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Shadowheart's Hidden Score | "Nightsong Points" Explained
Let's dig into the script files of Baldur's Gate 3 to discover Shadowheart's deepest, darkest secrets and some of what makes her tick. We'll find hidden dialogue, bugs, quirks, and a little bit of math.
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Komentáře

  • @KowaRPG
    @KowaRPG Před 23 hodinami

    For some reason the wolf memory is not triggering for me 😭

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 23 hodinami

      Both the first conversation about the Mother Superior and then the wolf memory after that won't trigger if Shadowheart's "BlockBackground" flag is set, so you may just need to long rest and leave camp. Assuming that you have already got three or more of the Wolf Dream Points, of course.

  • @andresriley723
    @andresriley723 Před dnem

    You actually missed a hell ton of flags in your video…

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      Of course there are lots of different flags in play, but not sure exactly what you're referring to

  • @PkHunt13
    @PkHunt13 Před dnem

    I wpuld love a video like this about getting shadowheart to spare her parents. I did eveything i saw online to get her to spare them and it didnt work

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      That's exactly what I'm workin' on right now. And I've figured out why basic instructions for doing it won't always work (spoiler: this video we're commenting on is why . .)

  • @Patton1944
    @Patton1944 Před dnem

    So I played a very stereotypical lawful good paladin, and ended up romancing Shadowheart. One funny thing though, is that, due to my irl lack of knowledge about the church of Shar, I just kinda took her word for it about how her faith in Shar makes her feel better and might be a noble thing. I was supportive with her doing her Shar thing all the way until we encounterred the Nightsong and then I was like, "I don't think this is the move." Passed the DC 21 persuasion check with a righteous nat 20 (I actually shouted irl at that lol). Will definitely take this video into encounter for future playthroughs, thanks for explaining all this!

  • @MirOmran
    @MirOmran Před dnem

    There is a way to give Shadowheart the Noblestalk whilst also keeping it to give it to the merchant, you talk to her and have another character send it to camp from your inventory I think, was this patched out?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      I didn't know about it when I made this video, but it's as easy as just picking it up, sending it to camp, and then talking to Shadowheart and she acts like it's still in your bag. Still works right now.

  • @Cederien
    @Cederien Před dnem

    So did I get this right, since I'm already past the Owlbear cave and used the persuasion option there I'm now bugged and have no way of reaching the 4 wound points anymore?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      If you used Persuasion to get her to agree to taking the stuff out of the chest and got the wound flare that happens when she's standing there after the conversation, then likely yes

    • @Cederien
      @Cederien Před dnem

      @@SlimXG Darn, but thanks. Given Norbytes Script Extender allows making DB entries, I wonder if it would be possible to simply set the necessary value. You don't happen to have the exact name of what I'm looking for handy?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      @@Cederien It's actually the flag that the big arrow is pointing at in the video hahah. Buttt if you don't want to type all that in, this is the flag that gets stuck on that you need to clear for new wound flares to start counting, again: ORI_Shadowheart_Event_IncurableWoundFlared_9a1f4cad-75ec-48dd-a408-929af01136c9 and if you have missed the chance to get enough flares because of the bug, you can always set this flag to skip straight to triggering the 4+ conversation: ORI_Shadowheart_State_IncurableWound_FlaredManyTimes_731b9f28-d892-4cb6-b4f0-5d4689b432bd

  • @michaelderouen8144

    Wasn't aware of many of these facts lol. Good video. Subbed.

  • @DennGreenIII
    @DennGreenIII Před dnem

    Maybe this is how it was intended to work, but I honestly don't think it works like this at all, unless it's bugged. Every single time I play a new file, I do get the wolf scene, but have never gotten the selunite necklace option, the hand wound dialogue bugs every time, I have never had her eat the noblestalk, never given her the blessing from (aylin? Or her girlfriend) until my last playthrough, and really the only thing I do is let her give her blood in the trial, other than that I just have high approval, and every time I let her choose she spares the nightsong. I've done 5 playthroughs now, and this is always the outcome.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před dnem

      High approval is the main factor that determines if she spares the Nigthsong. The Nightsong Points mostly just flavor the dialogue and make that DC21 Persuade easier or harder

    • @DennGreenIII
      @DennGreenIII Před dnem

      @@SlimXG ah that makes sense

  • @dumbbumsc5329
    @dumbbumsc5329 Před dnem

    I’m so confused. I’ll just finish my first play through and come back when I know what’s being talked about lol

  • @coobie3469
    @coobie3469 Před dnem

    When Shadowheart spared Nightsong I burst out laughing because of how inconsistent that was. That was a major letdown. Tbh, I have never had a high opinion of the writing in this game.

