The fact that Joan can play a vile character like this, but then turn around and play a character like Mildred Pierce really shows how great of an actress she was.
She was MUCH more versatile than many of her peers. She played hard women, kind women, women from money, women from poverty, humour, drama. She's a much better actress than she was ever given credit for.
@@andrewmark2783 Absolutely. I think I actually might like her more than Bette Davis, Davis is great, don’t get me wrong, but I just feel that she’s too over the top at times. Where as Crawford has that subtle style which I enjoy a lot.
@@stevetrowbridge7425 I agree. Which is also why I prefer Glenn Close to Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman to Cate Blanchett. For me, Crawford got the emotional core of her characters right, whereas Davis focused too much on the aesthetics like accents, body tics, etc.
@@andrewmark2783 Oh wow, I actually think the same thing when it comes to Meryl Streep vs Glenn Close. But yes, Crawford’s performances just felt more real and down to earth I guess. Bette just over did it at times.
Vile character? I think this movie (though it's great) is more a morality tale about working class women (notice how often they mention that she worked in a shop) trying to act above their social station than anything else.
They were actually racier than we are. Now, everything's so obvious, it makes sex seem boring. Just part of the furniture. This is great acting, directing, costumes and incredible, crisp dialogue, film quality and editing. This one scene is a masterpiece in itself.
@@marthawoodworth I have to agree with that. Sex is more exciting when there's anticipation and mystery, rather than having everything spelled out for you in excruciating detail before it even happens.
@@hutch1197 Agreed, everything is so ridiculously open now, for those of us that desire a little bit of subtlety and mystery, were called repressive prudes.
Unlike Norma Shearer's, whose acting never quite graduated from the silent era style of emoting.. A very dated performance by her, compared to Crawford and even Rosalind Russell.
That's a very astute observation. She really did have a more natural way of delivering her lines, unlike the stilted way dialogue was often conveyed in that era. She spoke like a person having a conversation in real life.
@@kaidanlane5708 Well, Shearer did emote melodramatically with her face at the end of the film when her character sees her ex-husband Mr. Stephen Haines again. But that was in line with the camp value of this comedy.
The characters were all supposedly typical types seen in New York upper class sets, the types of women familiar to Clare Boothe Luce who wrote the Broadway play in 1936. She'd been part of that world after marrying George Brokaw and moving into his famous mansion on Fifth Avenue. Then she divorced him and married publisher Henry Luce. There was originally a lesbian character too, who appeared in the play but she was dropped for the movie.
That's not "nerve." There's a name for that behavior (and it's not nerve) along with a few names/descriptors for the women who engage in it. They've been around since the dawn of time. Crawford nailed the role!
If you see how all the other actresses deliver their lines, it’s sorta that same, poised monotone style that was common back then. But Joan’s delivery is completely different, her tone is more natural and strangely seductive. She stands out a lot in this scene, her performance was amazing.
Joan and Rosalind are (like) doing something "modern". Norma is good, but not like them, it seems a bit exaggerated, the pace of the performance at the end... By the way, in general she was really good, the scenes with her mother are top notch. The class, poise and bravura to face the unpleasant situation, etc like u said classic hollywood style. Rosalind was exaggerated but her role was to be comic and I say modern because it was the first time I saw an actress doing what many others like Lucille Ball did later, I probably wrong. and others existed before.. It is a GREAT film and in my opinion its because everyone did perfectly what the role demanded but yes, Joan and Rosalind are my favorites. about Joan...she is so captivating " the damned don't cry" scene when she's splitting money with her co-worker is another example of why Joan is so modern in the way she delivers her lines. she was so funny sarcastic and dramatic. love her
I hope you’re young. Young people always make this weird assumption when they discover classics. Joan Crawford is such an icon that she’s 2 or 3 shows about her life and acting since the pandemic lol Nothing underrated about her.
Could you imagine eating popcorn and drinking a soda watching this classic for the first time in a movie theater !!! What a wonderful golden Era!!!♡♡♡♡♡
@@gozerthegozarian9500 this was made in 1938 so the Depression was all but over and America would see almost continuous growth and prosperity for 35 years before the 1973 oil crisis spoiled the party.
Actually movie theaters weren’t selling any food yet in 1938 - no popcorn or sodas yet, believe it or not. No snack bars existed in theaters till about 1950 or so.
I love the casting. Joan as the street smart chippy trying to claw her way out of that pink collar ghetto. And Norma as the happy contented wife who has the rug pulled out from under her but eventually wises up and gets a backbone. It’s so dishy!
Joan started her career being Norma's body double in the silent movies. It must have been great for her to have co-starred with with her and seen how high up the career ladder she had climbed.
I think I read somewhere that Joan had a feud with Norma Sheerer. I think it had something to do with Norma being married to the studio executive. I don't think Joan liked working with Norma and vice versa.
@@kerriethompson2073 true ...better parts when to Norma cause she was married to an MGM executive. However at the end Ms Crawford surpassed all of them.
@@randywhite3947 AshleySaysSo is a CZcams Influencer that does videos on famous celebrities from the old days and gives the juicy info of their lives that we never knew. She’s pretty accurate for sure and she’s been blowing up rather quickly. She did a video on Joan Crawford and put the link to this video in hers.
