The $11B Tunnel That Could Save One of Europe’s Busiest Mountain Corridors | WSJ Breaking Ground

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  • čas přidán 4. 06. 2024
  • Nestled under the Alps and the Italian-Austrian border, the Brenner Base Tunnel is poised to be the longest underground railway connection in the world. The $11 billion megaproject, which has been floated around for centuries, is both a wild engineering feat and a critical project in the EU’s effort to connect itself, known as the Trans-European Transport Network.
    This corridor will link ports in Scandinavia to ports in the Mediterranean, as well as connect Germany’s economy with Italy’s.
    WSJ explores the opportunities this tunnel will open between the regions and how the EU’s effort to connect itself across borders aims to strengthen its global posture.
    0:00 The Brenner Base Tunnel
    0:42 How the tunnel will be beneficial
    3:07 Cutting freight route times
    3:55 Construction sites
    4:59 Cost of the megaproject
    Breaking Ground digs into megaprojects around the world, uncovering what these developments might mean for the surrounding region and the ultimate costs.
    #Megaprojects #Economy #WSJ

Komentáře • 392

  • @ebbeb9827
    @ebbeb9827 Před 7 měsíci +805

    we need more rail infrastructure all over Europe.

    • @awellculturedmanofanime1246
      @awellculturedmanofanime1246 Před 7 měsíci +14

      Yeah sure but its not like you can do it everywhere first its expensive and has to be useful and second it can be harmful environmentally if we built unnecessary railway

    • @eksbocks9438
      @eksbocks9438 Před 7 měsíci +49

      Austria really is correct on this one. It's not strictly the climate change thing. But all the congestion on one narrow highway.
      If they can transport this stuff by railway, it would take a lot of pressure off the roads.

    • @KeVIn-pm7pu
      @KeVIn-pm7pu Před 7 měsíci +42

      ​@@awellculturedmanofanime1246no such thing as unnecessary railway. We have roads everywhere. Roads that are better replaced with rail

    • @isitdatserious
      @isitdatserious Před 7 měsíci +21

      ⁠@@awellculturedmanofanime1246okay but roads and cars are not harmful environmentally? Gotcha.

    • @sgritheall163
      @sgritheall163 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Concrete and steel = tonnes of co2.

  • @ekesandras1481
    @ekesandras1481 Před 7 měsíci +505

    You didn't mention the most important reason for delay: the unwillingness of Bavaria to construct the connection railroad from the Austrian/Bavarian border to Munich. While most of this work has already been done in Austria and Italy, on the German side they haven't even decided the exact route.

    • @cyberslim7955
      @cyberslim7955 Před 7 měsíci +120

      German bureaucracy is a monster...

    • @karlheinz4059
      @karlheinz4059 Před 7 měsíci +116

      its the same here in switzerland. we made a simmilar agreement with germany and italy. there were no probpems with italy but many with germany. the germans make agreements and think the infrastructure will build without doing something. they need to understand that they cant make agreements and then dont honor them. its a shame how terrible germany became in the last 10-15 years.

    • @cyberslim7955
      @cyberslim7955 Před 7 měsíci +26

      @@karlheinz4059 It's the bureaucracy, totally and utterly overloaded/useless/lazy. The reason, why the economy is tanking!

    • @KeVIn-pm7pu
      @KeVIn-pm7pu Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@cyberslim7955No its not. Its German politicians that Hold it up

    • @cyberslim7955
      @cyberslim7955 Před 7 měsíci +24

      @@szrew7992 No, has nothing to do with politics, it's the bureaucracy. Germany is officially a third world country because of it's bureaucracy, and only because of it's bureaucracy. I lived abroad over 25 years, now I am back in Germany. OMG! OMG! OMG!
      Everything is ok, but the bureaucracy is worse than in a third world country! Every country is digitalising, but not Germany. The German bureaucracy is insanely overloaded with laws made by bureaucrats and is completely unwilling to make decisions, because they could legally backfire. Nobody needs to take responsibility for anything anyway, because nobody ever gets fired.
      If you don't live in Germany and have not lived in other countries before, you have no clue, it is unbelievable. Let me tell you, the Germans live in this bureaucratic stinking mess for so long, they even don't understand how bad it is compare to other countries.
      So to the outside, it looks like there is a lack of political will, but actually it's the bureaucracy, which is completely unable to push anything through. And this now also shows on the overall economy. So many businesses don't invest in Germany anymore, because of bureaucratic insanity. Search on YT, there are thousands of vids about this.

  • @peterrampitsch8110
    @peterrampitsch8110 Před 7 měsíci +226

    There are actually 2 other tunnels under construction in Austria: the Semmeringbasistunnel und the Koralmtunnel. The route is from Vienna to Graz and then to Klagenfurt and from there to Italy. This two other tunnels are combined about the same length as the BBT.

    • @justsamoo3480
      @justsamoo3480 Před 7 měsíci +30

      Yeah both Italy and Austria are doing amazing. Italians for example are building an even bigger tunnel to France as well as Valico tunnel which is similar in length to Koralp and Semmering base tunnels.

