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Switching From John Deere to Summit Tractors
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- summit TX25 versus John Deere 2025R. the summit tractor comes standard with 3rd function hydraulics, a mechanical self leveling loader, rear remote hydraulics, a suspension seat, and tires loaded with rim guard. These features and the lower price point make it a compelling option
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Summit tractors are the best.
I just went to a short class on these tractors yesterday, we will be selling these shortly at Runnings in the Northeast. Looking forward to getting these out in the market. It's a veteran owned company that uses as much made in America products as it can and donates to Tunnel to Towers Foundation for every tractor sold.
Are you in NH? I’m in Maine and they appear to be a decent machine
@@LedgemereHeritageFarm I'm in New York
Looking forward to seeing how these machines perform over time.
Look up Solis and Sonalika
Nice little tractor. I wanted lot them options on my little tractor. Thanks for sharing
Competition is good and I like that Summit has joined the small tractor market in the US. I wish they were available at more locations, even within the US, but I would expect that to improve over time. I'm curious how well they'll hold up over time.
Solis is where you can look for long term reliability
As a retired farmer owner and also a certified CAT&CUMMINGS DIESEL MECHANIC I was never a fan of badges or color. I was a fan of acres per gallon! Had a friend and fellow farmer approach me late one spring and asked if I was caught up on my field work and in the same breath said he had fifty acres he needs to plow for beans.( soy ) Well the long and short of it he had a JD pulling four bottoms and I had a Case pulling four bottoms. We fueled up and hit the ground running at day break we finished up and fueled up again. He was shocked he used 37+ gallons and I used 19+ gallons and I plowed every round that he plowed!?!?
On diesels engines nothing beats cubic inches! And the JD was turning about 2,300 RPMS and the Case about 1,900 RPMS. Bottom line was the Case was bigger cubic inches and didn't work as hard.
When I sold the farm I had two Case diesels, one Massey diesel and one IH gas and they all served me well. Because nothing beats PMS!!!!!
I hope Summit tractors are successful. Competition helps keep tractor prices lower.
I've looked at them real close and the only thing that keeps me from pulling the trigger is no dealers. Other than that it's a very solid built tractor. I would need more info on parts availability, how close is it to get warranty work done and does summit just cover the warranties and does it have to be approved by Summit or do they solely depend on what shop will work on it. Good Works Tractors pushes these on his channel and has been putting the loaner he's got through the paces. He likes it!
I really enjoyed today’s video!! To have a second cut looking at the summit machine is great to have. I really like the tractor! I saw some comments just now that really trash it for having of shore components but that falls totally on its face as EVERYTHING we buy now have foreign made parts in them period. Some folks are “glass 1/2 full types I guess. My interest in summit would be with a larger cab model in the future though…. But for now I like want I see… 👍🔥
I see this as the perfect little tractor for lots of folks with small acreages. Everyone likes to think that their equipment is "the best in the world ". That's just their opinion, and you know what they say about that!
Howdy Brock! Yeah I know Courtney has been raving on the Summits over on Good Works Tractors. Be nice to watch it in the wild to see how it performs over time. A lot of great options - you can tell Summit put some thought into their standard options. If I were to get one and use it in the same capacity as my Mahindra 25hp the mirrors would give me pause... as I have a lot of trees on the property. I can see them getting pretty beat up real fast. At the end of my ballast box build part 2 video I show the damage I did to my hydraulic joystick thanks to a low limb. If Summit comes up with a model in the 40-55hp range I will take a real hard look at them. But right now, for the money and included options, I'm leaning towards getting the Rural King 55hp cab tractor. Not going to be buying for a bit so let's see what Summit comes out with. Thanks for sharing 🤠
I have the RK55 with loader and backhoe I bought it when RK first came out back in 2017 my rk55 is strong tractor very heavy they come with ballast in the back the newer RK55 comes with more options now. but I never have had a problem with mine and I also own a Mahindra 3016 I bought new back in 2013 its a Hydro and I love it I can pickup more than alot of 30Hp tractors and as like the RK not one problem other than a Battery last year, the RK is a shuttle shift 55Hp I just wanted a bigger and more HP tractor so now I have best of both worlds Hydro, and Shuttle tractors the RK is a TYM made tractor.