Joan should've get an Oscar for this role.. her acting here was better than the 2020's Oscar contender for any best actresses categories...her acting in here was timeless..
@Hanna Dziubek Well except that it isn't necessarily true. More people denied the allegations in Christina's book than claimed they might be true. Including the twin girls Joan adopted, who absolutely adored their mother and stated Christina lied...
@@andrewmark2783 Ridiculous. There's an entire documentary on here of quotes from Joan's friends confirming the abuse and that everyone in Hollywood knew about it. Her eldest boy never got over it and killed himself. And it is not unusual for only certain children to be targets of abuse, especially older children; parents have often mellowed out by the time their younger children arrive. People who are startstruck by Joan don't want to admit she was an abusive drunk, but as her dear friend and co-star said of the matter, "Joan should never have tried to me a mother." The issue to separate from her immense cinematic talent.
@@AllAmericanJock Sure, people have said that there is truth to the stories Christina told. But as I said, there were many people - including her twin daughters - who have denied anything happened. If you want to choose to believe the accusations then that's really up to you. But you don't *know* that they're true. Christina waited until Joan was in the ground before she came forward with any of this, so there has never been a trial of facts. Personally, I found it suspicious that Christina and Christopher only made allegations about Joan after being left nothing in her will...
K.C. RIDGEWAY she was great in this😊. Glad she won an Oscar later on for Mildred Pierce. Honestlyeveru actress in The Women is perfect in my opinion. From Rosalind Russel to Paulette Goddard. I wouldn’t have traded a single actor🙏🏼
+B Davis Jennifer Jones was nominated for her portrayal of adulteress Emma Bovary, and Lana Turner for her adulteress Constance Mackenzie in Peyton Place. Vivien Leigh won an Oscar for her wouldbe adulteress Scarlett O'Hara, and Julie Christie won for her portrayal of adulteress Lara in Doctor Zhivago.
Joan and Betty Davis hated each other but just loved each other both Queens of Hollywood and Betty was so sad because Joan went to God but Joan owned this movies with her great acting and so beautiful!!!
She's such a natural. Her acting, compared to that of Garbo's, or even Bette Davis's, aged really well. Weird how in her later years she's more known for being over-the-top and melodramatic.
Norma Shearer was the biggest star of the time, was very talented. She basically walked away from her career at the height of her success. Joan was great too. It's amazing that Norma Shearer is less remembered. She played such strong women.
Norma didn't like her acting in the confrontation scene with Joan. She thought she appeared too saintly. I see her point, but she was a delight to watch in this film. One of my favorite actresses who knew when to call it quits.
It really is. I'm a 200 lbs heterosexual man and I found it incredibly entertaining. Don't let the title fool you. And George Cukor managed to not only control those stars but also make a really good and funny movie. Rosalind Russell is just great as the gossipy troublemaker. There are some uncomfortable truths in this movie for both sexes. Things that millennials seem to have forgotten, or never known, and think they can change. And Crawford took a role that no other star would have touched. She did that a number of times showing a bravery and native intelligence about such things. She got the most publicity from that movie despite being in it so little.
I'll see your fancy new age technology, and raise you one dinosaur. A buddy of mine managed a store in one of the chains (Wasn't Blockbuster, but can't remember which one, considering it was 1992). He let me use his employee discount to purchase a VHS version. OK, "dinosaur" might be trying to flatter myself. I was born in the P.B. era. (Pre BetaMax) :-)
Adrian, as always, nailed it in this scene. Look at how the outfits are perfect for selling the characters and showing the best aspects of these beautiful actresses.
This movie is still excellent. The action zips along propelled by wonderful acting and verbal zingers. It is a shame it wasn't filmed entirely in technicolor. There is an exciting Adrian fashion sequence in color. It is wonderful to see Adrian's creations in color. Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford were wonderful. My personal favorite was Mary Boland as the Countess. She was a scream!
I'm surprised that Joan's line about taking off her clothes was allowed by censorship, which was pretty paranoid then about anything even mildly suggestive. This movie got away with a lot for that time - Joan being so defiant about adultery was also shocking then.
At the end of the movie she said, “And by the way, there is a word for you ladies but it isn’t used in high society....outside of a kennel.” They seemed to have pushed the envelope a lot in this movie.
@@Tyleya Yep.. the omitted b**** is just technical. I guess since she didn't actually SAY it.. Then again, it seems films got away with verbal innuendo - either the censors were dumb or the writers played innocent, or a little of both. lol
@@josiepkat “...there is a word for you ladies but it isn’t used in high society....outside of a kennel” is very implicit. One could call a lady outside of a kennel by any word in the dictionary. The censors just let it stand. Directors found creative ways to get around the Hayes Code guidelines; an example of this was in Alfred Hitchcock's 1946 film, _Notorious_ , where he worked around the rule of three-second-kissing by having the two actors break off every three seconds. The whole sequence lasts two and a half minutes.
crawford, the diva, the legend, the star😎💅💄👠👜 in her greatest perfomance, yet she didn't get her oscar, I wish she could have done more roles like this, beautiful flawless performance 👏👏👏
emsguybob What are you talking about? Norma Shearer was married twice, the first with Irving Thalberg (1927 to 1936, his death) and years later to Martin Arrouge ( 1942 to 1983, her death). So what you said makes no sense at all.
