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As for the Iroquois PS13 engines, they were well into development, just not quick enough for the first 5 Avro Arrows and why RL25206 was designated the first of the next-generation Avro Arrow to work with one. The PS13 had a total of 5,000 ground hours which also included being attached to a B-47 American Bomber or designated by Canadair a CL-52, but also had thousands of hours testing components at the Nobel Facility near Parry Sound. No One knows for sure, but the Mk-2 Avro Arrows were a tad larger than its predecessors and could have possibly built that way to accommodate the added HP of Thrust that the Iroquois produced. Just so you know, there were supposed to be 3-PS13 Iroquois engines. Series 1 would have gone into RL25206 to RL25210, the Series-2 may have gone into RL25211 to at least RL25220 and the Series-3 Iroquois would have gone into RL25221 to RL25237. Each Series would have been stronger than the last, If anyone told you that the Series-1 PS13 Iroquois was double that of the Pratt & Whitney J75s (JT4A), then you were fed misinformation. The Series-1 was 3 to 4 thousand pounds of thrust stronger than the J75s.

The Avro Arrow was originally to have 2 aircraft built and tested. Then the request came for another 16 and then another 19 for a total of 37 Avro Arrows. The first set was RL25201 to RL25205 and was deemed over time to be Prototypes with the P&W J75, and she few pretty good. But they were also known as the Mk-1s or 1st Generation Avro Arrow. Now a lot of people believed that RL25206 was to fly, but she was actually designated for ground testing with the PS13s or Iroquois engines. It was RL25207 that was to take flight. It is hard to say whether RL25206 would have flown, but for the foreseeable future, RL25206 was grounded. Each Arrow would require 1,000 hours of testing before being released. But the first 5 had less than 100 hours in total, with RL25205 only getting in 45 minutes of flight time. RL25206 and up to at least RL25237 were designated as Mk-2s or 2nd Generation Avro Arrows, and would have had the PS13 Iroquois engines. But from what I read, to RL25215, would have been the MK-2s and RL25216 to RL25237 would have become the Mk-3s with very possibly the Series-2 or Series-3 Iroquois engines.

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Other then trying to keep the story in proper sequence, I truly enjoyed the work you and your crew put into it. I and a buddy rode our peddle bikes from Scarborough to Malton to see what we could. We saw the B47 with the test Iroquois on the backside. Then we rode over to the fence were we could see the nose of the Arrow poking out of the factory door. That was the moment that made the ride across the top of the city worth every second. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You for the work that you put into this great story.

What could have been.

Firstly I'd like to thank you for doing this. I'm not as old as you and those who were involved in this but I remember hearing about the Arrow for the first time in the 1970s when I was a teenager and I was hooked, and wondered what would have come to pass if it had not been destroyed in the biggest act of industrial vandalism in Canadian history. I watched each of the episodes with anticipation and wondered what it would be like if this concept was given to a screenwriter and film maker and turned into a treatment for a limited series. The Arrow still holds a place in the hearts and minds of many who are younger than those who were alive when Diefenbaker ordered it cancelled, and this is evident by all the Arrow social media groups and Arrow heads across the country. I would also like to direct you to the last image at the bottom of this blog post which was an imaginary concept for what a Gen. 4++++ or Gen. 5 Arrow might have looked like. theviewfromhere-fareedkhan.blogspot.com/2020/12/Sweden-can-teach-Canada-how-to-build-a-fighter-jet-for-its-own-air-defence-needs.html I would love to get your thoughts or that of any of the others who were involved in this video project.

Lol!!! F-35's shot down by MIG 31's??? Not with that early eighties technology lol!!! The TU-60 White Swan??? A high altitude non stealth bomber AGAIN utilizing the BEST technology 1985 has to offer lol!!! A couple of F-22 Raptors would've been sent up and shot that whole gaggle of mid-eighties airpower down BVR and they all would've died without ever knowing who, what or where their destruction came from lol!!! Debris scattered all over the Canadian arctic woulda made great souvenirs for local natives lol!!!

