This Infamously Hoarded Arcade Game is Finally Public
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- What do you think about hoarded lost media? Do you still considered it lost if it is simply unreleased to the public or would the better term be "Endanger Media?" Do we need a scale like they have for extinct animals?
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Hoarded Lost Media is pretty beyond selfish. Preservation is a must for any media
Agreed, imagine being that one guy who knowingly has a piece is lost media but decides to not release it just to brag about it.
Capitalism ruins everything
@@Miss_Xhiel Where did you get Hoarded Lost Media with Capitalism?
@@platinumdiamond1445 They hoard it because it has capital value lmfao. That's the only reason. If it wasn't worth money, they wouldn't do it. You see this all the time with rare games.
I feel the same way about private art and artifact collections that rich people have. Like that shit belongs in a museum
"The game will lose value if dumped online" is such a bs excuse cuz most of the rare games I find still cost the same after they're dumped online
Emulation doesn't stop Chibi Robo from being $200 :P
@@WilfredCthulu sadly true
@@WilfredCthulu same with EarthBound :(
100% incorrect. You're talking readily available games made in relatively massive amounts. It's undeniable fact that dumping a one of a kind prototype MASSIVELY drops the value of the proto cart/disc.
@@RetroDoneRight There are limited copies of Nintendo World Championship 1990, the ROM is out there online yet the cartridges are still worth thousands
The only reason he was able to play it was because someone was nice enough to give him some ROMs, yet he refused to do the same?
He's a complete hypocrite
Yeah it’s infuriating to hear a story like that only for the guy to be a jerk
@@zestyvoyage2188 especially considering he was given permission by Atari to make a copy.
And Atari still legally owns the game.
I know right? I'm like it's ok for you to have permission but not the world? AFAIK, Atari gave the world permission.... It's a rare game that must be preserved.
"The game would lose value" aka "It wouldn't be _my_ special little thing that I can parade around as a personal trophy and may occassionally let you peasants touch."
An attitude which has been hammered into them from birth by Disney-authored copyright law and culture.
@@autobotstarscream765 Where are you getting that from?
And that doesnt make even sense because he will still have the original who make his Collection special.
Which is also a stupid mindset, because anyone who's dipped even a toe into the retro gaming community will tell you: there's always people who will want to play games on original hardware. So his version is still special and will still get people coming to play it. Though, maybe not as many now, since he's burned so many bridges.
@@PiroKUSS History.
"Like Billy Mitchell, I booted up the emulator" Good one lol
absolutely
I snorted
I came here to post the same if this wasn’t already here :-)
rekt
Came here to make this same comment.
The hardware is worth so much more than the software. These historic pieces won't lose their value when dumped and should always be preserved.
old hardware is basically worthless - as shown in episodes of " pawn stars " .
I hate when someone announces they found lost media and collectors are asking to keep it for themselves for profit. There will eventually be a case where a collector buys lost media and loses it again.
It's probably already happened numerous times
Apparently there are like half a dozen Doctor Who episodes known to exist in the hands of collectors.
I wonder how many hoarders are sold any unit
It's inevitable, in fact.
I bet it has happened at least thrice
In my eyes, releasing a piece of lost media online to preserve it is more valuable to me than keeping it for myself
That true, I wouldn't be surprise if the dump was release by the original creator which actually found out that fan will probally want to try the game even if it isn't on his original form.
You don’t happen to have any lost episodes of “Doctor Who,” do you? Asking for a friend. 😂
@@DracosKasurani That was my first thought, too.
@@RonMotta1972 I wish, but finding Lost Media is the challenging part
Not just that: Bit rot will eventually render ANY hoarded prototypes completely useless. Hardware doesn't last forever. In fact, many old game consoles/hardware are shockingly susceptible to the ravages of time. So by hoarding lost media, hoarders are accomplishing nothing but putting what might be the only copy of something in danger of becoming permanently lost media. Not to mention, if bit rot DOES set in while they're holding it? Yeah, good luck selling a dead or damaged cart/board/disk/e.t.c.
