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Is This The Hobby Nippers Game Changer?
Hello everyone! I'm back from house renovations! XD Today, I'm trying to determine if the Sustainable Nippers Advance is the game changer in the hobby nippers arena we've been waiting for!
A note on Single Edged nippers: Think of it like a sharp knife (cutting blade) cutting on a chopping board (the blunt blade), effectively "slicing".
Oftentimes, double edged nippers do a "pinch" and if the blades aren't extremely sharp, they tend to squeeze the plastic before actually cutting it, which causes deformations to the plastic parts.
Timestamps below:
00:00 Play from Beginning
00:04 Is this a Game Changear or just another fad??
00:38 Who is the Plamokojo Committee?
01:45 Unboxing
03:17 Preliminary Cut Test
03:50 In Comparison to the God Hand Ultimate Nipper
06:08 Additional Features of the Sustainable Nippers Advance
07:56 So Is It Actually A Game Changer?
08:18 A Brief Word On Honing and Sharpening
09:07 Price Points
09:35 Cutting Performance Verdict
10:00 Why is it "Sustainable"?
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Komentáře

  • @AM-kb3jv
    @AM-kb3jv Před 25 dny

    木材の表現が素晴らしい!👍

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 22 dny

      頑張りました!優しいお言葉ありがとうございます! (Sorry, my Nihongo is only very basic! >_<, but thank you for your kind words and I hope you've enjoyed watching the process)

  • @greymms3603
    @greymms3603 Před měsícem

    So they perform as well as the godhands?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 29 dny

      So far, in terms of cutting ability, yes! Also since the blade is detachable, it can be easily honed/sharpened, further prolonging its lifespan, but time will tell if the steel quality can hold its sharp edge, which is what the Godhands excel in despite much use (within reason: aka only for intended materials). The only caveat I have to report right now is that the blades are a bit wider, while the Godhand can access tighter spaces.

  • @igelkott4197
    @igelkott4197 Před měsícem

    Nice one bro, keep it up!

  • @ericbond5276
    @ericbond5276 Před měsícem

    Coffee, milk foam and piano, what more can you ask for?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      Haha thanks! I should put back the coffees in the videos... ☕🤔

    • @ericbond5276
      @ericbond5276 Před měsícem

      @@paniccoffee Right now I am drinking Stash chai tea with honey. My go-to coffee is Cafe Bustelo in the a.m. in a 3 cup moka pot. I let the liquid go to bottom of the stem.

  • @ericbond5276
    @ericbond5276 Před měsícem

    If I want to get back on the horse, how much to get all the expansions and starter box?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      Well, that depends which edition, because after this video, they've decided to make 5th Ed, which, from my understanding, makes this edition "Legacy" (I suppose as a means of rotation). For Legacy I'd say get the Anthology, Heirs of the Blood and starters you like... it would be about 22€ per pack so about 300-400€ total. You'd be spending more on 5th edition as they are planning to release more in the future along with an official 2-player format (finally!), but it does look very attractive... and I am struggling to restist getting it as well lol. I only have the 5th edition box, but in any case even at these prices, considering it will not be a TCG, it's a great deal because none of the cards will (should ever) be scalped as Black Chantry themselves want the cards to cost average $0.2, regardless of rarity (except for some sets with exclusive packaging such as the anniversary editions). I'm excited for the 2-player variant! Still, it's relatively inexpensive compared to an actual randomized TCG, in which case, it becomes a monthly cost if you want to keep up and get everything. Let me know if you jumped back in!

    • @ericbond5276
      @ericbond5276 Před měsícem

      @@paniccoffee Thank you so much! I got from ebay Jyhad Crypt vampire cards from 1994. I like the artwork.

  • @barrysingh2872
    @barrysingh2872 Před měsícem

    I didn't know about the finger rest. Also I love your cutting mat

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      Thanks, both are really cool! I was a bit unsure about the finger resst, but it really made sense once I started using it. :D

  • @doubletire
    @doubletire Před měsícem

    My god hand broke while cutting shoulder pads off my space marines so I used a file to re shape the nipper end a bit shorter. They are still working great 👍

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      These thin blades are sharp, but very brittle, so I wouldn't recommend these thin blades for GW plastic or any type of cutting besides gate/sprue ends as they are harder plastic. On the flip side, it's great that you could file it off for reuse! 🥳 I file off my carving knives the same way as they get worn out.

  • @Tehstampede
    @Tehstampede Před měsícem

    The golden receiver on the storm bolter is kinda a vibe not gonna lie

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      A fave choice of mine in red gold look!🤭 (Balthasar Gold base from GW)

  • @BtakaV
    @BtakaV Před měsícem

    Which model is this from?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před měsícem

      @BtakaV Just a Battle Sisters Squad box (two squad variants with customizable head options).

