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Fight club - How the movie cheats the book
A double dip fight club episode about the unfortunate differences between the movie and its source material. In this episode Rafi is replaced by Thomas, who is a person that knows much about movies. We discuss David Fincher, China, Paradise Lost, A Clockwork Orange, and sigma males - all within the context of Fight Club. Hold on to your fedora as we sail into the abyss.
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0:00 Introduction / Key difference between book and novel
5:00 comparing Fight Club and Clockwork Orange
11:00 Impact of Fight Club (movie version)
15:30 Neoliberalism in Fight Club
23:00 Why Tyler Durden is “literally me”
24:00 Fun facts about the film
28:00 David Fincher - making of Fight Club
33:00 Does the movie sell the point of the novel?
40:00 Final thoughts on the film / Roger Ebert’s review
46:00 Fincher being a great director for the film
51:00 Outro
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Komentáře

  • @1995yuda
    @1995yuda Před 3 dny

    Good stuff guys, thanks so much, God bless 🙏

  • @saatmohd9482
    @saatmohd9482 Před 7 dny

    three first words define human and humanity. Mother. Dies. Today.

  • @canopus78
    @canopus78 Před 8 dny

    Ke bien, Bukowski es genial muy gracioso:; su poesía es triste y más real todavía. Un beso❤

  • @thomasjpuleo8112
    @thomasjpuleo8112 Před 10 dny

    Someone needs to rewrite the novel from Jean Farlow’s perspective.

  • @thomasjpuleo8112
    @thomasjpuleo8112 Před 10 dny

    Hebophile, not pedophile, at least in the case of Lolita, big difference.

  • @psevdhome
    @psevdhome Před 10 dny

    Rating Quilty as a worse pedophile than Humbert is really weird. Quilty is an impotent sexual sadist and voyerist. Humbert raped children. Both are bad, Humbert is 10 000 times worse. But he presents his grievance as Quilty taking his Lolita away from him. Humbert certainly thinks Quilty is worse than him. But objectively looking at it, Humbert is clearly much much worse. Quilty is a pornographer, groomer and abuser, Humbert is a rapist.

  • @holden190
    @holden190 Před 15 dny

    The book borders on parody:. “HUMBERT HUMBERT” for example.

  • @botero01
    @botero01 Před 19 dny

    You guys are idiots... "Buffalo Bill was in love with bugs too" lol The guy to the left in particular, I´m really surprised that he knows how to read.

  • @user-kl8vr8io3b
    @user-kl8vr8io3b Před 19 dny

    Это наверное самое подробное описание книги Лолита...

  • @user-kl8vr8io3b
    @user-kl8vr8io3b Před 19 dny

    ребята...отличное обсуждение книги набокова...❤❤❤

  • @robyn905
    @robyn905 Před 22 dny

    I think the one line of the book that convinced me there was atleast an ounce of real love was all the way at the end. “I hope you will love your baby. I hope it will be a boy” And there it is again, that song rhythm that Nabokov does so well…

  • @Booksidontread
    @Booksidontread Před 22 dny

    Great review, thanks guys!👍🏻👍🏻

  • @SuperVioletVamp
    @SuperVioletVamp Před 23 dny

    👏👏👏

  • @thegreatmarondraith8741

    One thing that pissed me off about the movie was not the movie itself. That phone call where Sean said "who's this? Patrick?" My mom introduced me to this movie (albeit too early) and she said: "oh he must be the brother of the guy from American psycho." During this time I had no idea who the author was and I dismissed her like "Mom just because they have the same last name doesn't mean they're related... It pisses me off that she was right all along 😂😂😂😂 I found out after she died however.

  • @darkwitnesslxx
    @darkwitnesslxx Před 27 dny

    Humbert was in love with Annabel. He's trying to replace Annabel. He's trying to change Dolores into Amnabel. If she had lived into her 20's and Humbert had spent his time trying to replace her as she was then, we'd sympathize with him. Media is full of characters, of both sexes, who lost their first loves and couldnt move past them and they are always sympathized with, even though its still a toxic situation.

  • @El_papa_de_Rambo
    @El_papa_de_Rambo Před 27 dny

    No, it is a book about European vs American culture. Why people keep missing that?

  • @alejandrofranco1925
    @alejandrofranco1925 Před 29 dny

    where is the guy on the right from?

  • @happinesstan
    @happinesstan Před měsícem

    He's an author. How many families has Stephen King butchered?

  • @UnnecessaryEyeViewingGarbage

    That one chapter where Patrick is having a panic attack and is freaking out In downtown was my favorite because of how it’s structured. It’s 4 pages with no paragraph breaks and barely any sentences, it’s written like you’re in the head of a person suffering a major major panic attack.

