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35 Remington, 308 , 30 06, 270, 45-70, 303 , .. Lots of Northern Maine, and Labrador Moose have filled freezers for many a family, and they hunter didn't need an expensive Belted Magnum. But to be fair A old Ford Bronco at 15 mph did just as good. And so did the Railroad my Grandfather worked for especially around the rut.

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The 30.06 came out in 1903 and the 300 Win Mag was introduced in 1963. That’s why it didn’t get on the list.

The belted case is not cosmetic. It is used to guarantee head spacing.

My main problem with the 6.8 spc is that reloading does not use a commonly available cartridge or bullet VERY EXPENSIVE which is fine for specialized hunting but not very universal... unlike 6.5 grendel ...

FT/LBS have nothing to do with stopping ability. Does nobody realize that? All handgun calibers depend totally on shot placement. And with shot placement correct, they all do the same thing.

I choose...6mm MAX 😎

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It doesn't matter what kind of shot one uses at bedroom distances

I hate the 556 and 223 there both failures of rounds!

Hilarious, truly, even the pist eording.

Is the 9mm obsolete? With the new ammo, a 380 will do almost anything a 9mm will do with much less recoil. A 40 S&W gives you close to the power of a 10mm out of a 9mm size gun. Other than cheaper ammo, why do we need a 9mm?

The Gristle Gun from eXistenZ; a firearm made from bones and muscle fiber. Also the M79 grenade launcher and the 1887 Winchester, plus the weapons used in the climax of Beverly Hills Cop 2.

4590 500 grain hard cast gas check 1900 fps

You compared light 556 to the heaviest 6.8spc loading, should compare 77gr 556 or 90gr 6.8 to this data

Hardly any history. The 22 WMR was marketed in '59 and was first chambered in the Marlin "Levermatic" guns- Winchester themselves did not make a gun for it until a year later. It was based on a slightly longer version of the old 22WRF case which had gone out of production. Some 22WRF guns will chamber the 22WMR but the pressures of the newer cartridge are much higher and that is courting disaster. The 22LR will usually fire in a gun chambered for the 22WMR, but cases usually split and accuracy is bad; again don't try it. Much debate about the WMR in pistols for self-defense. Bearing in mind that the Marshall/ Sanow studies rated the 44Mag below several other less powerful cartridges, I'm not sure it's reliable for assessing the 22WMR either. Both these examples have low case counts, which apparently skews the results. Gel tests favor velocity, so those may not be good RL indicators either. Personally I don't believe in any cartridge having 'magical' qualities of stopping power which exceeds what it's ballistics cause me to expect, and I think shot placement is a far more significant factor than anything else. It's your butt so you decide for yourself; may you not get it wrong or ever need to discover whether you did or not personally.

Anyone into ammo needs to get a copy of "Cartridges of the World" by Frank Barnes. There are 'wildcats' with a purpose like the 230 Ackley, meant to be the small-bore cartridge for places where 22 caliber wasn't allowed for large game hunting, and some 'wildcat' cartridges like the 22-250 eventually went into commercial production. Lots of weird early semi-auto handgun cartridges and newer oddballs too like the 256 Win for the Ruger Hawkeye pistol and the Marlin 62 'Levermatic' rifles which never quite caught on. The 9mm shotshell was meant for in-city garden pest control and does that job well; it's still sold but good luck finding 24ga shotshells which did see use in Europe.

It's the same argument over and over. In the early 2000s when 6.8 SPC was developed, US SOCOM was looking for something with more power and terminal effectiveness than 5.56 in the ranges that 5.56 operates. That's exactly what 6.8 SPC delivers. In a similar sized rifle to the M4, 6.8 SPC delivers improvements over the 5.56 NATO (yes I know 77gr OTMs are better too but that's not what the Army uses/used) in every single metric except weight. 6.8 SPC adds a couple pounds of weight to a full combat load. The difference is even more pronounced from short barrels. 6.8 SPC even suppresses better. 6.5 Grendel and it's offspring 6mm ARC, are also more effective than 5.56 NATO under 500m but they deliver more long range performance, especially with longer barrels. The 6.8SPC also delivers better long range performance than 5.56 NATO from a long barrel, just not quite as good as 6.5 Grendel or 6mm ARC. But 6.8SPC wasn't designed to shoot that far, it was designed to be better than 5.56 NATO from an M4 within the 500m effective range of 5.56 NATO.

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Will 6.5 grendel work out of a 6.8 SPC mag?

I have Federal 1 Buck shot 2 3/4 lunches 1325 fps muz vel 16 pellets for 12ga shotgun for home defense

6.5 CREEDMOOR!

Already have to correct you 308 is not a "short action". It is a long action.

300 is better in many ways but there's nothing wrong whatsoever with the 30-06. I'll listen in now.

I myself prefer MY SAVAGE 30.06 though

If you are still enough an elk or moose for that matter have walked up close enough to be taken down by a 3030

Can you shoot a 45/70 in a 45/90 Winchester 1886????????????

I'm not sure "Dave" really exists.

Where did you guys go? No more vids?

Wish they still made 8mm mauser rounds . I hunted with them for years and took many deers with them. Got lucky last week found a old box for sale .

HMR?? Ur on crack. WSM is the only rim fire that's powerful enough.