  • @Limrasson
    @Limrasson Před dnem

    Sorry for not watching the video, I still have a lot to explore in this game, but I felt my experience with her was kinda funny. "Please don't do this!" SH: "I would rather die!" "Ok, do whatever you want." SH: "Now I'm not doing it" Women ☕

  • @Nerazmus
    @Nerazmus Před dnem

    Ah. So it's that stupid. I was wondering why she practically never chooses to kill her.

  • @ChristesII
    @ChristesII Před 2 dny

    Welp looks like I got the bugged wound on my second (current) run. No worries since I've been trying to hit some strange edge cases with the scripts for fun anyway.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Fortunately, if you're trying to get 4 Nightsong Points, you can miss out on the wound flare point and still be fine. Though if you're just looking to see all the dialogue, then yeah, the bug is a bummer.

  • @rex1buster
    @rex1buster Před 2 dny

    I tried a all martial class honor mode run for my first run on that mode i got absolutely slamed by big drunk throm when i realized that hes basically imune to all physical damage

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Yeah, gotta run in fear until he barfs enough times to switch to vulnerable. Just so happens I made an Act 2 guide video, too, in case that interests you.

  • @rahulraghu4928
    @rahulraghu4928 Před 2 dny

    How is this only 30,000 views?!?!? This is the best BG3 guide I've seen bar none

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Why, thank you, though it seems CZcams doesn't think it's too interesting. But if you wanna show it to 100,000 of your friends, I'd certainly appreciate it

  • @sadsaline
    @sadsaline Před 2 dny

    don't know if this will help anyone but I just killed grym in my honor by having gale cast minor ilusion from above to have grym walk into lava and then back on the hammer and back into lava and back on the- you get it, also I used a bow to activate both lava and hammer lever

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      I like it. By the time I got around to putting Grym in a video, it felt like everything interesting had been done, so I resort to just punching him . .

  • @swandob
    @swandob Před 2 dny

    Another fun tactic on the Act 1 spectator fight - have the zombie boulette leap from the top of the Selunite Outpost onto him 😂

  • @Maite-AileenBrandt
    @Maite-AileenBrandt Před 2 dny

    Your presented approach appears to be extremely effective for game QA imo, lol (Larian Studios could definitely “borrow” some of your methods 👀). I thoroughly enjoyed your video and would absolutely love to have some of the other BG3 characters covered in a similar way. :>

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Hahah thank you (I think . .) None of the other companion characters have anything quite as complex as Shadowheart's various counters (Gale is next closest, with his opinion about the crown/orb), but there are a lot of interesting interactions and permutations based on flags and whatnot. I already have a few ideas for things to explore, and I keep finding more things as I dig around. So I'll have plenty of ammunition for videos until people get bored of them . .

  • @xhy720
    @xhy720 Před 2 dny

    These videos are so good, I can't wait for Act 3. You've made my honor mode run go so smoothly thus far.

  • @cutiefangs
    @cutiefangs Před 2 dny

    I made Shadowheart raise connor for Mayrina and let Mayrina keep the wand and got a wound flare as well

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Are you certain of that? I can find no reference to that scene having a wound flare in the scripts, and I loaded up a save from just before the hag fight and tried it (controlling Shadowheart), and it didn't happen.

    • @cutiefangs
      @cutiefangs Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG I'm not certain it's actually supposed to happen. But it did happen in my game. Maybe a bug

  • @matthewfrack1227
    @matthewfrack1227 Před 2 dny

    This is the first video I’ve seen of yours, and likely the most interested I’ve been in a baldurs gate video to date. This kind of mechanic examination is what makes me love the game even more, thank you so much

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      And thank you for watching it. I made this thinking it was probably too narrow of a niche to appeal to many people, but because it was interesting to me. I guess I was wrong hahah. But the game is full of all sorts of interesting interactions behind the scenes, including stuff that was cut from the release version but is still in the files (which can be enabled with the right tools/knowledge). So, there are plenty more videos of this sort that I could make, if people want to see them.

    • @matthewfrack1227
      @matthewfrack1227 Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG I know for me at least since I can’t code this is something I never would’ve been able to find on my own, even with a ton of hours. Tips and tricks in general are interesting but there’s something to be said about helping people learn things they had no way of finding on their own. Just my opinion, but it’s so cool

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      @@matthewfrack1227 Well I'm glad you enjoyed it and I hope you'll enjoy whatever stuff of this sort that I might come up with in the future.