  • @khangthien2278
    @khangthien2278 Před měsícem

    Of course She can handle M249

  • @TONYKG300
    @TONYKG300 Před 2 měsíci

    ive been using the same hobby lobby $5 nippers for years. 71 gunpla kits and its still going strong 😶‍🌫

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      Are you talking about clean straight builds or customizing/painting? The latter doesn't require much cleanup. It's just that single edge nippers require less cleanup (less filing, trimming, smoothing) so it's just like a QoL upgrade in the sense that it saves time. I love the painting and customizing part of the hobby, not so much the sanding so 😅. Obviously it's totally optional if your process works well for you. 🙂 Also I wish we had Hobby Lobby here 😭 Awesome stuff in there for diy stuff

  • @savagepanda9098
    @savagepanda9098 Před 2 měsíci

    Keep up the great work brother!

  • @AyushRaj
    @AyushRaj Před 2 měsíci

    Omg Hatsune Miku That aside. I did get them and three replacements blades from HLJ just because I had some old cheap single bladed nippers that have started to rust because of my negligence. I hope these lasts me well

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      Awesome! I'm still waiting for the restock it shut down on me 😅, but I'm sure it would last a long time under normal circumstances.☕

  • @Mel-md6cb
    @Mel-md6cb Před 2 měsíci

    Are there any nippers with double blades? Ie blades on both nipper prongs (similar to the way a scissor works)? Most that I see are blade on one side and “pusher” on the other. Seems like that will help decrease stress marks when cutting.

    • @cnhnx
      @cnhnx Před 2 měsíci

      Well yes, most common cheap nippers out there are actually double bladed. Single blade nipper like this or Godhand are actually less common and niche specialist product. Two blades are actually worse for stress marks because their pinching movement put more stress into the part its cutting to.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      Yes, actually the most common before the advent of single edged nippers. Think of it like a sharp knife (cutting blade) cutting on a chopping board (the blunt blade), effectively "slicing". What double edged nippers do is a "pinch", if the blades aren't extremely sharp, they tend to squeeze the plastic before actually cutting it, which causes deformations to the plastic parts.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      @@cnhnx Yes, exactly, thank you!

    • @Mel-md6cb
      @Mel-md6cb Před 2 měsíci

      @@cnhnxahh, gotcha. Didn’t realize double blades were the norm.

  • @KacKLaPPeN23
    @KacKLaPPeN23 Před 2 měsíci

    Wait they're actually good? Lmao I saw them at a random shop the last time I was in japan and almost bought it just for the meme but assumed if it's a miku collab I'd be only paying for the branding and the actual product sucks.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      Yup, they are pretty good, albeit slightly wider blades, it cuts cleanly and honestly, with proper use, this would last a long time before any need to replace or sharpen, but I like that the option is there. :D Plamokojo Committee actually makes good products, but yeah the Miku Racing branding adds 1000 Yen. XD There is the standard version with orange trims, but it's exactly the same nipper.

  • @TeaBurn
    @TeaBurn Před 2 měsíci

    They raised the price...well, it was too expensive for me in the first place, so I guess that decision was already made for me. Looks really nice though.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      The basic premise of these specialized nippers is less cleanup and minimal stress on plastic, but I wouldn't say it's a necessity, more a convenience. It is quite the investment as an upgrade, and if used correctly, you'll probably only need one and it will be well worth it.

  • @samsinger5135
    @samsinger5135 Před 2 měsíci

    as nice of a idea of a replaceable blade for a nip cutters and have a razor sharp edge over time.. i would far more go for a micro flush cutter getting in the tight spaces for the supports i would have to snip off from a 3D print

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      I wouldn't recommend these for that application, but instead some some micro flush cutters intended for etched parts. If you're on the lookout for one, check out Hasegawa Trytool's Etching Nipper, they have a very thin blade of 1mm.

  • @TheLotusEater725
    @TheLotusEater725 Před 2 měsíci

    Gundam and Grimdark Nuns...genuinely glad i stumbled on your channel!

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      Thanks! I do like them both, they're just awesome! :D

  • @nigelsmith721
    @nigelsmith721 Před 2 měsíci

    What game are we talking about?

  • @iamarawn
    @iamarawn Před 2 měsíci

    I just got this video on my feed. Why don't you use electronics snips instead? My Knipex ones are ground flush and work perfectly fine.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      I do have a few Knipexes for electronics and pipes and while I agree they are fantastic for metal wiring, they are far too large for plamo scales I work on and won't cut as cleanly, which is oftentimes the case with most double edged nippers. The single edge nippers work more like a mitre cutter and will leave a significantly flush cut without causing much stress and deformation on the plastic.

