Err,are you really trying to sound like the extras in the Life of Brian??? Follow the gourd! :-) Given that there are no limits to how much can be understood,no limits to consciousness,"truth" is a very relative term and the best we will ever have are newer,better (less erroneous) theories that move us away from ignorance towards greater understanding. There is no end point.No final truth.No matter what you are told or believe. The growth that comes from the process of seeking wisdom is all we can ever acquire and the act of selflessly sharing our ideas and theories as we follow that path is the noblest of acts .
Looks to me like an example of the opposite. The guy literally went insane because people ostracized him. The story here is how much damage looking for validation can do both when it's found and when it's not found. In other words how much we rely on reciprocally confirming each others' biases in order to maintain our sanity. The group was looking for a reason that what they were doing before wasn't wrong and an excuse to not change their routine, and the other guy was doing the same. Main difference being: they could validate one another more than limited statistical inference could validate him, so they stayed sane and he was slowly forced into insanity. What was wrong here wasn't following the tribe but looking for validation for pride and laziness within the tribe from a position of social esteem. Social esteem, respect, being loved and all these things make seeking validation hardly ever justifiable, especially outside of desperation and within a shared space. It has a name seeking validation when done by people who aren't desperate for it from within a shared context(for example a collegue seeking validation from his wife is different than a collegue seeking validation from his wife who is also a collegue). The name ranges from bullying, oppression and encitement, depending on context, even when done artfully enough that nobody can accuse you of it. If you sought validation in a shared space, you were bullying, oppressing and enciting. That's the issue, not the fact that they followed the tribe and not TRUTH, which doesn't actually describe how they would have needed as people to act differently in practice from their own positions: less stroking of feathers and a lot more silence.
@federicopettinicchio He went insane because women were dying and his colleages refused to let him save them. He was watching murder happen in front of his eyes, and he was being forced to stay silent about it.
@@AtarahDerek That's not murder, no matter how you slice it, no amount of correlation can prove causation. That's unaltered natural selection, I get his suffering, I do, heck I share it to some extent and it's quite literally Hell on Earth when it comes about. I have a diagnosis for Schizophrenia so I am not speaking out of my ass. I am not trying to belittle that suffering one iota but it's not by subtly implying that he couldn't save them, which is realistically what drove him insane, that you change things. If people washed their hands maybe less would have died but can you promise that the ones who would have died would have been a strict subsection of those who died? No, you cannot and, in fact, it is highly unlikely. Then I decide to think that the ones who died that could have been saved and the ones who suffered who wouldn't have suffered, or were robbed of joys that did not materialize, gave their lives for those that unbeknownst to them benefitted, rather than see their sacrifice as meaningless and the lives of those who survived and had moments of joy through no fault of their own as stolen. I prefer to see them as heroes in their own times as well, not just martyrs and pioneers.
I feel so bad for him… like he just genuinely wanted to help/save infants and mothers but in the end he died suffering…. Everyone think of him as a crazy “hand washing maniac man”…. He didn’t deserved that
It's not that they didn't want to wash their hands, it was because it implied they had been the cause of all those deaths and they didn't want to admit that.
I went to the old AK (Allgemeines Krankenhaus - General Hospital) there our tour guide told us, that the doctors just didn’t touch them as much as the midwives so the doctors didn’t get as dirty as the midwives. Consequently the doctors didn’t wash them self. But the midwives didn’t this. The midwives just got more dirty so they wanted to wash them selves.
@@izzyzle You seems to ignore the fact that the doctor that actually try to prevent dead and proceed to highlight the bad side of the other doctors. Women☕☕☕
They were literally accused of aciental murrder, so it can pottentaly endanger their lives from revengfull family members or their careers. Then theres that most doctors swear to do no harm, so logically or emotionally they don't want to believe that.
It was an egoic issue for Austrian doctors to accept from a Hungarian doctor in Vienna that he claimed the 'decomposing material' (at that time they did not yet know these were bacteria) was transmitted through his medical colleagues and he prescribed chlorinated handwashing for his colleagues. The medical university in Budapest bears his name: Semmelweis University
I don t think that there is a national issue in this case. After all he was an ethnic German. His last name Semmelweis can be translated to white of a bun/roll. Semmel (austrian/bavarian) = bun/roll, weis=weiß = white. He had made a great discovery but besides the egos of the doctors his art of argumentation was not really helpful. He wrote letters to his peers calling them murderers...
Yes defenetly egotic issue! Just imagine how stupid the doctors felt when they realised this basic hygienic thing… like come on dirty hands spread diseases! Even in medieval time this was the problem of most of the illnesses (lack of basic hygiene)
Yes and it could be argued that Micrografia (Robert Hooke,England,1665) was one of the most important books ever published as it pulled the wool from our eyes as it were.