Loved the Billy Mitchel jab. That dude was odd, he went through all that trouble to find a game he knew people wanted to play and then kept it to himself. That feels like the definition of selfish. Its almost worse he brought it out once a year to dangle in peoples faces only to lock it up again. Very entertaining video, i enjoyed it as much as the kids enjoyed their street fighter back in the day.
Presumably he did the work for the monetary value of the cabinets he made.
He is the textbook definition of a sociopath, a narcissist, and a pathological liar... All in one.
And also has a few sadistic tendencies.
i mean, to be fair it was his money that made it happen so it is his property, but it does raise the question of why go through the effort if not for preservation?
Let's see: the owner is an old school electronics nerd who collects and restores old videogames - in spite of what the internet might tell you, this not easily a lucrative career path. Now if he has all this old hardware working with extremely rare media, he can bring this to conventions and specialty events, and possibly even be paid to attend and setup at these events. He can easily charge people a dollar a game, maybe more, and many people who would not give a crap otherwise would be willing to pay that. He could lease these machines to museums or other facilities or events. And finally, he's always got that doubly rare hardware to sell if he really wants to cash out. You lose the vast majority of that if the media goes public online; now all that's left to monetize are extreme die hards who just have to fee, play on, or own original hardware.
Reminds me of the pharma-bro who bought that Wu Tang album before he got jailed.
The selfishness and greed of these hoarders is, unironically, one of lost media's biggest hurdles
If it's not properly archived, it's still lost.
If a collector cites loss of monetary value as a reason, they are an arse that does not actually care about the thing they own, only about the notoriety and money it brings them.
They care more about their ego than the art. Kinda sad
I find the hoarding of the data particularly galling considering how he himself had to assemble the cabinet via copying the data from one of the few existing owners.
I think my worst case for hoarded media has to be Classic Doctor Who episodes. There’s various sources that mention that private collectors have missing episode tapes that they refuse to release.
Yeah I've always believed some of those eps are being hoarded on purpose.
Sickening
And those collectors better have a good security system, or someone is going to steal and release them
Hoarded media is the pinnacle of selfishness in lost media, and every hoarder isn't the chad they think they are, they're just rats.
Lost media hoarders are actually worse than scalpers at this point. And that is *low*.
The two kinda run together if you think about it, two sides of the same coin.
I hate how hoarders refuse to publish the ROM to "keep its value". like bruh you're not gonna sell the game anyways
Exactly! They treat it like it's some nest-egg, yet the guy who hoarded the Pokemon Gold prototype held onto it until he died.
@@petergriscom3431 did the prototype ever get leaked?
@@borby4584 I think the Spaceworld '97 demo leaked and the ROM is available online.
It's all about power tripping and the prestige of owning a game that no one else can play. They could care less about it losing value. They want to feel like little god in their basement sipping from a holy grail no one else can.
@@petergriscom3431 is there any link to the story,
Game hoarding is selfish and stupid. It doesn't matter if these collectors dust off their cabinets for a convention once a year. What about the 99.999999% of the Earth's population who will never be able to attend a convention? Then there's the preservation issue. As anyone who is interested in lost films will tell you, all it takes is a fire for a piece of media to be lost forever.
Hey, think of the collectors. Parading one of a kind games around at conventions is the closest they’ll ever come to having a personality. You’d really want to take that from them?
@@nena_nezali they think of us all as peasants, there's a ""collector"" that actually had the audacity to say "I'm 100% right" in a comment section. Think about it as the rich kid in school, he looks awesome but really on the inside he's not. They care about their ego more than the media itself.
let's be honest here: you'll survive even without playing that old game.
your life literally will not lose value, if you miss out on playing that game.
calm down.
@@fumomofumosarum5893
Total simp post here. Sounds like making excuses for an abusive spouse. 🤔
@@fumomofumosarum5893 It's not about survival, it's about sending a message.
"It would lose value if it's dumped online!"