    • @iamarawn
      @iamarawn Před 2 měsíci

      @@paniccoffee ahh ok. I used the tiny electronic snips on plastic models but filed the last bit flush with diamond files.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      It's just the precision cut that makes these sharp, albeit brittle single edge nippers different and having slim blades just means less cleanup of nubs in sprues/gates. That said, diamond stones/files are amazing! Until last year, I've been using whetstones for my gouges/knives, until I got a few chisels, which then led me to finally get diamond stones/files. I especially like the small files to use with small tools like scissors and nippers.

  • @kyouya951
    @kyouya951 Před 2 měsíci

    Yep, water decals are... How should I put this... difficult to apply to the model, though the results are very nice. I won't be able to complain about that 😅😅😅 I just build a Gunpla with water decals and let's just say... It's stressful. But I'm satisfied with the result even if mine isn't a perfect build 😅😅😅

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 2 měsíci

      They stress me out a bit too, but I found decal adhesives in addition to water, helps a lot in this process! 🥳 I do prefer waterslides over rub-ons. (I hate rub-ons XD).

  • @nightingaleseraph
    @nightingaleseraph Před 3 měsíci

    It takes a great painter to be able to make them look so good even with their terrible hair.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks and yeah, I see what you mean with the hair! XD I do wish their eye sockets are a bit deeper for detail.

  • @TemperingFaber3
    @TemperingFaber3 Před 3 měsíci

    I have to try and magnetize a battle sister too!

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      Go for it! I have a crash course guide video, but I'm planning to add more. Orks are probably the most fun and easiest to magnetize because they have larger parts XD

  • @TemperingFaber3
    @TemperingFaber3 Před 3 měsíci

    Awesome work!

  • @TemperingFaber3
    @TemperingFaber3 Před 3 měsíci

    Beautiful work!!! Sororitas are the best!

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks!!! Oh yeah, love them and I'm really glad they have more units now! :)

  • @shocknawe
    @shocknawe Před 3 měsíci

    Hey mate. I think I'm about to buy this game and wanted to ask you if you think it's worth getting, even 5 or 6 years later. Cheers.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      The Steampunk theme was one of the biggest selling points for me and I feel there isn't a lot of that in this format even today, so if you like Steampunk, minis, and the usual replayability factor of games like this, then yes! :D (On the High Fantasy or Medieval Fantasy genre though, I think there are a lot better out there right now). Esspressly ☕☕☕

    • @shocknawe
      @shocknawe Před 3 měsíci

      @@paniccoffee thanks for the reply! What would "the usual replayablity" be?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      I meant with games like this (similar to other CMON games such as Zombicide, Shadows of Brimstone, etc.) will always have replayability factor with expansions and even just replaying the scenarios will never be exactly the same as your previous plays, especially if you change characters often.

    • @shocknawe
      @shocknawe Před 3 měsíci

      @@paniccoffee Ah! I see. I'm new to the hobby and still am figuring replayablity out. It's odd to me, given I thought board games were meant to be replayable (unless they were "legacy" ones). Thanks a lot about the insight!

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 3 měsíci

      While relatability is expected in board games, the random elements such as dice results, card draws, coupled with character and scenario combinations makes for a more unpredictable, but influencable game. Euro games, for example, have a more structured way of play compared to this or Zombicide (Ameritrash, was what they called it I think 🤔, but I love it haha).

  • @shocknawe
    @shocknawe Před 3 měsíci

    Amazing work. Thank you so much! Loved the editing and how you showed every piece.

  • @tofathi195
    @tofathi195 Před 4 měsíci

    Very nice

  • @charleswillis2509
    @charleswillis2509 Před 4 měsíci

    Thank you. Very nice review.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 4 měsíci

      Thanks!!! Glad you liked it! :)

  • @MarvinR2
    @MarvinR2 Před 4 měsíci

    My 1st Single Blade Nipper was a Fujiya and I got a 2nd one from Dspiae. The weird thing is the alignment from the Dspiae where the Blunt side is lower to Edged side when closed since it catches my nail when I run through them. Fujiya was well aligned where youll just feel the crack but wont stop your nail through. Was the Dspiae Blade design the proper design here or is it defective? I saw how you cut the nub on the demo and you reached the far side of the piece with the Blunt side instead of just placing it at the back of the nub. It kind of makes sense on the Dspiae Design but it would still work I guess on an aligned Nipper.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 4 měsíci

