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Neal Adams was a legend. I saw him at 2 local comic book conventions in New Orleans and got some signed prints. I expected to see him again before he unexpectedly died of pneumonia. Adams' art style inspired a lot of later artists including Jim Lee. Frank Miller has done a lot of my favorite comics like Dark Knight Returns and the Sin City comics. I had one Sin City comic book where Marv searches and rescues a kidnapped girl in the backdrop of a snowing Christmas Eve. Miller did the art with white ink on black paper and the story had no words at all. I was shocked when Miller put out Holy Terror and by the wacky stuff in All-Star Batman and Robin. I didn't read either of them, just read about it online in message boards. I'm glad Miller has since admitted regret for that crazy stuff.

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I will takes Miller’s stories and writings over the current crop of garbage any day!

Alls I know is Frank Miller looks way too old for 67. I don't think I've seen anyone else age this badly. Like, bro looks older than Jim Shooter who's 72

Listen I know I probably stand with very few but I absolutely loved All-Star Batman and Robin! With Jim Lee artwork it was just fabulous! So what if it didn’t go along with your view of Batman. I wasn’t aware The Dark knight Returns fit the mold for typical Batman. Having said that I really wish we would have gotten the final issue planned.

Neal Adams was an ARTIST.

his racism was always there... I mean, "subhuman" mutants that are super strong, ultra violent, and can't be reasoned with? 🤔

I would've picked Leo but then again Mikey is the Battle Nexus Champion

Frank Miller has a very unique way of drawing people very cool he was a great artist and writer . But misunderstood . But comics were never meant for children it hide itself in super heroes for children to spread propaganda .

If you think rape is resistance then you probably can’t understand that Miller never changed. He just doesn’t support Muslim terror.

Sin City movies and books became read-along’s. Who wants a movie that is so comic-accurate that you know all the lines, all the plot twists and endings? His books are for slow people.

Censoring a gun ? Seriously ?

Mikey would be the weakest, that has the most character development and change. Leo would be the same just more serious. Seeing Mikey be like Leo and Raphael would shock everyone way more and show the contrast of the trauma before and after. Character development.

This video is full of inaccuracies and glaring omissions. Neal Adams for instance is famously an artist rather than writer. Daredevil was Miller's first writing job not Weird War Tales where Miller was the artist not writer. The video editing is pretty good pity the script wasn't as well researched. This is a better analysis of what may have derailed an undoubtedly talented career czcams.com/video/axoPLNMzFLs/video.html

Frank is the late 70's the 80's and the 90's. Remember ' sin city' ' 300' I think if he wants he can ride the wave. The world's a worse disaster than batman, superman and the super friendies can handle. I'm a xenophobia too😂❤

Bro? The dark knight returns?

His work went downhill before ASBAR. It just his works like Superman year one (or at least it’s later half) or the dark knight strikes again seem to fall threw the cracks when compared to ASBAR and holy terror

Frank Miller is awesome. I don’t give a shit what anyone says.

His final moments could be seen as deeply emotional. Realizing his death, he thought 3 things. First is that he would not suffer the indignity of dying in the same room as Hector. Second was that he would not look weak and afraid at his final moments, because Gus is prideful. Lastly, he would look presentable, because it shows he was in control to the very end, because it was one of his greatest obsessions.

Didn't Miller backtracked on what he said after 9/11 a while ago? I don't agree with his comments from those years nor in his political beliefs but I absolutely adore that he put in the spotlight the fact that comics are a way of propaganda still today, and honestly enjoyed Holy Terror bc of that cleverness. Btw, that clip of him basically portraying the Arab world as uncivilized is just imbecile when you think they basically saved Europe from the middle ages. Historically the anglosaxons could be considered more "barbaric" that the arabs

The problem with Raph as the last ronin is that he'd become a more level-headed character than the Last Ronin is. He'd become less of himself. Leo would break too much, feeling responsible for every last death, and would probably go through with the seppuku mikey was going to perform. Donetello would probably change to become more like Leo than himself, causing people to think he is Leo.

All in all jesse is very dumb in many ways

Even the lesser Miller is way better than any of the writers in comics today. Miller always gives you something raw and powerful and interesting. Sometimes his execution is not the best, but still is head and shoulders over contemporary works. Miller and Moore were the kings of the bronze age and they started the modern era with TDKR and Watchmen. Now, where is the new groundbreaking comic that makes a new trend and pushes the entire industry? Nowhere. Where are the new classics, the new masterpieces to admire this generation? Anywhere. And where is the love and passion for the medium? Gone, together with the collectors of a lifetime and most of the readers.

He was subjected to the whims of the writers, who figured Walt and Jesse's relationship didnt need to make sense in terms of character motivations

Neal Adams was an artist. Not really a writer. Co-plotter or co-creator but I don't think he ever was considered a "writer" until very late in his career and even at that, very rarely.