Try telling that to Primal Rage and Primal Rage 2, games that are so notoriously difficult to emulate that the latter requires its own dedicated version of MAME to run even half decently.
@Mr Guru oh nice
@Mr Guru
THANK YOU
Cool story, complete bullshit - but a cool story
@Mr Guru Cool!
@@godslayer1415 What are you talking about?
Marble Mubble.
I'm glad the term "hoarded media" is gaining traction here. There's a distinction between not being able to find the original sources of media (wiped tapes, something buried in hundreds of hours of footage, destroyed/deteriorating film) and some company saying something is not financially or legally viable for a release.
Stares at Nintendo
Begins to show them the bird
@@JamesTDG All video game companies suck in their own special way.
Ah yes, because Panzer Dragoon Saga TOTALLY decreased in value when the game was available to download online. That's just a stupid argument, it's objectively selfish. If I had the money and the ability to, I'd find and dump every lost game I could get my hands on for everyone to play. The physical media itself won't depreciate in value. Once again, stupid argument. But super happy this game was found!! Hope to be able to try it out sometime soon!! Thank you, Dank, for dumping it!! And thank you, All Things Lost, for the awesome video!!
You're comparing 2 completely different things. Prototypes value comes from the code, not the physical cart. They undeniably do massively lose value when dumped, and there's decades of information showing exactly that if you bothered to look.
@@RetroDoneRight I literally do not give a shit, they deserve to preserved, for all to see and have fun with, instead of sitting in some collectors basement collecting dust.
@@RetroDoneRight dont care they deserve to be dumped stay mad boomer
@@idavyregoodbarrel717 bro?
Collectors in general are just a nuisance to creativity.
Think about it. If you make a second mass production of a 1999 toy, the 1999 model can't depreciate because it is still the 1999 model, even if they look the same outwardly.
In this particular case, turning such a thing into lost media for the sake of collectors is harmful. And I loved the first game. So this is a tad personal.
Huge update everyone, the lost “Sesame Street” Wicked Witch episode IS OFFICIALLY FOUND!
Oh my god you’re right
Damn, I was two minutes late😅
OH MY GODDDD I THOUGHT IT'D NEVER COME OUT
source?
WHT
I legit tried to get people like Blameitonjorge to cover a game like this because it's history is rich compared to most lost games, now that its found its a great sequel and was worth waiting it all
aerial race is a bop
@@FrenchToasted1995 Agree
I'm so petty, if I ever found a rare game I would release it online solely to piss off the greasy nerds hoarding it. I don't even care how much money I would be missing out on, because quality nerdrage is priceless.
Yet somehow still less petty than the hoarders so good on you man
An even better thing to do is remake the game 1:1 in a codebase supported by a lot of devices (I'd choose python personally) so people can play the game smoothly seeing as emulators can run like trash (like that one game that requires it's own build of mame to work). I'm probably going to do it to Arena (GameGear) so I can get the gist of what I'd need to do.
collectors have become infamous for refusing to release rare game, prototypes and more to the public
That's not true.
@@PiroKUSS it is
@@ratedr7845 No, it's not.
@@PiroKUSS bro, it is, go look it up
@@ratedr7845 I'm a game collector, I should know. A lot of us aren't selfish assholes like the ones hoarding very rare games (why have games like NWC, Air Raid, Red Sea Crossing, etc. been dumped then?), a lot of us (not me, though, cuz' I don't own any) have dumped prototypes and other rarities. What exactly do you want me to look up, other than bullshit?
You should do a video on "endangered" media, it might help popularize the term!
Oooo I love that idea!
YO WAIT YOU SHOWED THE WICKED WITCH SESAME STREET EPISODE IN THE BEGINNING AND I JUST HOPPED ON LOST MEDIA WIKI AND THAT JUST GOT FOUND TOO WTF
wait WHAT NO FUCKING WAY
The only reason Scott got the machine in the first place is that he got permission to copy an existing one, but he won't let others copy from his? Yeah that's really cool 🙄 what a hypocrite
not only that but he begged others to help him piece the game together, but he refuses to help the people who begged him to preserve it. garbage human being
neckbeard.
gotta love how the the wicked witch episode of sesame street is shown in the intro when it was finally uploaded to youtube the same day this came out
0:13 i just checked the LMW myself, and the Wicked Witch episode of Sesame St has just been found!
