Kramnik BEATING Fabiano in Titled Tuesday WITH EVAL BAR!!
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- čas přidán 6. 07. 2024
- Here's a video of Former World Champion Vladimir Kramnik playing Fabiano Caruana (World #3) on his live stream in a Titled Tuesday game earlier this year. After weeks and months of hard work and consultation with many specialists, we have managed to add an eval bar to the game. Enjoy!
Disclaimer: This is a light-hearted video meant to showcase a good game played by Mr. Kramnik online. Please don't take it too seriously.
Thanks for watching!
#vladimirkramnik #fabianocaruana #titledtuesday - Hry
Fabiano be like "everything is clear to me, let's do the procedure"
Wow Kramnik plays with an evaluation bar? I mean how is this even possible? Do the procedure 😡😡😡😡😡😡
the thing he is complaining about is about editing it in while you stream. If Hikarus editors did it he could just pull up his own stream with an eval bar.
But, it's not in the stream. Do you even watch his stream ? Kramnik is basing it on a CZcams uploaded video that is uploaded pretty quickly after streaming...but he is forgetting how fast and easy everything is nowadays.everyone is on 1gbit fiber and has hexacore + machines by default.
@@FlagimirKramnik The eval bar is active while he streams. This is a video which is completetly different.
@@luddz1574 you've never watched hikaru
s streams did ya
I watch every hikaru's tt stream,there's never an eval bar in his stream lol stop the CAP@@luddz1574
I am sure this took you AT LEAST a whole month of huge work
Imagine how manually he had to do it
it's actually easy to add eval bar, you just have to play same game with same time while watching the stream, then just cut the eval bar and put it on the original video, so simple
@@mriiae I already talked to the experts, not the statistiks experts, and this is not the case please think before posting or I'll be doing the procedure
@@Bai_Su_Zhen kitty!!!
He beat fabiano guys. And then he loses to random 2200 fidemasters. But nobody is cheating yeah
"Oh I won, let's not do the procedure then :)" - Nik, Kram
An eval bar??? According to scientists it should take a lot of days with multiple engineers working on it! He must be cheating!!
it is an EDITED RE-UPLOAD FFS ... use your brain please ... done by 100s of content creators for years!
@@JohnKuhles1966 who is gonna tell this guy 💀
not possible even, would need a pararel universe to record both and put them together, why go to so much trouble when there is a simpler explanation, is clear to me now and it should be to you ifs smart
@@dafeac 100% agree, according to science he is cheating
Definitely cheating, lets do the procedure.
everything is clear to me now
"I managed to beat Fabiano... Interesting"
KRAMNIK USING EVAL BAR DURING TITLED TUESDAYS? THIS IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE AND ITS CRAZY TO ME THAT NO ONE IS SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT
Right? And he accused Hikaru and is doing it himself. What a clown 😂
I don't think the players see the eval bar
@@Techy_p We know that, you know that, Kramnik doesn't. We are trolling him.
@@reav3rtm both of them are clowns and have cheated at some point of their careers
@@awesomechannel7713 Kramnik cheated? That's would be news. Unless you mean taxes or something.
Oh no, start the procedure…
Not this time!
Rules dont apply to the maker!
The smile in the end 😂
:)
Kramnik complaining about how an eval bar can be edited into Hikaru’s stream and saying it’s not possible, and his claims immediately getting dismantled and backfired on him.
No they don't.
Kramnik is valid to question how these processes behind the scenes (involving editors etc) could be exploited - now or in the future. How they remain unregulated within a dubious context of money and content-making (so there's motive). And how it's problematic within the new, changing, context of chess playing (i.e. online, corporate monopolies etc.) that they still remain unknown in their specifics.
@@telemahos2No Kramnik is not valid in anything this especially this new eval accusation
-Kramnik accuses Hikaru of having the eval bar on stream even though he doesnt and its only on his videos.
-Kramnik says such work will take a long time because other people said so, making him entirely uneducated in this regard and its either him or the people he asked are lying about the it.
