In order to get the monstrous Scylla voice, Jorge duplicated the original recording of the singer's voice 6 times and pitched each note differently to make the insane harmonies more demonic.
I love how Jorge adapted the story in such a masterful way, that even when the characters are making TERRIBLE decisions - like killing the sun god's cattle for example - we can perfectly understand where they're coming from.
I agree that Epic would be incredible animated with a Prince of Egypt like production. I can’t seen anyway that a live action version could truly capture the grandiose feelings of the music and vocals, but you can do so much with a decent animation budget
I mean I can see, like a Les mis, Hamilton level production. Digital technology would help with holograms. It can very well be a live production. I image that the people who play the Gods would also play the ships men and the suitors. Smoke, sound scapes, I've literally scene a christmas Carol play with out of this world hologram technology for the Ghosts. The Cyclops and ruthlessness would be hard. But that's the fun of it.
I would love to see this animated, too! I could see it like Prince of Egypt, Sinbad, Hercules, but I really feel like it should be a series so you can pace out the characters, scenes, music. The whole experience!
do you know where it can be watched now? it doesn't seem to be available on the channel, unless it has been made so in the last 10 or so hours since i checked.
@@thesilvereevee222it's not going to be on Jay's channel. He always takes down the live streams so that it doesn't suck away views from the actual album and the songs themselves. But people have recorded it and uploaded it so you can probably find it by searching.
You should check out the Odyssey again! I read it and it was so good. Penelope is Odysseus' wife and the mother of his son Telemachus. No, Odysseus does not have a daughter. That's where the sirens screwed up. She waited 20 years for him to return. Scylla is a 6 headed monster with 12 feet. Scylla is also attracted to light. When Odysseus told Eurylochus to light up six torches, the men who had the torches got eaten. In one of the animatics that was in the live stream, Eurylochus was actually holding a torch. He passed it to another member of the crew, and that man got eaten instead. EPIC is an amazing musical as well! Jorge really did his stuff with this saga!
Yeah I remember all of those things except for the torch part. I will definitely go back to read the odyssey again right after jorge finishes it with his concept album, of course lol 🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV Yeah, of course. He even made a video telling the members of the EPIC community to read the Odyssey. He's been working on EPIC for about 5 years.
@WolfReactsTV Jorge also took some liberties with some parts of the story. Some liberties were just misconceptions he formed about the Odyssey as a child, and he just found them interesting, so he kept them!
@@ln9256 Right. I believe I remember Scylla and Charibdis being next to each other, but (SPOILER), Jay actually moved Odysseus' confrontation with Charibdis farther into the show. And Charibdis is closer to Ithaca.
I also saw a theory somewhere that the siren’s “daughter” thingy was meant to be a manipulation tactic. They were trying to gaslight Ody into thinking he had a daughter, and that was so ANOTHER siren could transform into someone he loves. They were trying to pull him deeper into a trance, unaware that Ody wasn’t falling for it whatsoever
Have you heard the remastered Troy and Cyclops sagas? Long story short, Jorge had to re-record them because of legal issues with the production company he worked with prior, and the new sagas are all through his company.
@@WolfReactsTV the Troy and Cyclops sagas were remastered and released along with the Thunder saga. The original versions of those sagas made Jorge’s team no money, but the new versions will!
Idk if you noticed this specific part (it’s harder w/o the livestream’s visuals) but Odysseus didn’t just let Scylla eat 6 men, he made Eurylochus hand out 6 torches to make them easy targets, so Eury unknowingly marked 6 friends to die (himself included) after revealing his guilt over the wind bag. All that and it’s crazy how he still considered Ody a friend after their fight, makes that ending sadder
Oh wow. I didn't even know that? Wasn't that in the regular odyssey story? Having read that in so long. But yeah, you can tell he was so apologetic cause he knew of his wrongdoings. But, sometimes sacrifices must be made. 🐺🐺
Not only that, you can hear the screams of all six men as they get eaten. You can hear the exact moment they die. And with the animatic that was made, this comment I saw has so much more meaning. The first 3 lines she sings are her speaking to the 6 men she’s eating, while the last three lines are her cursing Odysseus to live his life knowing that he became a monster just like her
This reaction was awesome!! I love how your knowledge of mythology helps you appreciate the storytelling and your passion for music is obvious as you appreciate Jorge’s musical genuis. There are actually 3 more sagas planned! I can’t wait to see your reactions to them all 🔥
I honestly love the narrative choice Jorge went with in Thunder Bringer. In The Odyssey, Zeus just killed the crew as they were the ones who ate Helio’s cattle, but spared Odysseus as he was the only one who hadn’t. In EPIC, Jorge made it so that Odysseus had to choose between the lives of his men or himself. The fact he chose to save himself really shows how desperate Odysseus is to get home. So much so that he sacrifices the lives of his men! Ahh, it’s so good! Jorge is a genius!!
