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Urza's story is proof of how the lore used to be based on way more intelligent and morally complex media and how WotC didn't understimate the players' ability to engage with it. At some point, they decided to dumb down the whole product and stay away from anything more complex than a Marvel movie.

Urza is utilitarian to a point that is uncomfortable for most normal people. Especially, y'know, everyone on Argoth.

I'm glad I finally brought you around on this

Your presentation is really, *really* irritating, especially the tempo. I was interested to learn your views but this is deal breaker. Why do you mutilate your content like this? Let me tell you the truth, you have no talent for acting. It sounds terrible. It really does. And to add insult to injury, it's painfully slow. If you have something interesting to say, say it with your normal voice and at normal speed. You'll get much further with that.

It's easy to diminish Urza's decision ,when you only need to nerf Phyrexian's, girl with plot armor and one wizard who first runs away and then comes back with The One attitude. Happy ending, boring child's story. Phyrexian's are like Mythos in H. P. Lovecraft novels, you win or you cease to exist.

I don't agree. Urza was a monster, illustrated by the fact that he 'solved' a moral dilemma by recruiting someone he knew would betray them and, instead of acting prior to the betrayal, allowed the traitor to kill multiple of their strongest allies. After all this, he wasn't even willing to use the weapon he set this whole thing up to power. He may have saved Dominaria, he may not match Yawgmoth's sadistic evil, but don't mistake that for heroism. His cruelty may have been from indifference, but it was cruelty all the same. He was just a mad god who happened to be playing on Dominaria's side.

Urza is the hero Dominaria needed but didn't want to have

We're you talking about Urza or about CEDH players I can't tell. 😅

You're wrong, but I respect your audacity.

Its really easy to complain about someone when you're alive. Its a hell of a lot harder when you're dead. Or a Phyrexian.

Urza was a tragic dark hero. Without him the entire multiverse would've been taken over by the phyrexians. I think people don't understand what drove him to do what he did. The books really do a good job giving you a new view point

It's surprising to see how many people think of Urza as some sort of monster. His character embodies the cost of war and what it takes to stop an enemy who is truly unfeeling, soulless and without any shred of humanity. He saw their measures and he hated what he had to do, but unfortunately felt as though he needed to fight fire with fire using the Metathran, Karn and the Legacy Weapon. He was harsh and manipulative, but in the end he understood that one could not be a fence sitter when faced with a foe who had no interest in bargaining or preservation.

I love urza as a character, I remember once when he was showing the plans for the whether light they tell him it sucks and he goes on a tantrum. Just finished my commander deck with him yesterday

Yeah, The guy desperate, broken And afraid. You want to be mad at the guy cause he destroyed places beyond repair but many of the people alive were because of his intervention. He did what he did Not because he wanted to but because he had to to survive Despite looking for alternatives.

Urza would have used the cylex on new phyrexia and saved us all from the lame story of march of the machine

Same as he is both protagonist and antagonist, he is also victim and villain.

Absolutely nailed it. Urza's story is interesting precisely *because* he wasn't an obvious, clean-cut hero. He was the ultimate pragmatist, fuelled by and battling against oscillating sanity, hubris, and guilt. The archetypal unthinking thinker. He was a mess who initially just wanted to bathe his intellect in the patterns of machines and later, occasionally hang out with Tawnos. He did a LOT of stupid and questionable stuff as both mortal and planeswalker, and spent a few thousand years chasing solutions to his own mistakes. But he was also an absolute indictment of the passive attitude/obliviousness of most of Dominaria in the face of an existential threat. The bio on the official Magic Story page is an embarrassment..."While perhaps the Phyrexians would have destroyed Dominaria without his intervention, Urza trampled upon countless lives in his pursuit of vengeance." Perhaps?! Engage with the nuances of your own story yo! I totally understand that he'd be a jaw-dropping villain for modern Dominarians, or, you know, real people who haven't dug into the lore much. Eugenics programme?! Absolute emotional constipation?! The brokenness of the Urza's block?!!! He wasn't a cool or 'good' guy, and he had no ability to form healthy human relationships of any kind. But he was all Dominaria had, which was about the best and worst news the plane could get. Most of us are neither heroes nor villains. Or we're both. Urza took that to the nth degree. Thought experiment: what should Urza have done differently, or done better to defeat Yawgmoth? There's plenty (and I mean plenty) to interrogate in terms of ethics and morals, but his victory was contingent on quite a lot of what he did...

As one who knew him, he may not have been a villain, but he was quite a prick.

Can't agree more with you. Like other franchises (SW) they retconned, humiliated and warped the figure of a powerful man, in this case Urza, ignoring the fact that most of the lore of the Multiverse (even today) is built upon his shoulders. Now, is cursed, even questioned as artificer (by Saheeli, for example). Now we have Jace with a Furby and planes condensed in five short stories and one set. It's ridiculous.

I will give him props for creating the Legacy, he had vision beyond his deeds and his life.

He was absolutely based. But him giving into Yawgmoth was incredibly stupid.

Urza isn’t a villain sure. But he’s definitely the kind of character that the Doctor would chastise for not bothering to find a better way to resolve a conflict. 😅

Both the brothers were inherently flawed but when faced with yawgmoth, gix, and the phyrexians, one stood on business while the other folded

Pragmatism Ursa's legacy

The abyss stared back and he said bet.

I think that Urza did his best to prevent the coming Phrexian invasion, but at the same time he justified way too easily his actions with the greater good. He succeeded, but perhaps he could have been a bit more careful

It certainly doesn't help that the New Phyrexian Invasions have also undermined the necessity of Urza's actions. You have to believe that the New Phyrexians were just really incompetent, despite having whatever 12 years is in multiverse time to prepare their attack. That, or assume the defenders and Gatewatch were effortlessly better than Urza, a Godlike genius.

A victim of the self

URZA APOLOGIST! Sliver Zionists run big potion!

If only urza was a strong female instead he wouldn't have to struggle and instead unleash his inner god like ability that just win and beat the phyrexians in the blink of an eye.

I don’t universe beyond is a bad either. I like certain sets because they were fun to play and fit the magic the gathering format, but not every beyond set fits like a glove, however magic the gathering have become like Fortnite which is a bad thing. Nothing wrong to have crossovers time to time make sure it isn’t the main focus.

Hello Mr loreseeker, what music do u use on these shorts. I would like to add it to my repertoir.

Maybe they eat color mana because they want colorless mana, they eat knowing that they will never truly be satisfied 😮

But Loooore, now can have Drizzt fight against Megatron! Isn't that a childhood dream come true?

Dies to removal - Bam, you vomit up diamonds. Pitches into Force - Bam, you vomit up diamonds. UB is good for the game - you guessed right, you vomit up diamonds 😂

I mean, you're not wrong. Then again, the first time I saw your War of the Spark video, my first thought was, "wait a second, there's an actual story?". So this kind of thing from WOTC isn't exactly a surprise.

One of the best spark lit lore wise unlike exciting girls finding something cool.

If the title of Kha can be found both among Naya's tribes and Mirrodin's pride, can we speculate that Memnarch uses the soul traps for capture the first leonids from Alara??

Did we ever find out who killed his brother?

Would be interesting to see what storyline would WotC recycle next currently Duskmourn is starting to sound like mirrodin just change the plane chainging/ corrupting oil with a demon, change rescuing Karn to rescuing Nashi change the lineup of the Planeswalkers that would be the rescue party heck I wouldn't be surprised if the demon in the story is some kind of phyrexian demon.

Kamigawa had monks. Monks are cool.

Ok i was literally about to type, "hang on, this is just kamigawa" and then your punchline hit!