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🤣 anything is possible!

@@posetv Have you ever met Sacha Baron Cohen? That would definitely solve the puzzle. 😀

@@nickvledder No! Maybe one day.

forefoot is literally the wide area that includes the ball of your foot and the toes. The mid-foot is the arch of your foot - cannot land on that. I hope that answers your question.

@@posetv Thank you, understand.

Do you need help reading or comprehending?

🤣.... physics says it's possible with the right technique!

what software do you use for video analysis?

They don’t. They use 3 pieces of hardware (two eyes and a brain)

🤣 @@mikewoods7167 which component malfunctioned?

@@posetv I think it was your parents who failed by bringing up such a rude young man who argues before introspection.

@@mikewoods7167 I have no obligation to be polite or nice in response to rudeness or aggressiveness. Communication is a two way street. Also, please keep in mind that text we type on here does not necessarily translate the emotions intended. I do not know you, you do not know me. These are not fighting words. For some reason you decided to tell me your opinion on my upbringing in response to my simple humorous question. Lighten up buddy.

hey back - that's a common problem related to basic skill. You would be surprised to know that majority of people cannot maintain balance on one foot. Start with basics - classic balance exercises (google that). I hope this helps.

There is a description posted with this clip - it really helps if you read before commenting.

​@@posetv I did read it. Bad example, bad description

ok let me help you out buddy @@tjubix1525 This post was about perception, not running technique. Perception is a big part of learning. It includes learning any new skill obviously. Some people however (the famous guy in this video) have an innate level of perception that is way above other elite level athletes, not just average people. I hope this help to connect the dots.

hi! Yes of course - you can either find a specialist at TechniqueSpecialist.com or facebook.com/groups/runningforum I can also recommend specifically several awesome pose specialists on insta @audaciousrunning @coachdex_757 @valerierunrx

I would go to a proper running coach. This is absolute nonsense and you you'll in all likelihood get injured.

generational talent for sure! Absolutely amazing!

yes things must look fake when you don't know what you're looking at.

Do you have a Ph.D. in biomechanics? Or are you like most keyboard warriors online that read something somewhere, maybe got a certificate or two and let their ego get the best of their ignorance? You would do well to educate yourself before making statements on things you clearly do not comprehend.

well on one hand we have every single runner in history striking the ground in front of hips - on the other hand we have POSE saying the opposite . You cant show me a single pic of any runner landing under hips - studies on biomechanics have shown faster runners land further forward nd we have pose saying they have it all wrong. Its not me that needs the education @@posetv

I understand it well - if you want to ignore the evidence thats not my lack of understanding its yours @@posetv - prove me and every other non POSE running coach wrong and show some pics of initial footstrike under hips - if you cant then you have to admit that the concept of landing under hips is incorrect and hence one of the basic premise of POSE running is incorrect .

it is possible you need glasses or a magnifying glass @@mile27ultracoach

you definitely do not understand this subject. Lots of people don't. It is what it is. @@mile27ultracoach

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why can't compare? Same planet, same laws of movement/physics... human body functions the same way for everyone. Why is this 24 hr attempts suddenly different? Are his muscles different from Kipchoge? Are they using different lungs, bones?

@@posetv the pace in this 24h attempt is much slower than a marathon, speed matters when we look at biomechanics and running form

@@posetv and also yes his muscles are different because he is an alpinist, does a lot of vertical meters and is a very versatile athlete while eliud has to do a lot of speed stuff therefore has different muscle recruitment and all he does is train for marathon distance

also things like upper body to lower body ratio and upper leg to lower leg matter when we look at biomechanics and running economy@@posetv

@@bernhardneumueller Let's not get things twisted - speed is the RESULT of a few things and your running form/biomechanics are part of that. It is important to understand the hierarchy. That said - biomechanics, the way you move does NOT change based on the distance you are attempting to cover. Running movement does not change whether you are sprinting or jogging, whether the ratio of your legs to torso is different from the guy next to you. And no, the muscles of a swimmer or alpinist, are not different from the muscles of a runner. That is as delusional as it gets.

"Every runner does it automatically, no choice, physics." That is actually not true. Some actively interfere with this and prevent the fall, so if you do a video analysis of some weekend runners, you will see zero degree of falling. "The falling is essential" - Indeed! "but gives no free energy." It's there for the taking, cost it 'know-how'.

Thank you for replying. We may be at cross purposes. The falling that I envisage is that when a foot is driving you forward, the centre of mass has to be in front of the foot, or else the feet will scuttle off in front leaving the body behind. That amounts to a lean from the foot, which I think is what you describe as falling. At a steady speed, the fall is counteracted by wind resistance. It's much the same as leaning into a gale to stay upright, except that its only a gentle breeze at the speed I run! So you can't be a weekend or any other runner with zero degrees of fall, if by that you mean that they run with centre of mass directly over the driving foot. But, yes, you will see some with an upright torso: perhaps that's what you're thinking of, but it doesn't look like it from the video.. What do you think? Andy

Andy, I think before proceeding further in such conversations, it is important to establish a standard for terms and meanings used. The free falling due to gravity in any movement is when the center of mass is allowed to free fall in the desired direction.@@user-wm1rc3kb4j Body parts like legs and arms serve as parts of support system. So, the foot cannot drive you forward - you can move it forward, yes, but the feet merely provide support for the center of mass that is falling forward (in a human body that is hips/below navel area). As I mentioned earlier, it takes video analysis to see what is usually missed with a naked eye. If viewed frame by frame, you would see how many average runners prevent their own movement forward by sticking their legs forward (scissor shuffling or actually leaning back). That said, I'm not 100% clear on everything you mentioned, so perhaps it would be more conductive to this discussion if you familiarized yourself with the Pose Method of Running. Thank you.