Yoh, let's go
Sharing is caring and I'm still mad that there are things that we know exist but are arbitrarily inaccessible, like Turn-On and the THX Cimmaron trailer. Especially when they're legendarily bad. It's worse when they use copyright to justify withholding it because the original copyright holder's abandonment of the media should not prevent anyone else from watching the media after the fact if it still exists.
As a software preservationist(?), preserver(?)... Archivist, I hate when people decide they should be the arbiter of who is allowed to experience something and that they should decide whether an experience should be lost forever. Preserving lost media is good for everyone.
dank2079:
-dump extremely rare game that hasn't been archived for multiple decades
-refuse to elaborate further
-leaves
What an absolute fucking chad
I'm in the arcade collecting and lost media scene too, so I can relate to this story. Sometimes there's a lack of obligation to release lost media. It takes time, knowledge and passion. Dumping an arcade game isn't something that anyone can do and those who can do it, have to do it out of passion. You can spend hundreds of hours researching and working to get a game running on real hardware (as I have done before). If you don't have the original cabinet for a game, you may have to make a custom setup on a test bench, not even to play the game, just to see it running. Sometimes there is elitism, because enjoying this hobby doesn't just mean you're a gamer, it can also mean you're a technician. Meanwhile, if a game is dumped, there are people who can play it immediately in MAME and take it for granted. Sometimes there's this attitude from people, "I can just emulate it and have the same experience, so why are you even trying to play this on real hardware?" I'm glad Marble Madness 2 is dumped and people can play it. But sometimes there is a lack of respect and gratitude when it comes to efforts of dumping and emulation.
“I had 90% of what I needed except one very important GAL.” I know the feeling :/
I HATE it when people hoard lost/obscure media, because in a matter of a couple years-these are the types of people who would probably lose it in piles. This is a much smaller case, but there's an obscure fan translation of a manga that the people doing it are just keeping it only o their small group of friends. And personally I think that's just bad because what if they lose this translation somehow and no one can have it anymore?
So you're upset that a group is putting in effort and time into a project for themselves and they're not giving it to everyone? Gotcha.
I mean, it could be translated again. A ton of people speak Japanese and English so it's just a matter of interest.
Very different from a rare game yet to be dumped!
@@RetroDoneRight I mean, yeah. What’s the point of it if you’re not gonna share?
@@borby4584 Lol, it's being shared between the people making it happen. You want it too? Pay someone to translate it and edit it together than you're free to give it away to everyone.
@@RetroDoneRight and when said Manga languishes in obscurity, it’s on them
I think media is best enjoyed together. If i ever get hold of something lost, i would instantly share it.
Hi there. There's a peace of media in danger of being lost right now. I don't really know if it would fit in a video in your style, but I'm sure you can figure something out.
That peace of media is the Heart of Russia expation for Euro Truck Simulator 2. Based on reports its development is complete, but it is being shelved for the forseable fututre because of the war in Ukraine. Not sure if it will fit, just thought you should know (if you didn't already)
I really do hate the way companies go after common russian people, most of which don't even support the war. Things like that wont do anything to support Ukraine. It won't achieve anything. Putin doesn't care about truck simulator. It's like they are blaming the common people rather than Putin. All it does is fuel "the west is against Russia" propaganda.
@@simenon5929 I don't think this has anything to do with them going after russian people. They are more scared of how it would be recieved in the west
@@jirimatejka7394 nintendo literally shelved the new advance wars game because of ukraine, as if wars haven't been fought constantly in the middle east for centuries, when white people are at war suddenly we need trigger warnings and games getting shelved to protect our fee-fees
One of my friend doesn't think that media withheld from the public counts as being lost media, but I do.