Former ICU Murse here. Remember this man and others when someone tells you to blindly "Trust the Experts". The history of medicine is filled with revolutionary crazy geniuses that stood in the way of the prevailing experts' thought and they suffered for it. Semmelweis argubly got it the worst. Some argue him being beaten to death by the orderalies in the asylum was set up to happen. The reason being because at the time it was fashion among doctors to be dirty af and have dirty af workplaces: it "demonstrated experience" (especially having an apron with decades of biohazard filth). Also, commercial handsoap and lotion was readily available so soap was pretty mildly caustic. Having a dude yell at you 100s of times a day to stay clean in between medical endeavors and chemically burning the shit out of your hands would infuriate anybody. It wouldn't be until 1889 with Dr. Halstad that the idea of gloves would be used. FFS, the Medicine Field is what popularized the concept "Second Opinion". Always do a little bit of your own personal research; especially if you're in the hospital - you're part of your own healthcare team.
I’m glad this story is being told. The problem is the lessons seemingly gleaned from Semmelweis’s life, are actively being lost. The current state of public health, public health policy, protocols, and attitudes about hygiene, sanitation and PPE (e.g. respirators) is dire and deteriorating both in medicine and the general public. And the issue of institutionalization and ostracism for those who support the above or are concerned about disease control, community care, community responsibility, protection and standard of care and safety in medical and community settings is happening today.
“No, using natural compounds for medicine is literally witchcraft! Take our synthetic drugs that cost you 10000% more than the production cost and will be inevitably exposed for causing loads of unforeseen complications in the future!” Those who hold the money control what’s accepted in society at large. It will be the reality of the industry until all of this corruption pops the bubble and the top men are fighting each other for the last scraps of food in their doomsday bunkers.
Cool, it looks like CZcams immediately deleted my comment regarding how the medical community rejects nearly all alternative and natural medicine in favor of profit despite the drug industry always getting exposed for terrible side effects and price gauging. Hopefully this one won’t get deleted so CZcams’s sponsors can man up and take getting offended. :-D (Oh no! I cost them a few Pennie’s! It’s the end of science itself!!!!)
Wrong. The scientific method changed drastically. Scrutinising ones kollegues, reading end reproducing their experiments literally gives one fame, fortune and respect among the scientific community
Reminds of Alfred Wegener. He was the first to propose the continental drift theory. His peers ridiculed him, and it wasn't until long after he died that the theory was accepted.
It's true that world-changing discoveries face opposition from the establishment. Unfortunately, this encourages people to hold all sorts of nonsense, and to face criticism and opposition as if it were the case of a revealed truth that will be widely accepted in some future (but that future doesn't exist).
What a sad story, he was a huge asset but was misunderstood & rejected by the cult we still face today in this modern time🤔 Thanks for sharing, keep up the Great work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I'd bring him to the 1970s before he was admitted to the asylum. See how he changed the medical world. Survive all his abusers and naysayers. And finally live a peaceful life.
a sane man dies because of the insanity of others who knew they were killing other people by just not washing their hands. or at least letting a midwife operate the birth. he should have conducted another study on the sanity of those who study medicine at that time (and at this time)... wow wow wow he was going to find wonders ...
This is the truth of Science. In a lot of ways it can just as dogmatic, if not more so, than any ideology. Science is supposed the pursuit of truth, not matter what may come. Often times many scientists see themselves as the arbiters of truth, not it's seekers. We need more people like semmelweis. People willing to stand on business and actually care for and treat their patients. Not line their pockets at our expense.
Have known of his story for a long time. He is my medical hero.❤ Have to wonder how many of us exist because medical personnel started washing their hands.
It's sad his story wasn't discussed much in detail during my first year in nursing school. Nevertheless, his contribution continued to save lives, in the simplest way possible. Handwashing.
They did not have modern soaps and disinfectants so washing your hands multiple times each day in the solutions available at that time took some time and could often lead to dry irritated skin.
@@falconeshield It certainly contributed to their dislike of the theory if you had to have irritated, dry itchy skin on both hands. Remember they could not just use modern moisturizer’s and could only use oils that would gather dirt and/or leave stains on everything you touched. ( not to mention you would need more caustic solutions to remove the oil, a vicious cycle ). It’s important not to judge people in the past by today’s standards, knowledge and technology.
@@imopman finally someone points that out. Yes ego likely played a bit of a role but no, it was not all of it. It is deeply irresponsible to judge people of history, or even recent generations, by what is now known. It completely removes that they just didn't know or that the situation was very different at the time. The amount of individual knowledge and context lost well outweighs whats been recorded and we need to keep that in mind. Ive heard we cant even read old blueprints for aircraft because the fundamental assumptions of what is common knowledge has changed so dramatically.