A lot of cool upgrades there as standard equipment. I wonder how many model years before some of those begin to go away as cost saving opportunities for the company? The lack of dealer support 5 or 6 years down the line would concern me. They all look good when the hour meter is under 50!
Dealer support is only as good as the owner of the dealership.
Nice looking small tractor with a lot of options
I believe that Summit tx25 and the Tym t25 are in my own opinion are a solid first purchase and will last forever. I definitely wouldn't hesitate to buy either.
If they sold parts online I think it would inspire a lot more buyer confidence! I already buy most of my name brand parts online just because it is easier to go through the parts diagrams online and it saves me time compared to driving back and forth to the dealer.
I ran Kubota and Ford tractors for a long time, bought a new John Deere in 2020, I love my John Deere, my dealership is 15 miles away so it just made sense to go green! My tractor is a 3035, so it’s big enough to what I need.
Great info!
We love our summit tractor. It only has 11 hours on it right now. We bought a stump bucket and it works great. We also bought ours in Joplin. Look forward to more videos with it.
Hey, I always enjoy it when I find out I have a viewer who lives in my local area.
I’m about 20 minutes from Joplin.
Congrats on the tractor
@@RockhillfarmYT we're about an hour from Joplin in Southeast Kansas.
I’m between Riverton and Columbus
@@RockhillfarmYT We're in Mound Valley.
I hope summit works out. RK is somewhat similar in offering deluxe features as standard. The competition is good. Hope they get a good network setup.
R14 tires, GWT has showcased them before, when the time comes, I will put them on my 1023E. All American made, as opposed to the Versa Turfs, which are partially Chinese made. You can also get a MSL loader on a 1 series Deere, but TTWT did some videos and it didn't seem to be a huge advantage, at least on the 1 series. They are a good addition to the 2 series though, as you already know.
Hi Brock, enjoyed this video on the Summit. This tractor looks like a knock off of a Solid tractor with a few more amenities. No auto throttle if I heard you right and it seems like the lifting capacity for a tractor with this weight, seems a little weak. But thanks again for your view . Take Care
Great video will be interesting to see what kind of future this tractor has
Its a solis in green
No it's not, Solis is a yanmar product but lighter and cheaper made. I've been on all 3, yanmar, Solis and the Summit. Summit is made in America, Ohio or Iowa, and the engine is Mitsubishi and the tractor is part of ITL of India which has been producing these tractors for over 35 years , they've been around just not in the USA.
@@kipcudd7253 im irish solis is in partnership with yanmar in certain markets solis is indian made we have the full range here in britain and ireland for about 10 years now i could show u a solis 26 and that tractor ye have there parts are the same if anything the solis tractors we have now here have jumped up a level the early 1s had problems
@@kipcudd7253 im irish solis is in partnership with yanmar in certain markets solis is indian made we have the full range here in britain and ireland for about 10 years now i could show u a solis 26 and that tractor ye have there parts are the same if anything the solis tractors we have now here have jumped up a level the early 1s had problems
@@kipcudd7253 Don't put Solis and Yanmar together. Yanmar is made is Japan and assembled in Georgia. JD uses the Yanmar engine. It's one of the best, not cheap Indian tractor.
Looking forward to seeing the reviews. I have seen it on good works, but as you mentioned he is sponsored. I actually just stumbled on his unboxing video. I will have to follow.
Great video!! First off congratulations Bryan that is a fine lookin tractor I like all the extras that come with it standard. I'm old school personally don't want hydrostatic transmission but everything else is impressive. I'm sure it will make you a fine tractor enjoy it. I'm waiting for some comparison between ya'lls tractors. Thanks for sharing be safe have fun enjoy
I went back and we did a comparison between 2 stump grinders today.
If they were out when I was looking it would have been a strong contender. Thanks for the video Brock Happy New Year 😁👍🚜💨☀
Brock your friend just went backwards in tractors. the only thing good is he is sponsored by whatchamacallit tractor. Brands like , summit, LS, Branson are only as good as the dealer supporting it.
For a new homesteaders with less than 5 -10 acres for the money this is a great starter tractor. Then after 2-3 years you can always trade up to a 35-40 hp if you think you need bigger or better hydraulics . But most of these 25 hp tractors are very capable to do alot of work. Personally in this category I like the TYM, Kioti, Kubota, , John Deere in that order, as these dealers are all within 30 miles of my house. And they all have a pretty good service dept if needed. I know everybody that works in them except the Yanmar dealer but I've heard good reports on them. But money talks!