  • @achunaryan3418
    @achunaryan3418 Před měsícem

    Hippy dippy kerouac😂😂😂

  • @bjwnashe5589
    @bjwnashe5589 Před měsícem

    I am the same age as Ellis, grew up in SoCal, spent a lot of time in LA. This book is spot on. That’s what it was like in LA in 1980-81.

  • @Transform108
    @Transform108 Před 2 měsíci

    This review would be better if you did not constantly inject your obvious cultural opinion on this type of attraction. Apart from that Humbert really is a mix of Sociopathic issues ... and some ehhh attraction issues. These are separate things. One is root of his paranoia, frustrations, anti social issues. The other is the root of his love and desire. And then there is the loyalty - which I think is genuine. Excellent commentary on the hazards of love. So many of us marry our mothers/fathers - the early love - or ourselves. An endless theatre for many.

  • @sweaterstripes6295
    @sweaterstripes6295 Před 2 měsíci

    okay i do think that kubrick’s version does fail the story quite a bit, but i think it was part hays code and part kubrick viewing the story as a romance instead of a tragedy

    • @holden190
      @holden190 Před 15 dny

      Nabokov wrote a screenplay that Kubrick would not use. The film credits him and Nabokov with the screenplay, though Nabokov said only 10% of his writing made it to the screen.

  • @andrewmcleod1684
    @andrewmcleod1684 Před 2 měsíci

    Hilarious that all of these accusations against Houellebecq just prove his point that liberalism is gay and anti-human

  • @howardcampbell303
    @howardcampbell303 Před 2 měsíci

    Twenty-something middle class Anglos interpreting Bukowski with pop psychology, and disturbed by the dirtiness and poverty and meanness of Bukowski’s life. He should have been a nicer guy to satisfy such readers?

  • @Infy808
    @Infy808 Před 2 měsíci

    It’s so sad that you have such a small amount of views Your videos are amazing

  • @Infy808
    @Infy808 Před 2 měsíci

    Your conversations about books are great, I love your videos. Sad that you stoped doing them 😢 You are criminally underrated.

  • @NuanceOverDogma
    @NuanceOverDogma Před 2 měsíci

    Wow what a clueless egomaniac the woman is

  • @NuanceOverDogma
    @NuanceOverDogma Před 2 měsíci

    This girl’s views on guy stuff is no different than idiot guys who who are afraid of girly things

  • @NuanceOverDogma
    @NuanceOverDogma Před 2 měsíci

    You guys didn’t get it. Marla made the narrator feel emasculated is why he created Tyler.

  • @TrevorJamesMcNeil
    @TrevorJamesMcNeil Před 2 měsíci

    It's cute how you try to make a link between Houellebecq and the characters when he as said himself "the mistake is to think of me, in actual fact.” Also, 'minute' in terms of sizes it is pronounced "mine'oot."

  • @Fawn-hv7mx
    @Fawn-hv7mx Před 2 měsíci

    Lolita, the novel, is an aesthetic experience par excellence, second to none. Beyond morality and even love itself.

    • @holden190
      @holden190 Před 15 dny

      Most gorgeously written novel ever. His prose is like poetry.

  • @cicolasnage5684
    @cicolasnage5684 Před 2 měsíci

    The chick obviously did not read the book.

  • @ZacharySiple
    @ZacharySiple Před 2 měsíci

    I'm a Christian and I LOVE the movie. It's actually in my Top 10 favorite Bible-based movies, I have the book, and I tried to read it, but it spends a lot of time being like "the desert is dry, the air is windy"- not those words but same idea. I might try it again with your guy's insights. :)

    • @Manfred-nj8vz
      @Manfred-nj8vz Před měsícem

      I highly recommend you to read the book carefully and try to appreciate its poetic language. There is also a very nice and helpful book that might help you understand it much better, which also includes a little essay written by Scorsese himself. The book is called: 'Scandalizing Jesus?: Kazantzakis's The Last Temptation Of Christ Fifty Years On'.

  • @ZacharySiple
    @ZacharySiple Před 2 měsíci

    30:55 What page is this on? This isn't included in the movie?

    • @Manfred-nj8vz
      @Manfred-nj8vz Před měsícem

      The scene is included in the 7th chapter of the novel. The movie cannot include every single scene from a novel of 512 pages.

    • @ZacharySiple
      @ZacharySiple Před měsícem

      @@Manfred-nj8vz Thank you. I understand that, filming 2 naked kids would be even worse for Martin Scorsese :)

    • @ZacharySiple
      @ZacharySiple Před měsícem

      It's pages 93-94, although I don't see anything about clothes removal.

    • @Manfred-nj8vz
      @Manfred-nj8vz Před měsícem

      @@ZacharySiple Well, you have to bare in mind that whenever someone talks about a book, a movie, a poem, a story etc. may slightly modify what he thinks that he's read. It happens (unfortunately) all the time. I understand your objection (or ever your disappointment?) but so it is. However, well done that you did search in the book itself, in order to find the scene as the author wrote it. So must be done.