I have an inkling that this story, one about intelligent people who refused to consider observable facts in favor of theories, is quite likely to inspire... stupid people who refuse to consider observable facts in favor of conspiracy theories :P. You know: they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Let us see, do we find the same attitudes in today's medical community? You betcha! More driven by greed these days. "That can't be right. I might lose part of my revenue stream!"
Challenging the academics in the medical community is a difficult task but not an impossible one. For outsiders many things that happen in the medical community might feel and be seen as rigid but the truth is that hundreds of studies in multiple languages are being published every month that challenge and forward the medical knowledge on a global scale. The issue comes when said knowledge is implemented into a health policy or try to fit into a health system. As stubborn as some medical doctors might look, the public must understand that this career is a mix of art, experience and knowledge which is why some resist change but when the evidence is overwhelming even the most stubborn will accept and apply it. Biggest example that comes to mind is the discovery of H. Pylori and its correlation with Inflammation of the stomach lining and gastric ulcers. The pathologists knew the bacteria was in the stomach but no one ever made that connection until 2 Australian mad doctors decided to test the theory on themselves and sent shockwaves through all the medical community with their discovery.
and this is an excellent example of experts not knowing what's best and resorting to group-think; that needs to be taught along with the history of covid-19 [cause I think they are very similar in how actual doctors were censored online for being against the prevailing theory of the time]... also it might not have just been about them not wanting to wash hands.... but as you stated... his social status as a commoner trying to tell them what to do. then *they* could discover it after his death. Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
Good ideas are separated from bad ideas by whether they stand the test of time. Unfortunately, that particular test can take a generation or two to grade.
Yes defenetly egotic issue! Just imagine how stupid the doctors felt when they realised this basic hygienic thing… like come on dirty hands spread diseases! And well educated people didn’t do this basic hygiene action! Even in medieval time this was the problem of most of the illnesses (lack of basic hygiene)
Yes, but that doesn't mean they knew what germs were. The whole concept of untouchability exists because of this. Imagine some leather work finishes his day's work, and goes to drink from the temple well without washing his hands. Shortly after, a bunch of people fall ill or die. They concluded that so ehow the leather worker was "impure" or "tainted" or that God was punishing them. While yes, Hinduism has a much more refined sense of purity, a lot of it used to be based on outdated concepts like "miasma". Like how if someone dies in your family, you can't eat food outside for 13 days. It was probably to avoid transmission from any bacteria caused by handling the body, but they didn't know that. For them, they thought the individuals had been "tainted" by some kind of energy that caused illness to others. Or how menstruating women weren't allowed out of the house. They were probably more susceptible to disease but no one knew exactly how or why, and they figured out that they were more likely to be safe if they just stayed indoors. Proto science is respectable, but still proto science. It's based on a observation of cause and effect rather than actual understanding. Still, the priests must be credited for paying attention. Similar.to.plague masks in Europe. They thought the smell was the thing causing the disease, but wearing a mask probably kept the bacteria out anyway.
I think a strong regulation would solve the issue regarding cience innovation. That means, if a method is tested and proved to be efficient, then it should be registered and applied. The human progress cannot be jeopardized because of some stubborn old people that are too arrogant and ignorant to do their job better.
The saddest part about this story is that he's not the first and will not be the last enlightened person to be made a pariah just for discovering the truth.
Who are you in the field? The answer is that it depends on the field and the change in paradigm. In some cases new ideas are embraced quickly while others face strong challenges. There is no one formula.
This guy was the genius that it was time he proved that wash your hands for better for better Mental Health and wonderful better health for the doctors but sadly his idea was everything seriously
He received resistance from his peers, also good doctors, because he was stating that they were the direct cause of their new-mothers birthing-bed syndrome.
When I worked in a Museum for medical history and did regular guided tours I talked about Semmelweis a lot, when adressing the history of reproductive health for women. Birth and womens health was in the hands of midwifes for centuries, and then in the 18- 19th century the male-dominated medical faculties decided to make it a "proper" medical field without much considering the experience that the women had who actually carried out this profession for years. This lead to great mistreatment and experimentation , especially on poor women, who had nowhere to go but public Hospital for delivery, especially when they carried pregnancies out of wedlock. The mortality rate of women and children was horendous during the beginning of the institutionization of womens medicine. Of course this got better over time but we still have a long way to go regarding womens health concerns and Research. Semmelweis Was a good doctor who took his Mission to Help his patients seriously. We can only hope for more physicians like him for the history to come
2:50 "...because its opponents eventually die," As long as it's true, that only death of "some" can "helps" spread the new ideas, I don't think it's appropriate explore and desire immortality. The evolution of ideas would stop. Imagine if our tree-dwelling ancestors were immortal... I think that the behavior of Dr. Semmelweis colleagues correlates very well with the contents of these videos: Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity czcams.com/video/ww47bR86wSc/video.html Cipolla’s 5 Laws of Human Stupidity czcams.com/video/TGr8bMTSD4s/video.html its sad.