If **I** can't get my hands on it, it's lost media.
^^ this
I agree with the term endangered media. Lost means that there are no known copies. But lost media as a concept doesn't really mean publicly accessible. Something being known to exist but unreleased isn't lost. If there are few copies or owners, it's in danger of being lost, thus "endangered." A work being publicly accessible helps prevent it from being lost, but it isn't a requirement.
To be honest though, it's literally the only way it can't be lost. If interest in an endangered game dies, so could the game itself, be it that those hoarders scrap their piece of history or the hoarder just stops maintaining the cabinet
I would absolutely LOVE to see more videos on lost or undumped arcade games.
"like billy mitchell I booted up the emulator" I cackled tbh
Now we gotta get Deftones to release Eros.
"Dank2079"
Dank memes never died. 2016 was only the beginning, MLG file dumping is next.
dank2079 is actually a prophet of lost media that no one knows, yet. 😉
@@AbdAbdAbdAbd Dank 20:79 The preservationists shall inherit the lost media.
“Like Billy Mitchell, I booted up the emulator.” The shade.
"Ken had so many parts, the guy just gave [the controller panel] to him"
That's heart... respect
C'mon, every type of media has had some type of hoarding for all kinds of reasons other than money. To whomever released this, I just want to say THANK YOU for making it happen. To just finding out about this being released this weekend and being able to play it on MAME along with the news that New Wave Toys is making a 1/6th scale Atari Food Fight (which I always liked due to the cab design and art), it's like the stars aligned perfectly.
Billy Mitchell will remember that.
0:14 lol that age like milk so fast
I'm just saying I called them out then it got released so 🤷
I say, for lost media, there are some good reasons to sometimes keep it from public. Those include:
1. Serious legal issues would arise. Sometimes, people have NDAs for some projects they hold on to. Breaking such can result in fines of up to hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is a lot of money for the average person. If it's media that only NDA holders have then it's not exactly hard to trace who sent it. Or if the media itself is or has a lot of illegal content, and not the copyright infringing kind.
2. The media isn't sought after at all. While media from any noticeable company is always wanted by someone, I doubt someone cares about "Heroes Puzzle Attack Puzzle Games" by a random person using stolen assets to mass produce cheap games during the iPhone 4 to 5 era. While that line seems blurry, I do think it's pretty clear when something is just pure shovelware designed by the dozen to scam kids and 50 year olds out of ad money and overpriced "remove ads" purchases that work half the time.
3. If you are actively working on repairing broken lost media into a useable state. This is stuff such finding the parts to repair the cabinet for arcade games or converting it into usable formats.
Hoarding is not one of the reasons.
Yeah game hoarders are kind of scum bags IMO. I'm glad someone dumped the game so we can all say a big ol F U to Scott and people like him.
This is the first video I've seen from you and it's very well done. Loved Marble Madness in the excellent Amiga port. This looks like it'd be fun, but part of the joy of the original was the minimalist design, which this loses. But what a story. You've got a new subscriber
Just found your channel, really enjoying your video style!!
For media to be "found" I think it should be accessible to the public.
One of your best videos! You tell slightly longer stories even better than you make entertaining list videos :)
Thank you! I feel proud of this one so that means a lot.
Nice Billy Mitchell reference!
Such an interesting video, I appreciate you sharing all that info with us
"like billy mitchell, I booted up the emulator"
I lost it at that quote lmao
This is such a cool story. I actually had no idea that there was a Marble Madness 2 that was made. These unreleased arcade games are always so fascinating to me.
Wouldn't the cabinet still have value since it's a physical version?
Yeah I still consider lost media that has its whereabouts known but is out of reach for one reason or another as "lost media". Sometimes it makes sense like Saban's anime dubs like "Bob in a Bottle" and a few more. Some of those dubs exist in full in the Library of Congress but nobody can get their hands on it because... it's the Library of Congress, and even if one could, there are a lot of restrictions on distribution.
