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If u are not a pro wearing an entire racing kit….u look kinda silly. I’m just saying

600 to 1000 bucks is all you really need, get a good mechanic if you want your bike to feel good. these "online" direct to customer shops, DO NOT ship you a properly built up bike like you do at a LBS. Doesnt matter what bike you have IT NEEDS to be tunned up after the break in period or else it will feel like a 200$ bike.

fuck racing culture. you will get more performance from a bike that is solid. sure a ultra light bike might be faster when it is perfectly maintained and clean. but a bike build a bit more sturdy will ride better in all day training conditions. source: 15years as a full time bike messenger

bought a 2008 Kuota with Ultegra group set and rim breaks, total weight is 8,5kg - absolutely love this bike and will never sell it. Love that I can fix all of it myself.

Rather than using the covid boost for long term development, they thought the bubble was indefinite and refused to acknowledge it burst.

The Death of affordable Groupsets like the 11 speed R7000 105 was the beginning of the end. Manufacturers are so focused on making high tech wireless shyte thats costing them so much money to R&D so they have to overprice sell to make some money just to keep employees. Now here we are everything is overpriced. You can't buy cheap low end mechanical equipped bikes anymore that still offers performance. In Japan they make cheap steel bikes equipped with mechanical gruppos, those won't win tour de france its focused on urban riding and its selling really well there. Americans and Europeans has been brainwashed by all these World Tour races they can't accept bike without electronic gruppos anymore. I recently threw away my Red AXS and Dura Ace Di2 bikes and settled on a Tarmac 105 R7000 mechanical and never looked back. Life has been good without the dramas of dead battery, rusted wires and battery fallouts. I got the last SL6 Sport from the factory and happy with it.

Poor man complex? You can't afford something, so you hate it.

It's a pleasure to hear somebody put out a focused, in-depth, and well paced, non-rambling analysis / discussion ON ANYTHING. This is a mega-ego, elitist hobby / sport and it always will be.

And don't listen to the pronunciation police, say it how ever the hell you want!!!

What about carbon underwear?

Local shops are going under because of youtube lets be honest. Bike shops are a humiliation ritual. Expensive, slow, elitist. Thanks to youtube, I can just do it myself in less time than it takes to drive it to the bike shop.

I ride a bike everywhere. I never pay more than $100.00 for a bike, always a used one, and I do my own maintenance and repairs. Even a "low end" bike at $2500.00 seems like nothing but thief-bait to me.

Where do we start.... Trying to re-invent the wheel (literally) forcing consumers to buy new bikes because all of a sudden, 26" wheels and frames with 135mm dropouts and straight steerers are barely supported! There's no conspiracy, it was almost as if prices of bikes went through the roof overnight and the choice of parts to upgrade and keep the old bikes going disappeared. Need a new set of forks? Oh, you'll need a new frame! Buy a new frame, you'll need new wheels... Want to swap forks? Oooops, it's not boost and tapered.... Oh shucks, it's the wrong offset too! A group of aging industry w@nkers have destroyed it, in a little less than two decades.

All of this.... every minute of it..... extremely well said... Having been in the cycling world, in a very serious way, since the 1970's. I see this as being so true.

What a great video and you are sooo right!! I'm so glad you pointed out the snobbery of the cycling culture. I ride with a bunch of ragtag old school dudes that can hold their own and we just love giving the smack down to the snobby fashion riders. Furthermore, when I was a kid, my Flemish, electrician father would take me out on rides and it didn't matter if I had a banana seat it was all about pumpin those peddles. Again, thanks for the video, I'm a fan for life.

I had a sweet Everton tour de France racer from 1996, when it was all worn, I looked into new parts. But they were so expensive I ended up buying a "new" cheap off-brand bike.. Im still pissed it wasnt "worthwhile" to keep the old one on the road..

What's killing the industry? a corporate greed in form of: - UCI (why 2/3 of bikes have to be UCI certified?! wtf... I don't need pro-level gear!) - proprietary components (seatposts, stems etc.) that should be common - Gazylions standards (can't wait for another BB standard :) ) - short longevity by design, for example: try to buy a chainring for older cranksets (good luck!), 12-13 speed drivetrains etc. - Constant introduction of new technologies for the sake of introducing new technologies to drive bikes sales (mentioned 12 speed drives, hookless rims etc.) and which are less reliable so that user has to buy replacement sooner - more and more complex builds so that user can't repair the bike themselves (integrated everything, batteries and electronics everywhere). Plus, a bunch of maniacs who think that they can't ride a bike with newest tech... That said, here in Poland we have such a big boom for bikes that local bike shops are doping really well, so, there's that! Wiggle and other UK shops are killed by Brexit. We used to buy lot's of stuff from UK until it was in EU.