@@celinhabr1 You're right. Martin, you probably already know, was a ski instructor who looked very much like Irving. As Norma's dementia worsened, she would call Martin "Irving."
_The Women_ (1939) was released during Hollywood's Golden Year. The Academy Award Best Picture nominations at the time were: (winner in boldface) *_Gone With the Wind_** - David O. Selznick for Selznick International and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer* _Dark Victory_ - David Lewis for Warner Bros. _Goodbye, Mr. Chips_ - Victor Saville for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer _Love Affair_ - Leo McCarey for RKO Radio _Mr. Smith Goes to Washington_ - Frank Capra for Columbia _Ninotchka_ - Sidney Franklin for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer _Of Mice and Men_ - Lewis Milestone for Hal Roach Prod. and United Artists _Stagecoach_ - Walter Wanger for United Artists _The Wizard of Oz_ - Mervyn LeRoy for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer _Wuthering Heights_ - Samuel Goldwyn for Samuel Goldwyn Prod. and United Artists The Best Supporting Actress nominees were: (winner in boldface) *Hattie McDaniel - Gone With the Wind as Mammy* Olivia de Havilland - Gone with the Wind as Melanie Hamilton Geraldine Fitzgerald - Wuthering Heights as Isabella Linton Edna May Oliver - Drums Along the Mohawk as Mrs. McKlennar Maria Ouspenskaya - Love Affair as Grandmother Janou
Joan is the definition of high class a real inspiration ..till now we’re in 2021 and no freaking new actresses from this generation could catch up her level no freaking one ! Rest In Peace Joan
I love this movie! Joan Crawford is awesome at being mean and Norma Shearer is great at being sweet and kind! The whole cast of this film is great! The Countess DeLave and the lady who runs the boarding house in Reno (Ma Kettle) are a hoot! Even Little Mary is sweet and sharp!
Crawford is great here. I think that she was arguably at her best and turned in her finest work as an actress, when she was working opposite women rather than men (with Shearer et. al in The Women, Ann Blyth and Eve Arden in Mildred Pierce, and, obviously, Bette Davis, in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?, to name just a few classic examples). Maybe it got her competitive juices flowing when working opposite other high-caliber actresses. Too bad she and Garbo didn't share any screen time when they both appeared in Grand Hotel.
The Best Supporting Actress nominees for that year: *Hattie McDaniel - **_Gone With the Wind_** as Mammy* Olivia de Havilland - _Gone with the Wind_ as Melanie Hamilton Geraldine Fitzgerald - _Wuthering Heights_ as Isabella Linton Edna May Oliver - _Drums Along the Mohawk_ as Mrs. McKlennar Maria Ouspenskaya - _Love Affair_ as Grandmother Janou
Norma Shearer was the queen of MGM in the 30s and Joan Crawford was always envious of that. They did not get along. However, Miss Crawford got some of her own medicine back from Gloria Graham!
Crawford was THE original MGM starlet. Just happened to be not only classically beautiful.. her acting and her boundless talent. She was a natural to be the shining star or the film throughout the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Watch (if you haven't) A Woman's Face. It's a tour de force, Let's talk about Joan in the Film Noir of the forties .... no there's just too much to go on about. What a flawless woman. I DO love me some Joan.
Joan Crawford and Norma Shearer's performances are timeless and Joan's had Best Supporting Actress written all over it. This is what great acting looks like.
Joan Crawford’s talent was really something. Thats something you really can’t teach. Garbo & Shearer were great actresses, but Joan like Davis was PHENOMENAL‼️‼️‼️⭐️
It takes all kinds. If that girl would be happy then who are we to tell her different? Perhaps she'd be happier than the rest of us. Nothing is black and white when it comes to human beings. And there are some uncomfortable truths in this movie for both sexes. Things that millennials seem to have forgotten, or never known, and think they can change.
I'm by no means sympathizing with Joan's character in this film, as Crystal and people like her are obviously contemptible, but I love the boldness and the confidence of Crystal, regardless of her immorality which I don't condone. Joan's portrayal of Crystal was perfection.
Great movie, fine performance by both actresses. Joan was salty because Norma was married to the boss then boy wonder Irving Thalberg. Seems funny, this movie was shot in 1939, still as we are in 2018 the Women blame the other woman for her husbands womanizing!
James Martin, please, if you only hear about the behind the scenes shenanigans that went on between the various actresses during the making of the film, the movie was pretty much a spot on portrayal....a case of art imitating life.
Irving Thalberg was dead by the time they made "The Women," and Norma Shearer no longer had his protection or the complex, interesting roles she did in the early thirties.
@@lemorab1 Very true, but Joan had made complaints about Norma getting all the parts when Thalberg was alive. She realized pretty quick that wasn't going to get her anywhere so she had to deal with it. That said, people knew there were bitter feelings between the two of them, and it was tense on set. Much like her rivalry with Davis - the casting of Crawford and Shearer was great for creating initial buzz about this film.
The fact that Joan can play a vile character like this, but then turn around and play a character like Mildred Pierce really shows how great of an actress she was.
She was MUCH more versatile than many of her peers. She played hard women, kind women, women from money, women from poverty, humour, drama. She's a much better actress than she was ever given credit for.
@@andrewmark2783 Absolutely. I think I actually might like her more than Bette Davis, Davis is great, don’t get me wrong, but I just feel that she’s too over the top at times. Where as Crawford has that subtle style which I enjoy a lot.
