John O Conor - Beethoven Bootcamp
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- In this unique film, recorded in Positano, on Italy's rugged Amalfi coast, internationally acclaimed concert pianist John O'Conor tries to pass on the passion and power of Beethoven's music to the next generation of musicians. It's not an easy task - even though this group of seven men and women from around the world are hand picked by O'Conor for these master-classes, as much for their musical ability as for their perceived dedication to their art and their craft, the lessons have mixed results.
This masterclass will change the way they think, the way they hear and the way they play - and the cameras will be with them all the way.
A Mind the Gap Production for RTÉ
- www.rte.ie/tv/programmesales/j...
Master-class reviewed in New York Observer:
www.observer.com/node/49461
John O Conor Website Biography:
www.johnoconor.com/biography.p... - Zábava
I LOVE how he says... "to have a career... you have to go out and fight for it..." I've known soo many gifted pianists who are completely UNaware of this...
I had the chance to listen to Mr. O Conor live and he played the most divine Pathetique I've ever heard. It was literally the "best" Pathetique and I still remember the awe I felt at the concert. It's truly magical.
6:15 can confirm that Dr.Darshini is a fabulous pianist and teacher, am fortunate enough to have studied with her. Changed my life and music!
THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!! It HONESTLY did NOT feel like an hour long programme due to the fact that it was SUCH COMPELLING viewing!!!!!!!!!
Music, ESPECIALLY Classical Music has been my ABSOLUTE LOVE AND MY ONE TRUE PASSION MY ENTIRE LIFE (I'm 49 now). It IS INFINITELY BY FAR THE GREATEST gift I could have EVER received, and it is a gift that was passed on to me by my Dad (even though my Mum loves it as well), who sadly passed away in January this year.
I have to confess, however, that whilst Beethoven was my Dad's favourite composer, mine is Mozart, with Ludwig coming in a close second. Julie Gill, Glasgow, Scotland.
I think this is a great joy for John. Being a master pianist, knowing his stuff so well and teaching these young people. Must be nice, most of the time.
Dharshini (the first pianist to play) teaches at my University, USF in Tampa! She's lovely, and a splendid pianist. I don't study with her, but I have heard her play. My teacher did the same "handshake" trick with me that Mr. O'Conor does with her, and it really works to make you feel the keys more! This video is beyond awesome, thank you for posting!
What some people don't realise is that O'Conor was teaching the russian in the art of humility, an important part of being a professional musician. It's not all about playing the piano, as he eluded to. Talent will only get you so far, especially in today's world...
Wait, teaching the Russian humility? It's not his place to teach someone that.
ironically, Beethoven was anything but humble.
The Russian guys problem is he isn’t as talented as he thought, therefore it’s best to listen to make better use of what little talent he has...
I am very impressed with Maestro O'Conor's approach to both his teaching and his playing of Beethoven's piano literature. . Even as an amateur, I take much from the depth of his insights. What emerged for me again and again in this teaching and playing is that Beethoven demands (by his absolute command) attention to his structures, his philosophies, his narratives, his intellect. What is most astonishing is that if the pianist can get these right, the emotions seem to emerge from them with the greatest intensity. If one begins with the emotions and attempts to get to the structure, the intellect, the philosophy, the emotions never achieve their potential stature. I owe a debt of gratitude to Maestro O'Conor for allowing me a chance to experience a little of the abundance he has to offer. I am sure many do.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE UPLOAD! This is an incredible documentary. I have always wondered why his students loved working with him. This video is an incredible resource for musicians.
John, you're one fabulous teacher. I remember Beethoven's piano concerto no. 1 in c major was a piece at the Feisch Ceol in Dublin around 1966/7. It was won by a girl called Collette. . She had a rare Beethoven talent but sadly became a doctor. That year Wilhelm Kempf played at the Gaiety Theater and is my favourite interpreter of Beethoven. Wonderful that you went on to study with Kempf. Good luck in the future. I remember your lovely parents in Terenure Square and your dog.
It is a good work to keep the Wilhelm Kempff centre going on. After these documentary I decided to add the Beethoven Piano sonatas cd set interpreted by Mr. John O’Conor to my collection and portfolio of Beethoven music library. Success with all this work.
fabulous passion for the music has mr o'connor, enjoyed meeting this great talent online, thank you for sharing
This was wonderful!
Really enjoyed this, thanks a bunch!
Great teacher!!!
Brilliant teacher.
What a spectacular film! John's teachings are exceptional and this film is very well produced. I found his point of allowing Beethoven's humanity to be expressed through his music particularly intriguing. Bravo, thank you for posting this.
thank you
Everybody is jealous of this guy. I got to have a masterclass with him playing Beethoven concerto 1 and had a great experience
is it peter laul ?