The only thing wrong about this video is that he did not discover germs or invent washing hands or whatever it was that you said. Scientists and doctors already had such practices for hundreds of years from Baghdad to Nanjing. However, the man was a hero who did introduce these ideas to his own people and times, and suffered greatly for it.
Wow, how disgusting were people back then? "Hey fellow doctors! Let's try washing our hands after we're done performing autopsies before we deliver babies." 🌵*"NOOOOOOOOO!!"* 🌵
I hope I never become someone who refutes new knowledge and ideas. Ground breaking innovation is everywhere in the world right now. We need them so badly, so the next generation can live insteas of just survive.
For some reason I always mix up/misremember Dr. Semmelweis and Joseph Lister when it comes to this. I have to wonder how many other professional looked at his data and thought "he might have something here" but were just too afraid to voice support. As much as I loved my career in surgery it was often a very "eat your young" environment,
A person must pay greatly for the divine gift of creative fire. It is as though each of us was born with a limited store of energy. In the artist. the strongest force in his make-up, that is, his creativeness, will seize and monopolize this energy. leaving so little over that nothing of value can come of it. - Carl Jung
The shame being that the measures he advocated were such small easy ones to do and the benefits were both huge and demonstrable. Whenever you hear talk of "the science", remember Semmelweiss.
Diseases spread by doctors themselves are called iatrogenic diseases. They didn’t know about bacteria in Semmelweis’ day, but he guessed that the infectious agent was something like lycopodium powder, which they did have.
Being a conservative means sticking to the traditional values. Not obbsessively rejecting developement in any filds of science. The two has nothing to do with each other. The doctors were simply egoistic and racist.
Some people really can't handle a minor inconvenience that could save lives can they? Edit: it's less one generation at a time and more the next generation is more open to the new idea and experiment with it. If it works they go with said new idea.
Just another example of how dangerous it is to follow the tribe and NOT the truth.
Right
Err,are you really trying to sound like the extras in the Life of Brian??? Follow the gourd! :-)
Given that there are no limits to how much can be understood,no limits to consciousness,"truth" is a very relative term and the best we will ever have are newer,better (less erroneous) theories that move us away from ignorance towards greater understanding. There is no end point.No final truth.No matter what you are told or believe.
The growth that comes from the process of seeking wisdom is all we can ever acquire and the act of selflessly sharing our ideas and theories as we follow that path is the noblest of acts .
Looks to me like an example of the opposite. The guy literally went insane because people ostracized him. The story here is how much damage looking for validation can do both when it's found and when it's not found. In other words how much we rely on reciprocally confirming each others' biases in order to maintain our sanity. The group was looking for a reason that what they were doing before wasn't wrong and an excuse to not change their routine, and the other guy was doing the same. Main difference being: they could validate one another more than limited statistical inference could validate him, so they stayed sane and he was slowly forced into insanity. What was wrong here wasn't following the tribe but looking for validation for pride and laziness within the tribe from a position of social esteem. Social esteem, respect, being loved and all these things make seeking validation hardly ever justifiable, especially outside of desperation and within a shared space. It has a name seeking validation when done by people who aren't desperate for it from within a shared context(for example a collegue seeking validation from his wife is different than a collegue seeking validation from his wife who is also a collegue). The name ranges from bullying, oppression and encitement, depending on context, even when done artfully enough that nobody can accuse you of it. If you sought validation in a shared space, you were bullying, oppressing and enciting. That's the issue, not the fact that they followed the tribe and not TRUTH, which doesn't actually describe how they would have needed as people to act differently in practice from their own positions: less stroking of feathers and a lot more silence.
@federicopettinicchio He went insane because women were dying and his colleages refused to let him save them. He was watching murder happen in front of his eyes, and he was being forced to stay silent about it.
@@AtarahDerek That's not murder, no matter how you slice it, no amount of correlation can prove causation. That's unaltered natural selection, I get his suffering, I do, heck I share it to some extent and it's quite literally Hell on Earth when it comes about. I have a diagnosis for Schizophrenia so I am not speaking out of my ass. I am not trying to belittle that suffering one iota but it's not by subtly implying that he couldn't save them, which is realistically what drove him insane, that you change things. If people washed their hands maybe less would have died but can you promise that the ones who would have died would have been a strict subsection of those who died? No, you cannot and, in fact, it is highly unlikely. Then I decide to think that the ones who died that could have been saved and the ones who suffered who wouldn't have suffered, or were robbed of joys that did not materialize, gave their lives for those that unbeknownst to them benefitted, rather than see their sacrifice as meaningless and the lives of those who survived and had moments of joy through no fault of their own as stolen. I prefer to see them as heroes in their own times as well, not just martyrs and pioneers.
Poor guy, every one should know his story. Truly a kind person with divine empathy. May he rest in peace.