These tractors are made by international tractors limited and are equipped with a mitsubishi engine. It is basically a solid h24 with some added features
Like the tractor and love the features just not sold since they don’t manufacture the tractor and don’t have any service dealers.
Everyone talks about being nervous of no dealer. Heck, i have a Kubota and i never biy from the dealer. Every part for any tractor is online somewhere. I wouldnt be scared to biy this little guy.
Look up MDS manufacturing in Parkston South Dakota. They manufacture Quick attachment buckets etc. For all manufacturers brands
Some of y’all seem to be completely unaware of the “buying market share” concept. New brand with more bang for your buck, doesn’t mean poor quality (nor does it mean it’s good).
tractors and equipment in Asia experience a much harder life then most equipment in the USA. If this is proven in India or Southeast Asia I would not be afraid of it.
I bought a b2601 a couple years ago. I wish I had them put fluid in the tires,it’s tippy and not comfortable on inclines. I had the dealer put the third function, self leveling bucket. Boy was that one expensive unit. Cheers
Yeah, nothing is cheap on these tractors but in my area you can get the ballast added to the tires pretty reasonably.
I think it was a little over $200 on mine to add 530 pounds of fluid to the tires.
I am thinking about getting a b2601 .has your been trouble free? Thanks.
Yes trouble free. I would get my tires filled, maybe wheel spacers (if you don’t have a belly mower) and I’d get a heavy hitch with suitcase weights, I think Courtney can help you out with that. And get additional lights, I had the dealer install some leds and there great. I have
good lucking getting parts for it
Wait till you can’t find part down the road. Your Brave
Congrats on 40,000 subs buddy!
That thing is sweet I need one
When I looked at tractors ,I looked at all brands. I got close to getting a RK tractor, price was good, had filled out paperwork for a Kioti but they could not get the backhoe in when I needed. I ended up with a Kubota B2601 with backhoe. Kept 2 years and down sized to a bx2380 and got a very good trade in. A lot of aftermarket tractors have come and gone. Didn’t want something I couldn’t get top dollar if I sell it later. Just my 2 cents.
Look at all the India Tractors that have come and gone. No go.
I think they need to ramp up production. I haven't been able to find one available online. I'm on the east coast.
Wish summit would expand quicker out east but really glad to see all the essentials (3rd function, remote, ssqa, rim guard, etc.) standard to push other companies.
NEED sales/service/parts outlets in more areas!
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yeah
I'm a first time shopper
scouring the internet
with the tiniest of budgets
Spell cheap
I mean if the govt gave me one
Free
I'd take it
also learning
as a first time buyer
more advantageous to buy new
learn about the tractor
then later buy used
thing is
it's nearly subcompact
and I'm leaning for something
Midsize
so I'll hold off
build my savings
and wait for the cab to come out
Really appreciate your video
helps someone like me
be better awareness
for what I'm getting into
God Bless
Be Well
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Get a tractor that has a service department near your home.
Get a tractor that is not a rebranded something else.
History is littered with tractors like Summit that came and went.
TYM, John Deere, Kubota, and a couple others are always good bets.
Great video Brock. I'm glad someone other then Courtney did one. Growing up (and for 50 years)I was a huge fan of JD. I have watched a ton of videos about the 1025 and it seems that there has been a lot more issues with them since COVID hit. Of course this could simply be that more people that have issues are now posting them on the internet and there is not an actual increase in issues (who knows). I am intrigued by the Summit with it's feature set but naturally apprehensive as people would be with any new brand (dealer locations, where to get service, etc. and of course the BIG one - will they exist in 5 years). I know people that have TYM tractors and love them. I have also heard a lot of good things about RK. As far as people instantly shooting Summit down without much information I would chalk up to an extreme brand loyalist. The problem with being extremely loyal to one brand for 50 years or more is that companies change, their manufacturing locations change, their customer service changes, and so on. It's all based on money so the company that was so great in the 60's, 70's and/or 80's may not be the same company today. I look forward to seeing what happens with Summit.
This little tractor that could, keeps getting better looking every video.
“Cheeseburgers per week” classic!!
Tires are R14s. Interesting to see if he continues to like it as he puts hours on it. See more of these on videos. Definitely a lot more standard features
Tx25 cab model is supposed to have air conditioning. 😎
But i dont see a front mount snowblower option...Im interested in the price point though!