Hi Virtual, Just checking in I hope you're having a wonderful 2023! I've been reading through the questions/answers that you've posted on Quora and I must say the research that you bring to the table is very excellent and very well written, so my hat off to you! While I do find some things about Arrow on Quora to questioning as well, I feel that Reddit is probably far worse alot of misconceptions and myths about the CF-105 seem to get tossed around there and it is such a mess, perhaps that site could also use some of you're excellent knowledge on the subject matter. Cheers! -Noah.

What could of been . If only ...

I'd love to see a real Arrow do that to the Russian navy and send them on special underwater operations too

The series is great, thank you very much for putting together the pieces and sharing with us the story of the great program of Avro arrow Canada. Watching from Tanzania 🇹🇿🇹🇿🙏🙏🤔

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The US always does this. Bombardier finally finished a heavily tax payer funded passenger jet. Had sale contracts with I believe United airlines. Boeing got Trump to impose illegal aluminum tariffs on Canada. There was no legitimacy for Boeings claim of competition. They don't build a compatible air craft. Canadian was hurting due to the tariffs. Bombardier tried to salvage the sale and end the illegal aluminum tariffs imposed on Canada by teaming up with Airbus and guaranteeing addional production in the US instead of only 8n Canada. Terms were agreeded... force by the would superpower. Then the US government changed there minds again. End result... Airbus bought out Bombardier jetliner. Conclusion, US doesn't like competition and uses its economic power to buy out or destroy competition. Canada, again, out billions and aerospace industry set back. So much of free trade. Don't get me started on softwood lumber. The US government and industry doesn't want Canada making things. The just want our raw resources... Also don't get me started on Ontario's sale of discounted electricity and the discount sale of oil from Alberta. We should not have free trade with the US.

I always felt that what really hurt with the Arrow cancellation was the attempt to replace it with less than adequate weapons. The BOMARC was only effective with a nuke, and could not be deployed in Europe to meet our NATO commitments. The Voodoo was only effective with a nuclear tipped Genie. The Starfighters were deployed as a strike aircraft in Europe, a role that they weren’t really designed for, and F-5’s were not really useful anywhere. Had they even purchased the F-4’s, which were becoming available in the early 60’s, they would have at least had a decent multi role aircraft.

Always love your vids 👍

hi i know you finished the sarga but please make more it was one of the best you tube chaneles out there and i looked forwards to every episode

Thanks for posting, Virtual. It's great to see the Arrow still making news so many years later, we can all hope that at least one survived.

The American Military Industrial Complex was Involved BAC TSR-2 AND Avro Arrow, and the results were the Same.

The Arrow sure left it’s mark 👍

Would have been a brilliant interdictor ... !!

The whole story was really great and nice to know about the arrow which isn't widely know about. Great job man and thanks the story we all now know.

When i see the pride in the Brazilian people with their Super Tuscano(rightfully so I might add, very cool plane), I can’t help but wonder what might’ve been? What innovations would’ve come after all this time had Avro become a player in the world scene? How many excited scientists and engineers filled with confidence would have stayed here in Canada and who knows what that would bring? Diefenbaker wasn’t at all thinking the big picture. We’ll never know where our nation would be.

Another copy? The idea might be redundant.

btw answered your question on the closer ... and popped over here to sub and ding a bell

Thank you very much for this series. It has been one that I have followed for years and eagerly waited for new episodes. I am an American, live in Maine but am an avid Arrowhead. I love story of the Arrow and am sad that the original plane was cancelled then scrapped. I love this series as it answers the question of the legend of, "the Arrow that got away." Also in how advanced ans useful the Arrow would be today. Loved the series and loved the F-35 lines about how they don't work too well! Blessing and thanks again! Glad the memory of the Arrow lives on 63 years later and into the future! :)!