Amen ❤
In Hungary he is a very famous and now well respected person. They even made a new movie about his life.
But I still feel bad for him
Thats good to know!
@g.k.5165 can you plz tell me the movie name that is made on Semmelweis's story
Movie name on semmelweis story??
I feel so bad for him… like he just genuinely wanted to help/save infants and mothers but in the end he died suffering…. Everyone think of him as a crazy “hand washing maniac man”…. He didn’t deserved that
It was just institutions attempting to wash their hands of him
It's not that they didn't want to wash their hands, it was because it implied they had been the cause of all those deaths and they didn't want to admit that.
I went to the old AK (Allgemeines Krankenhaus - General Hospital) there our tour guide told us, that the doctors just didn’t touch them as much as the midwives so the doctors didn’t get as dirty as the midwives. Consequently the doctors didn’t wash them self. But the midwives didn’t this.
The midwives just got more dirty so they wanted to wash them selves.
men☕️
Semmelweis: "you caused a lot of deaths by not washing your hands"
His colleagues: "how about no?" *proceed to cause even more deaths*
@@izzyzle You seems to ignore the fact that the doctor that actually try to prevent dead and proceed to highlight the bad side of the other doctors. Women☕☕☕
They were literally accused of aciental murrder, so it can pottentaly endanger their lives from revengfull family members or their careers. Then theres that most doctors swear to do no harm, so logically or emotionally they don't want to believe that.
It was an egoic issue for Austrian doctors to accept from a Hungarian doctor in Vienna that he claimed the 'decomposing material' (at that time they did not yet know these were bacteria) was transmitted through his medical colleagues and he prescribed chlorinated handwashing for his colleagues.
The medical university in Budapest bears his name: Semmelweis University
I don t think that there is a national issue in this case. After all he was an ethnic German. His last name Semmelweis can be translated to white of a bun/roll.
Semmel (austrian/bavarian) = bun/roll, weis=weiß = white.
He had made a great discovery but besides the egos of the doctors his art of argumentation was not really helpful. He wrote letters to his peers calling them murderers...
Yes defenetly egotic issue! Just imagine how stupid the doctors felt when they realised this basic hygienic thing… like come on dirty hands spread diseases! Even in medieval time this was the problem of most of the illnesses (lack of basic hygiene)
He also was jewish.
Yes and it could be argued that Micrografia (Robert Hooke,England,1665) was one of the most important books ever published as it pulled the wool from our eyes as it were.
I live in Hungary, and Semmelweis is not forgotten here! A medical university is named after him.
Wow really?
@@Anonymousman_2001 yep😊
Probably the only good thing hungary has, given how they behaved with Poland against the EU
@@Bottleofwater-n5yhow did they behave ? I'm Asian so not really up to date with ongoings in Europe
Humanity, the biggest obstacle to the advancement of humanity.
SO TRUE!
The old program hates the new
@@Some1Philosophy The old program is resistant to the new.
@@JonyRotten should the new yield or live a double life?
@@Some1Philosophy What are you talking about?
It's been said that you can always tell who the pioneers were, by the arrows in their backs.
Former ICU Murse here. Remember this man and others when someone tells you to blindly "Trust the Experts". The history of medicine is filled with revolutionary crazy geniuses that stood in the way of the prevailing experts' thought and they suffered for it.
Semmelweis argubly got it the worst. Some argue him being beaten to death by the orderalies in the asylum was set up to happen. The reason being because at the time it was fashion among doctors to be dirty af and have dirty af workplaces: it "demonstrated experience" (especially having an apron with decades of biohazard filth). Also, commercial handsoap and lotion was readily available so soap was pretty mildly caustic. Having a dude yell at you 100s of times a day to stay clean in between medical endeavors and chemically burning the shit out of your hands would infuriate anybody. It wouldn't be until 1889 with Dr. Halstad that the idea of gloves would be used.
FFS, the Medicine Field is what popularized the concept "Second Opinion". Always do a little bit of your own personal research; especially if you're in the hospital - you're part of your own healthcare team.
I’m glad this story is being told. The problem is the lessons seemingly gleaned from Semmelweis’s life, are actively being lost.
The current state of public health, public health policy, protocols, and attitudes about hygiene, sanitation and PPE (e.g. respirators) is dire and deteriorating both in medicine and the general public.
And the issue of institutionalization and ostracism for those who support the above or are concerned about disease control, community care, community responsibility, protection and standard of care and safety in medical and community settings is happening today.
Right!
The medical field has not changed much in the last 160 years. Still resisting change.
And still causing death of their patients.
“No, using natural compounds for medicine is literally witchcraft! Take our synthetic drugs that cost you 10000% more than the production cost and will be inevitably exposed for causing loads of unforeseen complications in the future!”
Those who hold the money control what’s accepted in society at large. It will be the reality of the industry until all of this corruption pops the bubble and the top men are fighting each other for the last scraps of food in their doomsday bunkers.