I remember Miller's peak being Daredevil in reality. It was basically an old movie "noir" tone that Miller tapped into. Everything he produced after that was to be honest, a gradual step down. It just lasted so long because he did such good work in the early part of his career. The Dark Knight owes actually more to the success of Moon Knight done by Doug Moench and Bill Sienkewicz from Marvel starting in the late 70s. People were writing in the fans letters pages "...this is what Batman should be..." a combination of compliments and laments that Moon Knight wasn't Batman. Nobody was excited about Batman at that time. Adam West was still effecting the impression people got from the character. So, the excitement around the Dark Knight's success was basically the guy who wrote and revived Daredevil filling the already fervent desire to revitalize Batman. Byrne's move to DC and revamping of Superman with the "Man of Steel" mini-series was just as big a deal at the time, if not bigger. The artwork in the Dark Knight was praised by few but really just tolerated by most because the story was so interesting. Some thought at the time it detracted from the story it was so distracting. Nobody was running around trying to imitate Frank MIller's Dark Knight art like they were his work on Daredevil or the art of John Byrne or George Perez. Right after Dark Knight was Ronin which was underwhelming and forgotten the moment it was done. 300 and Sin City were years away and they didn't make the mark of Daredevil or Dark Knight. By the late 80s Miller was dabbling in movies and getting heavily criticized for the Robocop 2 script which did not do as well as the first movie. (It wasn't awful, but it was no great revelation either) 300 and Sin City were basically what worked visually in Daredevil and Dark Knight applied to new stories. The movies were the first time the tropes that worked in the comics were brought to the screen. Simultaneously, Alan Moore was approaching the top of his game right on the heels of Miller and there was a massive exit from Marvel to DC of much of the brightest talent.

I know it isn't possible to cover everything Miller has done but I think his six-issue Ronin series could have done with exploration. Particularly when talking about Miller's desire to create some hybrid between American and Japanese comics.

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Frank stayed consistent. The generations that followed became soft, politically correct, incapable of accepting flaws in their heros...

We do know that Frank's writing and art has severely degraded in the last 20+ years, all you have to do is actually read enough of it to realize that. Asking if his sensibilities and ethics have changed isn't the same question as asking if his skills have.

The woke crowd lol

His only appeal was overt sexualizing of women, high violence, that libertarian selfish mind set. He is the official "bro" writer.

I must be odd because I never liked TDKR. It’s a dull story with ugly art. I’m more a Hush fan. For a dark superhero story, I prefer Kraven’s Last Hunt.

Frank Miller slowly turned into Freddy Krueger without us really noticing.

I never liked Miller's art-work,especially the way he drew women's faces,they looked like men.The inker on DD often redrew his female faces and the older he got the worse his art-work became.Look at total wreck of art he produced for the Dark Knight Strikes Again. Good documentary on Miller tho.

Frank miller is not racist

To me the books that miller wrote are good and enjoyable because they actually have some critiques and societal commentary woven into their plot that justify the edginess, like DKR, Elektra assassin, sin city or daredevil. That bad work is the work where he’s simply sticking to that methodology without any real rhetorical purpose behind it and just being edgy for the sake of it as a style like Batman and robin all-star

Bro is the family guy 911 meme but Unironically

I don't think it's Racist to ridicule a religion...all ideas should be open to ridicule...I understand why people are so frightened of doing it for Islam because there are literally instances of people being killed for it....Holy Terror is a bad book...but definitely not racist....no religious community can claim to be a race.... Miller lost his mojo in recent times...there were moments of the old Miller in DKMR but sadly, not many....

You live long enough to see yourself become the bad guy....

The problem of Frank Miller is the same as with Zack Snyder: Both feel a great necessity to corrupt Super heroes. And distorce their hero essence.

I hate it when people say things like drugs and Alcohol made them say racist things......poor excuse and it's simply not true it's like saying money suddenly made you a rude person that's impossible you were always a rude spiteful person..........by the way stating the obvious racists can tell lies!

If you make a rude generalisation or a stereotype yes your a racist sadly as a Caucasian your an exception to the rule I spoke to him in 2012. And yes you can see some blatant stereotypes for black people in Daredevil and Batman but Caucasians will hide behind terms like Fascism and woke or try to laugh in denial it's insulting thanks for being honest whoever you are!

If OK boomer was a person.

why are you talking so fast?

Frank Miller is the person that made me a fan of the comics medium and see what strengths it has in of itself, and I have to admit that he has been churning out some subpar work compared to everything up to 300. However I will go as far to say having read Holy Terror that while it is a very bad comic, calling it racist and xenophobic is stretching it. It's definitely a printed post 9/11 revenge fantasy against Al-Qaeda. The guy wanted to satirize an extremist group in the worst way possible, and it was not well received. Yet the response makes me question the mindset of the critics of it when they see a caricature of a terrorist and they immediately think Muslim or Arab. That kind of speaks more of what they think of when they hear the word "terrorist" than what Frank thinks, in my snarky opinion.

This is just my opinion: To make a "Frank Millers Fall From Grace" video and only focusing on Batman (edit: fine, there was a tiny bit about Sin City, but very much just glossed over) is lazy at best, dishonest at worst when he has so many other intense and defining works to choose from. Does he have shit-views? Perhaps, and perhaps not. When the author Stephen Donaldson wrote The Gap Series (a truly horrific and disturbing opening novel!), was his main character's views aligned with his own? I would like to think not. But he pushed the boundaries for what was conventionally acceptable. For me (again my opinion), that is what a lot of artists do. To wreck havoc on conventions and to take their chosen art to a "next place". Also, many writers and artists do become... how should I put it... wierder as they get older. Just look at the painters...

Love how some of the most influential comic writers to ever live becomes super jaded and borderline obsessed with shitting on comics.

awesome video now please do one on why Lyle is the true criminal mastermind of the entire series 😂😂😂😂

The older Miller got, the more out of touch he became with the zeitgeist and the more his messaging seemed out of touch. It didn't help that he tried using the titles that launched him into celebrity status to aggrandize his newer works, only mucked the water of his original messaging. That's at least how I view it. His early works were subversive and innovative, only a few decades later, that innovation became cliche' in and of itself. Something he couldn't escape, as we all won't, because he aged out of understanding. His innovation became the status quo. And it's almost impossible to change the game twice with the same approach. That's at least what I always understood happened, but this video gave me some needed context. Always looking for new channels that discuss the philosophy and history of comic books. Glad to have stumbled onto this channel.