Most fun I've ever had at a bass pro was one year right before rifle season for whitetail. That time when all the hunters of NE Pennsylvania dust off their deer rifles for that 2 weeks of magic. Anyway my friend and I were at cabelas/ bass pro and I was looking for some 7.62x39 that were suitable for hunting when I hear my buddy ask a guy with many boxes of 300 win mag, what he was going to shoot. The confused man replied with "whitetail, what do you think" To which my buddy replies with "right right because the deer are notoriously hard to kill"😅 I almost chocked when he said that, and then I saw the guys enraged face and his contemplating smacking my friend and teaching him some manners, only problem was old boy was 5ft 10 at most and sporting a bit of a gut while my amigo was about 6ft6in in flip flops and had arms bigger around than dudes chest. The combo of Samoan and Scandinavian = big motherfuckers. But anyway chuckles Mcgee just laughs and gives a "real funny" while walking away. What's the point here? Well hunting with high powered rifles in NEPA specifically is pointless. Most shots are taken in wooded areas and under 100 yards. So the guys who live here and have these anti aircraft battery's for deer rifles, I always think back to that little engagement because though snarky and a little rude/ condescending he was A. Absolutely correct & B. Funny as shit I know lever guns are all the rage right now and that's a trend that can't die soon enough but my Bambi killing implement of choice is a marlin 336 35 caliber lever action. Because even if there's a ton of shit like branches, briar etc that heavy ass bullet just doesn't care. And any time someone says "oh yeah my ultra super duper magnum just this side of a howitzer can take shots out to 2000 miles, I always smile because I know this guy shoots that thing a max of 5 times a year an at 80 yards max

145 grain precision hunter 130 and 140 sst are all much closer in power than you think all 3 just under 3000 ft lbs at the muzzel. 3006 started 150gr at 2700 and only went up. 270 started out 130 gr 3140 and was down graded to 3060 till now.

How much grains gun powder each cartridge?

The biggest advantage of the hornet is the noise! Just bought e new Rifle from Weihrauch for Urban Fox control. The Hornet makes much less noise than any other centerfide cartrige and if you can use a muzzler it is definitivly the best joice!

Almost all commercially loaded 30-06 is light loads. Kinda like 10mm. If you roll your own the 06 will surprise you.

As offspring of the Greatest parent cartridge ever, the ambiguous .30 Remington, which is a dead relative to the .35 Remington brush gun family of cartridge.

Have a 1918 1903A4

I have a 94 30 30 Very good shooter

So much wrong with video. Even the title is off. .30 Carbine is cartridge, not a caliber. And repeating the "wouldn't penetrate Chinese clothing" rap is ridiculous. My M1 will penetrate two 3/16 steel plates spaced an inch apart @ 25 yards, and still hit the burm 100 yards out. The carbine was made to be effective out to 300 yds. It's not an 800+ yard battle rifle, nor was it meant to be. It' more a PDW, for close in engagements.

I disagree and agree. My kids are grown. I have a safe pathway for slugs and buckshot, which give me the best chance of stopping the assailants. Same holds true for pistols and rifles. But a door that is secure, I agree, is the safest!

30-06 wasn't outclassed by 308. They went to 7.62x51 NATO (not 308) because they could stack more on a pallet ... logistics. If you're gonna do a video, do the research and don't try to BS your way through it.

I use 8shot for home defense .... works XD

As soon as he said to use slugs for self defense, I made this comment and turned off the video. Bye 👋

12ga. 2 1/4 00 buck - 17 rrnds. of STFU & GTFO on a holographic sighted Tavor TS-12. No compromises. ;> She's been laser bore sighted in and adjusted properly for ranges it operates within the home. As longs as I stay conscious of friendlies and zombies? I have no worries.

The 12ga shotgun is the most devastating firearm on the planet at home defense distances. If im pmaying defense inside 100 yards im picking the 12ga shotgun. Now for what i usually keep in my shotgun... My preferred load is the 8 pellet Federal Flight Control. I can put all 8 pelles on target at 45 yards. I like Hornadys Critical Defense 00 buckshot too. I keeo a few slugs on board the shotgun in case I need to reach out a little. I prefer the Fiocchi Aero dynamics reduced recoil aero slugs or the Federal Tactical Hydro Shok slugs which are hollownpoint slugs so penetration isnt S bad but it will still go through every wall of the house

You lost me with .308 "Performance wise kinda indistinguishable from the 30-06". Really? The only way you get close to this being true (close, but no cigar) is by comparing factory .308 and 30-06 in the 150gr and 165gr range. You certainly are not comparing 180gr and above which are the more likely bullet weights for Moose hunting. And you aren't taking handloading into account which is where you really see the 30-06 leave the .308 WAY behind. Not unlike factory 10mm ammo which was neutered when the .40 S&W came out, modern factory 30-06 is quite neutered which is the only reason why .308 is even close.

Barrel length! 6.8 spc is a more compact rifle , and kills deer and hog famously in Texas

Regarding availability, 5.56/223 is currently plentiful. Once military contracts dry up, it will become hard to keep up with demand. If 6.8 SPC contracts spin up capacity, it will become more available to the public as well. As the host stated, 6.8 SPC AR uppers will fit on AR lowers currently handling 5.56/223 uppers, but you will need 6.8 SPC magazines to take full advantage. Best to use 5.56 for now, and monitor the adoption of 6.8 SPC in the military to determine when to buy a 6.8 SPC upper and magazines.