It also presents the question to the listener: if you could pay the price for someone else’s crime so they could walk away in exchange for your life or freedom, would you?
Ive been binging a bunch of thunder sagas reactions recently since my attention span has been too wack to listen to music normally; ur very charming + fun video! Not only is it nice that you already have prior knowledge on greek mythology but you are also very appreciative of art, and provide quality commentary that draws attention to details i haven’t noticed before.
I mean, it was either take Scylla and lose just six guys, or risk the whirlpool Charybdis that would have killed them all. The lesson of the lesser of two evils.
Yeah but that's not in this person, the musical is a loose retelling of the Odessy that is not fully accurate. Most of the changes are in the service of adding to the theme of ruthlessness that weren't really in the odessy. It also adds a lot of internal monolouge to oddisious. (Sorry for butchering the spelling in this)
If you want an idea of what an Epic: the Anime would look like, absolutely check out animatics for each of the songs. They're fan-made animations and many are very good!
3 more sagas to go. It's planned to have 9 sagas in total with 40 songs, 5 sagas in Act 1 and 4 in Act 2. If I had to guess we'll be getting a saga dedicated to Telemichus to better flesh out Oddy's son before the whole finale
Yo! I just realized something I haven’t seen in comments yet! Ody is stabbed in the back by one of his men, remember all the way back to the Horse and the Infant, Ody has a vision of being stabbed in the back and what is said next?? Zeus comes in and says “A vision, OF WHAT IS TO COME. Cannot be outrun.” And before that when he was stabbed and he asks “who was that?” Because he never saw who it was, meaning he didn’t know he would be betrayed! Even all the way back to the very first song we were told about this happening!!!
A crazy thing that people don't really realize a whole lot between Ody and Eurelocus are that they're brother-in-laws... Odysseus literally had to kill his brother-in-law and all of his friends
In fairness, this incident was on them when Odysseus BEGGED them not to hurt the cows. Also, let’s face it, they wouldn’t have lasted a week without him
Yup! It’s inspired by his real life, as it’s about a pre-med student who drops out of Med School to become a singer/songwriter-writer against his father’s wishes. It was inspired by Jorge’s own experiences.
eu amo como ela diz "It's through the lair of scylla" no mesmo ritmo de "this is the will of the gods" em the horse and the infant não sei se significa algo, mas chamou minha atenção
The robotic and like overlapping voices sound of scylla is also caused by her having 6 heads that sing this together I guess. I love this musical so much. This whole thing is just built different 😲🙂↕️
I’d like to point something out: at least some of the crew was complicit in Eury opening the bag since some of the men had to be manning the ship at the time, which would mean they’d have to have seen him opening it, yet no one told Odysseus who was responsible
There’s an animatic playlist I created you can use it to watch the sagas animated I even have all sagas from the live stream on there you can enjoy it that way
to see that ur a fan of the odyssey going into this is so cool!! other reactors i've seen haven't read it & have no knowledge on the story!! i'll admit that i haven't read it yet but i plan to!!
This would be so cool with Blood of Zeus/Castlevania style animation but set to this story and musical numbers would be the most, dare I say "Epic", type of show to watch. I know he wants this as a stage play, and I could definitely image it as one, but to ensure all the smaller nuances these songs show, it would be better served animated.
We got three more sagas, so 15 songs left! The next sagas are called: The Wisdom Saga (songs 26-30) The Vengeance Saga (songs 31-35) The Ithaca Saga (songs 36-40)
You bringing up disney hercules physically hurt me becase they made a movie with all the greek gods (zeus hera ares hades hermes etc.) and then made the main character Roman (hercules greek version heracles) like i get that disney was talking some ............ creative liberties with greek mythology(hades being evil combining the gray sisters and the fates pain and panick (deimos and phobos areses sons fear and panick who accompany ares on the battle field or are completely made up for this movie????) Hera being herculeses mom and a kind one at that to name a few) but like come on guys are your gods of love venus (greek aphroditie) and cupid (greek eros)? Can we maybe find bellona (roman goddess with no greek counter part) in the background somewhere?
