pvp, what are you on about? Coming from a wow pvp”er since tbc😊

This might be alittle of topic but i remember having that hollow glow in mist of pandaria from 2300 cr in arenas, how do you get that glow now? Just returned to retail. (Your dark enchant)

Can we plz get a new mmr system? Like league or OW?

It’s funny to see mage fire and frost as B tier and affliction as well. The rbgs above 1.8k - 1.9k mmr are dominated by range specs. A proper elem is S tier always in rbgs due to high potential of killing everyone in few globals. It’s weird to see paladin retri in A tier while he fails at mobility, CC and defend a base.

I'm not sure if it'll still be like this in the new expansion, but those Tiersets really killed my pvp experience (especially on alts, or if you haven't played in a few weeks and have to catch up)... Having to grind other content for a chance to get the gear, or get lucky in the vault. Why not just have the crafted pvp gear, honor pvp gear and conq pvp gear? Makes so much more sense, so you can just play pvp instead of the second job type grinding to be able to start to be competitve. Great video with super valid points!

TWW will be the most bug-imbalance-explosive-burst-fiesta expansion ever made... and that's why perhaps it will be the funniest of all, at this point just embrace chaos, blizzard don't care anymore about pvp so why bother, pick two or three specs that perform well on blitz and just have fun guys, the game is completely alt friendly now so you can role and play whatever you want at any moment

Here's what I wanna know: How come I can go back and farm every single dungeon and raid set and mount and pets (handful of exceptions) across all difficulties, but I can't go and get the old elite sets? How come there isn't a token or something I get for hitting duelist that allows me to go back and buy the old sets or illusions? If you say "muh prestige" "muh I did it 15 years ago" kick rocks

2v2 solo shuffle?

1 hd remake of everything pre legion cosmetically. Remixes even. Same with mounts. 2 usable in pvp only rewards/cosmetics 3 pvp gear sets 4 just seperate pvp abilities and pve... Starting with. 5 less abilities, specifically CC... 6 give us 2s dps vs dps.. Or.. 7 make healees support style like other games, obviously this is a much bigger thing.. Aug is a start and the whole targeting and ui would need some work but hey come on blizzard.. We still watching healthbars in 2024. 8 man there are so few maps and game types for pvp.. Again.. 20 years blizzard. Overall and pve wise, the game is in amazing place.. I don't feel like pvp potential had been scratched yet.

Which class spec do you think too op? Im thinking to gear up my ele shaman when the season starts..

Couldn’t agree more about healers, they need to be impactful on the game for it to feel worth playing. They need damage and utilities to get people interested.

I’ve been thinking the same damn thing about illusions for years. JUST RECOLOR LEGION AND MOP ONES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

You have to put yourself in their shoes: In the same way that you don't get incentives for climbing in PVP, I guarantee the PVP developers don't get incentives from their employer for improving PVP, so they just don't care and do the bare minimum to get the same paycheck as they would if it was incredible.