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let me know if you wanna sell the pro in the future.

I haven't heard anything about 'find my' being something with extra cost. I't be nice if you would clarify that here too.

Manual disks for the regular model, hydraulics for the Stellar. And all Apollo scooters, including this one, have VERY good regeneration brakes.

@@BorealisNights that's my bad I was thinking it was the Apollo Pro 2024 which costs $3,300 and it has drum brakes with the regen braking throttle. It goes 44mph like my Kaabo Wolf Warrior X Plus 2024 and it has hydraulic disc brakes and EBS! Any e-scooter that goes that fast needs hydraulic brakes I don't care if it has a regen breaking throttle or not especially when you're paying that much money. It's crazy that their most expensive scooter has drum brakes.

@@The_Cannabis_Connoisseur Lol... coincidentally, that's my ride, although you might call mine the 2023 PRO, as I ordered way back when it was still only available through IndieGoGo(although I didn't receive it until January this year, it is actually different from the '24 model in that it included the iOT and the Charging mount in the price, and the '24 has the beefier stem latch and revised deck tape preinstalled, although those were also sent to me free of charge). I can't say I have an issue with the drum brakes, as they also engage the regen brakes when the drum levers are pulled(no need to try and hit the brake 'throttle' while also grabbing a handful of lever)... So, for example, if I want a quicker stop than regen alone, applying even just one drum, also engages both the front and rear regen. Even then, I only have my regen set at level 6 out of 10, as I find that to be plenty of brake for comfortable stops, saving the levers/drums with simultaneous regen for the more 'intense moments'. lol. Happy, and safe riding!✌🏼🇨🇦

You hit the nail on the head.

I seen that .. any idea when it's coming out ?

@@Funkadelick I think is for next year.

mach 3

I'm a 60v v2 Owner and b longing for the upgrade...😢

That's true just get emove cruiser v2 I would say to anyone cheap price not 2K, or 3 thousand pounds. But Emove cruiser v2 is around 1 thousand 400 pounds good price but not super expensive. Better range this scooter and even better top speed and better design, and being able to modify it and more easy to repair. I'd go with emove cruiser v2 any day for this expensive junk!

Expensive junk and emove has better design? What are you even talking about lol

Can you please check which app version you have and let me know? This should not be happening... Your SN and email would be appreciated too to help with the diagnostic

​@@eloipecquet v 3.13.1914 . I just don't use it anymore, no harm done. I'll try it every major update or so to see how things are going, but other than showing me a signal light status, I don't really need it. I uninstalled/reinstalled it a couple of times this past year & always have to force-stop it, so it's not really worth the battery drain for me. The new design is pretty, but I know the Phantom better than the app does at this point. Speed, signals and which gear I'm in isn't exactly a lot to remember. Turning off the scooter without ending the ride thru the app will prevent the ride from being stored, I found that odd. A basic LOS should just store whatever's buffered. 1 = Eco. 2 = throttle max, regen max 3 = same as 2. (I understand throttle adjustments can't be unique in gears 2 and 3, due to hardware limitations). I don't know why anyone would limit their speed in ANY gear, unless for legislated speed limits like in the U.K. Limiting throttle response is far easier when trying to conserve battery. Cruise control, IMO, is too dangerous on scooters. My unpopular opinion so I don't push it.

Looks like the 2.0 will start shipping Q1 of next year. So if you're willing to wait, it will be a serious upgrade from the V4X! Here's the LED strip I used: www.amazon.ca/dp/B0CY8DVTQ5?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

@@ScootWithMike My hiboy pro max will have to hold me for now. Although I was looking forward to the upgrade.

I think they have the same tires as the pro.?

No more split rims on the V4X. It's to allow tubeless tires.

Take a look at this video, where the reviewer has size 13 shoes: czcams.com/video/IgIsDLvnaDY/video.html&si=0BxPWBXZzkCwLhKp

oh fuck no man. Im 6'2" 240 and its perfect, IDK about deck width, I think the phantom is one of the wider decks out there.. .but I have size 12 feet and there is lots of room. The only thing I find is that, im more comfortable with my front foot pressing up against the stem, and my rear foot on the rear "footbar" or whatever you call it, especially when going 50km or over. the deck is roughly 8 1/2" x 22"

Check out this video, where @RK9Rides reviews some bar-end turn signals: czcams.com/video/6xftPBwRfyM/video.html&si=B3ICW6SJGeUuCbOT

Lol

It's just something simple like this. I might replace it at some point, but it works ok for now! a.co/d/chcp691

What kinda maintenance you doing?

My sister has the klima max and it's stupid fast. It beats my dualtron thunder 3 to 30mph

@@CountGlizzy I tighten every bolt I see. I open the stem and tighten those bolts. I put white lithium silicone on the stem, suspension & hubs. I fill the tires to 50psi every day before riding. I tighten the lugs that hold the wheels on. The bolts that hold the silver rims on - tighten those often! They will be loose, even with blue loctite. Before storing it in the winter, I clean it thoroughly - using an old toothbrush for the shock springs, etc. Just rolled over 4020kms this morning. Still getting ~30kms out of 50% battery with only partial eco mode. The battery often lasts longer than I find it comfortable to stand for. An hour of aggressive riding is about all I like to ride at once. It's only been in heavy rain once, light rain 3 maybe 4 times.