Cool, it looks like CZcams immediately deleted my comment regarding how the medical community rejects nearly all alternative and natural medicine in favor of profit despite the drug industry always getting exposed for terrible side effects and price gauging. Hopefully this one won’t get deleted so CZcams’s sponsors can man up and take getting offended. :-D (Oh no! I cost them a few Pennie’s! It’s the end of science itself!!!!)
CZcams keeps deleting my replies related to that. . . . I guess getting into specifics on this subject is forbidden.
Wrong. The scientific method changed drastically.
Scrutinising ones kollegues, reading end reproducing their experiments literally gives one fame, fortune and respect among the scientific community
Reminds of Alfred Wegener. He was the first to propose the continental drift theory. His peers ridiculed him, and it wasn't until long after he died that the theory was accepted.
It's true that world-changing discoveries face opposition from the establishment. Unfortunately, this encourages people to hold all sorts of nonsense, and to face criticism and opposition as if it were the case of a revealed truth that will be widely accepted in some future (but that future doesn't exist).
A very sad story and a very good one to share.
I knew of the doctor's magnificent contribution to this field of medicine; I did not know of his tragic end. Thank you for sharing.
What a sad story, he was a huge asset but was misunderstood & rejected by the cult we still face today in this modern time🤔
Thanks for sharing, keep up the Great work👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
His work inspired Louis Pasteur, who also recognized there was something to the Jewish Levitical practices of handwashing and quarantine.
I remember reading about this man. Thank God for him.
If I have a time machine i definitely protect that man
Yes. Envy!
I'd bring him to the 1970s before he was admitted to the asylum. See how he changed the medical world. Survive all his abusers and naysayers. And finally live a peaceful life.
a sane man dies because of the insanity of others who knew they were killing other people by just not washing their hands. or at least letting a midwife operate the birth. he should have conducted another study on the sanity of those who study medicine at that time (and at this time)... wow wow wow he was going to find wonders ...
And a shout out to Scottish Dr. Joseph Lister as well!
What Dr Joseph Lister did??
@@MuhammadAamir-dj9lgListerine.
@@MuhammadAamir-dj9lg Anti-septic surgery. He was the first surgeon to insist that everything used for an operation be cleaned and sterilised.
This is the truth of Science. In a lot of ways it can just as dogmatic, if not more so, than any ideology. Science is supposed the pursuit of truth, not matter what may come. Often times many scientists see themselves as the arbiters of truth, not it's seekers. We need more people like semmelweis. People willing to stand on business and actually care for and treat their patients. Not line their pockets at our expense.
Have known of his story for a long time. He is my medical hero.❤ Have to wonder how many of us exist because medical personnel started washing their hands.
Semmelweis washed his hands of all the deaths caused by those who wouldn't wash theirs.
It's sad his story wasn't discussed much in detail during my first year in nursing school. Nevertheless, his contribution continued to save lives, in the simplest way possible. Handwashing.
Bless his heart for loving his fellow mankind 😢😢😢❤❤❤❤
They did not have modern soaps and disinfectants so washing your hands multiple times each day in the solutions available at that time took some time and could often lead to dry irritated skin.
Was that their excuse I wonder
@@falconeshield It certainly contributed to their dislike of the theory if you had to have irritated, dry itchy skin on both hands. Remember they could not just use modern moisturizer’s and could only use oils that would gather dirt and/or leave stains on everything you touched. ( not to mention you would need more caustic solutions to remove the oil, a vicious cycle ). It’s important not to judge people in the past by today’s standards, knowledge and technology.
@@imopman finally someone points that out. Yes ego likely played a bit of a role but no, it was not all of it. It is deeply irresponsible to judge people of history, or even recent generations, by what is now known. It completely removes that they just didn't know or that the situation was very different at the time. The amount of individual knowledge and context lost well outweighs whats been recorded and we need to keep that in mind. Ive heard we cant even read old blueprints for aircraft because the fundamental assumptions of what is common knowledge has changed so dramatically.
I have an inkling that this story, one about intelligent people who refused to consider observable facts in favor of theories, is quite likely to inspire... stupid people who refuse to consider observable facts in favor of conspiracy theories :P. You know: they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Let us see, do we find the same attitudes in today's medical community? You betcha! More driven by greed these days. "That can't be right. I might lose part of my revenue stream!"
nice! a new upload, thanks!
Humanity is its own obstacle. Sad reality 😢
It was 200 years ago
Max Planck's quote encaptured a very important process in the scientific method and I believe it is necessary that we take steps to speed it up
Challenging the academics in the medical community is a difficult task but not an impossible one.
For outsiders many things that happen in the medical community might feel and be seen as rigid but the truth is that hundreds of studies in multiple languages are being published every month that challenge and forward the medical knowledge on a global scale. The issue comes when said knowledge is implemented into a health policy or try to fit into a health system.