Nah, it's the cyclists' fault... most people I know who do cycling regularly are obsessed with weight reduction, carbon fibre, etc... even if they don't compete. Most people don't understand you shouldn't buy the bicycle of the pros if you are not a pro; they just spend thousands of euros to save 500g on their bicycle because that is what pros are doing. The problem is that consumers often want what they perceive as the best instead of what is enough for their needs... It is the customers' fault, not the big brand's fault.

A cheap car used to be $20k not too long ago but now you would be hard pressed to find many under $35k. Everyone is jumping on the ‘double the price’ band wagon.

Great video! Thank you so much. I own a Kona honky tonk. It’s my every day commuter bike. A simple steel frame with a few upgrades now (brooks saddle, 105 groupset). Bought it roughly 12 years ago for £600. I own other bikes with high end expensive carbon frames. The Kona honky tonk is my favorite by a long way.

I was a late comer to cycling. I always loved riding a bike, but there’s a local chain of bike shops that I won’t go to because they can credibly be accused of gatekeeping, as I experienced it first hand. I’m a middle aged, gainfully employed divorced guy with money to spend on bikes and bike parts. You treat me like an a$$hole, I’m never coming back. Thankfully, the one store in my area that didn’t close recently is a Trek store. I’ve found those guys to be very helpful and accommodating. They’ve even worked on two of my bikes that aren’t Treks. I’ll happily go back there for my biking needs instead of the store that sounds like “Pitchardson Bike Fart.”

$3500 is already just a ripoff. Dumb people are willing to buy those products and keep those prices high. Ridiculous. Best Shimano gear just ran 2.5 years here. Repair was very expensive. Never getting Shimano again.

China is here to save the day

people who kicks or throw a ball for fun gets paid millions of dollars :D as long as someone is willing to pay, that is the fair price :D quit paying for it, the price will go down..

100 dollars for a saddle is not a great price. Not even if its made of titanium and organic goat leather - or something similar. It costs probably less than 10 dollars to produce, so where do those 90 end up. And magazines are now classifying bikes as middle class for money that can buy me a motorcycle. Total madness!

Getting real sick of trek buying out all the successful bike shops (this is why i recommend shops find an alternative to lightspeed so they can spy on your finances), i've been in shops that have been bought out, they say they'll keep the original staff that made it great but out of a 40 employee 3 location shop within a year 2 people remained from original staff. Meanwhile specialized is setting up shops without their name on them pretending to be local bike shops.

Good club bikes are now so expensive, there is no need for electronic shifting or disc brakes for most people. Sure if you live in the Alps maybe but for most people

Your correct ❗️

You can buy two brand new motorcycles for $14,000.

$14,000 for a basic normal peddle bike is cute lmao 🤣🤣. For $14,000 can literally buy 14 Ebikes that would be much more enjoyable to ride. A basic peddle bike shouldn't be more than $200 bucks.. If a bike doesn't have a motor shouldn't be more than $200 bucks.. Heck you can get a basic peddle bike from Walmart for $150 bucks. Doesn't matter what peddle bike you get, they all only work by peddling them and get you places all the same.

we need to get out and ride and enjoy ourselves. to feel good each day. Look for the two or three year old bike that is on closeout or has been discontinued. Good video Dobbs Cycle

I ride a 2003 Cannondale CAAD5 with original 105 groupset. it is great.

i think his audio guy needs to be fired...the echo just makes the video unwatchable :((

They don’t even want to fix your bikes anymore . Smdh

Hi 🖐️ I snapped my femoral head off my femur in September in a crash and couldn’t walk for three months. It was my third fracture on a bike, after my shoulder and collarbone. As a father of two kids, I can’t justify the danger any longer. The Zwift ride frame has given me so much cycling freedom back and a fractional cost with virtually no maintenance. It’s a game changer!

How can anyone butcher Rapha’s name 😅 08:37

If you have any jiggly bits whatsoever and a w/kg less than 5, you don’t need anything above entry carbon or 105. For kits, pearl izumi and black bibs is great for the price.