@@stevetrowbridge7425 I agree. Which is also why I prefer Glenn Close to Meryl Streep and Nicole Kidman to Cate Blanchett. For me, Crawford got the emotional core of her characters right, whereas Davis focused too much on the aesthetics like accents, body tics, etc.
@@andrewmark2783 Oh wow, I actually think the same thing when it comes to Meryl Streep vs Glenn Close. But yes, Crawford’s performances just felt more real and down to earth I guess. Bette just over did it at times.
Vile character? I think this movie (though it's great) is more a morality tale about working class women (notice how often they mention that she worked in a shop) trying to act above their social station than anything else.
"If anything I wear doesn't please Steven, I take it off." That's an extremely racy line for that era. And Joan delivered it so flawlessly.
My favorite line in this clip.
They were actually racier than we are. Now, everything's so obvious, it makes sex seem boring. Just part of the furniture. This is great acting, directing, costumes and incredible, crisp dialogue, film quality and editing. This one scene is a masterpiece in itself.
@@marthawoodworth I have to agree with that. Sex is more exciting when there's anticipation and mystery, rather than having everything spelled out for you in excruciating detail before it even happens.
@@hutch1197 Agreed, everything is so ridiculously open now, for those of us that desire a little bit of subtlety and mystery, were called repressive prudes.
the scene is less about Mary Haines and Crystal Allen - more Norma Shearer going head to head with Joan Crawford. feel the love.
Joan Crawford’s acting is so natural and modern- like not dated at all.
Unlike Norma Shearer's, whose acting never quite graduated from the silent era style of emoting..
A very dated performance by her, compared to Crawford and even Rosalind Russell.
That's a very astute observation. She really did have a more natural way of delivering her lines, unlike the stilted way dialogue was often conveyed in that era. She spoke like a person having a conversation in real life.
@@hutch1197 Well, like a person who had an acting and dialog coach at MGM.
I've always loved the bit where she says, "I'm sick of hearing about her" because it sounds so modern.
@@kaidanlane5708 Well, Shearer did emote melodramatically with her face at the end of the film when her character sees her ex-husband Mr. Stephen Haines again. But that was in line with the camp value of this comedy.
Damn, gets confronted by the wife and basically tells her she doesn't give af and that she's not going to stop. That's some nerve.
They do it today all the time, just not with such splashy dialog.
That brazen hussy!
The characters were all supposedly typical types seen in New York upper class sets, the types of women familiar to Clare Boothe Luce who wrote the Broadway play in 1936. She'd been part of that world after marrying George Brokaw and moving into his famous mansion on Fifth Avenue. Then she divorced him and married publisher Henry Luce. There was originally a lesbian character too, who appeared in the play but she was dropped for the movie.
@@Dragonrdh The great actress!!
That's not "nerve." There's a name for that behavior (and it's not nerve) along with a few names/descriptors for the women who engage in it. They've been around since the dawn of time. Crawford nailed the role!
Joan Crawford and Norma Shearer together are the definition of top acting. They were born to be movie stars.
Joan Crawford should've been nominated for best supporting actress for The Women, she is so good in this picture, specially in this scene
Oh man I totally agree.
Joan should have been recognized for all so many times she was simply written off. Crawford and Shearer in the same film!? Yikes, genius.
Why would either of them fight over this Steven....he sounds appalling
Exactly! What a waste of a human being!
I don’t think Crystal Allen really valued him as a person so much as a wallet.
This woman (Joan Crawford) is hypnotizing by her attitude, her eyes, her voice...
Her eyes just dazzle!
True Joan was an incredible Actress
Apparently Steven Haines thought so too - "hypnotizing", that is...
Yeah it’s her eyes 😎
JC looks masculine.
A time when stars were STARS.
And everybody smoked.
Enough with that
Only if you were white....
If you see how all the other actresses deliver their lines, it’s sorta that same, poised monotone style that was common back then. But Joan’s delivery is completely different, her tone is more natural and strangely seductive. She stands out a lot in this scene, her performance was amazing.
Joan and Rosalind are (like) doing something "modern". Norma is good, but not like them, it seems a bit exaggerated, the pace of the performance at the end... By the way, in general she was really good, the scenes with her mother are top notch. The class, poise and bravura to face the unpleasant situation, etc like u said classic hollywood style. Rosalind was exaggerated but her role was to be comic and I say modern because it was the first time I saw an actress doing what many others like Lucille Ball did later, I probably wrong. and others existed before..
It is a GREAT film and in my opinion its because everyone did perfectly what the role demanded but yes, Joan and Rosalind are my favorites. about Joan...she is so captivating " the damned don't cry" scene when she's splitting money with her co-worker is another example of why Joan is so modern in the way she delivers her lines. she was so funny sarcastic and dramatic. love her
Joan's performance is BRILLIANT!!!, still fresh and modern!
agree! all of her scenes in the bubble bath are also funny especially the one with her and Rosalind Russell - still hilarious
Joan was incredible, so believable as the "other woman."
Karen Chadwick because she’s played that role before.
mykel1990 Yup.
@@mykel1990
In real life with her stepfather.
2degucitas She was 11
Pretty sure Joan Crawford was the other woman in real life
Joan Crawford's acting is flawless, very underrated.