@@thomasK411 My brother has the Klima, and it's a totally different scooter than the Phantom (he has the same Apollo Phantom as I do and the Klima). Klima sounds great, but I'd miss the dedicated regen.

@NunchucksHabit fair enough. The torque and acceleration is the why I'm getting a klima. I had an apollo ghost and it was fast. I just want alot more acceleration, which the klima has.

It's just a simple one, similar to this. It works alright: a.co/d/ivKa59L

I used to have just one, on my left, but even with makeshift mirror-stem suspension, I found it rattled too much. I found small wing-mirrors too small, and big ones just got in the way with parking or accidental tipovers. I was hoping there'd be a solution where a GoPro with anti-shake tech could be mounted in the rear & transmitted real-time to a smaller screen on the dash, or even to my cellphone, which could act as a secondary LED screen. That way you'd have a constant, steady, wide-angled, live view of the back.

Yeah I heard that the laws there are pretty strict. Too bad, because it's a super fun way to get around, and takes another car off the road!

I haven't had to change a tire yet, but you're right that it will be a lot easier with the old style split rims. However, a lot of people seem to prefer the self-healing tubeless style, and it looks like most high end scooters are going that way now.

I often think about the Klima and if I should have gone for that instead. I actually do quite a bit of forest trail riding, so that's big points for the Klima's superior suspension. But I'm so used to the smooth regen throttle on the Phantom, I think it would be really hard to give that up. Also, in my experience, Apollo customer service has been great to work with. I know you see a lot of bad stuff online, but I have not had that experience.

I have just over 3600kms on a Phantom V3 & the #1 thing that puts the Klima over Phantom V4x is that you can ride it in the rain. Klima is also considerably faster accelerating, but ultimately around the same top speed. My Phantom accelerates up any hill I point it at, and I'm 200lbs + often heavy knapsack. Nami is the best production scooter in the industry right now, but they also haven't changed much at all in 3 years. Apollo's gone through LOTS of change, innovation & improvement. You have to get good at routine maintenance to keep the Phantom quiet and reliable, but I'm talking basic stuff like tightening every possible bolt and lubricating suspension/stem joints to keep them from squeaking. I'm not sure how bright the LED screen is on the Klima, but its headlight is 2k lumens - twice as bright as the one on the Phantom. The LED screen of the V3 Phantom is basically invisible - totally invisible - if you're wearing sunglasses - and its headlight is "be seen", not "see in the dark". I don't judge it on that though, I bought an extra headlamp for nighttime riding - but the difference in getting noticed is very obvious if you turn your headlight on all the time. It activates daytime brake lighting too. We often have to get into traffic, especially in intersections, and our visibility from behind isn't great without improvements. Klima weighs about the same. Klima's range is also considerably better - allegedly. Two drawbacks of the Klima, though: 1) Klima has regen braking but it isn't dedicated - it's incorporated into the regular brakes. I put hydraulic brakes on my Phantom for peace of mind - the regular disc brakes on a Phantom are nothing short of awful. I use my dedicated regen braking (has its own vertical lever) 100% of the time. Crank the regen settings to '10' (100%) and braking is FAR superior for PLANNED stops - but note that immediate, unplanned emergency stops are NOT effective with regen braking. Always have a very healthy set of hydraulic brakes to rely on in emergencies. I can't stress enough how, once you get used to it, just how good the dedicated regen is. I stop far later than I would with hydraulics due to the smooth buildup of non-skid braking power in both wheels - with no disc wear. I'm on the same set of brake pads (on their first adjustment, even!) for over 3000 kms. 2). Klima's battery is not UL Certified. For most places in Canada, a UL certification will not guarantee your landlord will allow your scooter to be stored & charged in your apartment - but it will certainly help convince them & their insurance companies that your battery is NOT on the list of dangerous batteries re-furbed or sold as new by shady "burn & re-sell under a different tax #" companies. With the snap of his fingers, a landlord could tell you you're not allowed to have an E-scooter in the building, nor can you keep it in your car or parking space. Preemptively informing them your scooter is UL Certified can be the difference. Not a drawback but it is to me - I don't like the archaic 'trigger' throttles like the Klima. I much prefer the vertical paddles for throttle + regen. IP55 rating & better range of the Klima is a huge plus. Dedicated regen of the Phantom is a huge plus. It's a tough call for me, not sure if my indecision adds to yours or if it helps...but I'm happy to answer questions.

Try to read it in sunlight, it's so dim. With sunglasses, you see nothing. Sucks when you're trying to determine whether the signal lights are still on/off.

I remember Apollo saying the V4 would have the new V8 throttles, but lots of people who ordered the V4 got a scooter with the old throttles. I think there was a lot of confusion around the throttles.

I'm so glad I never bit the bullet on a phantom.. They look the beast I'd want, but seem to have a few cracks that aren't going away. Plus that battery replacement should be much lower considering it's gel technology, and not lithium

@@ScootWithMike Now I officially have no idea what to even ask for. I've got a v3, bought in June '23, and I want the most updated throttle/regen levers. Do I ask for "V8" throttles? Nothing on their site even hints at "upgrade your scooter". Not even a hint. Whoever does their website, has made it a disjointed mess.