If Kramnik doesnt know how this works, maybe become educated on it and ask actual editors before accusations. Just like the statistics accusations, all he is doing is making his ignorance known and embarrassing himself
@@telemahos2 Unregulated? People can edit their videos all they want and add million eval bars if they wish. There’s nothing to be regulated in that. Kramnik again knew nothing about the topic and jumped right to the false accusations without a second thought. He even begged the other top players to ”raise his voice against such a clear violation of rules”. Pathetic. He managed to prove that cheating could be possible by not showing the viewers the same view as he sees which shouldn’t be big news if he knew anything about live streaming. Instead of ”questioning” he decided to directly accuse again and it indeed backfired. Just pathetic.
@@telemahos2 Btw good job copy pasting your comment on every second comment. Hope someone pays you good for that hard work
@@aleksihiltunen7063 Are you intentionally thick?... "Unregulated" refers to online chess playing, the new development of chess, and not to editing videos!!.....
I appreciate the last scene where you remind everyone the legend status of Kramnik, but like he did this to himself. If he didnt speak much, he would probably still be respected, but now there is probably no hope. Kramnik will go down in history as "the procedure" guy. unlucky
just keep in mind that most statements he has made are 100% correct- THE ONLY REASON why is is hated as much as he is right now, is because he called out hikaru on suspicions for cheating... One of his statements is that online chess has a massive problem with cheaters or something along those words, and he is absolutely right, nowadays especially in the lower rated side "below 2000" i cant go 10 games without facing a cheater. Most of his hate is coming from assuming a famous streamer/chessplayer is cheating in his games, and while even I think he is wrong on that part, i still respect on what he has to say for other things and him being a true G for calling them out.
He's one bad day away from being known as that disgraced GM who got sued by other GM's for false accusations leading to FIDE to remove his GM status as a way to save face .
@@hurmuzi1545 I don’t think accusing a 13 year old of cheating is “100% correct”. Most of the things he says nowadays are wrong
@@hurmuzi1545 You say most of his statements are 100% correct but then you give a single example of something that everyone agreed on even BEFORE he started his "crusade". So what exactly did he bring to the table to solve this problem? Instead of drawing attention to actual cheaters he's going after Hikaru, Jospem (who proved himself legit), Danya + others. Now he doesn't understand how easy it is to edit a video and calls that cheating..
Seems to me like he is actually helping cheaters by deflecting attention and usually just gets frustrated because he can't handle a mouse as well as other players.
@@hurmuzi1545 that is the "only reason". In fact, it's not even the main reason people don't like Kramnik. The primary reason is he is a poor loser and jumps to report any player that beats him to save his ego. You can literally see the progression during his games when he starts losing he starts looking for reasons why his opponent's play is suspicious. "Strange move. He's playing very quickly. Time to do the procedure."
For anyone wondering you're not allowed to use the evaluation bar during games and this is 100% water tight proof that kramnik is using it whilst streaming.
No it isn't. The eval bar was added by the video uploader.
@@JSSTyger that would take several weeks of work and is very hard to do. most likely he had it on his stream
@@JSSTygerthat would be the joke
@@Joe-po8rxthat’s incredibly irresponsible to treat it like a joke when these are very serious accusations being made on kramnik
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 on or by?
Kramnik is a legend although sometimes he gets on our nerves but he will remain top 10 gm
The music is perfect!
I love ur content ❤❤❤
KRAMNIK MUST BE CHEATING! He can clearly see the eval bar.
But Hikaru with an editor can make it online with no cheating. So, I resume, everyone can
This need to be viral
Now Kramnik is able to cheat without going to toilet.
or pissing in the wind getting wet
If your description is sarcasm, some Kramnik supporters didnt get it because it adds up for them. Should add an obvious fallacy in it so they get more its sarcasm. The timing alone of suddenly mentioning eval bar didnt make them realize it was referencing a very recent drama.
Guys, that's not Kramnik stream. This is just a video
Respect to Vladimir Kramnik!