“Underrated”? She is universally recognized as one of the greatest.
Ya'll say any old thing huh? Miss Crawford is generally regarded as one of the finest actresses to grace the screens, she is n no way underrated.
Um...underated??🤣
I hope you’re young. Young people always make this weird assumption when they discover classics. Joan Crawford is such an icon that she’s 2 or 3 shows about her life and acting since the pandemic lol Nothing underrated about her.
"Underrated" is the word people with limited vocabularies use to say "I like it."
I love the part at around 2:25 where Joan Crawford opens the door and a bunch of women start scurrying away from the door, so funny!
Ayy who’s here from Ashley Says So!? Chile... Joan was phenomenal!!!
"You are a hard one, aren't you". I love the drama and sentiment of that line.
Could you imagine eating popcorn and drinking a soda watching this classic for the first time in a movie theater !!! What a wonderful golden Era!!!♡♡♡♡♡
I still watch it in the theater with a live audience. The audience participation can be hilarious.
Sure, if you ignore pesky lil' details like the Great Depression😂
@@gozerthegozarian9500 this was made in 1938 so the Depression was all but over and America would see almost continuous growth and prosperity for 35 years before the 1973 oil crisis spoiled the party.
Actually movie theaters weren’t selling any food yet in 1938 - no popcorn or sodas yet, believe it or not. No snack bars existed in theaters till about 1950 or so.
Joan was so sassy on this😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Think this is her femme fatale role-much more suited to her than “Mildred Pierce”
Sassy ain’t the word, ‘evil bitch’ is more like it.
I love the casting. Joan as the street smart chippy trying to claw her way out of that pink collar ghetto. And Norma as the happy contented wife who has the rug pulled out from under her but eventually wises up and gets a backbone. It’s so dishy!
Yea. She won that one. Esp the very last line.
Joan started her career being Norma's body double in the silent movies. It must have been great for her to have co-starred with with her and seen how high up the career ladder she had climbed.
I think I read somewhere that Joan had a feud with Norma Sheerer. I think it had something to do with Norma being married to the studio executive. I don't think Joan liked working with Norma and vice versa.
@@kerriethompson2073 You probably read _The Divine Feud_ .
@@kerriethompson2073 Found it. czcams.com/video/nb3QM43tDpI/video.html
@@kerriethompson2073 true ...better parts when to Norma cause she was married to an MGM executive. However at the end Ms Crawford surpassed all of them.
@@augustinecubero6011 how? She died alone
I’m here because of Ashley Says So!!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾 Joan did that!!!!
Same
Who’s Ashley?
@@randywhite3947 AshleySaysSo is a CZcams Influencer that does videos on famous celebrities from the old days and gives the juicy info of their lives that we never knew. She’s pretty accurate for sure and she’s been blowing up rather quickly. She did a video on Joan Crawford and put the link to this video in hers.
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@Ace Blanks hey Ace! I'm back here watching this too 😂
Joan should've get an Oscar for this role.. her acting here was better than the 2020's Oscar contender for any best actresses categories...her acting in here was timeless..
She was NOT acting though ....
A leading actor would never slum in the supporting category back then.
It definitely rivals the naturalistic style we have today. You can see the stark difference between Norma and the other ladies style and Joan’s style.
Joan Crawford herself said that MGM would never have put her name forward for an Oscar nomination let alone winning one.
Crawford and Shearer's off-screen feud makes this film delicious to watch.
Like hers & Betty Davis' in "Whatever Happened To Baby Jane"!!!!!
History has not been kind to Joan Crawford - she was a much better actress than she is acknowledged for today.
Thanks to her ungrateful bitch daughter
Partly MGMs fault for not campaigning her for Oscars when she was their main star.
@Hanna Dziubek Well except that it isn't necessarily true. More people denied the allegations in Christina's book than claimed they might be true. Including the twin girls Joan adopted, who absolutely adored their mother and stated Christina lied...
@@andrewmark2783 Ridiculous. There's an entire documentary on here of quotes from Joan's friends confirming the abuse and that everyone in Hollywood knew about it. Her eldest boy never got over it and killed himself. And it is not unusual for only certain children to be targets of abuse, especially older children; parents have often mellowed out by the time their younger children arrive. People who are startstruck by Joan don't want to admit she was an abusive drunk, but as her dear friend and co-star said of the matter, "Joan should never have tried to me a mother." The issue to separate from her immense cinematic talent.
@@AllAmericanJock Sure, people have said that there is truth to the stories Christina told. But as I said, there were many people - including her twin daughters - who have denied anything happened. If you want to choose to believe the accusations then that's really up to you. But you don't *know* that they're true. Christina waited until Joan was in the ground before she came forward with any of this, so there has never been a trial of facts. Personally, I found it suspicious that Christina and Christopher only made allegations about Joan after being left nothing in her will...
Joan should have gotten an Oscar nom for this. She was amazing!
K.C. RIDGEWAY The adulteress never gets nominated.
K.C. RIDGEWAY she was great in this😊. Glad she won an Oscar later on for Mildred Pierce. Honestlyeveru actress in The Women is perfect in my opinion. From Rosalind Russel to Paulette Goddard. I wouldn’t have traded a single actor🙏🏼
+B Davis Jennifer Jones was nominated for her portrayal of adulteress Emma Bovary, and Lana Turner for her adulteress Constance Mackenzie in Peyton Place. Vivien Leigh won an Oscar for her wouldbe adulteress Scarlett O'Hara, and Julie Christie won for her portrayal of adulteress Lara in Doctor Zhivago.
