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Everyone who thinks ww2 tanks are for static "sniper spots" needs to type "anti tank gun" into Google, print it, then slap themselves with the picture until they realise how stupid they sound

We just need anti radiation missiles now

what we need is actual good missions. No more 16v16 furball garbage. We need scenarios and setups that incentivise good gameplay

I would have it at around 25-35 meters as it's semi realistic but not eating the deck. Most ground levels are about 55-65 feet.

"MuLtIpAtHiNg Is ToO StRoNg" Meanwhile me getting hit by a missile coming while attempting to notch and chaff at 100m and still getting hit

With multipathing on this scale we have, all matches end up in furballs the community is tired of. With multipathing nerfed we end up in pure BVR jousting? Lets see... i welcome the change. I dont feel like we will be forced into BVR match ups, you will have to fly lower, sure.

4:04 fyi that fox 3 was never going to hit that target; you can see on the radar display that your missile’s predicted range based on relative velocity was nowhere near enough. the radar hud is actually pretty helpful these days

It's honestly kind of a balancing dillema. this meta does allow for a guaranteed way of countering and not participating in radar missile combat, but also fucks a bunch of planes made for this. A good example is the F-4J vs the J-7E. In the current meta, the J-7E will pretty much always win against the F-4J because, even though the F-4J has amazing standoff capability with it's missiles, that's pretty useless if the enemy plane just deckhugs and forces the merge.

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It SOULD NOT be removed. It SHOULD be reduced. In fact, 50m still isn’t correct. It should be around 20m, which is the minimum altitude of the R-27 IRL. In fact depending on the surface, like over water, even the AIM-7M, is 5m. That 20m of the R-27 is a combination of multipath and ground clutter, the latter of which isn’t really modeled fully. If that makes the gameplay loop unbearable, that’s a fault of Gaijin’s poor gameplay design, and nothing else. Maybe 16v16 and TDM is a poor excuse for a complete game. Give us some variety, make an effort, Gaijin.

Hard disagree

50 meters is a good change, 100 meters was really overdoing it, but lowering it even lower would make radar missiles too overbearing,

Welcome to why I Hate Air RB. I rather play Ground Sim with my plane just because spotting mechanic. And the only reason to play Air RB is for new planes and they modification. Could be negated by adding passive RP gain like for the Helicopters.

another L take

Multipathing the way it is now has to go. All top tier jets are getting fox3s that are some what close in range. R27er would be better then those in terms of range and speed, but youl be very volnorable when guiding those to the target. R27er is much better then r77. The r77 is significantly slower and draggier at low and medium altitudes, r27er would remain the main caliber of su27 and mig29s. I would shoot r77 when I have to go defencive, when there are 2 and more ppl rather close to me. Also r77 could be used as close range missile. Amraams, r-darters would be keeping their speed much better then r77. Those missiles are significantly dangerous at 10-15 km, distance of engagement must increace. If multipathing stays the same, it would be absurd. Everyone would fly even lower and flying high will get even more punishable. Learn to adopt new strategies, multipathing is a get out of jail free card, it shouldn't be like that.

First off, good video. While I'm not at the BR where I have to think about this stuff it's still informative. Second, Constructive criticism: Try to reduce the amount of pauses in your speech so it feels like everything flows more smoothly together, try reading your script (or getting a script) a few times before hand, rerecord if needed. Just try and make the flow feel a bit better. Good job.

Again, most people who talk about “removing” multipathing aren’t actually arguing for it to be removed- they’re arguing for it to be changed. What they want is to remove the ease of dodging every radar guided missile. Flying low to avoid missiles shouldn’t so be easy. That’s it. That’s the argument.

Imagine a dcs mig 21 wiggle in war thunder, just imagine

It's going to be so funny planes that don't have chaff and you can't really fly low and you only have Aim9L hahaha that's going to be a fun grind

It reminds me of all the people that want to increase time to kill in all these f****** games where it's already hard enough to hit somebody when everyone is jumping around. And if you can land every headshot then time to kill isn't really an issue

I have a bad feeling some of these people are cheating and they know where the missiles are and they know when to start doing the thing you got to do and they're pissed that they can't just f****** kill everyone and then Dodge every f****** missile. So if you take away multi-pathing they can kill you and you'll never kill them unless they let you cuz they'll already be defending against you and you won't even know where they are

I think this is the perfect thing to put in a playtest on the live server. See what the playerbase thinks. I have mixed feelings about it, because personally top tier gameplay has become incredibly stale for me. I think ive just pretty much mastered it, and im sick of playing my fourth generation fighter jets the same way I used MiG 15s and F86s like 9 years ago. I think SOMETHING needs to change, and multipathing is likely where to start. Whether it should be reduced as much as it has been, or if it should even be changed this patch, I dont know. Gaijin has confirmed that eventually they intend to add fifth generation figjters. For example, the F22 was limited to two AIM 9Ms as far as Fox 2 kit goes, for most of its life. I think that Gaijin has reached a point where their lack of ambition and creavity in changing and improving Air RB, will cause top tier to be a pretty pathetic sight. The community has been asking for smaller teams, alternate objectives, more airbases, RB EC, and much more for AGES. Should all player ideas be implimented? No, of course not. But is such widespread dissatisfaction a sign that something must change? Yes. Despite this, Gaijin has done nothing but encourage people to basebomb their way to top tier, learn nothing, and fly into a furball over and over again without an ounce of thought.