      It's not unusual and as you've concluded, it makes more sense for the blunt side to be slightly lower. This would make sure you can cut deep enough while having some leverage to hold it during the cutting motion. Godhand actually also has a subtly lowered alignment for the blunt blade and I also have other single blade nippers from Hobby Japan that exhibits this kind of alignment, but this actually would make more sense than being perfectly aligned like that with double edge nippers. Judging by both the logic and other designs I've seen, I think the Dspiae nips were designed that way. 😁 I do have their vice and I love it! I hear their stuff is pretty good! 👍 (Thanks for the info!) espressly, ☕☕☕

  • @alixsprallix
    @alixsprallix Před 5 měsíci

    Great video!

  • @Badasspredator
    @Badasspredator Před 5 měsíci

    Those LED already wired and everything made the hole thing come to life, I've been liking into LEDS for diorama and sine you have wired them individually, but these are a time avd sanity saver ❤

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 5 měsíci

      Right on! Especially these days, there are many hobby companies making ready to use wired LEDs. It's a great time to be making all sorts of dioramas! :)

  • @prestonpalafox4236
    @prestonpalafox4236 Před 5 měsíci

    Is it hard? I just got my first ever 40k minis and they sisters too.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 5 měsíci

      Cool! 😎 Have fun! Most GW minis are very straightforward to build, but especially Space Marine types.☺️☕

    • @klenlapis6329
      @klenlapis6329 Před 10 dny

      Yes and no. The sisters are a very nicely detailed unit so it can seem daunting. I was nervous to but you can paint before assembly. It makes getting into hard places easier, take your time and do whatever you like. It’s a highly custom game, don’t be afraid to experiment, you can always redo it

  • @willhuerik5095
    @willhuerik5095 Před 6 měsíci

    ❤❤❤

  • @thebest.cornbread8795
    @thebest.cornbread8795 Před 6 měsíci

    i literally cant get mine to mist amd im doing the same damn thing someone help plz

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 6 měsíci

      Usually when this happens, it's either there's too much or too little water. If everything else fails, it could be defective. Best to have it returned. :D

  • @Misguided_mad_scientist
    @Misguided_mad_scientist Před 6 měsíci

    This is the first video I’ve seen of the channel and man it’s a vibe bro and I’m here for it I love warhammer and love coffee.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it and I'm happy to meet a fellow coffee lover! 🥳☕

  • @skullcrusade3436
    @skullcrusade3436 Před 6 měsíci

    Love how modular they are; great video mate!

  • @razrafz
    @razrafz Před 6 měsíci

    imo steering clear from clear parts just applies to high end singler bladers like the godhands. i use a chinese brand Nanye single edge nippers (costs only 10$ in my country) for everything at its still in one piece and still cuts well

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 6 měsíci

      Actually, GodHand now says that it can cut clear parts of maximum 1mm diameter, so I'll have to update this video. XD For any kind of nipper, regardless if they're high end or not, I still strongly recommend following the recommended diameter thickness and materials that can be cut stated on the instructions based on their internal testing. I believe you, but unless the instructions says that it can cut clear parts, I still would not recommend doing it. If people do, they do it at their own risk, but it's easier to risk $10 than $50. I'd be interested in these Nanye hobby nippers (if I can find them!). I always use a separate cheap nipper for hard or clear parts anyway to spare that damage on my high end ones. I technically can hone and sharpen my nippers using my tools in wood cutting, but using a spare nipper saves me from having to do that. :) That said, there are so many companies coming out with their own sharp blades these days, what a great time to start/be in the hobby! :D

    • @razrafz
      @razrafz Před 6 měsíci

      @@paniccoffee i just think it boils down to where u cut. middle of the gates are usually 1-2mm thick anyway so it should be safe. sometimes i see people cut off parts from the runner by cutting at the rods where the gates are attached to, i guess thats how it breaks the single edge nippers. i bought the nippers out of necessity because the standard plato nippers blades are too thick to safely cut parts without stressing the other nubs in the process.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 6 měsíci

      It is true what you said about people cutting the rods, probably in an attempt to reduce stress on plastic, which is usually a habit developed from using "pinching" nippers back in the day, they just squeeze and barely cut, so they caused the most extreme stress on plastic. It took me a while to adjust as well when I got better hobby nippers, minimizes cleaning time. I definitely recommend to cut in the middle as indicated in their instructions as well. Honestly, I still don't understand how people manage to break their GodHand nippers besides dropping it on the floor or cutting anything other than plastic, 🤔 which ultimately prompted me to make this video to help fellow hobbyists, especially if they're new.☕

  • @nachomeson232
    @nachomeson232 Před 6 měsíci

    Forget about Magic Commander, this is the original multiplayer !!!

