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VESCmann
Registrace 9. 05. 2007
Fungineers Thor300 is ice cold
One of the most important things for me when riding onewheel in the mountains is to be able to continue riding without having multiple breaks because of overheating. When Superflux solved the overheating for motors the problems started with the controllers. Aluminum boxes and custom lids helped and when I reported the thermal issues to Fungineers they said to me " Superflux isn't too strong we just need the VESC that can handle the power".
Is this the solution for overheating?
setups for this comparison:
LFOC/Floatboxx, Superflux MK1, 20s2p p42a
Thor300 CNC Box, Superflux mk2 HT, 20s2p p28a
LFOC/Obligatory Box, Hypercore, 20s1p p45b
Is this the solution for overheating?
setups for this comparison:
LFOC/Floatboxx, Superflux MK1, 20s2p p42a
Thor300 CNC Box, Superflux mk2 HT, 20s2p p28a
LFOC/Obligatory Box, Hypercore, 20s1p p45b
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Nice comparison, have you try the mk3 motor?
Where is Vescmann my hero located ?
@@justintmars Liechtenstein, Europe. Put it on your map 😉
@@VESCmannawesome ! I’ll put it on our list of places to visit! We are leaving Prague now to visit Malaga. I have not seen a single one wheel since being in Europe and a little sad for it 😢
@@justintmars there's an event in Mayrau which is very close to Prague. the czech community is quite big. aldo check out europeanonewheelleague.com for more events
great video, i'm a thor purchasor but your video is a little miss leading, the other two (right and left) are consuming much higher amps and you can see that in the average WH/KM it isn't even comparable. send it buddy. again I am full on fungineers products.
I know but I don't care because all I want is to climb up these hills. I'm still doing more comparisons. already did the same test with Cheap FOCer, Tronic250R and upgraded Floatboxx for LFOC. What you're mentioning about the consumption is only the advantage of the Superflux HT. Average consumption is totally misleading because I the controller was already on for about 40 minutes, most of the time without moving. sorry for that, but I will redo the test when I get my own THOR300 with Superflux HS
@@VESCmann i feel ya, the thor is a game changer for sure!
hi H, you are using the original Floatboxx MLC with LFOC which was designed 2 years ago for the Hypercore motor. The Superflux demands more from the VESC, generating more heat. So for Superflux we developed the CXC range of boxxes with a much larger heatsink, more space, and lower price. Looking forward to comparing this one 😛
Thanks for the input. I'm gonna swap to CXC and check the benefits of the larger box asap
Very interesting vid ! Good to see how long it takes to decrease the temp 😮
thx. best way to cool down the motor is going downhill 😉
What is the ambient temperature? We pushed the thor300 to 63C, climbing at ambient 96F, 1200 feet gain in 3 miles.
first of all the temperatures and the uphill was the same for my tests. so the LFOC would have exploded on your trail. here it was 75F ambient temperature and colder the higher I climbed. 1000 feet gain in 2 miles
@@VESCmann I rode my LF 3.1 alongside the thor300. The LF3.1 had to stop 3 times to cool down, my mosfet limit was set to 80C. Thor300 is amazing, I think it will have 10 miles more of range with the same battery pack compared to LF3.1.
Awesome vid! Upgrading my 1st vesc with the Thor Box from Fungineers tomorrow! Can't wait to destroy my thermals
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if I understood you correctly, you are comparing Little FOCer with SF MK1 to Thor300 with ST HT motor.... I would say this is not fair comparison because MK1 need more amps to produce the same ammount of the torque as HT motor and this also mean Focer will heat more
yes it's unfair... but it was as fair as possible. you can also see on surfdados latest short that Thor300 stays cool with a Superflux HS on a super steep hill
I often get my Little FOCer in the Float Box above 80°C, and I think I get pushback at 85°C or so. Guess I just have a different setting? Either way, looking forward to the Thor, so I can just keep climbing...