The movie wasn't even nominated for an Oscar unfortunately.
Joa should have received many awards, she was a great actress!
Fun fact. Joan Crawford's first movie role was in Lady of the Night (1925). She was the uncredited body double for Norma Shearer.
She was also in 1925's "The Merry Widow," one of many extras.
THE SHADE!!!! Go Joan Go!!!! she was AMAZING in this part
and just think, they didn't want her for the part. She fought for this role.
Yes but methinks ‘mommy dearest’ is enjoying her part just a little TOO much
Now that I've seen her, I can't imagine any other star of that time doing it better. Maybe Rosalind Russell could have pulled it off though.
Norma Shearer was so classy and beautiful.
Norma looked beautiful in this scene
I agree. Hardly anyone even knows who she is nowadays. It's a pity.
I never get tired of this movie
Omg Joan was a goddess her acting for the time was so natural her eyes and her mouth expressions.....beautiful and iconic
Joan seems to be a more realistic actress
Joan and Betty Davis hated each other but just loved each other both Queens of Hollywood and Betty was so sad because Joan went to God but Joan owned this movies with her great acting and so beautiful!!!
She's such a natural. Her acting, compared to that of Garbo's, or even Bette Davis's, aged really well. Weird how in her later years she's more known for being over-the-top and melodramatic.
Norma Shearer never outgrew the acting style from the silent era.
@@kaydenalexander4174 I disagree, she was fantastic in The Divorcee, which was a very natural performance.
@@BLUEOHIO Why do you and others persist in misspelling Bette Davis' name?
Norma Shearer was the biggest star of the time, was very talented. She basically walked away from her career at the height of her success. Joan was great too. It's amazing that Norma Shearer is less remembered. She played such strong women.
She turned down Gone With The Wind too!
Norma didn't like her acting in the confrontation scene with Joan. She thought she appeared too saintly. I see her point, but she was a delight to watch in this film. One of my favorite actresses who knew when to call it quits.
@@haintedhouse3052 called it quits too early, if you ask me. I would have loved to have seen her in Gone With the Wind...
Mark Richards
Norma shearer has a dog's face.
She didn't retire at the height of her career. Her last film was a bomb.
I think that the tension between Shearer and Crawford enhanced their performances, especially in this scene.
Great film. I have had the DVD for 7 years and have probably watched it 150 times.
It really is. I'm a 200 lbs heterosexual man and I found it incredibly entertaining. Don't let the title fool you. And George Cukor managed to not only control those stars but also make a really good and funny movie. Rosalind Russell is just great as the gossipy troublemaker. There are some uncomfortable truths in this movie for both sexes. Things that millennials seem to have forgotten, or never known, and think they can change. And Crawford took a role that no other star would have touched. She did that a number of times showing a bravery and native intelligence about such things. She got the most publicity from that movie despite being in it so little.
I'll see your fancy new age technology, and raise you one dinosaur. A buddy of mine managed a store in one of the chains (Wasn't Blockbuster, but can't remember which one, considering it was 1992). He let me use his employee discount to purchase a VHS version. OK, "dinosaur" might be trying to flatter myself. I was born in the P.B. era. (Pre BetaMax) :-)
@@RJT80 dont fool yourself....she knew that was a meaty role that will put her right back on top....were she belongs.
Adrian, as always, nailed it in this scene. Look at how the outfits are perfect for selling the characters and showing the best aspects of these beautiful actresses.
This movie is still excellent. The action zips along propelled by wonderful acting and verbal zingers. It is a shame it wasn't filmed entirely in technicolor. There is an exciting Adrian fashion sequence in color. It is wonderful to see Adrian's creations in color. Norma Shearer and Joan Crawford were wonderful. My personal favorite was Mary Boland as the Countess. She was a scream!
Joan ROCKS
Great scene. Joan is incredible. The dialogue perfectly delineates the 2 characters and a classic conflict
I'm surprised that Joan's line about taking off her clothes was allowed by censorship, which was pretty paranoid then about anything even mildly suggestive. This movie got away with a lot for that time - Joan being so defiant about adultery was also shocking then.
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LG
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At the end of the movie she said, “And by the way, there is a word for you ladies but it isn’t used in high society....outside of a kennel.”
They seemed to have pushed the envelope a lot in this movie.
Since Joan's character was punished in the end, I suppose they thought it was fine.
@@Tyleya Yep.. the omitted b**** is just technical. I guess since she didn't actually SAY it.. Then again, it seems films got away with verbal innuendo - either the censors were dumb or the writers played innocent, or a little of both. lol
@@josiepkat “...there is a word for you ladies but it isn’t used in high society....outside of a kennel” is very implicit. One could call a lady outside of a kennel by any word in the dictionary. The censors just let it stand. Directors found creative ways to get around the Hayes Code guidelines; an example of this was in Alfred Hitchcock's 1946 film, _Notorious_ , where he worked around the rule of three-second-kissing by having the two actors break off every three seconds. The whole sequence lasts two and a half minutes.
crawford, the diva, the legend, the star😎💅💄👠👜 in her greatest perfomance, yet she didn't get her oscar, I wish she could have done more roles like this, beautiful flawless performance 👏👏👏
Brilliantly directed by the great George Cukor.