Not reducing or removing the Multipathing removes the skill level of players. They will just hug the ground and hugging the ground is no skill. Removing it will improve the gameplay and increase the skill level of players. Now that we don't have the PESA or AESA radars yet, the Multipath should be removed completely until these radars come into the game. We must allow players to learn how to notch, dodge and have awareness against these missiles.

Your arguments are literally just skill issue

What I keep hearing is that multipathing is good because taking it away would remove the giant furball in the dead center of the map and require gaijin to lower player counts? Because the only thing I have experienced of it in game are letting gaijin get away with game not fixing air rb.

I swear this is not a copypasta: Your videos are awesome. Although you tend to talk about dense topics, you manage to combine talking tempos and wisdom in a way that is unmatched by any other WT's CC. Keep up the good work, and thanks for educating this feral community.

It should either be realistic, or they should have it meant for balance. The aim 7m the aim 54 should both have next to no multipathing

the way i see it is multipathing should only work if you are literally getting grass stains on the bottom of ur plane. it should be more of a gimmick that saves ur life maybe once in a blue moon. in dcs, where the gameplay loop is many many times better than what we have in war thunder, multipathing is a gimmick, and people do not have clusterfuck dogfights in the middle of the map with their 4+ gen aircraft with high maneuverability missiles. this is how it should be in war thunder, if you get within your enemies minimum abort range (MAR) then you deserve to die. this will benefit the game imo because then veteran players like myself will be able to shit on all these 12 year olds who full send it to the nearest base in their f4s. bad players who dont understand the game will be forced to learn the games mechanics like everyone else and will raise the skill cap. im sorry but anyone who is in support of multipathing is just simply wrong. sidenote: i believe that air rb is fundamentally flawed and needs to be completely reformed or replaced since the way it currently works is very confusing and at times unfair, i believe air rb ec would help newer players learn at their own pace since the match will last 3 hours, not 5 minutes

Still dont get why you arent more popular

They probably testing tho dw

When multi-pathing takes every advantage of heavy fighters away and buffs rat planes like the Gripen, it should be modified at the least.

Multipathing is why i stopped playing. Having to fly on tree tops isn't fun, and getting half of your weaponry made useless also isn't fun.

and why this is the besT?

I’m wonder how their going to add fox 3s to planes that are already in the game it feels a little bit careless to me

As an Italy main, I was SUPER happy to see the Leopard 2A7HU in the dev stream, and it'll be cool to eventually unlock the JAS 39EBS HU C to get a proper top-tier fighter with FOX-3. However, I'm disappointed by something. We know the Hungripen is getting AIM-120s, and we know the AV-8B is getting them too. Not one mention of the F-16A, a jet that currently has a fudged loadout instead of its historical one, which is the AIM-120 (B, I think?) and the AIM-9L/I-1. I genuinely thought that was going to be the most no-brainer change for Italy in this update. It's literally the one and only top-tier fighter I have researched and spaded, yet it appears to be the only one not getting updated. The F-16C, Barak II, and the new Belgian F-16A are all getting their missiles, so why not Italy's?

the aim120 is currently busted it can do a 180 and still track to kill aeroturtle did a vid on it

Everytime i tell people about the aam 4 having the ability to lock on a target without giving the enemy a missile warning nobody's believed me. They all say all fox 3s can do that since the 80-90s. Bro they're talking about tws lock im talking about how the missile seeker lock. At first thought maybe what i read was fake, then i decided to use a vpn in Japan and look it up, It was all in Japanese so i translated. I found 3 different websites all the 3 did mention that it does have the ability and when i tried to screenshot as proof it would'nt let me. Now that i found this video and u mentioned it i know i am not alone. Thank you for explaining, u are my evidence

cool video i like the hebrew yappin

When i liked it went from 3.0 to 3.1 your welcome

centurion: the most useless tank in existance

The Centurion and Vijayanta (Vickers Mbt) are very famous in India for absolutely mowing down Pakistani Patton tanks in multiple wars

History of the Leopards would be nice Full dive into the start all the way to the current day.

This is some 2010 unrelated gameplay with no visual aids ahh commentary video 💀

Movie?

What video was used in the first few minutes?

Is that a hyucking KENDRICK LAMAR REFERENCE in the description 😱

What nation is the ef2000 from in War Thunder

Ok mate

wait why does his minimap show all the enemies? ive been playing wt for 12 years never seen it hack acusations?

when your 84mm apds round stops on a wirbelwinds track.... mmmmm yes, realism