  • @jhwheuer
    @jhwheuer Před 7 měsíci +856

    And this an example of a project that only stable democracies can really do. Carefully integrated in the environment, based on actual financials, and without grandiose, and ultimately counter-productive, deadlines. Steady, dependable, almost boring work of a subtle sophistication.

    • @cityuser
      @cityuser Před 7 měsíci +136

      "Almost" boring? I would say the vast majority of the work is to bore!

    • @greenrico10
      @greenrico10 Před 7 měsíci +31

      Ever heard of China

    • @TheDubaiNavigator
      @TheDubaiNavigator Před 7 měsíci +42

      In China this tunnel would have been completed in 1/5 the time for ⅓ the cost.

    • @jhwheuer
      @jhwheuer Před 7 měsíci

      @@TheDubaiNavigator crashed in two year, would have displaced 500K people, wrecked the rivers, caused toxic dumps all over and would have been built not to support the economy but some ego by placing it in the wrong location.
      Been to China, you seem to think Augustus the Great. Think more Attila the Hun.

    • @kevinloo9688
      @kevinloo9688 Před 7 měsíci +54

      actually infrastructure is the strong suit of autocracies. innovation & freedom are products of democracy, which in large parts hinder big projects like these. refer to the lackluster infrastructure of US. even with bipartisan support for build back better, we're yet to see many promised projects to break grounds due to legal hurdles afforded by democracy

  • @GenieChef
    @GenieChef Před 7 měsíci +77

    Sadly due to the incompetence of the germans (like always) the project won't be able to run full capacity even after construction on the austrian and italian side is finished. Same happened with the Gotthard-tunnel in Switzerland. Germany really became an incredible unreliable partner in recent years.

    • @erik5374
      @erik5374 Před 7 měsíci +16

      Same with our Betuwe-lijn. It’s a freight rail from Rotterdam to germany. Dutch part was finished 16 years ago. Building the german part should have started in 2003, but was postponed until 2016. And now it’s delayed to 2026.

    • @etienne8110
      @etienne8110 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Always has been.

    • @prithvirajsrinivasan1077
      @prithvirajsrinivasan1077 Před 7 měsíci +1

      If it is good for the environment, saves costs and furthers trade link, why are the Germans delaying this?

    • @erik5374
      @erik5374 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@prithvirajsrinivasan1077 Germany has troubles to finance infrastructure projects.

    • @prithvirajsrinivasan1077
      @prithvirajsrinivasan1077 Před 7 měsíci

      @@erik5374 Trouble as in lack of budget?

  • @APAstronaut333
    @APAstronaut333 Před 7 měsíci +66

    I like to see the European Union working in that way.

  • @fjuvo
    @fjuvo Před 7 měsíci +290

    You should've talked about the delay on the German portion of the project. It doesn't just stop in Austria. And because Germany had such delays, the tunnel will not be able to reach even close it's capacity for 10 years after it's completion

    • @jpsion
      @jpsion Před 7 měsíci +1

      why? project overruns arent news. all about risk management.

    • @Slithermotion
      @Slithermotion Před 7 měsíci +94

      Look at the gotthardbase tunnel, Germany is decades behind doing it's part which was legally written down.
      Brennerbasetunnel will have the same issue.
      Suprisingly the italians are more reliable then the germans with planning infrastructure...no offense my italian friends.

    • @fjuvo
      @fjuvo Před 7 měsíci +27

      ​@@Slithermotion Honestly there should be fines for signatories that are missing deadlines. Just like with construction companies

    • @robertmusil1107
      @robertmusil1107 Před 7 měsíci +32

      Unlucky that Germans can't plan and constuct anything properly. Look at the airport in Berlin or the Stuttgart project :D:D

    • @_SpamMe
      @_SpamMe Před 7 měsíci +27

      Yes, the real issue is not the tunnel - that will get build, slowly, but steadily. The issue are the connecting routes, which have NIMBY issues on both sides. But unfortunately much worse on the Bavarian/German side, so won't get that done in time.
      Difficult to understand why that is; there's some German mini docus on it on youtube. People just come across as very petty, with nonsense concerns, and politicians rather than support the project undermine it via empty promises to those people, as if somehow the Brenner problems could be fixed in a different way.

  • @zyoninkiro
    @zyoninkiro Před 7 měsíci +52

    In northwest Italy/southeast France, we have another major rail project, the Lyon Turin line which will include the Mont d'Ambin Base Tunnel. That tunnel will be even longer than the Brenner Base Tunnel. This project has been slowly lurching forward and the NIMBY group, NoTAV (Treno ad Alta Velocita or High Speed Train), has been protesting and doing their best to block it. However progress is staring to be made. The Europeans don't mess around when it comes to rail projects.

  • @pearpenguin
    @pearpenguin Před 7 měsíci +26

    Ha. Very good video. I originally thought I clicked on a B1M video until I left realize halfway that it wasn't Fred talking.