Scylla is the child of Hecate and either Apollo or phorkys a six headed monster with most of her heads looking similar to wolves and if I remember correctly sister of Charybdis
while i love the story direction of him becoming a monster, i reeeally wish we got original siren story. ⬇️ Oddy REALLY wanted to hear their song, but the crew is like “uh, can we not?” and did the whole beeswax thing. EXCEPT. Oddy agreed to be tied to the mast without beeswax to hear their song without, you know, dying.
Wow wow I wouldn’t say that we have to learn that we need to make sacrifices… I think we can learn from Odysseus mistakes and experiences bc he definitely fucked up here, why didn’t he take 6 sirens alive and sacrificed them?!? Or tell the men you all fucked us up when you open the bag now chose 6 among yourselves but noooo (Poseidon’s tone here 😂) he had to make the most ruthless and selfish decision
Maybe because scylla and the sirens know each other. She could tell human blood from a siren. Plus the crew fucked up when he used the wind bag and slain the cows. Odysseus is in the right. They doomed themselves
@@ThatChillGuyJay well unless that is confirmed I maintain he had options, he was wrong selling the men to Scylla in such a scummy way but he was 100% on the right to chose himself with Zeus like of course he is not going to pay for the crime his men committed. I love that complexity, for me the men were right to mutiny bc they could no longer trust him, they know now they are expendable to Odysseus as long as he survives and gets home but then Odysseus is totally on the right to tell Zeus to kill them bc he beg them not to do it (kill the cows) so they of course have to pay the consequences but yeah 2 things can be true at the same time imo
In order to get the monstrous Scylla voice, Jorge duplicated the original recording of the singer's voice 6 times and pitched each note differently to make the insane harmonies more demonic.
I didn't know that, but litening back i can hear six voices singing😊
The fact that Scylla has six snake heads, that means each voice comes from her heads and her herself
Very fitting considering she have 6 heads
OMGGGGGG THE LAYERS OF CREATIVITY IS CRAZYYYY LOVE THIS
I love how Jorge adapted the story in such a masterful way, that even when the characters are making TERRIBLE decisions - like killing the sun god's cattle for example - we can perfectly understand where they're coming from.
Exactly!!!! It's a real art ! 🐺🐺
My favorite reaction. Love seeing someone invested in not just the music, but the actual mythology too!
I really appreciate that!!! Yeah it's a perfect blend! 🐺🐺🐺
Bro's face when he heard zeus's lyrics rly went 😁 --->😟
Understandable. Zeus was legit singing abt assaulting a damsel who is in distress because of him
@@emerson4140 how does 'Pride is a damsel in distress' refer to an actual person?
How can you assult a sin?
Honestly,me to. The song is catchy as hell but the lyrics are a bit… yeah 😅
I agree that Epic would be incredible animated with a Prince of Egypt like production.
I can’t seen anyway that a live action version could truly capture the grandiose feelings of the music and vocals, but you can do so much with a decent animation budget
I mean I can see, like a Les mis, Hamilton level production. Digital technology would help with holograms. It can very well be a live production. I image that the people who play the Gods would also play the ships men and the suitors. Smoke, sound scapes, I've literally scene a christmas Carol play with out of this world hologram technology for the Ghosts. The Cyclops and ruthlessness would be hard. But that's the fun of it.
@@connorbingham4764 I want a stage show AND an animated film so bad
Nah fr, Prince of Egypt style would fit so well. Especially since all the songs are amazing!!
bro is absolutely bopping to those sirens dying
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🐺
Sirens: screaming in pain and terror
Every other person: this shit is a bop!
I love how Ody finnessed those sirens 😂😂😂
Factsss!!! Way too smooth! 🐺🐺
I would love to see this animated, too! I could see it like Prince of Egypt, Sinbad, Hercules, but I really feel like it should be a series so you can pace out the characters, scenes, music. The whole experience!
Scyllia's song is my favorite one so far and if you listen closely you can hear the screams of the 6 men getting hunted and killed
Watch the Thunder saga livestream release, the animation for Scylla alone makes it worth
I just seen that! Too dope! 🐺🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV Would love a video of you reacting to it!
do you know where it can be watched now? it doesn't seem to be available on the channel, unless it has been made so in the last 10 or so hours since i checked.
@@thesilvereevee222i'm pretty sure jay took it down :(
@@thesilvereevee222it's not going to be on Jay's channel. He always takes down the live streams so that it doesn't suck away views from the actual album and the songs themselves. But people have recorded it and uploaded it so you can probably find it by searching.