Wow! Joan is so natural and her acting flows. Norma is really stilted.
Yes I totally agree with you
@@pinkprincess1711Norma's acting is more compatible with silent films.
If only Hollywood had actresses like this today.
that's a tuff review .the studio controlled everything back then.
Jessica Lange might want to talk to you. She played Joan Crawford perfectly. Also, "The Postman Always Rings Twice" and AHS.
Joan. Electric.
That black dress on Norma Shearer is GIVING!🖤
I love Norma Shearer, She was a LADY and a wonderful actress!!!!! Rest in peace sweet angel.....
LOVE JOAN BETTER
Shearer dumped her husband to sleep with her boss and get the movie parts, lady my foot.
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What are you talking about? Norma Shearer was married twice, the first with Irving Thalberg (1927 to 1936, his death) and years later to Martin Arrouge ( 1942 to 1983, her death). So what you said makes no sense at all.
@@celinhabr1 You're right. Martin, you probably already know, was a ski instructor who looked very much like Irving. As Norma's dementia worsened, she would call Martin "Irving."
Joan is a queen
0:20 That moment made me laugh so hard. That woman ran the hell out of room. 😂
Ashley says so brought me here. Great story about Joan Crawford.
Damn!!! How in the world did Joan not get an Oscar nomination for this?!? Probably the era and that other woman character. Brava Joan!
_The Women_ (1939) was released during Hollywood's Golden Year.
The Academy Award Best Picture nominations at the time were: (winner in boldface)
*_Gone With the Wind_** - David O. Selznick for Selznick International and Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer*
_Dark Victory_ - David Lewis for Warner Bros.
_Goodbye, Mr. Chips_ - Victor Saville for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
_Love Affair_ - Leo McCarey for RKO Radio
_Mr. Smith Goes to Washington_ - Frank Capra for Columbia
_Ninotchka_ - Sidney Franklin for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
_Of Mice and Men_ - Lewis Milestone for Hal Roach Prod. and United Artists
_Stagecoach_ - Walter Wanger for United Artists
_The Wizard of Oz_ - Mervyn LeRoy for Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer
_Wuthering Heights_ - Samuel Goldwyn for Samuel Goldwyn Prod. and United Artists
The Best Supporting Actress nominees were: (winner in boldface)
*Hattie McDaniel - Gone With the Wind as Mammy*
Olivia de Havilland - Gone with the Wind as Melanie Hamilton
Geraldine Fitzgerald - Wuthering Heights as Isabella Linton
Edna May Oliver - Drums Along the Mohawk as Mrs. McKlennar
Maria Ouspenskaya - Love Affair as Grandmother Janou
My favourite actress legend Joan Crawford
Joan is amazing in this scene.
Fell in love with Norma Shearer in this classic.
Joan Crawford’s acting here…. Is not old fashion. Its modern!!!! 😮😮😮❤
Joan is the definition of high class a real inspiration ..till now we’re in 2021 and no freaking new actresses from this generation could catch up her level no freaking one ! Rest In Peace Joan
Actors are still pretty great though it seems studios have a harder time pushing out memorable movies for them to be a part of.
She was so hot that her cigarette lit up without the match
😭😭
They were both well matched!!
Norma Shearer is so lovely and strong. I love her in all her movies.
Norma Shearer Intelligent woman! Real lady!🌹🌹🌹
I love this movie! Joan Crawford is awesome at being mean and Norma Shearer is great at being sweet and kind! The whole cast of this film is great! The Countess DeLave and the lady who runs the boarding house in Reno (Ma Kettle) are a hoot! Even Little Mary is sweet and sharp!
"Get me a bromide...and put some gin in it!"
Marjorie Main (Ma Kettle)
You left out the best part!! “Try our new foundation garment! Zips up the back and no bones! »
No BONES.
jamie whitehead yeah? I must have been mistaken, thanks 😊
Norma Shearer is one of my all time favorites. ❤
The remake was pathetic. They could've remade this script.
AshleySaysSo brought me here 2021! Awesome find
One of my favorite movies 👍👍
Crawford is great here. I think that she was arguably at her best and turned in her finest work as an actress, when she was working opposite women rather than men (with Shearer et. al in The Women, Ann Blyth and Eve Arden in Mildred Pierce, and, obviously, Bette Davis, in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?, to name just a few classic examples). Maybe it got her competitive juices flowing when working opposite other high-caliber actresses. Too bad she and Garbo didn't share any screen time when they both appeared in Grand Hotel.
Garbo said so too.
i agree. with other women she could concentrate more on her actual character instead of worrying about appearing alluring with the men.
Joan should have gotten her first Oscar for this, and her third for #Humoresque
The Best Supporting Actress nominees for that year:
*Hattie McDaniel - **_Gone With the Wind_** as Mammy*
Olivia de Havilland - _Gone with the Wind_ as Melanie Hamilton
Geraldine Fitzgerald - _Wuthering Heights_ as Isabella Linton
Edna May Oliver - _Drums Along the Mohawk_ as Mrs. McKlennar
Maria Ouspenskaya - _Love Affair_ as Grandmother Janou
...or in the '50's for "Sudden Fear" .