  • @MainulWasTaken
    @MainulWasTaken Před 7 měsíci +30

    Really proud of my country 🇮🇹 to make some intercontinental infrastructures that will boost our economy to the moon

    • @fr4120
      @fr4120 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Economia italiana alle stelle????
      Non credo viviamo nello stesso paese

    • @gre894
      @gre894 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Intercontinental means between continents

    • @MainulWasTaken
      @MainulWasTaken Před 7 měsíci

      @@gre894 sorry
      So between continental which word is used?

    • @gre894
      @gre894 Před 7 měsíci +3

      @@MainulWasTaken Intracontinental or I guess in this case, intereuropean/intra-EU would be an applicable term.

  • @vladcampos
    @vladcampos Před 7 měsíci +272

    When you publish a video about Europe, I believe it is reasonable to assume that the majority of the audience will be from Europe. Having said that, I think it would be polite to use the metric system 😉

    • @ThomasK3004
      @ThomasK3004 Před 7 měsíci +52

      The intellectual horizon of many Americans only extends from Los Angeles to New York. They don't realize that they are almost alone in the world with their completely destructive system (feet, miles, inces, lbs, etc.).

    • @giuseppenero110
      @giuseppenero110 Před 7 měsíci +8

      @@ThomasK3004: Inbred arrogance; like a European country with that same system and who wouldn't bother to change to right-side driving like many other countries did

    • @covfefe1787
      @covfefe1787 Před 7 měsíci +8

      NATO dictates what Europe can or cant do. remember you are Vassals to Washington.

    • @DonHrvato
      @DonHrvato Před 7 měsíci

      The funny thing is, the Metric system is official in US. "Congress has established a national policy to make the metric system the preferred system of measurement for trade and commerce in the United States." See: www.nist.gov/pml/owm/metrication-law

    • @adrien5834
      @adrien5834 Před 7 měsíci +40

      @@covfefe1787 NATO uses metric.

  • @HughNeylan
    @HughNeylan Před 7 měsíci +12

    Bit of nostalgia to see the UK in the EU road/rail infrastructure map 1:02 😢

  • @retohummer2570
    @retohummer2570 Před 7 měsíci +12

    You better build a tunnel under Germany, that's the real bottleneck 😂

    • @MrSaemichlaus
      @MrSaemichlaus Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yeah Germany is also making the swiss Gotthard base tunnel a bit of a thud. The passenger rail connections are laughable too.

  • @NotDumbassable
    @NotDumbassable Před 7 měsíci +81

    You seem to have misunderstood how the Austrian federal system works.
    The federal government did not impose these traffic limitations, the Tyrolean state government did.
    And the federal gov couldn‘t force the state gov to lift them even if they wanted to.

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen Před 7 měsíci

      One of the main function of federal systems is for the states to blame everything controversial to the federal government eventhough they have nothing to do with it.

    • @OscarUnrated
      @OscarUnrated Před 7 měsíci +15

      @@cmmartti that’s a bad analogy, your body is under completely centralized control, if it was a country it’d be a dictatorship. In this case it’s more like your kid punched someone and you need to take some responsibility

    • @ipel4
      @ipel4 Před 7 měsíci

      They've signed a treaty making european law supersede austrian law. It is illegal. Full stop.

    • @mitanni0
      @mitanni0 Před 7 měsíci +15

      @@cmmartti Austrian here. "If it so chooses" translates into "complex & lenghty negotiations needed". It wasn't mentioned in the clip, but the population along the transport corridor - which spans from Kitzbühel via Innsbruck to Matrei am Brenner (several 100k people) isn't happy with the insane amount of traffic going on in their backyard (often times, quite literally so). Any regional politician who might choose to ignore those complaints wouldn't survive politically.

    • @lul605
      @lul605 Před 7 měsíci +3

      And it's good that there are trafic restrictions

  • @edoardorossi5031
    @edoardorossi5031 Před 7 měsíci +15

    Long term planning. Well done to all involved!

    • @that1niceguy246
      @that1niceguy246 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Except Germany - they get their well done when they finally finish their part of the project. Because the corridors rely on Germany also expanding their parts of the corridor.

  • @nomad6-1
    @nomad6-1 Před 7 měsíci +27

    The problem is the Munich to Innsbruck railway. Without high speed in there, people will still take the plane to go from Germany to Italy. I suppose it's fine for freight.

    • @Ale-bj7nd
      @Ale-bj7nd Před 7 měsíci +6

      Yeah, it takes me 3 hours from Italy to Munich by car, while it takes 6 hours by train, costs more, and you have to take 2 changes (hoping for no delays). I see no reasons to use the train.

    • @Ale-bj7nd
      @Ale-bj7nd Před 7 měsíci +19

      We need a HS line between Verona and Munich.

    • @stascht7116
      @stascht7116 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@Ale-bj7ndwohin in Italien von München aus dauert es denn 3 Stunden mit dem Auto, aber 6 mit dem Zug. Fahre die Strecke oft und verstehe deine Aussage nicht ganz

    • @Ale-bj7nd
      @Ale-bj7nd Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@stascht7116 Ich spreche nicht sehr gut Deutsch. Kannst di in English repeat it?