Oh my those tabs are a war crime
You should check out the Odyssey again! I read it and it was so good. Penelope is Odysseus' wife and the mother of his son Telemachus. No, Odysseus does not have a daughter. That's where the sirens screwed up. She waited 20 years for him to return. Scylla is a 6 headed monster with 12 feet. Scylla is also attracted to light. When Odysseus told Eurylochus to light up six torches, the men who had the torches got eaten. In one of the animatics that was in the live stream, Eurylochus was actually holding a torch. He passed it to another member of the crew, and that man got eaten instead. EPIC is an amazing musical as well! Jorge really did his stuff with this saga!
Yeah I remember all of those things except for the torch part. I will definitely go back to read the odyssey again right after jorge finishes it with his concept album, of course lol 🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV Yeah, of course. He even made a video telling the members of the EPIC community to read the Odyssey. He's been working on EPIC for about 5 years.
@WolfReactsTV Jorge also took some liberties with some parts of the story. Some liberties were just misconceptions he formed about the Odyssey as a child, and he just found them interesting, so he kept them!
@@ln9256 Right. I believe I remember Scylla and Charibdis being next to each other, but (SPOILER), Jay actually moved Odysseus' confrontation with Charibdis farther into the show. And Charibdis is closer to Ithaca.
I also saw a theory somewhere that the siren’s “daughter” thingy was meant to be a manipulation tactic. They were trying to gaslight Ody into thinking he had a daughter, and that was so ANOTHER siren could transform into someone he loves. They were trying to pull him deeper into a trance, unaware that Ody wasn’t falling for it whatsoever
Have you heard the remastered Troy and Cyclops sagas? Long story short, Jorge had to re-record them because of legal issues with the production company he worked with prior, and the new sagas are all through his company.
Yup! I was told about him less than one month ago. That's when I went through all of his EPIC projects. 🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV the Troy and Cyclops sagas were remastered and released along with the Thunder saga. The original versions of those sagas made Jorge’s team no money, but the new versions will!
Idk if you noticed this specific part (it’s harder w/o the livestream’s visuals) but Odysseus didn’t just let Scylla eat 6 men, he made Eurylochus hand out 6 torches to make them easy targets, so Eury unknowingly marked 6 friends to die (himself included) after revealing his guilt over the wind bag. All that and it’s crazy how he still considered Ody a friend after their fight, makes that ending sadder
Oh wow. I didn't even know that? Wasn't that in the regular odyssey story? Having read that in so long. But yeah, you can tell he was so apologetic cause he knew of his wrongdoings. But, sometimes sacrifices must be made. 🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV in the original story the men just got eaten
Not just friends, apparently Eurylochus is married to Odysseus’s little sister. 😢
@@ShyyGaladrielyup! His brother-in-law!
Not only that, you can hear the screams of all six men as they get eaten. You can hear the exact moment they die.
And with the animatic that was made, this comment I saw has so much more meaning.
The first 3 lines she sings are her speaking to the 6 men she’s eating, while the last three lines are her cursing Odysseus to live his life knowing that he became a monster just like her
This reaction was awesome!! I love how your knowledge of mythology helps you appreciate the storytelling and your passion for music is obvious as you appreciate Jorge’s musical genuis. There are actually 3 more sagas planned! I can’t wait to see your reactions to them all 🔥
I honestly love the narrative choice Jorge went with in Thunder Bringer. In The Odyssey, Zeus just killed the crew as they were the ones who ate Helio’s cattle, but spared Odysseus as he was the only one who hadn’t.
In EPIC, Jorge made it so that Odysseus had to choose between the lives of his men or himself. The fact he chose to save himself really shows how desperate Odysseus is to get home. So much so that he sacrifices the lives of his men!
Ahh, it’s so good! Jorge is a genius!!
I think Zeus gave him the choice because of that reason as well
It also presents the question to the listener: if you could pay the price for someone else’s crime so they could walk away in exchange for your life or freedom, would you?
Ive been binging a bunch of thunder sagas reactions recently since my attention span has been too wack to listen to music normally; ur very charming + fun video! Not only is it nice that you already have prior knowledge on greek mythology but you are also very appreciative of art, and provide quality commentary that draws attention to details i haven’t noticed before.
Honestly ive hyperfixated on Epic so much I physically need to know others reactions after reacting to it myself almost 13 times :,D
@@Zuzu1684honestly same! Love seeing other people’s reactions to this masterpiece!
@@MildlyPerturbed right!!!
I mean, it was either take Scylla and lose just six guys, or risk the whirlpool Charybdis that would have killed them all. The lesson of the lesser of two evils.