The Saga of the Arrow is near and dear to my heart... as my father was one of the people that worked on her. As I too am nearing 70, I have made sure that my children know of this Canadian Story, so this achievement of Canada will not be forgotten. I salute your efforts in bring us this story, as it also tells the story of our men and women in the military, one I know well after serving for 27 years myself...and that is.. Never Ever count Canada out, to those that do.. we will surprise you... we always have persevered.. and always will.. it is who we are.... again Bravo Zulu for you and your team

A fitting end to a great series. Thanks for bringing the story to life

Thanks so much for this series, Virtual! Definitely got the feels and some CDN pride! All the best.

Finished my career in the CF in Ottawa supporting the CH113/113A SAR helicopter fleet. Many trips to Arnprior as Boeing had a sizeable plant there & had the contract for depot level maintenance on the venerable Vertol helicopters. All gone now too sadly. Thanks for the very entertaining saga..... ;-).

Great episode. I for one am glad that you met all those people, that were able to assist you. I truly appreciate your work and hope that the Avro Arrow is never forgotten. I’ll drop a like on the other channel as well.

Part 1 was awesome. I’ll drop a like on your other channel as well.

I will never forgive the government of the day for killing this part of our growth as a nation. We will remember.

Wow what a surprise video was not expecting one. But what a good way to end it. THANK YOU for the whole series. Great job thanks.

You made a pandemic pass in the blink of an eye and made this Canadian south of the border proud. Well down and thank you!!

A most excellent homage to the spirit of our nation and a tribute to the memory of the Arrow. 'Virtual' I am just a bit older than you, and in the deep recesses of my mind I remember the CBC news accounts of the rollout of the Arrow. Thank you so much for this, and please extend my same to all those that contributed.

Marvellous work. Thanks!

A tearjerker of an ending. What a great team u had. Thank you!

Fantastic. Many thanks to your team and the workload in bringing this to life. thank you for the inclusion of us Aussies in one of your episodes.

I don't usually have tears in my eyes after watching a CZcams video but I did after watching the live feed of this episode and the finale of this series. It happened when 2032 appeared and the Arrow was on final display with her crews urns. If only the Canadian Government of the future had renewed and updated the Avro Arrow project and the final scene had been squadrons of updated Arrows flying over the hangar in salute to the 206 and her crew. Thank-you for this wonderful series that I have followed since the beginning. May the Arrow never be forgotten and these videos be viewed long after war is no more on our troubled planet. If only the Ukraine had an Arrow right now to take their battle to Moscow and St. Petersburg. To drop those 2000 pounders on top of Putin's head.

23:50 reference to Eddy Shack, with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Many thanks to you and your "team" for bringing this story to life Virtual, you have kept the story and the remarkable legend alive, hopefully it will never be forgotten.

So much lost over stupidity and deict. Such short sightedness that still haunts us as country today. 😡🤬😡🤬

Canada will buy f35 which is the right move,Good.

With next gen fighters a new fly by light fibre optic system would be part of a new design. Japan has been already working on that for their next gen fighter.

They really were far beyond their time. And the overal size of the plane is now on par with modern jets for the same role.

I posted ur channel link in world of tanks genera chat.

Canada seems to be blessed with an abundance of natural resources, and very creative intelligent people, but at the same time, it appears to be cursed with an abundance very small minded, and stupid politicians, who struggle to see the bigger picture of things.

The Arrow seems to have been designed to have a lot of modular systems that could be added to the basic airframe. Because it was a large aircraft and there could have been modified versions that would have fulfilled the roles that were performed by the Voodoos, Starfighters, F5’s, and Bomarc’s. Jim Chamberlin an Arrow designer, did most of the design work for the Gemini spacecraft which also had modular systems that could be swapped out for various components. He also was responsible for most of the descent stage of the LM.

Great information. I knew about some of these future plans from books, but not all of them.