    • @Ale-bj7nd
      @Ale-bj7nd Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@stascht7116 Wait, I think I have understood. Check Ortisei (Grödental)

  • @RomaInvicta202
    @RomaInvicta202 Před 7 měsíci +21

    That's a great example of two things:
    a) why we, Europeans need EU
    b) why not everything can be done by private companies

    • @ezioauditore1522
      @ezioauditore1522 Před 3 měsíci

      Costruite con i soldi dei contribuenti e date in concessione a privati con sede in paradisi fiscali nella stessa unione. Eh si; proprio due grandi esempi. Io la EU non la voglio.

  • @Mike-lf7sh
    @Mike-lf7sh Před 7 měsíci +13

    Only Germany is failing to build their infrastructure to get proper train connectivity incl. truck infrastructure to the BBT

  • @cliffwoodbury5319
    @cliffwoodbury5319 Před 7 měsíci +21

    there are another 2 or 3 of these base tunnels built/being built and you should do documentries on all of them because they are all interesting and watch every video that comes out for them.

  • @michaelmains6785
    @michaelmains6785 Před 7 měsíci +16

    Keep these infrastructure videos coming!

  • @Jhossack
    @Jhossack Před 7 měsíci +9

    It is genuinely gobsmacking to see this modern masterpiece measured in ”miles”

  • @Czechbound
    @Czechbound Před 7 měsíci +5

    I new nothing about this. Now I do. This is very interesting and informative. Well done !

  • @AB-zl4nh
    @AB-zl4nh Před 7 měsíci +16

    TEAM 🇪🇺 EUROPE

  • @StephenSmith-ge1qf
    @StephenSmith-ge1qf Před 7 měsíci +3

    In the area where I live, there are two main rail routes through from Italy into Switzerland. The busier one goes on a more eastern route, through the border at Chiasso and thence to the Gotthard base tunnel. My local one is a single track, built in the 1880's, which follows the shore of Lake Maggiore and enters Switzerland there. It was modernised around 6 years ago, but it's still very old infrastructure and the plan is to run millions of tons of freight along it. New rail infrastructure is definitely needed, before some incident dumps toxic waste into the water and river systems which supply the whole of the densely populated north of Italy.

    • @SwissCHer
      @SwissCHer Před 7 měsíci

      The Simplon/Sempione railway from Milan to Brig is double track but I agree that the infrastructure needs to be renovated.

  • @brunoheggli2888
    @brunoheggli2888 Před 7 měsíci

    Wow so much love!Amazing!

  • @alejosky
    @alejosky Před 5 měsíci +1

    There is a small mistake at 1:39. The narrator says "... this main highway: the Brenner Pass", but the (black and white) image on display is of the Europa bridge, which is 30 km north of the Brenner Pass. Both, the Brenner Pass and the Europa Bridge are part of the Brenner Autobahn (or motorway A13), which is the actual main highway in mention.

  • @jentulj9611
    @jentulj9611 Před 7 měsíci +11

    The auto industry in Germany 🇩🇪 undermines all those mass transport infrastructure.

  • @StefanoLinguanotto
    @StefanoLinguanotto Před 7 měsíci

    Thank you for using so much actual footage of the site

  • @denniswoodhouse3351
    @denniswoodhouse3351 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I remember going over the brenner pass in 1990s in a school
    Minibus on a climbing trip ; the brakes where smoking on the way down …

  • @niklasgermann
    @niklasgermann Před 7 měsíci +1

    I am from Austria and this is actually the best report I ever saw about this topic, and its yet far away

  • @Marco-hl6gz
    @Marco-hl6gz Před 7 měsíci +5

    for context, San Francisco is building a 6 mi (10km) subway extension for $12B

    • @HughNeylan
      @HughNeylan Před 7 měsíci +2

      But this is in a built up urban area where costs for labour, land and sound/dust/environmental mitigations for people who live and work in the area are $$$

    • @roger0929
      @roger0929 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I wonder how much more expensive it would be if San Francisco were in a seismically-active zone?

  • @thomasbaenziger9605
    @thomasbaenziger9605 Před 7 měsíci +4

    This article is interesting but it must mention the Gotthard railway tunnel😢

    • @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505
      @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 Před 7 měsíci

      It's not about the Gotthard tunnel, we didn't click for "tunnels under the Alps"

  • @antoniiocaluso1071
    @antoniiocaluso1071 Před 7 měsíci

    truly a heroic effort by all, and well-worth the effort. Especially IF it expands into Eastern Europe more! Whoever came up with this had...bigga ballza!

  • @CitronCassis
    @CitronCassis Před 7 měsíci +3

    There is also the Lyon - Turin line with a 57,5km tunnel under the Alps (with a total of 162 km of galleries.)
    It should be finished in 2032 or more.

  • @TwoNote
    @TwoNote Před 7 měsíci +74

    What I find outstanding is that in NYC it cost several billions to extend the subway station a couple of miles. Meanwhile in they are building about 20 miles of tunnel for just 11 Billions. I get that NYC is denser etc, but the numbers are so disproportionate.