This is actually very true! But you know, problems will always arise even in the best situations 🐺🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTVtbf, be also couldve just even honest with the crew to begin with
Yeah but that's not in this person, the musical is a loose retelling of the Odessy that is not fully accurate. Most of the changes are in the service of adding to the theme of ruthlessness that weren't really in the odessy. It also adds a lot of internal monolouge to oddisious. (Sorry for butchering the spelling in this)
I believe this acts main tone under it all is suffering, and I’m pretty sure that’s why the first song for the act is called suffering
@@BiTreeFrog well the siren literally told him this was his only option
1:10 - Suffering
6:55 - Different Beast
14:37 - Scylla
18:35 - Mutiny
28:35 - Thunder Bringer
I appreciate that! Real Love! 🐺🐺
"Thunder, bring, her"
"Thunderbringer"
Idk why I really like that play on words
If you want an idea of what an Epic: the Anime would look like, absolutely check out animatics for each of the songs. They're fan-made animations and many are very good!
3 more sagas to go. It's planned to have 9 sagas in total with 40 songs, 5 sagas in Act 1 and 4 in Act 2.
If I had to guess we'll be getting a saga dedicated to Telemichus to better flesh out Oddy's son before the whole finale
Yup, the next saga is going to have a few Telemachus’ songs. I believe the first song of the next saga is about him.
Yo! I just realized something I haven’t seen in comments yet!
Ody is stabbed in the back by one of his men, remember all the way back to the Horse and the Infant, Ody has a vision of being stabbed in the back and what is said next?? Zeus comes in and says “A vision, OF WHAT IS TO COME. Cannot be outrun.” And before that when he was stabbed and he asks “who was that?” Because he never saw who it was, meaning he didn’t know he would be betrayed! Even all the way back to the very first song we were told about this happening!!!
A crazy thing that people don't really realize a whole lot between Ody and Eurelocus are that they're brother-in-laws... Odysseus literally had to kill his brother-in-law and all of his friends
I didn't even know that! 🐺
In fairness, this incident was on them when Odysseus BEGGED them not to hurt the cows. Also, let’s face it, they wouldn’t have lasted a week without him
Nice to see another Epic fan!! This saga is GREAT!!
The way when they’re facing Scylla you can hear the screams of the six men who were sacrificed to Scylla
Yup. Love it 😈 lol 🐺🐺
I legit cried during Mutiny.
FR AND THUNDER BRINGER
They just keep getting better and better
He has another musical released before EPIC! Called My Heart Says Go I believe?
Yup! It’s inspired by his real life, as it’s about a pre-med student who drops out of Med School to become a singer/songwriter-writer against his father’s wishes. It was inspired by Jorge’s own experiences.
eu amo como ela diz "It's through the lair of scylla" no mesmo ritmo de "this is the will of the gods" em the horse and the infant
não sei se significa algo, mas chamou minha atenção
You should really rewatch the whole saga and react to it with the animatics!! The fan animatics are SO good
The robotic and like overlapping voices sound of scylla is also caused by her having 6 heads that sing this together I guess.
I love this musical so much. This whole thing is just built different 😲🙂↕️
So many bars in these songs
Facts!! 🐺🐺
I just realized that there’s no strings when she “talks” to Odysseus as she’s represented by strings…stupid me 😂
I’d like to point something out: at least some of the crew was complicit in Eury opening the bag since some of the men had to be manning the ship at the time, which would mean they’d have to have seen him opening it, yet no one told Odysseus who was responsible
Good news! We have 3 more Sagas! We knew this was going to be 9 from the jump, so get ready for three more banger album drops!
Yessss!!!! It's going to be lit!! 🐺🐺
If you go to Jorge Rivera shorts what show is talking about all of the different saugus the longest one is going to be the next one the wisdom saga
Subscribed for more EPIC! Loved your reaction!
There’s an animatic playlist I created you can use it to watch the sagas animated I even have all sagas from the live stream on there you can enjoy it that way
There’s 3 sagas left
They are working on a video game for this
I love seeing appreciation for both the music and the myth and yesss god this is great!
I love that jorge took into account that zeus is also considered a god of judgement for thunder bringer
to see that ur a fan of the odyssey going into this is so cool!! other reactors i've seen haven't read it & have no knowledge on the story!! i'll admit that i haven't read it yet but i plan to!!
I was not looking at the tabs till you mentioned it, All I can say is, WHY?