Goodworks tractors has some adapters to adapt JDQA to STQA and also he has on that's STQA-JDQA
price point good but ya got to have faith on the long term. Too much risk for me. I was looking at pricepoint when i was buying in 2017. I looked at usual kabota,JD, and an off brand that had yanmar engine. I was real close to buying offbrand liked the place and it just kept nagging at me what if they failed and i cant' get parts. Well in the end trusted my gut paid the extra $$ and went JD dealer was good strong and been around. Did not regret. The offbrand dealership went under. I would have been 7-8 hrs from the nearest. Whew. TRusted my gut. Hope your's works out.
I hit the wrong key. This is a copy of the Solis tractor with a few more amenities.
Solis is a cheaper Yanmar and Solis is not near as heavy built as the Summit.
Could be, but design is very similar, lifting capabilities I believe are the same. Just seems to similar, but painted Green.
Does it come with the 3 point extension on the 2 lower arms ?
Nice over view ty b r ock
2 range hydro kills it for me. Same as deere. Kubota 3 speed trans is life changing!
I don't trust local john deere dealership. They never seem to have time to service my deere 2305.
Arrogant and expensive dealers, they act like they are doing you a favor by taking your money!
Wish they were available for purchase online, F the dealer.
the biggest hurdle this brand of tractor is going to be dealership support. what good is a low priced tractor with a ton of options that other brands charge you for if you cannot get anyone to service/repair it ?. last but not least, the weight is a tad overboard for a compact tractor. i can safely haul my kubota b2100 with any attachment on my single axle trailer , and be well within my trailer axle weight limit, then again..i do not have loaded tires either ?, so this option for this tractor can be deleted if you wanted to lose some weight.
Won't be long now that Brock will be sponsored by Summit like GWT. My 1025r is the only reason I started watching these channels.
And TTWT is driving around an electric tractor now. Guess we will have to keep looking for new 1025r content because I have no interest in anything but what I already own.
Time on the meter is what it needs now.
Good job… how ever, its not an air ride seat. It is an adjustable, spring ride seat.
Can’t always go by price been there done that never again. Pay for what you get
Who makes the engines for Summit tractors? What is the warranty compared to other manufacturers? My first impressions are that I like it. Time will tell for the reliability and long-term quality.
Mitsubishi, tractor is an ITL, they make Solis, Sonalika
When you put the bar in the three point hitch it becomes a tool bar not a draw bar.
Did you get rid of your JD 325 ?
I had a massey 1935M hydrostat. It has a huge delay between forward and reverse. I recently traded for a tym because it had a cab and was $15,000 less money than a massey with a cab. THe tym hydrostat instantly stops and changes directions
I love my JD. The dealer network is a huge part of that as I have a half-dozen dealers within an hour drive. Competition is good for the industry, but I'll stick with my JD.
That's why they sell the most but I got a Yanmar and that's what JD powers theirs with😜
If you want the largest, heaviest, and most lift capacity in the 25HP range, then go with the kioti CK2510 or the Branson 2515R (over 1000lb more lift capactiy). I don't have either one, but there is no comparison. These tractors are in the 35HP average range of lift on both FEL and 3point with other tractors.
The Summit initially impressed me until I saw how the "independent" YT's were being sponsored to go on about being the "best in class". It's not. Good tractor? Probably. "Best" is subjective to whomever is making the statement.
here is my comparison with the RK25
czcams.com/video/iCaLSQbW900/video.html
Good luck on your new equipment! No matter the brand, they are still fun and can work!
There are several positive things about Summit tractors, and those are the things I talked about. I would not put lift capacity on that list.
As you mentioned, There are other brands that try to focus on having the highest lift capacity as their calling card. Summit has focused on other features. That’s what they advertise as their selling points.
There are also some negatives with summit tractors, and I tried to point those out as well. I’m a very upbeat positive person so it’s hard for me to focus on negatives with anything I do. I just see the positives more than I see the negatives.
You realize good work tractors is a tractor dealership right? I don’t think anyone watches his videos and thinks he is “independent” or unbiased…
He earns his living, selling tractors and attachments. He has a deal with pretty much everything he shows, and in my mind that’s OK because basically everybody knows that. At least I assume they do because it seems pretty obvious that he is not unbiased
Now, I think he does try to operate with integrity and show pros and cons. I am sponsored by some implement manufactures, and it’s difficult to give an honest opinion without appearing biased, because as you were saying, most of these companies, make a great product.