Fantastic.❤
The most difficult profession in the World ! I'm amazed how many young people are still coming into classical music ! I can't believe it ! O'Conor! He is truly alive and volatile . A great Beethoven exponent ! Who brought a Kullak edition.My teacher order Tovey purple bound editions in the 1970's .Theop.7 Eflat Sonata is one of my favesop.31 of course is Amazing !I read Rubinstein's 2 volume bio didn't know hi teacher Barth was taught by Tausig ! Average person in concert hallknows nothing even if they have studied the music . Unless they are musically brilliant and have had great teachers they don't know the difference btw one phrase and another and certainly are not listening nor can really hear to what Richter or Backhaus are saying. It's other pianists and teachers,conductors who decide who gets a career. Horowitz was one of the few who the average concert goer knew had special qualities no matter what he played ! I 'm amazed that the big Russian with excellent technique was not well liked by O'Conor . Sri Lanka even has good teachers . Instrumentalists are coming from everywhere !
@AgnesRegina No problem, thank you for watching!
Oh my....when I was 17 and a completely naïve piano student, I decided to play a Beethoven Sonata for a visiting artist. I can have a good laugh at myself, at how farcical the whole scene must have been, those 26 years ago. John must have been as confounded at my greenness, as I was about the man telling me to get my foot of the pedals. If only I had met up with him about 5 years later, I would have been receptive to his lesson.
47:58 "People who are not pianists can have favourite recordings of things but people who ARE pianists need to keep their own integrity" ... YES! :) I already respected him but this phrase just made him my favourite person!
Extraordinary
Very engaging.
if you look at the stage at 2.34 what's that other piano stool doing placed to the right of the piano on that podium?
which sonata is it at the ending credit ?
which sonata/movement is played at 50:38?
Thank you for watching, and for your lovely comments!
NEWSFLASH!
Beethoven Bootcamp will be held in Dublin at the Royal Irish Academy of Music from June 16th to 27th 2014. Students can apply at beethovenbootcamp@riam.ie or to raykeary@hotmail.com . Listeners may attend.
Which sonata is it at 48:05?
o'conor is awesome
The pen at the end looks expensive. Mont Blanc?
which piece? 36:54
That's Beethoven's final sonata, the magnificent Opus 111 in C Minor.
So sorry that Kevin had to leave under these sad circumstances. And that girl was so good to go with him. I do not think it is all about Beethoven but should incorporate something from each performer.
Hey he taught my mom in Ireland before he was a bigshot!!
A masterclass in pedagogy as well as in piano.
@30inventionman If you look at Barenboim teaching he goes into far more detail than John - he rarely gets beyond discussing a few bars in, say, an hour's lesson - and it all makes sense.
What sonata is it that Mr. O'Conor is playing from 50:37?
I know this is a comment from two years ago, but this is Beethovens 32nd sonata 2nd movement
what is the piece at 06:15 please
up to 6.15 sonata no. 11 op. 22 in B flat major / at 6.15 than second part Sonata no 31 op. 110 n A flat major
Even though I'm truly amazed with how great John O Conor is, I couldn't help to notice how smug this entire video seemed.
Yes, I found him a bit too amazed with himself! To say publicly that he doesn't care if he ever sees that one German student again he wouldn't care, is a terrible, uncaring thing to say about another human being! Arrogance pays when you're a performer though.
ann marie Fuller Maybe he felt threatened by the kid, since he had a fabulous technique!!!
ann marie Fuller I think you misunderstood him. First Peter is a Russian student not a German, and John O Conor is not worried about Peter lest he not see him again, which means that even if he doesn't see Peter again, he is assumed to be doing well with regards to his piano career, as compared to other students that when they're not visible they may not be making it at all. I saw in other footages that Peter is now a Professor of Music somewhere in Korea so I assume he's doing reasonably well!
Thank you. I hope I did misunderstand.
enough said, i've made my point
21:20 what concert?
Thanks
Number 1
If someone is talented and doing the wrong thing, the best thing to do is to not encourage them with the idea of them having talent in the first place.
What do you mean?
students get the semi grand and John plays on the full concert grand ?! :D
Yes I noticed that too...John plays a concert grand ( not sure of the brand ) and thr students a Yamaha ... probably C 3.....Both pianos should be the same brand and size...
The concert grand was Wilhelm Kempffs instrument. This setup (and the fact that the students play on the other piano) was not chosen by O'Conor, it's just the instruments from the Wilhelm Kempff foundation.
Great video. I wouldn't make it with O'Conor as I'm too independent in my thinking... and I prefer Mozart!
God, i really thought Peter had the most talent and balls, so natural... with the right guidance from a teacher he can get on with he could be awesome! What terrible things john said about him, so arrogant
Yeah O'connor seems like an insecure wanker
That's the middle movement of the opus 79 in G Major.