People think you need cycling shoes. People think you need lycra. People think you need SAFETY HELMETS for heaven's sake. To ride a bicycle! No wonder cycling is going out of fashion. The entire market has been flooded by absolute cunts. The cycle market is fine in Holland by the way.

ill tell you why i no longer go to my LBS straight up and i used to go to them like 2 or 3 days a week go to everyone in town and look for some new thing one day i couldnt get an XT cassette , then i couldnt get anything except a silver black or like maybe blue pedal i got my bike back with the caliper and air chamber both loose, and the fork service damaged my rod to boot one place lost my skewers when i had a truing done, one place torqued my carbon bike to aluminum specs and cracked the frame one place i brought in the pedal, the pin, the exact thread and pitch , and they still managed to sell me the wrong pins for pedals thier prices are like completly out of whack from any online seller or website by sometimes 50-100% up.. and expect me to wait 2 or 3 weeks for them to order it for themselves i can go on, but there it is, thast why i dont go and o all my own servicing and purchase everything online

I dont know - I was riding for over 20 years and over 300.000km ( just for fun - no competion but doing stuff like 24h races, everesting etc ) I started with 500€ bikes and it was fun. I was riding pro bikes for >10K and it was fun. you dont need high end bikes. at the end it is your personal training that matters. I stopped riding cause I dont want to spent 40-50h a week on a bike any longer and now I only own a 500€ mtb and just bought a used bmx for 100 bucks and have my fun. cheers..

I'm riding a 1993 Cannondale 2.8 with Columbus carbon forks. All 10 sp components. regularly smoke many other riders. There's 65 year old with a steel bike that smokes everybody - rides 13,000 km a year. I did find a 2017 Cannondale SuperSix HM frame for $900 and I run aluminum wheels because rim brakes heat up carbon rims and blow tubes and rims on long, hard descents. Guess they didn't tell Chris Froome that until later. :) Anyways not bad for what was a $8500 bike in 2017 - so that is one strategy for the middle class - just pick up the detritus from the tsunami of planned obsolescence. Marketing has taken over cycling. I got into it because it was a middle class sport. Upper class did F1 autos. Now it takes some doing to keep it middle class. I just can't let go of that heroic inspiration of earlier cycling. Also, I don't want to carry a torque wrench while riding - so that I can make cockpit adjustments on the fly. i.e. no carbon bars. bad when you lose your dropout below the lever clamp. oh yeah, I got two pairs of gloves on Ali Express, and a top branded jersey for $30.

You can buy chinese carbon frames that are better than any S-works model for a fraction of the price

im laughing at the "backed up by a local shop with free repairs," thing. Inb4 someone takes it in and ope actually that part isn't covered by the warranty so thatll be $500 for parts and $800 for labor, it will be ready next month.

The bike industry is doing what every other industry - with its investors and shareholders and boards and CEOs - does: prey onto your insecurities to turn your money into theirs. That's who that $14,000 bike is for: the insecure dentist/executive/trust fund baby whose _real_ passion is to talk about how great their new $14,000 bike is to his country club mates and other, bemused cyclists, whose bemusement the insecure SOB will mistake for envy.

i live in the bay area and trust me when I say that there is a market for $14k road bikes lol

I bought one the day it came out. It took about a week to get. I was in the market for a trainer. I am brand new to the world of cycling indoors (and cycling in general). My current bike is a Trek 7.2 from 2014 (about 600 miles this summer). I was looking at a couple of different choices. The smart bikes were all in the $3k+ range. That is a little "spicy", but plausible. A Wahoo Kickr seemed like what I wanted to go with, but using my own bike seems like a PITA. I live on the 33rd floor and my bike is stored in the bike room on the bottom floor. Then I saw a few of the influencers talking about this and it looked like it was perfect for me. Being locked into Zwift seems to be the only negative, but if I needed to, I could get a gear set and mount it on to the Kickr. I only have 5.5 hours on it so far (chest cold right after it arrived), but so far so good. It does not wake my wife up in the room next to it. You are right about the tool. Just a 5mm hex key, but being able to store it at the bike makes it easier for my wife and I to share.

Shopping locally is a great idea, especially of you want to pay 1.5x the RRP. Say what you want but I just don't have enough motivation to shell out more cash for something that can be bought pnline cheaper and in a few clicks. Then there's always something that's mot in stock and with local shops and you have to wait for them to essentially do what you'd do and order online from their dealers. And then there are shops that just plainly try to rip you off. Happened to me right after moving to Copenhagen, when everyone cycles, but apparently has no clue how vikes work. Came with a loose pedal and got a 600eur bill for a crank, cassette, BB etc. Like wtf?

I'm lucky enough to have a Trek shop about four blocks from my house. They service any and all bikes of all price tiers. Most adjustments or tweaks are made without charge. All the folks know my name, ask where I've been riding and really just want people to get out and ride. I can't speak for all the other corporate shops but I couldn't be happier with my local Trek shop.

Probably the reason why the bike industry is going down the pan because when lockdown started the bike industry made a glut of bikes they got greedy so when lockdown eased the bikes lost their value and people stopped buying and started selling them

You are so right in every point...Raffa and Specialized are the most prominent examples of a critical development in bike industry.