  • @ZacharySiple
    @ZacharySiple Před 2 měsíci

    26:00-19 They show that in the movie and I think that's one of most beautiful pieces of dialogue in the movie.

  • @ZacharySiple
    @ZacharySiple Před 2 měsíci

    12:06 Well, he has a moment of worry before He is arrested, and He asks God: "If it be possible, let this cup pass from me." Last Temptation is basically a whole story of "let this cup pass from me."

  • @Poookoook
    @Poookoook Před 2 měsíci

    Wow what a trash pod this was. Were the two boring people stoned the entire pod? no insight, just vapid offerings and attempts at pithy commentary. Fail

  • @diddywahdiddy975
    @diddywahdiddy975 Před 2 měsíci

    When are you going to do the most banned book in history: Salman Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses? Too scared of being massacred by the muslims? :-)) Yeah, I am sure you are!

  • @lilymariereads
    @lilymariereads Před 2 měsíci

    hey! something worth knowing is that the discussions of "annabel lee" refer to the edgar allen poe poem of the same name, likely not to a love that humbert actually lost!

    • @holden190
      @holden190 Před 15 dny

      They didn’t catch that? It’s so well-known.

  • @BryanAndrewCothrun
    @BryanAndrewCothrun Před 3 měsíci

    This person compared Flaubert to American Psycho. Seriously seems like they don’t have expansive reading credentials. Anytime a book is summarized as boring this way it seems like the style isn’t being considered enough or just isn’t effective for an individual but gd the way it’s stated seems the former. It’s also not thoughtful criticism to just say it’s boring and the book is also largely about boredom-the word is embedded in the novel many many times ostensibly with great intent.

  • @JCloyd-ys1fm
    @JCloyd-ys1fm Před 3 měsíci

    I can’t help comparing American Psycho with Dostoevsky’s Notes from the Underground. Partially, because Ellis uses an excerpt from the novella to introduce the book, but also because we are stuck within the narrator’s head. I don’t think Ellis is trying to warn us. Bateman is a portrait of a type. There are people out there who are like Bateman, who think like Bateman but don’t kill people (assuming Bateman actually killed people). He’s manic, obsessed with status, materialistic, and completely self-interested. What makes matters worse is that Bateman lives in a culture that encourage selfish behavior. I believe in an innate human nature, but I also believe that the society that you live in can either lessen or enhance your darker impulses. Regarding the violence: Bateman’s violent acts are sadistic and reprehensible, but to be honest they were one of the main things that kept me reading. If Ellis wrote a book called Well Adjusted American Nice Guy, we just wouldn’t be interested. There’s something inside us that just can’t resist or are even attracted to gorey depictions of violence. It’s somehow cathartic…. Anyhow I liked the book. I’m not sure that I’d give it 5 stars, but I definitely wouldn’t give it one star.

  • @user-rb8jf3fc8x
    @user-rb8jf3fc8x Před 3 měsíci

    What a refreshing take on this, in my view, the greatest novel ever. I would have liked more clarity about Nabokov's view of his work. He claimed repeatedly that yes, what Humbert does to Lo is terrible, but that it is also a love story. Interesting too is that he also calls it a mystery! Quilty's role is only hinted at throughout via sly clues, often in other languages, only revealed by Lo herself toward the end, where SHE sums up her feelings about Humbert: "you broke my life"! I recommend reading Lolita every year, especially an annotated version. Each time I delve into Humbert's "mad new dream world", I experience a different reaction, from disgust to pity. It's a masterpiece.

    • @holden190
      @holden190 Před 15 dny

      A gorgeously written novel for sure.

  • @hoggers7572
    @hoggers7572 Před 3 měsíci

    Nice review but what does Paul Owen aka Allen think

  • @hollywooda111
    @hollywooda111 Před 3 měsíci

    Does the guy have to constantly interrupt her!!!? Let her fucking speak

  • @hollywooda111
    @hollywooda111 Před 3 měsíci

    What a way to completely miss the point of the entire book.. 👏

  • @hollywooda111
    @hollywooda111 Před 3 měsíci

    Why does the guy on the left KEEP! interrupting the woman?, really annoying.

  • @SSArcher11
    @SSArcher11 Před 3 měsíci

    very good analysis

  • @christinaify
    @christinaify Před 3 měsíci

    I know I'm late to the conversation. Which level of school banned it? Because yeah, I could see Maus being a lot for an average eight year old to grasp. The images alone would be a lot for a grade schooler. But was it high school? Any high schooler should be able to grasp the face value message of Maus. Banning it for readers 14+ is just not wanting the message to be heard.

  • @DaHanney333
    @DaHanney333 Před 3 měsíci

    I really enjoyed your podcast, sad to see that you didn't upload for a long while !