    • @JK-gu3tl
      @JK-gu3tl Před 7 měsíci +7

      Maybe NYC should outsource?

    • @Maurazio
      @Maurazio Před 7 měsíci +33

      it's really not surprising, on the alps you are not digging underground but from the side and you have tons of space for construction sites and machinery, dumping dirt, housing workers. no human infrastructure inside the mountain either, no vibration problems, just geological issues if the job was not planned properly.

    • @Malte_OJ
      @Malte_OJ Před 7 měsíci +19

      Subway extensions in Europe aren't cheaper. Subway stations are pretty expensive, but there won't be any stations in this tunnel.

    • @Sedna063
      @Sedna063 Před 7 měsíci +16

      The thing is, nobody owns anything a mile below the mountains. You just make a test drill and once you are satisfied with your findings, you are good to go. Nobody then cares.
      Digging in a city is different. There is so much infrastructure, basements, foundations, wires, debris etc. Not much space for logistics etc…
      That makes it exoensive

    • @alaindumas1824
      @alaindumas1824 Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@Malte_OJ You have a lot to learn about Europe. Presupuesto ampliacion linea 11 Metro de Madrid 10 km desde Conde Casal hasta Mar de Cristal con 5 paradas = 650 milliones Euro. Prolongement metro 14 jusqu'a l'aeroport d'Orly 207 million Euros/km. Costo previsto linea 5 Metro Milano compreso stazione e treni 105 millioni E/km.

  • @giuseppegenova4990
    @giuseppegenova4990 Před 7 měsíci +3

    And this is only one of the megaproject in contruction. Italy has amazing mountains, but on the counterpart this lets to extreme difficulties in building infrastructures. They are masters in civil engineering at time of building bridges and tunnels.

    • @hape3862
      @hape3862 Před 7 měsíci +1

      … as seen a few years ago in Genoa.

    • @intersezioni
      @intersezioni Před 7 měsíci

      @@hape3862 and in many other parts of the world like China or the United States for example, where other bridges have collapsed!

    • @hape3862
      @hape3862 Před 7 měsíci

      @@intersezioni Non mi piace quando le persone si gonfiano. Questo mi stimola a farli sfogare un po'. Soprattutto quando un genovese, tra tutti, parla della fantastica costruzione di ponti italiani. 🤔

    • @giuseppegiovani2748
      @giuseppegiovani2748 Před 4 měsíci

      @@hape3862 Il ponte era fantastico ma se non lo curi nel tempo diventa ovviamente una merda

  • @jumponthenextlevel
    @jumponthenextlevel Před 7 měsíci +2

    The Most important for freight rail is that you dont ned a second or third loco. You can run the alps flat with the same configuration from south to north.

  • @stehgrad
    @stehgrad Před 7 měsíci +74

    The biggest problem are the Germans. They will not have proper railway lines to the BBT when it is finished. They are slow as @@@@ and don't invest in their infrastructure. For Austria this is only one of three mega tunnels which are currently under construction and we can do this without any issues. Germany doesn't even know where to build the rails to the BBT. This will take decades.

    • @flierfy
      @flierfy Před 7 měsíci +2

      Wrong. The infrastructure in Germany is already in place. It already provides the necessary capacities to feed the BBT.

    • @nomad6-1
      @nomad6-1 Před 7 měsíci +19

      @@flierfy It's too slow. Munich to Innsbruck takes too much time. There should be High-speed railways. So people could take the train from germany to italy instead of planes.

    • @RC2225
      @RC2225 Před 7 měsíci +2

      And for the Gotthard base tunnel they know the route but it will open at earliest in the 40s. Even Italy is much further with building out the infrastructure from Switzerland to Genova.

    • @justsamoo3480
      @justsamoo3480 Před 7 měsíci +7

      @@flierfy Italy also has railways to the BBT, yet they’re still building the high speed rail line to it on an arguably tougher terrain with higher population density

    • @flierfy
      @flierfy Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@nomad6-1 The BBT gets built first and foremost to simplify operation and may even provide additional capacities. Speeding up passenger traffic is a completely different kettle and a by-product of this project. Shortening travel times north of Innsbruck, though, is rather low on the priority list, and quite rightly so.
      Germany is the DACH-country which has sped up rail travel the most and will continue to do so, just not necessarily there where the Austrians wants it.

  • @reneschneiderAustralia
    @reneschneiderAustralia Před 7 měsíci +6

    There are already 2 base Alps tunnel through Switzerland as an alternative!

    • @patrickbaer7156
      @patrickbaer7156 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Even better, they are not paid by EU but only by Switzerland itself :-)

    • @MrSaemichlaus
      @MrSaemichlaus Před 7 měsíci

      @@patrickbaer7156 I don't understand to this day why we don't charge a toll fee for the tunnel! Probably some green bigger picture reason, for example avoiding more flights.

  • @lucios_7266
    @lucios_7266 Před 7 měsíci +10

    Considering my city (Karlsruhe) spent 1,5 billion euros (1,6 billion dollars) on a tunnel about 6 km (4 miles) long 11 billion for a tunnel through the alps doesn’t seem that expensive

  • @goatman86
    @goatman86 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Same happend to the tunnel connecting Germany with east Denmark. What tunnel? you ask, yeah my point exactly.