Thank you for replying. Unfortunately, as you move your legs forward, they do work to accelerate the body, in order to prevent the body from landing on the ground. Ask a physicist, please. Andy. I do get the Pose concept, but feel that the theory isn’t consistent with physics. Doesn’t stop you from helping runners though.

@@andycouldwell6507 I understand that it is difficult for you to understand this subject without actually checking out the published papers and having advanced knowledge of a combination of fields like physics, biomechanics, geometry that are involved here. This method was developed by a man with a Ph.D and the math/geometry/physics of it was worked out by him with the help of other Ph.Ds Take care Andy.

sorry about that!

nobody forgot anything. He is a gifted athlete indeed. What you don't realize is that on an elite level (where he is at) such seemingly "minor" errors in technique accumulate to losing 1st place or missing out on WR or PB. On elite level, athletes fight for every fraction of a second and their training goes into extreme details unknown to average people. So yes this excellent runner could benefit from these corrections but they would be even more relevant to a weekend warrior running a local race.

@@posetv Killian's form on flat track, is about as consequential as Kipchoge's downhill stride through a scree field. Killian's track form may not even be consistent, instead varying with what else he's been doing over the past days and weeks, as well as where he's aching, stiff or tired. Not saying you're not "right": HIs form could probably be "better." Would likely need to be better, if he wanted to compete on track. If he was a track runner, it would be an obvious area for improvement. But it's not even close to where the small share of his training load consisting of track running, is likely to be what causes injury. The form of even exemplary athletes at various weight room exercises, when compared to specialised lifters, is often much further from ideal. Yet they still derive benefit for their sports, from weightroom work. Heck, Killian himself may do some lifting, to aid strength, stability and mobility for steep vertical sections. I doubt his form is all that impressive if judged against competitive lifters. Ditto bicycle training.... Also: Even athletes as great as olympic decathletes, don't perform every one of their ten events, with nearly the form the specialists have. The last 5-10% of form perfection, takes a lot of time and effort. Necessary, and worth it, if it's for the discipline you're contesting. Much less so, for accessory work and crosstraining.

@@paulnorman8274 His form could definitely be better. Curious - do you speak from experience of working with Olympic athletes or are you theorizing?

Yes, some things in movement/sports are difficult to see for an untrained eye.

LOL which ancestors? The ones that had to chase their meal or the ones that wore the togas? Runners were always an exclusive small group - they were either delivering messages (ultra runners) or obtaining the food for the others. Running skill is not a birth right or a given. You either are born with a talent (like any other talent) or you learn how to do it (like any other skill). Even among modern day Raramuri (Tarahumara) not the entire tribe runs or can run and only a select few are able to go the distance.

Everybody knows how to run but just a few know a more efficient technique

​@@storn8230 maybe "everybody can run but few do it well". Because to say "knows how to run" implies they know what they are doing and most people just go for a run without much thinking.

Our ancestors are thinking, “ we developed brains and technology so that we don’t have to run for food anymore or to run away from predators. Yet these 21st Century idiots feel like running FOR FUN??? Running was a dangerous and unfortunate necessity for us.”

Weekend warriors do not know that professional athletes analyze their own technique and performance as part of their daily routine. This analysis was produced by an Olympic Coach.

the Olympic coach doesnt know what he is talking about if he thinks you should strike the ground under the body@@posetv - old myths die hard sometimes - Olympic coaches not immune to that

so let me guess, while an Olympic Coach with a Ph.D. is mistaken, a random keyboard warrior knows what's up? LOL That must be why he is an Olympic Coach and you are.... commenting online @@mile27ultracoach

@@posetv Kipchoge, Kiptum, Gebresallessie , Bekele , Farah , Jornet , Walmsley all strike the ground ahead of hips , faster they go the further ahead the strike . If the Olympic coach things otherwise then they need their eyes checked as it’s impossible to argue against reality . POSE technique is to running like flat earth is to science . It keeps saying stuff that simply isn’t true and can’t be demonstrated . In all my debates with proponents of POSE running no-one has ever been able to show a pic of an elite runner striking under hips . So either it’s not possible or all the elites could run even faster if they followed POSE method . What’s amazing is the arrogance of POSE suggesting they know better than all the elites . Besides all of the above it defies the laws of physics to strike under hips . You may call be a keyboard warrior but I am at least I have read the research unlike POSE coaches - whether they have a PhD or are an Olympic coach is irrelevant if they think something happens that is impossible to provide evidence for

He is running better than ever! Timing of leg movement is off in this comparison - they are moving at very different speeds. However, the leg movement itself is virtually identical and that's the focus here.

@@posetvVery true. It’s a really great demonstration.

you said it yourself - almost injury free. Among other things, that means his technique can be improved. If you want to act like he is god and has it all figured out - sure, do whatever suits you. Others like to learn so they can improve.

there is definitely more to learn about running form and many other related things. The very thing that creates the framework for our movement (including running) - gravity - is still an enigma!

when you focus on pulling the impact sound is smaller.

the impact AND the sound @@penciljar