  • @Artansis
    @Artansis Před 2 dny

    Thx nice vid :)

  • @NOLAtours
    @NOLAtours Před 2 dny

    This is the first video of yours I've seen. Subscribing specifically in hopes of more like this

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Thanks a bunch. Now that I know there's an audience for this kind of video, I have plenty more ideas.

    • @NOLAtours
      @NOLAtours Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG I can't wait! this is legitimately the best and most interesting Baldur's Gate content I've seen so far.

  • @ClankerWanker
    @ClankerWanker Před 2 dny

    Now do Karlach please tell me there’s a hidden option to save her I’m begging on my hands and knees

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Hahah well, with the epilogue in there, now, the go to Avernus with her option is pretty close to saving her

  • @jjferguson6235
    @jjferguson6235 Před 2 dny

    Question, when I went through this last August it made me make a DC check of 30. Did they lower the requirement?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      The DC30 Persuade happens if you have over 40 Approval and take the "Choose your own way, Shadowheart" option at the first set of choices, instead of letting her do her own thing. If you pass that check, you skip the rest and she spares the Nightsong. If you fail it, you just proceed to the second set of choices. If you pick that same option with less than 40AP, the Persuasion check doesn't show up and it just skips to the same point as if you had failed the check.

  • @TheDoomsdayzoner
    @TheDoomsdayzoner Před 2 dny

    We need a fix for all of those Shadowheart bugs....

  • @lubosmicuda1159
    @lubosmicuda1159 Před 2 dny

    This somehow reminds me of hardening Alistair in Dragon Age: Origins, so he agrees on becoming the king.

  • @donk8961
    @donk8961 Před 2 dny

    Picked the DC21 choice because I was playing with 0 guides. Failed roll 1 Failed roll 2 Failed roll 3 Nat20 on roll 4 saved my wife

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      "Here's a Persuade option, and here's a second Persuade option that's way harder for no particular reason"

    • @donk8961
      @donk8961 Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG real and true. I dig that you go into the code, I’m a SE myself. Keep it up big dog.

  • @robjohnson3095
    @robjohnson3095 Před 2 dny

    Ah so this is what was happening! At some point it became a personal challenge to always let Shadowheart make The Choice, since it indicated how good a friend I was to her. I wonder if being a Selunite has special interactions? Maybe I'll get to that by my 20th play...

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      There are many extra lines with Shadowheart if you are a Selune cleric, including a couple during the Nightsong confrontation

  • @lostfathoms8028
    @lostfathoms8028 Před 2 dny

    when it comes to getting the silver sword can you just leave lazel at camp?

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Yeah, that's fine. Just as long as she doesn't get anywhere near the patrol. The active area for getting pulled into the cutscene is huge.

    • @lostfathoms8028
      @lostfathoms8028 Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG thanks

  • @TheSolidSnakeOil
    @TheSolidSnakeOil Před 2 dny

    I had to click just for the thumbnail of Shadowheart calculating how badly guiding bolt will miss.

  • @gantzplayer14
    @gantzplayer14 Před 2 dny

    It's funny that I did all this without knowing these details. The incredible thing about this game is all the possibilities it gives you.

  • @trxsh_oc
    @trxsh_oc Před 2 dny

    didnt know this was secret.

    • @Nerazmus
      @Nerazmus Před dnem

      Most people don't dig in gamecodes and read wiki.

  • @Nevict
    @Nevict Před 2 dny

    I hope they fix the wound bugs soon.

  • @Synthia17
    @Synthia17 Před 2 dny

    What about the wolf fear journal flag? I heard that if you don't discover her fear of wolves, nightsong won't mention it during their encounter and it'll make convincing Shadowheart to spare her more difficult if not impossible. Ever since hearing that, on every run I make sure she get's scared of silver or the zhentharim wolves to get that flag.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Nah, Nightsong always mentions wolves if you make it to the second part of the conversation.

    • @Synthia17
      @Synthia17 Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG Gotcha, thanks for clarification

  • @RealKengeki
    @RealKengeki Před 2 dny

    Wow, interesting. First playthrough I let her make her own choice with nightsong, and she spared her. I thought it was because of my choices. Then I started thinking her changing her mind was the default and the choices didn't actually matter. Seems I was wrong

  • @gotohellgoogle9248
    @gotohellgoogle9248 Před 2 dny

    On all my run through except my Durge I must have triggered this 😂. I’ve alway just let her decide and she throws the spear away.