Heyy man! Thor300 sure is cool, can't wait for LFOC V4 to see how it compares to Thor300. What is Obligatory Box like, cant see any details on the site? Is it 3D printed is what I'm curious about?
hopefully other upcoming controllers will handle heat like Thor300. I also got a tronic that I will test eventually with 100V battery. The box from obligatory is still under development with the basic idea to get more space between the footpads so you can put a big tire on standard rail length
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I bought an XR with Varial Rails on Craigslist. After we met up he then tells me he has a lil focer he hasn't assembled yet. Long story short, I already met him so I sent $450 on Paypal then he proceeded to mail me everything he had for XRs, not just the. Vesc. I even got brand new Badger Rails out of the deal. Longer story shorter... Can I just order pre-wired components like the hall/foot sensor connectors? The reason I ask is because my power switch has 7 wires, yours has 3... I'm just looking to plug and play without destroying a 63V battery in the process. Thanks for making this video. Unfortunately I need more details if I am to use it because I don't know which wire to solder where on the power port alone... let alone each individual wire on the hall sensor and footpath sensor. If I can just buy these connectors, pre-wired, please let me know.
Very helpful tutorial. Thanks for the insights 🫡
The challenge for some riders without the tech expertise is not knowing the battery hookup side of the build. I have a JWXR extended battery with an OWIE chip and bms. I have no idea what to do about that part of the setup as far as hooking it all up for a finished rideable board. I think others like me just want a plug and play for both ends of the board. Thanks for your great video and content.
that's absolutely true and that's want I want come out next for everybody. Actually fungineers are going more and more into plug and play solutions. Keep your eyes open for upcoming releases on their side. VESC, Battery/BMS, Motor
@@VESCmann will do. Thank you again for sharing your knowledge.
These are the best explanations of setting on the internet!
So your telling me. Once I complete my diy build from makers pev. I can just plug everything in with my cbxr and don’t need to take my fm bms out or do anything to the battery. I can just plug in and ride after I set the tune
you have to remove, mod or replace the bms. If you bought the plug and play box I say yes. Should work right away. But still you should check the battery specs in vesc tool (63V).
@@VESCmann this is the same with the cbxr? I can run no bms till I get one? With a bigger battery?
i have setup my vesc using float package in vesc tool version 6. If i want to use your setting should i switch to balance app ?
no. you can just load my allround tune from the App Ui screen. refresh the tunes archive and try the different tunes
@@VESCmann Thanks mate. you are awesome. Just wondering you had set your PID to D=1300 and im wondering how to do that as i dont see it in motor cfg or float cfg?
@leonmok6283 it got redundant. some parameters have changed, also everything is described now on the float pkg help screens.
Hi! What is version of application you use? There isn't exist "IMU calibration..." in 6.2
there's now IMU setup on the start screen of the app. all steps are described within the calibration wizard
Great video! Although it is strongly suggested to place thin bushing washers between the MOSFETs and the lid/thermal pad (especially if you're mostly riding trails!). Without them, the FETs will slowly eat into the thermal pad material and ultimately make contact w/ the lid!
You would not believe how difficult it was to find a lid mount assembly video.
Dope music!!
Nice work. That deep forest looks so nice to ride
Smooth!!
20s battery?
Yes but no advantage on this trail
🔥🔥🔥 makes me wanna hit the trails!
What state is this baller trail in??
That's Europe brotha 😉
@@VESCmann awesome!! Thanks for representing across the pond , you rock😤🤘
Ride Hermes 😤🤘 Love the representation brotha💜
Bravo Hannes!!!!! Spacchi !!!!
Nice trail ;)
I'm on FW 6.0 with Float Package now, but it was still similar in menu structure, and it REALLY helped me understand the setting a lot more. thank you so much for Part 1 and 2!