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 6 měsíci

      Haha! Yeah, multiplayer in VTES is quite brutal!

  • @TheMigs101
    @TheMigs101 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice face

  • @warhammer12k6
    @warhammer12k6 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice army to play?

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 7 měsíci

      Since its recent codex and unit updates since 8th onwards, imo, yes! :)

  • @panzfaust9812
    @panzfaust9812 Před 7 měsíci

    Been away from the hobby, forgot how expensive it can be.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 7 měsíci

      Just like any hobby, it can get expensive depending on how far you want to go, but actually for Gunpla and general plamo, now is the most accessible time with many different alternatives to big brands of tools and materials, and even kits. Godhand, for example is a pricey and convenient upgrade, but it is not a necessity. You can get away with cheap nippers and a hobby knife. In terms of kits, once you go into limited editions or exclusives then yeah, that's expensive territory 😅

    • @MrSkullface
      @MrSkullface Před 5 měsíci

      Time Vs Money but yes, the higher quality side of hobbies tend to get expensive.

  • @dogsaysquack6279
    @dogsaysquack6279 Před 7 měsíci

    Nice video

  • @mahari7285
    @mahari7285 Před 8 měsíci

    Wow...Coffee, Warhammer, Miniature Painting, Board Games, Stationery, Journaling and Montblanc...that's 7 in a row...I'd definetely be a very supportive partner...😂. I am married for almost 20 years and I have learned that I cannot force my wife to be supportive for my hobbies and vice versa. So, we take our time for individual interests and try not to be too excessive (what both of us tend to be). But most importantly: We also have found interests that we share and enjoy together. Therefore, none of us is in danger to get lost in the own hobby.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 8 měsíci

      Good to hear!😁☕ I'm blessed to have a spouse that actually shares all of the interests you've mentioned. I believe compromise is key if you don't exactly have the same interests. ☕

  • @victor2367
    @victor2367 Před 8 měsíci

    Café brasileiro é bom mesmo

  • @tadatl1696
    @tadatl1696 Před 8 měsíci

    Did you apply thinner to your brush before using the mr hobby aqueous? It look so clean when you did it, but when I tried it, it got unevenly dried and show lines.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 8 měsíci

      Not at all, but just a damp brush (I dip my brush in water, blot it a bit in tissue paper before picking up paint). I noticed that the Aqueous dries so quickly and when it starts to dry, it becomes sticky. Whenever I tried adding a bit of water into the mix, it thinned it too much, but what I found worked well was simply dampening my brush (as I mentioned above) when the paint starts to become sticky (a feeling of the paint grabbing your brush). As for uniformity in application, try to apply in thin layers, let it dry before applying another coat. It's possible that the first coat won't entirely cover the surface, the second coat should cover it up completely, but it's important to let the first wet layer dry because applying a second coat on a still wet layer will break off that layer, causing uneveness/irregularities. I recommend using their own thinner T110 or T111 (not MR. LEVELING), which I wish I had during this build XD I couldn't recommend other other retarder brands since I have no experience how Aquaeous, being a bit of a hybrid formula (Aqueous is water based, but with a bit of solvent), would react with other retarders. In theory they should work, but I haven't experimented with them yet. I just would prefer getting their thinner to make sure they work optimally, it's on the list of my next supply reorder! :D ☕☕☕

    • @tadatl1696
      @tadatl1696 Před 8 měsíci

      @@paniccoffee Thanks, I will try your tip. I tried to find Retarder for sometime in my local stores but sadly could not find them anywhere.

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 8 měsíci

      I forgot to add, if possible, use a primer, this will allow paints to grip on the surface better and also use a larger brush (unless it's a really tiny area) to cover more surface with less strokes. :D Try not to flood the surface or your brush with too much paint so they don't pool or make lumps. The retarder should improve leveling so they flatten for a more even application. You can try online shops. I myself usually get my supplies online as we actually don't have a hobby shop nearby that stocks them T°T

    • @paniccoffee
      @paniccoffee Před 8 měsíci

      Also found out that the Retarder Mild is NOT to be used with Aqueous, though I suppose it is possible, but their leaflet says otherwise. 🤣 I would stick to thinner if you want to improve the flow and it should also extend drying time by a tad while improving flow and adhesion as opposed to just water. A retarder basically does the same, but can extend drying time even more. In theory other brands of retarders should work, I have some Amsterdam and AK Interactive retarders for water based acrylics, I will try them next time. :D