  • @bertalankovacs8322
    @bertalankovacs8322 Před 2 dny

    This is really niche, but if you happen to be playing as an oathbreaker paladin (or have one in your party), you can use Control Undead on Malus. It's a bit tricky to land, because the spell's range is only 6m and that is close enough to trigger his cutscene. You can avoid this by targeting him from the platform that is behind him. It gets you about 5.5m from him, without triggering the cutscene. Nothing happens if he saves the spell, but be warned if you land it, the sisters will attack you. He is apparently prone to being a little buggy when it comes to navigating around the map, and his damage is not very impressive, but he is still a 358HP tank that can come in handy to distract enemies, or just slowly kill them. Could be a useful asset for clearing out the rest of the shadow cursed lands

  • @magnusrhosen5472
    @magnusrhosen5472 Před 2 dny

    I am so confused. I cant say for sure that did not collected the 4 nightsong points accidentally but it would surprise me if I did that. in the conversation I was like „yeah do whatever you want“ because I had no idea what to do and I wanted my character to just be supportive and respectful of her decision and I was so baffled when she didnt kill the nightsong because she seemed to be really set to kill her but then she just did not do it😮

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Having approval of over 40 is the bigger deciding factor for what Shadowheart does to the Nightsong. Nightsong Points affect some of the lines she says and change the outcomes more if your approval is low.

  • @omgstopturd6566
    @omgstopturd6566 Před 2 dny

    I'm so sad to discover this channel so late, but so happy to discover it at all!! God the amount of "tips" for Bg3 that just say basic shit drove me crazy. You're teaching me stuff I genuinely didn't know, and useful stuff! Thank you!

  • @DrippyWaffler
    @DrippyWaffler Před 2 dny

    Oh, not a musical score haha

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Ya know, I actually considered that confusion, but couldn't think of a word that I liked more hahah

  • @Tokiomy
    @Tokiomy Před 2 dny

    I always kill the Nightsong cause I like Shadowheart whit black hair

  • @SireBab
    @SireBab Před 2 dny

    Whaaaat? This bug has locked me out of so much dialogue!

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 2 dny

      Fortunately, even if you trigger the wound flare bug and don't want to use/didn't get the Noblestalk, there are still 4 points available, as long as you get both from the wolf dream conversation

    • @SireBab
      @SireBab Před 2 dny

      @@SlimXG good point! I've still never seen these before, so I missed out on shaming shadow heart early on for worshipping Shar. Thanks a lot!

  • @SiodogRehane
    @SiodogRehane Před 3 dny

    The moment she told me not to open a loot chest is the moment I decided she was out

  • @WolfCross
    @WolfCross Před 3 dny

    I've never had to convince her to not kill the nightsong...

  • @PeteB90
    @PeteB90 Před 3 dny

    This is interesting. I was under strong impression that SH would always spare Nightsong if you do not intervene and let her decide. It kind of ruined my first playthrough, since it appeared like that was the default choice even if you support her faith in Shar. I am curious to see if I can get an outcome where she will kill Nightsong without me pushing her to.

  • @cosmic_drone
    @cosmic_drone Před 3 dny

    The convo where she expresses doubts has been triggering for me after talking with Isobel at Last Light Inn. Also, you only need at least 40 approval for her to spare the Nightsong if you trust her and let her decide on her own.

  • @zimgamingchannel
    @zimgamingchannel Před 3 dny

    In my first and second playthrough I always chose the „let her decide“ option and she always spared nightsong.

  • @turbokralle2768
    @turbokralle2768 Před 3 dny

    You can also pick up a Selunite necklace in the Blight Village for an advantage on the Religion check of the wolfdream conversation, Shadowheart will remark on it if you pick up.

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 3 dny

      Ah hah, so that's the necklace the script is referring to, here: ORI_Shadowheart_Knows_SeenNecklaceDesign I hadn't been able to track down which necklace it meant, and I figured that the scroll passing the check for free was good enough. But if I had known, I definitely would have mentioned it. Thanks a lot for the info.

  • @KhiemNguyen-ly1wz
    @KhiemNguyen-ly1wz Před 3 dny

    Hot dammed didn’t realize the whole thing was this complicated. I managed to get her to spare nightsong by simply trusting her but didn’t realize all the hoops I’ve already jumped through to get to that point. Though I suppose if you’re trying to romance her or get high approval with her it just sort of come naturally

    • @SlimXG
      @SlimXG Před 3 dny

      Yeah, if you have 40+ Approval, you can take the same path in the conversation to spare, regardless of Nightsong Points. It kinda seems like it shoulda been flipped, where her default choice is based on NSP, and approval just makes it easier to talk her into swapping. Which kinda is how it works, but only for that DC21 Persuade.

    • @KhiemNguyen-ly1wz
      @KhiemNguyen-ly1wz Před 3 dny

      @@SlimXG Yeah, it's weird. Though with how buggy the nightsong points seems to be here, maybe it's for the best, unless Larian decide to fix it of course