From “Haydn to nowadays” is a bit of an exaggeration - but it acts as a magnet on globalization students and encourages young people to start play and then study the piano and then attend master classes as simple as that. These sort of stories are abundant in the world of opera and music instruments studies. Once one believes these sort of stories one enters the world of magic - in this case the piano magic world and lives in this magic until it realizes one is not Mozart, neither Beethoven and it is in a harsh competition where only genuine talent keeps one up. Master classes can teach one lots of things except talent! So first look inside if there is that special spark sustain it by a lot of systematic study and discipline and avoid sophist teachers. Than one is on the right track. To end these comments which might be easily categorized as hypocritical Wilhelm Kempff was a piano saint. The rest is worthless comments and “the dust of dust”( Enesco, Oedip).
John O'Connor's arrogant statement to one of the students that 'Beethoven slept with prostitutes, he was a man...' is totally unfounded! and was propagated by some who wanted to denigrate Beethoven's reputation; perhaps O'Connor needs to read more (excellent book by Barry Cooper called "Beethoven" is one of reliable sources...) before he shoots his ignorant remarks; and that applies to his treatment of some of these students; it is O'Connor I wouldn't care to meet arrogant and full of himself
To Kempff, and to Beethoven...
That's Beethoven Sonata op. 109
dmundstoiberderdepp, Piano Sonata No.32 op.111, Arietta.
O'Conor comes across to me as a bighead, however talented a pianist he may be
I love his cycles of Beethoven concertos and sonatas on Telarc, as well as discs of John Field's music, etc.
Honestly, I hate the word "bootcamp". So militaristic and unartistic... I prefer that we stick to the old artsy labels, such as "workshop", "masterclass" or "symposium".
(preparing a bonfire.., throwing all the military boots on top of the logs... pouring tanks of gasoline... lighting a match... VOOM!)
2:40 is that Tony Soprano's wife?!
48:14 😂🤣
51:19: First son was obviously a mistake?
Or ugly?
"Beethoven was many things; he was never really nice". Hahahaha!!!!
This guys focus on Beethoven’s personality is weird. His music isn’t a soundtrack of his personality/life. Very weird way to see music.
That's true. Such a common misconception that composers write the way they feel in the moment.
50:30 kills me. "I'd prefer it if you'd play Bethoven".
9:50
17:30
47:00
48:00
He was jealous of his best student and that is unfortunate. So many careers are destroyed because of jealous teachers.
Beautiful music belongs to all. This man promotes elitism in the world of music and thinks he personally knew Beethoven.
The people who go to this bootcamp go because the value O'Connor's viewpoint and want to learn how he thinks about and understands the music of Beethoven so that they can apply it in their own playing. Not to mention he explicitly states the importance of each of the musicians finding their own voice in Beethoven's music. He is not promoting elitism and he certainly isn't implying that he owns the interpretive rights to Beethoven's music
@@TheGoldenHorncall well said and agreed
@@TheGoldenHorncall not to mention that he’s a student of kempff who had a direct line to Beethoven.
23:58 bruh
Case in point: the awful, unwritten, senseless 'sforzato' in the F-Sharp downbeat of measure 4 (8:26)--not to mention Beethoven's dynamic marking is 'piano'. O'Connor: Oh charlatan!
to embarrass a student so profoundly not only in front of his group but also knowing that it was being filmed and will be possibly posted on youtube for the 'world' to see is not only very arrogant but callous as well ... poor pedagogy in deed; master class? don't think so; nope no agenda here except speak up for the student i felt was really mistreated by the 'master'
which student in particular?
They all play well but seem like a bunch of awkward bunch of nerdy rich kids that have no social skills.
all of them have been playing and practicing for a long time; as he said about the lady from Wisconsin some of them have not a lot of money or come from not a lot of money. I'm sure the students have social skills, but they are there to study something very intricate and precise-along with the subjective part of the music. It's quite stressful- imagine if John was not as jolly as he is in the class
If you practiced hours by yourself you'd be awkward too. Pianists almost never practice with anyone else unless they're accompanying
hmmm i find it somewhat absurd that some little insignificant beings are trying to understand or 'allow' beethoven's 'humanity' to come out in his music (due to false claims).... for you or o'connor to do that is like for a mole trying to stand up to an elephant .... you can never understand a genius unless you're one ... in your cases you're only projecting your own limiting 'needs' on a genius that is way beyond both of you... ah, the ignorance and arrogance of it! a master class? hardly
John O'Conor is NOT a piano legend.He lacks inner musical vision. His path is in the material, not the spiritual. It is silly that people make much of him. Notwithstanding, I'm sure he's a nice person. He seems to be altruistic while actually promoting elitism and exclusivity in piano-playing and partly for personal gain and to do so is mean-spirited, for piano music belongs to all.Give me Brendel for a masterclass any day.
Lol dude 😂 couldn't disagree more. He LIVES music and shares it with everyone. What he did to promote and support music is enormous. His concerts, his masterclasses, the Dublin International Competition, and his everyday teaching without getting tired. He is the opposite of a snob and elitist.