  • @Cier433
    @Cier433 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Good explanatory video of the project and its benefits although the last part about the war was unnecessary. They should have talked better about whether the merchandise would travel in a container or the entire truck would be taken by train as they do on a similar train in Switzerland.

    • @bramharms72
      @bramharms72 Před 7 měsíci

      They're Americans, they can only justify spending government money if it's for war.

  • @_Pinkesh_kumar_Yadav
    @_Pinkesh_kumar_Yadav Před 7 měsíci

    Good work pals

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 Před 7 měsíci

    Very interesting!

  • @lolipoable
    @lolipoable Před 7 měsíci

    I don't know, I've done that road multiple times, I never felt it was slow or supper busy. Guess they looking for the future

  • @smallsmartshorty
    @smallsmartshorty Před 7 měsíci

    I have been so curious to learn the details of how the engineers accounted for curvature. Is anyone able to point me in the right direction or provide more information?

  • @tylerroberts1276
    @tylerroberts1276 Před 7 měsíci +2

    $11 billion for 30 miles of tunnel
    *cries in New Yorker vernacular*

  • @michaelclement1337
    @michaelclement1337 Před 7 měsíci

    That's certainly long term planning. I'm assuming that the terrain prevents more dive sites to speed up the project

    • @hape3862
      @hape3862 Před 7 měsíci +1

      There are several dive sites, but for each one you have to dig a huge hole several hundred meters deep to reach the base tunnel. The access high in the mountains with the corresponding environmental, logistical and economic disadvantages makes the cost-benefit calculation unfavorable very quickly.

  • @MrDK0010
    @MrDK0010 Před 7 měsíci +5

    SÜDTIROL MENTIONED

  • @APoIIy
    @APoIIy Před 7 měsíci +2

    The issue will not be the Brenner-Tunnel. The issue will probably be Germany and it's unwillingness to built out the Railway infrastructure. There could be already a lot of traffic comming through the Alps via Railway. This is why Switzerland built the Gotthard-Basistunnel which is as of today the longest Tunnel through the Alps. They finished in 2016. It's the same principle; connect the north of Europe with the South. Also the Italians allready have competed their part. But the Germans have not even STARTED to build out their Railway infrastructure to support Railway transportation! Do you know when they planned to do it? In 2041. They have to lay down some freaking iron and can't even manage that while Switzerland dig through the Alps.

    • @danielschwendinger8382
      @danielschwendinger8382 Před 7 měsíci

      As much as I support your input, Germany has partly started, but due to the collapse of the building site near Rastatt due to the soft sandy foundation in the upper rhine plain, it got delayed several years - not mentioning the super slow tracks between Freiburg and Basel….

  • @Ultronize
    @Ultronize Před 7 měsíci +2

    europe must be the global standard. Sustainable Development.

  • @aemi_sa
    @aemi_sa Před 7 měsíci

    i love italy so much! love from germany

  • @thesunsunkwok
    @thesunsunkwok Před 7 měsíci

    Visionary

  • @adambrown209
    @adambrown209 Před 7 měsíci

    once got doner in brenner when waiting for a train

  • @alfaeco15
    @alfaeco15 Před 7 měsíci

    Talk with Czechia , Poland and Baltic republics for an alternative rail corridor....

  • @danielschwendinger8382
    @danielschwendinger8382 Před 7 měsíci +1

    A whole video about a transalpine freight axis without mentioning the existing Gotthard base tunnel in Switzerland (even if it‘s currently unusable due to the recent train accident).

  • @johfc
    @johfc Před 7 měsíci

    With such long timelines for completion, why is there no staging?

  • @Fiyeroification
    @Fiyeroification Před 7 měsíci

    How long until it's finished?

  • @interstellarphred
    @interstellarphred Před 7 měsíci

    A bargain compared to the big dig highway in Boston USA

  • @AFCManUk
    @AFCManUk Před 7 měsíci +3

    Still cheaper than HS2!

    • @HughNeylan
      @HughNeylan Před 7 měsíci

      No expensive London terminus!

  • @geohhoeg8630
    @geohhoeg8630 Před 7 měsíci

    I look forward to watching grainy footage of zombie hordes bypassing the alps with this tunnel one day!

  • @GamerbyDesign
    @GamerbyDesign Před 7 měsíci

    Didn't seem like it had much traffic.

  • @sumit2302
    @sumit2302 Před 7 měsíci

    In india same work is happening in himalyas on two different places USBRL and char dham link project with dozens of tunnels and bridges

  • @mikerock8177
    @mikerock8177 Před 7 měsíci

    For goods people and electrical power

  • @beyondcitylimits
    @beyondcitylimits Před 7 měsíci

    the quickest solution is to use multi trailer trucks like Australia.
    Their standard single truck trailer combined length is allowed to be up to 19m, B-Double up to 26m, type 1 road train up to 36.5m and type 2 road trains up to 53.5m

    • @torbene.3858
      @torbene.3858 Před měsícem

      Try getting these monstrosities around streets with with curbes that are almost U-turns and have a lane width of 3m (=10feet)...😅

  • @purplecouch4767
    @purplecouch4767 Před 7 měsíci

    🎶Secret tunnel through the mountain🎶

  • @olbiomoiros
    @olbiomoiros Před měsícem

    The Balkans really need to develop their railway. It’d also be nice if all EU railway was compatible and connected

  • @keithd5181
    @keithd5181 Před 7 měsíci

    No. They had to stabilise the ground.