Then you have guys like in this video, where it's totally in their power to choose to distribute, but choose not to. And Marble Man STILL isn't entirely found because the build released is a different one! Ain't that how it goes!
Good video. I've never heard of this game but I love the original. Cool seeing it's found, or at least one version is! #ReleaseBuffBoiBuild
You should talk about pieces of gaming lost media that have been found over the years (like Metroid 2 Samus Returns, Metroid Dread, Banjo and Kazooie in Smash, the arcade game you just recently talked about, 40 Winks for the N64 being found, Dinosaur Planet for the N64 being found and more), pieces of gaming lost media that you want to be found (like Slamfest 99 and Mario RPG 2 which could be in development by the way), and pieces of gaming lost media that will be lost forever (like that Mario 64 theme park in Mexico that LSuperSonicQ talked about or Donkey Kong Racing that got cancelled for the GameCube).
Thanks for sharing this. I feel that if someone has the only copy of a piece of media, it really needs to be curated in a way that at least a few copies are produced in order to guard against the permanent loss of that media. As to whether or not that media should be publicly released, well, that's entirely the right of the owner to decide, even though it would be great if at least one copy could be on file with the Library of Congress. We do need to respect the rights of the owners of both the media, and it's copy right.
Denying preservation efforts for an exceedingly rare title is just a selfish move. Shouldn't it be preserved so future generations can enjoy it?
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Speaking of which, this reminds me of the hunt to find the Mcdonalds training DSi game (yes, that's a thing), where in forum threads the guy who owned a copy refused to dump it on the basis of "copyright".
Long story short, they got the ROM, and preserved it on the Internet Archive.
You can thank Nick "Babylonian" Robinson for that.
I remembering want to buy this game so bad on NES in 1989. Had no idea what the reason was behind why I couldn't purcahse. Funny how the deets are made known 25 years later! Thank you for an outstanding video!
You're next, Twelve Tales!!!
I'd like to download Crystal Castles 2, also known as "Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest." This is a much more elaborate version of the original Crystal Castles, with lots of levels and new monsters to fight.
great video and explaining of the history of this game!
Atariscott's claim that the game would loose value if dumped is pretty absurd. Collectors pay money for rare original production hardware. Not copies. Not reproductions. Originals.
It's very much clear that Atariscott's entire motivation for refusing to dump the roms for preservation purposes is because he wanted to boost his ego by dragging out his cabinet once a year to play something they couldn't play anywhere else. That's it. It's one of the most sad and pathetic things ever heard, and I would be more than willing to say this to his face if given the opportunity. What a tool.
The worst part about it is you can tell throughout the history he took advantage of the goodwill of others, made copies, etc. and utilized the preservation communities' resources to get the cabinet together but then when it was his turn to contribute he told everyone to suck it. At least if it's just some collector buying things on their own and has it in their collection then that's one thing but this is someone involved in that community who was actively copying everything he got his hands on to begin with. It'd be like if someone on the Redump or No-intro project got something rare and undumped and said, "Nah, we're keeping this one."
Was hoping to eventually hear the clarification on the two versions of the game. There were two designs, the second of which being a response to the poor testing of the first version. Obviously the designers completely missed the point, as you said: The abstract nature of the protagonist in the first game was a big part of the appeal. Marble Madness II initially went with "Powdered Toast Man", and then redesigned it to be more like "Bubsy the Bobcat" (these are my interpretations of the personalities-faux superhero first; "radical" dude second). It really should have been noted that the roms we have are the second version-arguably more tolerable, but less historically interesting in my opinion.
If I were to cite a personal disappointment with the game, it would be the music. Different composer? Most likely. The first game absolutely made its name with its almost 100% excellent soundtrack. The sequel? I think there were a couple of tunes I liked, but the best tune in the game was the remix of the first game's level 2. Some of the new music is actually irritating. It's a little bemusing that in 1991, seven years after the first Marble Madness, you'd be hard pressed to spot any improvement to the hardware used for the sequel. That said, only a year or two later and they might have tried to make Marble Madness 2 with polygons (early 90s polygons), and that would have been a true disaster.