@@RaymondHng She was better than both.
BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT BRILLIANT
You can't help but warm up to Crawford's portrayal despite the character's flaws. That is the mark of a great performance!
This is one of only two scenes of Crawford and Shearer together in the film.
RaymondHng there is an alternate version where Norma says.."Not that one . Steven doesn't like circus clothes"..
I've lost count of the number of times I've seen this at the theatre and the dialog has always been "...such obvious effects".
Joan Crawford is superb
Joan was incredible
Norma Shearer was the queen of MGM in the 30s and Joan Crawford was always envious of that. They did not get along. However, Miss Crawford got some of her own medicine back from Gloria Graham!
I did like Susan Heyward a beautiful lady and wonderful actress, Joan Crawford, Bette Davis, Ava Gardner, Lana Turner and Barbara Stanwick.
Is everybody here 12 years old? Gloria Grahame, Susan Hayward, Barbara Stanwyck.
The lady that says”Their in the soup” is played by Blossom Rock who played Ma Ma on Adams family.She is also the sister of Jeanette McDonald.
The shade thrown in this movie from the ladies!!! 😂🤣
Crawford was THE original MGM starlet. Just happened to be not only classically beautiful.. her acting and her boundless talent. She was a natural to be the shining star or the film throughout the 30s, 40s, and 50s. Watch (if you haven't) A Woman's Face. It's a tour de force,
Let's talk about Joan in the Film Noir of the forties .... no there's just too much to go on about. What a flawless woman. I DO love me some Joan.
Whew. The tension can cut diamonds in half.
Damn acting back was something serious!!!
It just flows off Joan so well.🤗
I think this is one of the best scenes I have seen
Joan Crawford and Norma Shearer's performances are timeless and Joan's had Best Supporting Actress written all over it. This is what great acting looks like.
This was the year of Gone With the Wind, and Hattie McDaniel had to be the first African American winner!
One of my all time favorite movies from the golden age of Hollywood
“When anything I wear doesn’t please Steven I take it off” ouch
Joan Crawford’s talent was really something. Thats something you really can’t teach. Garbo & Shearer were great actresses, but Joan like Davis was PHENOMENAL‼️‼️‼️⭐️
Damn!!! Joan Crawford was just Beast Mode!!!! She should be the example used in classes to illustrate the glamour of old Hollywood 😊
This is glorious!
"No, he's never mentioned you" is lowkey savagery. As is, "you're even more typical than I dared hope."
That has NOTHING on. "Don't lay any BETS on that, Mrs. Haines, I'm not YOU!"
I love old classic movies they are so relaxing to watch
Norma Shearer... talk of a forgotten movie star.
The last line makes this kind of sad, "What else have we got to give?" Not much has changed since then.
Yes, it's extremely sad that countless women to this day believe that, and conduct themselves as such.
Mel Moi v
Mel Moi Maybe in the west, but many other parts of the world are still way behind.
thekingofmoney2000- I know that! But I am referring to the western way of thinking like here in the US.
It takes all kinds. If that girl would be happy then who are we to tell her different? Perhaps she'd be happier than the rest of us. Nothing is black and white when it comes to human beings. And there are some uncomfortable truths in this movie for both sexes. Things that millennials seem to have forgotten, or never known, and think they can change.
I'm by no means sympathizing with Joan's character in this film, as Crystal and people like her are obviously contemptible, but I love the boldness and the confidence of Crystal, regardless of her immorality which I don't condone. Joan's portrayal of Crystal was perfection.
Crystal tries to provoke Mrs. Haynes to a fight because she knows that if you win the fight, you lose the man.
Loved Joan in this movie . I found my self rooting for her character
Joan Crawford is great in this. She easily upstaged the rest of the dames.
EverythingClassic She couldn't upstage Rosalind Russell.
Not quite.
Sorry, but NO ONE can upstage Rosalind Russel.
@@shannononefield I adore Joan, but Ros did the best work in that film and had a much larger role.
Norma's eyes are breath taking.
Brilliant acting - Joan Crawford is spectacular
She killed this!!!
Great movie, fine performance by both actresses. Joan was salty because Norma was married to the boss then boy wonder Irving Thalberg. Seems funny, this movie was shot in 1939, still as we are in 2018 the Women blame the other woman for her husbands womanizing!
Yelitza Perez
Many do, sadly.
Not me, though!
My ex is a sexual predator. A rat in a cookie jar is still a rat.
Her husband was wrong having an affair, just as the "other woman" is also wrong to be involved with a married man. Both should be held accountable.
James Martin, please, if you only hear about the behind the scenes shenanigans that went on between the various actresses during the making of the film, the movie was pretty much a spot on portrayal....a case of art imitating life.
Irving Thalberg was dead by the time they made "The Women," and Norma Shearer no longer had his protection or the complex, interesting roles she did in the early thirties.
@@lemorab1 Very true, but Joan had made complaints about Norma getting all the parts when Thalberg was alive. She realized pretty quick that wasn't going to get her anywhere so she had to deal with it. That said, people knew there were bitter feelings between the two of them, and it was tense on set. Much like her rivalry with Davis - the casting of Crawford and Shearer was great for creating initial buzz about this film.
This is what I call classy "reads" and "shade"!
Two women at the top of their game. Pure class.