  • @Sjalabais
    @Sjalabais Před 7 měsíci

    70 minutes savings - what about loading and unloading on either end? Many of the goods will have the typical "last mile"-issue and more that rail transport always will have.

    • @urbanfile3861
      @urbanfile3861 Před 6 měsíci

      Money saving. Freight trains are cheaper than trucks

  • @AreHan1991
    @AreHan1991 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Amazing how SOMETIMES long term thinking prevails 👏🏽👍🏾

  • @Max_Jacoby
    @Max_Jacoby Před 7 měsíci

    Aren't mountaneous regions seismic unstable?

    • @urbanfile3861
      @urbanfile3861 Před 6 měsíci

      Not by default.
      Anyway tunnels and viaducts are seismic resistant

  • @eoindruid7814
    @eoindruid7814 Před 4 měsíci

    I drove tour coaches on this road. Beautiful road and scenery but not a nice place for a traffic jam

  • @hyperlemongt4890
    @hyperlemongt4890 Před 7 měsíci

    I used the mont blanc tunnel earlier last year. It cost €51 one way for just over 7 miles. Imagine how much they will charge for this one...

    • @adriandunne4382
      @adriandunne4382 Před 7 měsíci +1

      It is a railway tunnel only. A road tunnel 30 kilometres long would have to be restricted to all electric vehicles only, which is not presently economic. The problem with tunnels for vehicles with internal combustion engines is ventilation to avoid users being poisoned by exhaust fumes.

  • @AmerBoyo
    @AmerBoyo Před 7 měsíci

    They dug a shaft right next to a river?!?! That surely can’t end well:/

    • @georgobergfell
      @georgobergfell Před 7 měsíci +1

      Well, it did. They are finished and the shafts are already mostly backfilled

  • @claudeguignard2101
    @claudeguignard2101 Před 7 měsíci

    Le rail oui, la route non.

  • @thebeautifulones5436
    @thebeautifulones5436 Před 7 měsíci

    Hopefully one day all railways and motorways will be in tunnels.

    • @CreatorPolar
      @CreatorPolar Před 7 měsíci

      And why exactly? Why build tunnels everywhere when a large majority of alignments are at grade

  • @marco21274
    @marco21274 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Yes, around Germany they booked new infrastructure but here they have only hysteria. That will cost us dearly.

  • @polyrhythmia
    @polyrhythmia Před 7 měsíci +1

    Compared to the spending on war, it's nothing...

  • @nickkunst952
    @nickkunst952 Před 7 měsíci

    Driver: How much is the toll?
    ???: Yes.

  • @Username-hw6ee
    @Username-hw6ee Před 7 měsíci

    BBT... Big Black Tunnel

  • @soulofamerica
    @soulofamerica Před 7 měsíci

    we need similar tunnels in California and Pennsylvania

  • @SolaceEasy
    @SolaceEasy Před 7 měsíci

    Did I hear the narrator say we have to wait until 2022 for something to be done? Time Warp?

    • @arohaukka4463
      @arohaukka4463 Před 7 měsíci

      2032 is when the base tunnel is suppose to open

  • @rodrigomohr1277
    @rodrigomohr1277 Před 7 měsíci

    The trading purpose of the project is very good. The military part is very negative.

    • @reneschwab170
      @reneschwab170 Před 7 měsíci +5

      The video exaggerates the importance of military aspects in the planning. The economic reasons were far more important.

    • @MrSaemichlaus
      @MrSaemichlaus Před 7 měsíci

      Such a tunnel is pretty useless for military logistics. You can just bomb the entrances and it's done. Maybe it could provide shelter from bombing or nuclear fallout.

    • @rodrigomohr1277
      @rodrigomohr1277 Před 7 měsíci

      Good point.@@MrSaemichlaus

  • @RandyZimmerman-pp5wj
    @RandyZimmerman-pp5wj Před 7 měsíci

    Why not use a tbm sure would reduce the time and eco cost

    • @odl21
      @odl21 Před 7 měsíci

      They do

  • @sauvignonblanc0
    @sauvignonblanc0 Před 7 měsíci +1

    0:46: due to Brexit, Great Britain is no longer included. North Sea-Mediterranean Corridor (in turquoise) is now Ireland-Belgium-Netherlands and Ireland-France.

    • @becconvideo
      @becconvideo Před 7 měsíci

      how would they go to Ireland? Build a tunnel around our under the UK?

    • @petermasschelein6051
      @petermasschelein6051 Před 7 měsíci

      ​​@@becconvideonot by making use of the HS2.