We still need to get our hands on the original Marble Man, so this quest isn't over yet.
I own an original Atari System 1 cab with a full Marble Madness kit. I was a huge fan when I was younger, I studied the game and knew it ran on System 1 arcade hardware, I found a Road Blasters arcade I got for a old laptop (Laptop I paid $50 for it), and found piece by piece and got the complete Marble Madness kit... I currently own 4 out of the 6 kits for System 1 machine.
I was also shocked to MM 2, I was one who was searching every year to see if I can find a copy of it... Never could get to any shows to play it. Didn't think I would ever get to play it. I was shocked to see the ROM, and be able to actually play it.
Nothing like part one but, still a lot fun, still want to try to adapt a Trackball to play it...
Not a fan of those who hoard old games like this to themselves, even for monetary reasons. The resources necessary to put something like this together is ultimately a community effort, and regardless of the money paid into recovering it into something usable, it still freeloads on the tremendous shoulders of gracious community knowledge and resources that got them to that point.
I'm curious as to your take on something I was pondering the other day. Do closed (server no longer accessible) MOBAGE games like the three failed Tales of mobile titles (Link, Crestoria and most recently Luminaria) count as lost media? I never had Luminaria downloaded so I don't know how it behaves now that it's closed, but Crestoria won't go past the title screen and only plays the opening, whereas an APK for Link will allow play of the initial opening screens and the tutorial level but won't connect after completion so even if someone still has these apps on their phones or tablets, everything that was inside them is now inaccessible. The best we've got for Crestoria and Luminaria are people who were smart enough to get screen recordings of the story and events, and some scattered videos of Link with I think one or two Tumblr communities that did screengrabs of the story as it was going on but next to nothing on the special events. I know these aren't the only MOBAGE games that have closed but Link and Crestoria were specifically close to my heart and it angers me so much that Namco kept putting so much effort into things that were eventually shut down, leaving us with basically nothing to show for our time and love save memories. Crestoria is getting a manga... eventually? Luminaria did get an anime, or is still getting one, I'm not sure about that one. Link is basically forgotten at this point. To say nothing of the super old Japan-only mobile titles that basically have next to no media out there now save for maybe screenshots and listings on the wiki. I mostly get my information on lost media through videos like yours so I'm not sure if these count or not and what your thoughts are on that.
Hell, maybe an episode of Tales of lost media? (There was also an MMO which I think is completely unavailable since it ended in 2007) Or one on Namco lost media?
MOBAGE = mobile garbage?
Yes, closed server games count as that. I'm currently trying to locate stuff for SG online and every other lost piece of SG media. If anybody runs into someone with the old mobile SG games, let me know, SERIOUSLY, I NEED to get the lost media of the Stargate franchise saved.
Heck, the Phantasy Star Online community is fighting tooth and nail to keep its private servers running to avoid this exact problem.
The team who saved it brought a couple of full sized cabs (using FPGA) to Free Play Florida and I have a signed poster. It’s cool but I’d prefer it used trak-ball controls.
I totally understand both points. Yes, it'll lose value if distributed with the world, seeing as it's not so rare anymore and no longer sought after (so much), but seeing as I'm not a collector of anything, I lean more toward the sharing side of things. I just put myself in the other's shoes. If I found something somebody else had, would I want them to share it? Would I be extremely grateful and think they're the best person in the world if they did? YES. If I knew I could provide that sort of joy to anyone, I'd like to think I'd do it hoping that someday somebody would return the favour.
This reminds me of when I was scouring the internet for a movie called "Phobe". It was a cheaply made movie, made locally, that only aired on cable 10 back in the 90's. Of course, nobody had it. But I found a lead on a website for a film festival in a different province entirely. Turns out the creators of the film had aired their movie there (once upon a time). It was a longshot, but I emailed the people of the festival and surprisingly enough, they mailed me a copy (burnt to a CD). I couldn't believe it, not only did they respond, but they gave me a copy for free out of the kindness of their heart. I'll never forget that generosity.