So you talk about all the things you like about the company but that’s not the same as claiming they are better than any other company
I’ve watched several of Courtney‘s videos about the summit tractors, and he points out some things that are unique or special about the brand, but I didn’t remember him describing it as the best Tractor in its class. Maybe he does but that’s not what I recall.
They are definitely best in class at offering optional features as standard on an economy Tractor. That’s not the same as being all around the best, because how would you even define that. People are looking for different things.
They are worst in class at having a dealer network
I’m not affiliated with Summit and I wouldn’t even buy one right now but I highlighted the things that I do think are good about them
As a CZcamsr, there are a couple things I try to avoid. One is calling out another CZcamsr in my video, even though Courtney just did that himself.
another is posting links to my video in the comment section of someone else’s video. It doesn’t bother me, and in this case it was relevant, but in general that is not a good practice.
Most CZcams channels have the comment filters set to block links so it won’t show up
Thanks for watching and have a great day.
I got the Yanmar SA424, big tires, 1,199 lift capacity, best warranty in the industry, 10 years. Same engine Deere uses, less money.
Great Video I have the RK55 and its the same way very strong tractor and heavy, but I have a 3016 Mahindra 3016 with 25 hp and I also can lift well over a 1000 Lbs loved your Video great job
Thanks
The Summit has some nice features, what diesel engine is it running? I am sure that you guys are aware that all the JD tractors your talking about are made by Yahnmar correct? I started out with a 25 HP JD/Yahnmar and it was a great tractor and I grew to love the drive over deck for mounting. After 5 years with that tractor I upgraded to a Cub Cadet/Yahnmar thats 32 HP and its used virtually every day on our farm, just like the JD was. I do have a cab for the 32 HP I am using now and take the cab off in the summer for mowing and all the other tasks the tractor is used for. Blowing snow is a very big use in the winter here I also always have a bucket loader on my tractors and I have a 60" rear mounted blower on my tractor and seem to always use the Allied brand and they get used a lot. I will average 60 to 70 hours in the tractor moving snow every winter. The Summit sure does come with some features that would be nice like the rear hydraulics they are extra on all my tractors, the air ride seat is to tall for blowing snow it would hurt rear visibility, the mirrors are OK but I work in trees a lot and I think they would last about 10 minutes . I dont know what the self leveling feature is I have never heard of it? The summit frame and physical size is a bit smaller than I am used to and by the location of the fuel tank and the hydraulics lever a cab is not an option? For the right person I am sure it would be a very adequate tractor.
I appreciate your thoughts on it. The summit is using a Mitsubishi engine
Yanmar doesn’t “make” the Deere compact tractors although they used to.
Yanmar does still make the engines for Deere compacts
Self leveling loader is a game changer in my mind. Whatever tilt angle you have the bucket at it will stay at that relative angle while the loader goes up and down.
You can still change the angle like normal but otherwise it will stay at the same angle
I have videos about it
Without a belly mower option I wouldn't be interested.
The rumor is, they were going to be releasing a belly mower for these, but they don’t have it yet.
The irony is that my video today was comparing a belly mower to other types of tractor mowers
I have the auto connect drive over deck on my deere and I would not buy it again. I just feel there are better mower options. You can put on the three-point.
Where are you located!? How far is the nearest dealer/parts/service center?
I would love to own a Summit but there are no dealers anywhere near me, let alone service centers. I understand they are supposed to be coming out with a slightly larger model in 2023... waiting to see how that one goes and if they're going to open sales in any of the northern states?
Tires are R14
Very interesting that it has a mid mount PTO.
What size mower deck fits to it?
My Yanmar SA424 does it, for a mower of course.
JDQA weighs less, maximizing the small tractor's capabilities. I wish all other SCUT/CUT manufacturers would switch to JDQA.
And the skid steer doesn't have 3 point arms, so it can't share rear attachments.
To summarize, get the right tool for the job. That might be a heavy duty skid steer, that might be a multi purpose "swiss army knife" tractor, but each has its place. Not sure what skid steer attachments would be truly suitable for a small tractor
Where is it made? Parts / service dealerships? Big questions. (Btw you probably gained 400-500 max total with tire fill. Those tires aren’t that big.)