As stubborn as some medical doctors might look, the public must understand that this career is a mix of art, experience and knowledge which is why some resist change but when the evidence is overwhelming even the most stubborn will accept and apply it. Biggest example that comes to mind is the discovery of H. Pylori and its correlation with Inflammation of the stomach lining and gastric ulcers. The pathologists knew the bacteria was in the stomach but no one ever made that connection until 2 Australian mad doctors decided to test the theory on themselves and sent shockwaves through all the medical community with their discovery.
Bro just wanted everybody washing hands 😭
This is why we can’t have nice things. Had we supported this man he would have given us more.
A huge shame - that's about all I can say about this story...
and this is an excellent example of experts not knowing what's best and resorting to group-think; that needs to be taught along with the history of covid-19 [cause I think they are very similar in how actual doctors were censored online for being against the prevailing theory of the time]... also it might not have just been about them not wanting to wash hands.... but as you stated... his social status as a commoner trying to tell them what to do. then *they* could discover it after his death.
Hope you have a great day & Safe Travels!
Good ideas are separated from bad ideas by whether they stand the test of time.
Unfortunately, that particular test can take a generation or two to grade.
Yes defenetly egotic issue! Just imagine how stupid the doctors felt when they realised this basic hygienic thing… like come on dirty hands spread diseases! And well educated people didn’t do this basic hygiene action!
Even in medieval time this was the problem of most of the illnesses (lack of basic hygiene)
Can you please tell me what software do you use to make these kind of videos 😢
Thank you Sir .!!! Humanity simple washing hands .!!! Hospital 🏥 and Food
And then people wonder why I and many others are skeptical of the scientific and especially the medical community
Idk some of those skeptics are just like the skeptics against the doctor
poor guy😢
In our culture if u touch a dead body or attend a cremation u must take bath before touching anything else.
Yes, but that doesn't mean they knew what germs were.
The whole concept of untouchability exists because of this. Imagine some leather work finishes his day's work, and goes to drink from the temple well without washing his hands.
Shortly after, a bunch of people fall ill or die. They concluded that so ehow the leather worker was "impure" or "tainted" or that God was punishing them.
While yes, Hinduism has a much more refined sense of purity, a lot of it used to be based on outdated concepts like "miasma".
Like how if someone dies in your family, you can't eat food outside for 13 days. It was probably to avoid transmission from any bacteria caused by handling the body, but they didn't know that. For them, they thought the individuals had been "tainted" by some kind of energy that caused illness to others. Or how menstruating women weren't allowed out of the house. They were probably more susceptible to disease but no one knew exactly how or why, and they figured out that they were more likely to be safe if they just stayed indoors.
Proto science is respectable, but still proto science. It's based on a observation of cause and effect rather than actual understanding. Still, the priests must be credited for paying attention.
Similar.to.plague masks in Europe. They thought the smell was the thing causing the disease, but wearing a mask probably kept the bacteria out anyway.
I think a strong regulation would solve the issue regarding cience innovation. That means, if a method is tested and proved to be efficient, then it should be registered and applied. The human progress cannot be jeopardized because of some stubborn old people that are too arrogant and ignorant to do their job better.
The saddest part about this story is that he's not the first and will not be the last enlightened person to be made a pariah just for discovering the truth.
Who are you in the field? The answer is that it depends on the field and the change in paradigm. In some cases new ideas are embraced quickly while others face strong challenges. There is no one formula.
What was their excuse about the significant reduction in deaths after washing their hands
Imagine grown men having a fit because they don't want to wash their hands.
I don't have to imagine it my friend does it whenever I tell him to 😂
Nah it was accountability for the deaths.
Imagine young women being promiscuous and calling it freedom
This guy was the genius that it was time he proved that wash your hands for better for better Mental Health and wonderful better health for the doctors but sadly his idea was everything seriously
We don't have to advance one generation at a time. It's just easier for the next generation to accept new ideas.
He received resistance from his peers, also good doctors, because he was stating that they were the direct cause of their new-mothers birthing-bed syndrome.
When I worked in a Museum for medical history and did regular guided tours I talked about Semmelweis a lot, when adressing the history of reproductive health for women. Birth and womens health was in the hands of midwifes for centuries, and then in the 18- 19th century the male-dominated medical faculties decided to make it a "proper" medical field without much considering the experience that the women had who actually carried out this profession for years. This lead to great mistreatment and experimentation , especially on poor women, who had nowhere to go but public Hospital for delivery, especially when they carried pregnancies out of wedlock. The mortality rate of women and children was horendous during the beginning of the institutionization of womens medicine. Of course this got better over time but we still have a long way to go regarding womens health concerns and Research.