    • @arohaukka4463
      @arohaukka4463 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@becconvideoferry routes are included in TEN-T policy as well

  • @alperenbaser7952
    @alperenbaser7952 Před 7 měsíci +7

    How Eu extend railway to Armenia without crossing Turkey?

    • @AB-zl4nh
      @AB-zl4nh Před 7 měsíci +1

      Turkey is in the EU Custom Union and works with the EU on major projects. It is building high-speed rail too.

    • @ebbeb9827
      @ebbeb9827 Před 7 měsíci +7

      theres a little thing called the black sea. TEN-T also includes water and port infrastructure

    • @alperenbaser7952
      @alperenbaser7952 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@ebbeb9827 wow genius . Armenia is landlocked . Good idea

    • @awellculturedmanofanime1246
      @awellculturedmanofanime1246 Před 7 měsíci +3

      ​@alperenbaser7952 yeah but Georgia is also a european ally so they can help and will most likely benefit themselves 🫰

    • @alperenbaser7952
      @alperenbaser7952 Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@awellculturedmanofanime1246 right . A country occupied by Russia gonna join the Western alliance just like Ukraine

  • @ericcarabetta1161
    @ericcarabetta1161 Před 7 měsíci

    2032?! I’ll be surprised if the earth still exists by that time.

  • @jimmyriddle50
    @jimmyriddle50 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I would have thought that they would restrict them "to driving only at night" not " restricted from driving at night" to avoid congestion during the day when more cars would be using the road?

    • @reneschwab170
      @reneschwab170 Před 7 měsíci +6

      The restrictions were introduced to protect residents from noise at night.

    • @jimmyriddle50
      @jimmyriddle50 Před 7 měsíci

      Ahh of course, thanks! @@reneschwab170

  • @yaush_
    @yaush_ Před 6 měsíci

    I feel like we know that rail is a better way to transport freight than trucks. It’s just way more efficient. In the US for example trucks are mostly used only to get the goods to their final destination. There’s no reason Europe shouldn’t do this too.

  • @gregsutton2400
    @gregsutton2400 Před 7 měsíci

    and more significantly, it was the Brenner pass that the SS flooded through in 1943 to keep Italy from leaving the war when they tried too.

  • @biennui
    @biennui Před 7 měsíci

    I was wondering why WSJ doesn't put this video clip behind its paywall. Why use CZcams???

  • @danroberts67
    @danroberts67 Před 7 měsíci +1

    And still 10% of the cost of HS2 between just outside London and not quite the main station in Birmingham. Just shows how useless the UK is

  • @RonaldTrumpOfficial
    @RonaldTrumpOfficial Před 7 měsíci

    Something HS2 wished to be..

  • @TanyaLairdCivil
    @TanyaLairdCivil Před 7 měsíci

  • @alexanderesslinger4971
    @alexanderesslinger4971 Před 7 měsíci

    Due to famous bavarian NIMBY mentality the German connection routes in the Inn valley will take even longer as until 2032😢

  • @bbishyy
    @bbishyy Před 7 měsíci +6

    her vocal fry is insane

    • @odl21
      @odl21 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Haha. Indeed. Horrible

  • @dshamiljathaddaus1287
    @dshamiljathaddaus1287 Před 7 měsíci +1

    6:12 weird to write all city names in English except the German ones

    • @ianbirge8269
      @ianbirge8269 Před 7 měsíci

      Look again, most of them are spelled the native way until you get to eastern europe (looking at you Warsaw)

    • @dshamiljathaddaus1287
      @dshamiljathaddaus1287 Před 7 měsíci

      Even in the west, most of them aren’t: Lisbon, Turin, Milan, Brussels. And the other ones in the West probably appear as though they’re written in native spelling since their native name coincides with the English one, but not bc someone made an effort to translate them. Just weird

    • @satyakisil9711
      @satyakisil9711 Před 7 měsíci

      Rome and Copenhagen are not in English.

    • @dshamiljathaddaus1287
      @dshamiljathaddaus1287 Před 7 měsíci

      Congrats babe, doesn’t change what I said about the rest tho 😂 like make it uniform. That’s all I’m saying

  • @tyrport
    @tyrport Před 7 měsíci +1

    What happens to all the rock removed?

    • @ChristiaanHW
      @ChristiaanHW Před 7 měsíci +2

      they reuse it somewhere.
      i don't know what type of rock it is but they either reuse it in something like concrete or they use it as some kind of filler. for example in strengthening shorelines.

    • @luigifranceschi2350
      @luigifranceschi2350 Před 7 měsíci

      Partially to make concrete cast used for the vault. The rest disposed of in unused quarries.

    • @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505
      @tic-tacdrin-drinn1505 Před 7 měsíci

      Some of it is used to partially fill a valley in Austria

  • @guerreiro943
    @guerreiro943 Před 7 měsíci

    Projects like these show the amazing things we Europeans can do if we put aside petty nationalistic disputes and just work together. European cooperation is the key for our future peace and economic prosperity.

  • @markgodin3969
    @markgodin3969 Před 7 měsíci

    So they can hide I think they can.