Yeah, they are just slightly smaller tires than my Tractor has and I got 530 pounds of fluid.
I think he was comparing total tractor weight of his old tractor which didn’t have loaded tires to this one with the loaded tires but I’m not sure
Made by ITL in India.
Good works tractor
how is it getting parts for that summit?
Brian's channel: www.youtube.com/@McClureMadeOutdoors
Just seems like a "bagin-brand" that is "ginger-breaded" up. Case in point: just a 2 range hydrostatic-slip-a-matic , only 5( Five) lug nut hubs, No clutch( grind-um if ya can find-um). Only ONE Brake pedal;( maybe the one fell OFF). This little rig are a perfect replacement from the "shovel-wheelburo " days for the 25 hour a year "home-loaner" that likes cup holders, free dead weight( tires filled), "tinker-toy" 3rd function& remote, almost "treadless" tires( very shallow tread), bicycle "style" mirrors,marker lights everywere, light weight ( entry-level) turn-Buckle-itis stabilizes( not). Two good things though; self-leveling loader, & "hide-in-the-woods" Green paint. For 14,000 i might take the "chance". Thank you Sir for the Excelent vidio introduction. Best wishes with all your endeavours.
I don’t really have a strong opinion on it. Just sharing what I see
😂 brutal
What does this tractor cost?
19k
Our local Mahindra dealer went out of business. They had TERRIBLE service guys and the new tractors sat on the yard so long the plastic parts were sun- faded.
You need to make a roller to pull behind your tractor with lots of cement in it
Yeah, I’m familiar with Courtney from Goodworks tractors. I mentioned him in the videos as a source for more information on Summit tractors
what do I need a roller for?
Resale value probably doesn't beat JD.
I guess if there’s a $5000-$8000 cheaper price difference of similar common brands it might be worthy for the hobby farmer or somebody that uses it lightly! I’m a bit shy of these off brands hanging around long (like cub cadet tractors)
Seems like a Harbor Freight type tool! ….might be good for a couple years but start to fall apart after awhile! Guess they need to be proven like anything else!
I agree with you in theory, except these aren’t new companies that just started making tractors. These are companies that have made tractors for a long time and decided to sell them in the United States under a different name.
I’m not even saying, I would buy one, but those are two different scenarios
You get what you pay for. Just wait until he needs parts and/or he gets ready to trade or sell it.
Hi Brock
Howdy
@@RockhillfarmYT How do u make ur CZcams videos? Do u use your cellphone or a GoPro ?
I use a DSLR camera
So where are you from buddy ?
Kansas
Will these lift those metal bins full of firewood. I do firewood and that's what I need plus the normal stuff.
No ' Auto Throttle ' no go for me .
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While the specs look good what happens if the guys importing these Summit tractors (made by ITL) conclude they aren't selling well and they are losing money. They pull the plug and this one batch is it. You now have an orphan with no dealer support. At least with some of the other rebranded tractors made by TYM for example you could potentially get parts or repair from one of the other brands made by them. Are there many Solis dealers (also built by ITL) in the USA?
Not in many states at all
What about the engine? Every video I watch only takes about the features. That's great but the engine is the heart. What kinda diesel is it. Summit brand it's own?
Mitsubishi
Looks alot like RK25, which the difference of 1k more in the cost.
Not a chance in hell I would give up by JD 2038 R for that.
Where is this made?
Does anyone know the length of the JD 2032r? Looking for length from 3pt arms to the bucket edge to see if it will fit in my garage. Thanks!
I’ll try to remember to take a measurement but I think it’s just under 12 foot because my 12 foot dump trailer would barely hold the tractor with no rear attachment
Perfect i got 13ft Sounds like im covered!
I better double check it when I get home tonight. It’s been a while and now I’m thinking maybe I didn’t even have the bucket on when I transported with the 12 footer.
Great thanks!