When I calibrate the IMU I can never get the correct values. It seems to think my board is upside down? Been through many guides, but cannot figure this out. Also, my footpads do not work unless I install the float VESC package. I've started over a few times, followed Surfdado's guide, but am coming up short. I feel like I'm missing some small detail. Funny thing is I got it working when I first tried it, but now the IMU calibration is just....not working.
On fw 6.0 with float package you need to read and writte tthe default values for IMU first. App CFG - IMU - default After that you can follow the IMU wizard and set it up
Only tricky part was getting the phase wires routed so they don't interfere with the GIANT caps that are mounted vertically. These should have been mounted at a right angle . Really nice demonstration.
Hi, i followed your instructions but the board won’t turn on. It seems like you are using a stock XR battery harness, not a makerspev harness. Did you modify what’s in the battery box in any way? Is it still charge/discharge FM BMS?
There's no bms connected to the battery
@@VESCmann i think it will be helpful to pin a comment on top explaining this. It’s misleading to me as it’s not mentioned in the video and gives the idea that I can just buy a box and plug and play into a stock XR and expect it to work
Hey, Are you using stock battery wiring harness? Managed to get the flowglider fully assembled box in the latest drop but wondering if i also need to get their wiring harness. Cheers
It's the stock harness but no bms inside the battery box
@@VESCmann thanks for the reply. Sounds like i'll need to remove that BMS (and make sure I confirm polarity etc). Cheers
Great video! Can you talk about BMS and battery options for vesc newbies? How to configure charge only BMS? The videos i can find assume wayyy too much prior knowledge
I want to do it on this board using the stock battery and bms
Very well done. Thanks 😊
Riders, line up!
thanx dude
I'm new to this community and am researching all about the VESC world, can this fit onto a pint x or is it only geared to fitting a GT?
What battery currents do you recommend for the torque pack?
Anything from 30 to 90A. With lower values you're able to do nose drags and stuff and with values above 60 this it is getting harder or almost impossible depending on your settings
@@VESCmann appreciate you making these videos for us newbs
Amazing! That plug and play is what we were all waiting for. Thank you for understanding it all and sharing in such an easy way to start, definetly a game changer for onewheel history. There's no reason to not go VESC, I already took the train, soon will be VESCing too 💪🏻
Nicely explained and thorough, well done!✅
Thanks for your continued work with the VESC builds. Was super easy to use your videos and Surfdado and build a VESC easily no soldering. Anyone watching this. it is that easy.
This is a perfect example of why FM won’t go out of business. Show this video to a new rider and they’ll bounce so quickly, FM’s shaping so much more user friendly and out of the box simpler than this chaos I just watched.
That's true 😂 but for me it's much more fun! Btw you don't have to understand all this you can just ride the shape that's preloaded and your good. But you jave the possibility to dig deep if you like
A year later and it still looks the same, amazingly enough. I'm new to VESC and I'm surprised it's still this complicated. This looks like editing in an "Advanced Mode", I think they really need to make some simplifications for the casual user that adjust various groups of settings at once, which is what I'm betting FM does. For example rising the nose on a FM board probably changes quite a few settings, but it's all handled with a GUI graphic. Hopefully VESC gets that at some point.
Essential information, thank you Hannes 🔥🔥🔥 I just updated to Mitch's Magic Firmware and I'm really looking forward to tuning mine up.
Tell me you are not comfortable using hand tools, without telling me you're not comfortable using hand tools.
THANK YOU for this 🙏🙏🙏 Very much needed documentation that's easy to follow along 👌 Will future hardware packs from FlowGlider include those posts to mount the FOCer to the lid?
Mounting the FOCer on the lid is genius. My lid doesn’t have those mounting points, is it easy to retrofit those?
Yes. Just get that lid mount by flowglider and you can grind down these towers in your existing box to get more room for the wires
@@VESCmann Thanks, do you think I can retrofit the existing lid too?
Very clear and non intimidating to the non VESC users, similar picture guide from makerspev made me realize its not that hard to build one, great job. Most likely a camera perspective thing but your hands look HUUGE :)