🤣🤣🤣😅😅 working on a book so you know...many research lmaoo 🤣🤣🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV oh, cool!
This would be so cool with Blood of Zeus/Castlevania style animation but set to this story and musical numbers would be the most, dare I say "Epic", type of show to watch.
I know he wants this as a stage play, and I could definitely image it as one, but to ensure all the smaller nuances these songs show, it would be better served animated.
We got three more sagas, so 15 songs left! The next sagas are called:
The Wisdom Saga (songs 26-30)
The Vengeance Saga (songs 31-35)
The Ithaca Saga (songs 36-40)
Omggggggg can't wait foreal! 🐺🐺🐺
You bringing up disney hercules physically hurt me becase they made a movie with all the greek gods (zeus hera ares hades hermes etc.) and then made the main character Roman (hercules greek version heracles) like i get that disney was talking some ............ creative liberties with greek mythology(hades being evil combining the gray sisters and the fates pain and panick (deimos and phobos areses sons fear and panick who accompany ares on the battle field or are completely made up for this movie????) Hera being herculeses mom and a kind one at that to name a few) but like come on guys are your gods of love venus (greek aphroditie) and cupid (greek eros)? Can we maybe find bellona (roman goddess with no greek counter part) in the background somewhere?
Most of god of war is actually greek, its only the recent 2 games thats norse
Scylla is the child of Hecate and either Apollo or phorkys a six headed monster with most of her heads looking similar to wolves and if I remember correctly sister of Charybdis
while i love the story direction of him becoming a monster, i reeeally wish we got original siren story. ⬇️
Oddy REALLY wanted to hear their song, but the crew is like “uh, can we not?” and did the whole beeswax thing. EXCEPT. Oddy agreed to be tied to the mast without beeswax to hear their song without, you know, dying.
There are still 15 songs that need to be released. So 3 more sagas probably.
You: *haven’t read the Odyssey since high school*
Me: I relate
He coulda used the sirens as Scylla's meals but he feelin revengy teehee
CZcams has adds 😂😂
Have you listened to "My heart says go"? Give it a listen
A tab hoarder on chrome is crazy
I know I know 😅 it's sick lol 🐺🐺
You must listen to his other songs they got some raps in it all the rapping of circe
I’m fairly certain he already as, I think he just watched them off screen
Do yourself and us a favour and please cut the ads, Google doesn't need free ad revenue as is
Why do all your replies have 🐺🐺 at the end
🙃🙃 cause.... that's my signature homie lol.... (here you go) 🤣🐺🐺
@@WolfReactsTV I realized the name right after I wrote the comment lol
Wow wow I wouldn’t say that we have to learn that we need to make sacrifices… I think we can learn from Odysseus mistakes and experiences bc he definitely fucked up here, why didn’t he take 6 sirens alive and sacrificed them?!? Or tell the men you all fucked us up when you open the bag now chose 6 among yourselves but noooo (Poseidon’s tone here 😂) he had to make the most ruthless and selfish decision
Maybe because scylla and the sirens know each other. She could tell human blood from a siren. Plus the crew fucked up when he used the wind bag and slain the cows. Odysseus is in the right. They doomed themselves
@@ThatChillGuyJay well unless that is confirmed I maintain he had options, he was wrong selling the men to Scylla in such a scummy way but he was 100% on the right to chose himself with Zeus like of course he is not going to pay for the crime his men committed.
I love that complexity, for me the men were right to mutiny bc they could no longer trust him, they know now they are expendable to Odysseus as long as he survives and gets home but then Odysseus is totally on the right to tell Zeus to kill them bc he beg them not to do it (kill the cows) so they of course have to pay the consequences but yeah 2 things can be true at the same time imo
@JBU27 I'm just saying if they didn't use the wind bag, they could've zoomed outta there, and then he wouldn't have to sacrifice them.
Did he just say god of war isn’t Greek mythology?
He might be thinking of 2018 and Ragnarok since those are norse mythology 😭
@@hanaeve__ doesn’t change the fact that Kratos is still Greek
@@flyingstormboyz3479 Ik, I’m talking about the games in general
@@hanaeve__ 7 out of the 9 games are Greek mythology
@@flyingstormboyz3479 I’m clearly talking about the 2 that aren’t, good lord 💀
"That was ten years ago" 🧍
Anyway I love EPIC pulling fans from across all sorts of genres. Welcome to the club, my brother. ❤
Might have been "15 years" for me exactly now that I'm thinking about it 😅 lol yeah this was amazing.
Appreciate you! 🐺🐺🐺