They’re in the same price range as a jd tractor
John Deere's small tractor prices have gotten ridiculous because most people that buy them want the hydrostatic drive. Most people that buy them don't need a return on the investment and they just keep paying the higher prices. Can't blame JD for that and they are good machines with good resale value. I think they have cast aluminum transmission and rear end casings now which makes them lighter than the older models. That is one beef I have with JD about them. Kubota makes good machines but the engineering is not as refined as JDs and Yanmars. Mahindras are barely OK but have terrible resale value. My price considerations are: 1) For the high prices, I would not buy a compact or subcompact hydro JD. The gear-drive JDs are cheaper but not as convenient for loader work. 2) I would not buy a Kubota because I appreciate the more refined engineering of the JDs. 3) I would not buy a Mahindra because if I wanted to sell it used it wouldn't bring half it's purchase price after a year. 4) I would buy a Yanmar for sure but they are also pretty high priced and there are not many dealers. 5) I would consider the Summit line because of the price, which still is not that good for such sized machine but the standard equipment is all there if it has a differential lock. ..... So to conclude, I would like a smaller machine with a loader, so I will look at the Summit line. By the way, we have four JDs, a 4020, a 4320, a 4520, and a Z-trac 920 zero turn. Plus two 4400 combines and two old 45 combines. All are 50+ years old except the Z-trac. All are well engineered and incredibly reliable machines. Maybe if I get a Summit I could get some JD green and yellow paint to help it fit end here on the farm.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Yanmar is an appealing option to me
I really love my Yanmar SA424, best warranty in the industry, more traction and ground clearance, everything is cast iron from the engine to the transmission and 1,199 lift capacity. I did have to drive over 4 hours to pick it up but they will probably never see it again 😂
Say it ain’t so Brock! And after watching a few minutes in, this is clickbait.
Also, the excuse of JD quick attach vs Universal quick attach is a mute point. Titan and other brands have inexpensive adapters that are easy to use and weigh very little.
Though it’s “kind of” clickbait, someone DID switch from John Deere to Summit 😉
I get a giggle out of guys who buy these cheaper tractors. They think because they saved money they got a better "deal". Wait until it breaks or you need service. Wait until your tractor is down 4-6 weeks waiting on parts. The very reason farmers buy certain brands, and the majority is Deere, is because down time is not acceptable. Deere and other good brands can get you up in running in a day. When your Summit breaks down, I hope buyers are stewing on that savings, while they wait weeks to get their tractor up and running again.
I get it, some guys are watching their dollars, but most times a dollar saved today will cost ten next week.
Right, there are some good points there, but the other thing is a lot of people buy these 25 hp tractors and then only put 40 hours a year on them.
Likelihood of breakdowns and wait time on parts are less of a concern if you just have it as a hobby machine and not something you earn a living with
@@RockhillfarmYT Maybe... Just sold a old Ford tractor to a guy the other day. His horse boarding facility bought a Kioti. Had less than 200 hours on it. It's been down for 3 months because the dealer can't figure out what is wrong with the regen system. Could have been anything else as well. Point being, I don't care how few hours someone puts on a tractor, it can/will go down at any point. How long do you want your 20+K tractor down?
People don't buy these tractors to decorate a garage. Even when only putting a small amount of hours on a machine, they want it to use whenever they want. A break down or maintenance parts that take more than a couple of days is usually unacceptable to the owners. No one gives all that money for a tractor to NOT use it.
All this considered, made it easy for my decision. In the end with zero percent APR, my Kubota is actually cheaper than one of those off brand tractors, AND I don't have too much worry about parts or service.
There is some misinformation in this video regarding the service of these tractors. If you are serious about purchasing a Summit, do yourself a favor and watch the American land man podcast episode #39. The founder goes in to great detail about the service plan.
Thanks for the information. What do you mean the services?
I talked to the founder In person at the national farm machinery show and will be curious to hear what I’m saying wrong
The last thing I want to do is put out incorrect information, but at the same time I’m not trying to be authoritative source. You’ll always get your best information direct from the company.
Absolutely, you all made reference to the tractors being serviced at the places they are sold after employee training. That is incorrect and IMO that would seem like a pretty sloppy service plan. I just don’t want people to watch this video and picture a tractor supply retail employee working on their tractor after “training”.
Prior to the availability of the tractor in a particular area, Summit will contract with local businesses to provide a network of service. From what I understand approximately 50% of those contracted service entities thus far actually have mobile capabilities.
I don’t want to speak in too much detail because I am not the expert. However as I mentioned earlier, Doug has a very detailed conversation with the American land man about the tractor and it’s service. It really sounds like the company is investing heavily into service. It seems as though they are very aware that the service aspect of the business will likely decide it’s fate.
Looking forward to the future Summit Tractor reviews!