It’s a good day when all things lost uploads
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"The game will lose value if dumped online"
It'll lose ALL value if it's lost forever!!
This video is the first I've ever heard of Marble Madness 2. I think the people guarding their copies so selfishly is the #1 reason the game's existence was virtually unknown outside of the hardcore dedicated arcade community. I would say it's downright WRONG to hoard rare software instead of preserving it.
Oh, I would absolutely love to see the hoarder's reactions
One of gaming's greatest mysteries is who said "prepare to qualify' for the original Pole Position.
I have been wanting to play this for over a decade now. This is so exciting.
If a collector never sells anything, the value arguement is a bit of a dead end. When you die, and your relatives show up to clean house, unless you leave explicit instructions, its going to go for pennies on the dollar anyway if it doesn't end up in a dumpster.
“Booted it up on an emulator like Billy Mitchel”
Careful, you might get sued
The only purpose of collecting is to share it with others. Without an audience, a collection is meaningless. Every single thing in all of technology exists EXCLUSIVELY because creative people love sharing their creations with each other. All achievement is communal: if everyone kept their findings to themselves we'd have never left the bronze age.
Oh my God finally!!!! I’ve been waiting for this for THIRTY YEARS!!! I can finally hear the sequel to my favourite soundtrack of all time… I’m freakin out right now
Marble man could have been bigger than Sonic.
No cap
Kinda wish you had like a let's play or live streaming channel, so we could watch you play some games like this or other previously lost games.
11:12 that Billy Mitchel jab made me chuckle
"Like Billy Mitchell, I booted up the emulator" okay that line had me dying laughing
#ReleasetheBuffBoiBuild !!!
Great video, sir. I have been playing this game for hours since it released and although I prefer it over the original, I can see the reasons why it didn't do so well back in those early days.
And yeah, the marble design was absolutely nerfed in the final build, buff boi marbles are undoubtedly peak character design lol
Slappy!!!!
@@JackTheGamer3 Jack!!! I expected to see you here :))
Saw Prince in the beginning and now I’m interested in you doing a video on him
"And like Billy Mitchell, I fired up the emulator." Ouch. Sub earned.
Excellent video. The media is definitely "lost" if the masses don't have access to it in one way or another, imo. Thank you!
No, it's unreleased.
@@PiroKUSS No, it's Gex.
@@CoralCopperHead What?
@@PiroKUSS Oh c'mon, you know it, classic Gex! Pretends not to be Gex, and then _boom!_ It's Gex.
@@CoralCopperHead I don't get it...
Great that this game is finally available 👍 Another game possibly even more rare is Beyond Kung Fu by irem 1986. The sequel to Spartan X/Kung Fu Master similarly the game was play tested in Japan didn't do well so it was scrapped. A single board is known to exsist in France and it has yet to be rom dumped but the collector who has it is working on it. You might want to look into doing a video on that game. Hopefully some day we'll all get to play it! Irem would later do what is really a part three in the series Vigilante. But like the first game it's very common. And Takahashi Nishiyama the creator of the first game would later do his own sequel at Capcom Trojan.
Twelve Tales: Conker’s Quest is my “bucket list” game in this category
"Like Billy Mitchell, I booted up an emulator"
I'm fucking dead.
Rad vid! Great detailed story tellin'. The original MM is classic. Maybe one of the best soundtracks ever for a video game!
That's great ! Gonna download it immediatly !
By not dumping the game, you’re putting your own imagined financial gain above society’s cultural preservation, above the benefit of literally the rest of the human race. You may not owe anyone a dump of the game, but there’s no denying that you are just an ass if you don’t dump it. Why are games even made in the first place anyway? It’s to bring people joy and happiness, but by hoarding games you’re doing the exact opposite. These hoarders are a disgrace to the entire gaming hobby, it’s shameful.
I see you had big words for breakfast today.
@@fumomofumosarum5893 People only resort to mockery when they can't think of a good argument.
Great stuff!