Semmelweis Was a good doctor who took his Mission to Help his patients seriously. We can only hope for more physicians like him for the history to come
Excellent sir..have you done the Coney Island babies yet?
Biases, schemas and many other important limitations we have as human.. If we could only learn how to manage them and share it with the entire world..
2:50 "...because its opponents eventually die,"
As long as it's true, that only death of "some" can "helps" spread the new ideas, I don't think it's appropriate explore and desire immortality. The evolution of ideas would stop. Imagine if our tree-dwelling ancestors were immortal...
I think that the behavior of Dr. Semmelweis colleagues correlates very well with the contents of these videos:
Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity
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Cipolla’s 5 Laws of Human Stupidity
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its sad.
Boggles the mind.
Tragic.🥺🥺
If your outside the norm you will be hated whether your right or wrong, only be justified as investigation comes after in the future.
Really well-made, and a not-so-well-known story. Congratulations for the good video
The only thing wrong about this video is that he did not discover germs or invent washing hands or whatever it was that you said. Scientists and doctors already had such practices for hundreds of years from Baghdad to Nanjing. However, the man was a hero who did introduce these ideas to his own people and times, and suffered greatly for it.
Imagine hating to wash your hands so much, you'd rather bury mothers and their children than admit that you don't know what you're doing.
Wow, how disgusting were people back then? "Hey fellow doctors! Let's try washing our hands after we're done performing autopsies before we deliver babies." 🌵*"NOOOOOOOOO!!"* 🌵
I hope I never become someone who refutes new knowledge and ideas. Ground breaking innovation is everywhere in the world right now. We need them so badly, so the next generation can live insteas of just survive.
Science sometimes doesnt stray away from a cult
Read *Louis-Ferdinand Céline's* _Semmelweis,_ a short novel, but a masterpiece!
The chlorine solution was irratting though. Very itchy and possibly painfull
For some reason I always mix up/misremember Dr. Semmelweis and Joseph Lister when it comes to this. I have to wonder how many other professional looked at his data and thought "he might have something here" but were just too afraid to voice support. As much as I loved my career in surgery it was often a very "eat your young" environment,
As tragic as Semmelweis' life was, we should be glad he never had to meet a league of Legends player 💀
“To save the infants and mothers, we should wash our hands so the mothers will be free of disease”
The other doctors: “but I don’t wanna”
A person must pay greatly for the divine gift of creative fire. It is as though each of us was born with a limited store of energy. In the artist. the strongest force in his make-up, that is, his creativeness, will seize and monopolize this energy. leaving so little over that nothing of value can come of it.
- Carl Jung
He got the last laugh. He is forever remembered.
In Hungary, we call him "the Savior of Mothers". Didn't know he had such a tragic life. Rest in peace, doctor.
I remember the ted ed video about logical fallacy
They were not dimissive of his ideas, they simply realized they would be responsible for all those deaths so they doubled down.
The medical practice only got worse from there.
So true
This personifies cultural revolution. This is not much different than how we ended slavery in America. Enough of the “opponents died”.
Max Planck doesn't even care about his enemies well-being a planck length
He is science
Do we advance one generation at a time, while sometimes no advancement takes place, often due to willful ignorance and refusal to change the paradigm
"Most likely beaten to death by guards"
"But it was never proven"
So it's not the most likely then. Don't speculate...
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so sad😢
finnaly, now i know his name, i can download the movie about hím i saw in school
Thanks
The shame being that the measures he advocated were such small easy ones to do and the benefits were both huge and demonstrable.
Whenever you hear talk of "the science", remember Semmelweiss.
Diseases spread by doctors themselves are called iatrogenic diseases. They didn’t know about bacteria in Semmelweis’ day, but he guessed that the infectious agent was something like lycopodium powder, which they did have.
Perfect summary of Political Correctness. "Muh Kwalifficashionz!"
V sauce does a really good video on it. There is so much more to the story.
Good example of how conservatism and advancement don't go together
Indeed
Being a conservative means sticking to the traditional values. Not obbsessively rejecting developement in any filds of science. The two has nothing to do with each other.
The doctors were simply egoistic and racist.
this is not just in science.. in every field that exissts.. ppl are in mobs.. re..tar.ded
I thought this was about Vsauce because of the thumbnail 💀
Some people really can't handle a minor inconvenience that could save lives can they?
Edit: it's less one generation at a time and more the next generation is more open to the new idea and experiment with it. If it works they go with said new idea.
So when you question a medical procedure and meet resistance mentioning sammelwiess would be wise
I think the only reason germ theory would be widely accepted is because the brewing industry wanted to know why beer goes sour.
hmm, maybe instead of persuading others into doing something, it's better to provoke them into doing it instead
They offed him to protect themselves.
Hmm
Just trust the science, not the guy who challanges the science
Doctors are not that carful now. I have seen them go from one patient to another with less than a ten hand wash from beginning to end.