It's not that difficult to understand that the evaluation var is not showed to the player live, it's just an add on to the live stream or the recording.
fabiano did the procedure after the game
If you did this alone, i think you have invest at least 8 moths editing it with the eval bar, good work
i think it's genuinely stupid when people ask us to be respectful of Kramnik at this point. he seems incapable of treating any other human being with respect in any way: he says he has "statistics" that prove certain high level players are cheating (even though he didn't even graduate high school), but he won't show it to any of the many math professionals in the chess world or submit it to be peer reviewed; a person who edits full time tells kramnik (a man who I am sure has never done any editing to any video other than exporting) this is possible, and he says 'wrong'; kramnik touts himself as being one of the only people who fights chess cheating for REAL in the online space and he can't even recognize when an account has actually been banned for cheating.
he's completely lost it and it's pathetic how people treat him with kid gloves, even Levy did it in his interview with Kramnik. he said he "doesn't understand that sort of thing" when talking about Kramnik's phony statistics but Levy has a degree in stats. he could EASILY study the paper and tell him exactly why Kramnik is wrong but then kramnik would block Levy on twitter and refuse interviews, so he just ignores it and lets the man exist in his ignorance. Kramnik is a man who is nearly 50 and is acting like a 9 year old on a playground.
Okay, but you can disagree with someone respectfully too, right? No need to resort to name-calling
@@sciencecubicle no need to be nice to people making preposterous claims against all advice/knowledge of experts. shit like that is how we got maga
bro he's criticised like 3 people, stop the paragraphs. "incapable of treating any other human being with respect" LOL
@@xeffary7390 3????? are you sure?
Kramnik is valid to question how processes behind the scenes (involving editors, software etc) could be exploited - now or in the future. How they remain unregulated within a dubious context of money and content-making (so there's motive). And how it's problematic within the NEW, changing, context of chess playing (i.e. online, corporate monopolies, popular players, money-making etc.) that they still remain unknown in their specifics.
Kramnik is shamelessly seeing the eval bar while playing. The king of cheaters exposed 🎉🎉🎉
lost on time like everytime lmao kramnik is a comedian
He's so slooww bro
@@davidsantiago7808yeah you should beat him on time
@@Mnil52 I probably could apparently a lot of people are doing it. He's so washed up.
He would destroy you before you get the endgame@@davidsantiago7808
Procedural chess progresses by itself
Yep that's a Fabiano game. I think he's obsessed with getting all his pawns on one color.
How many weeks did it take for your team of video engineers to make this? 🤨
"o-kay" 😂
Браво, Маэстро!
I don't see how this is possible!
Y'all didn’t read the video description.
Interesting!
Kramnik reminds me of the Charlie Day conspiracy board meme
What's the name of the background music?
Watching him playing chess is great
Could anyone just tell me how do you get the live eval bar of the game. cuz I assume you weren't recording the game with an eval bar.
My guess is he just runs the game afterwards and times the moves with the video, then cuts the bar and splices it into the streamed board. That's how my tech ignorant self would do it. But there's probably a better way.
@@hitmanfcp1 what? nooo! it's DAYS OF WORK! believe me! I'm an expert and the one making Kramnik pay for it. so...
The only better way is probably spectating live chess and splicing the stream onto the video so it keeps Kramnik's mouse and just get the perfect frame edit.
@@yuuraiyeah. Record the actually game. Put the moves in and just play through it. Splice the two together. Eval bar takes time to adjust anyways so it looks natural.
Its time for Fabi to start the procedure. Who knows, he might find something...Interesting.
nice 😀
It's his experiment with Hikaru editor, I think. They make a agreement on a editor's channel
Kramnik played with eval bar on. #cheatertuesday
Забавно как он вместо звука [θ] произносит звук [s], и когда он говорит "three" я постоянно слышу "сри сри сри"😂
Kramnik is a great player!!
You and many people keep missing his point. The point was not that editing in an evaluation bar is impossible, but that it is not very practical.
I watched 1000s of chess videos ... AND NO ONE DOES IT LIKE how Kramnik does ... he does NOT drag the chess peaces with his mouse, he clicks on it shortly then click on it AGAIN on the destination. If he does that too many times, will have a finger nerve overload, getting a cramp or something. He also seems he does not know how to change settings to use pre-moves (only the OBVIOUS moves) that feature alone can save so much time!
I think he said, he don't want to premove, because that's not how chess should be played...Or something like that.
i don't see how clicking twice could be the cause of a repeated stress injured, maybe he's old but still it shouldn't be a problem, if anything he just needs to have his arm in a good position or maybe buy a vertical mouse
From watching his videos, it seems like Levy also does this, no?
@@dgmullin1 clicking+clicking is actually by far the most reliable way to play. Watch and laugh how many times the "draggers" will mouseslip a piece by dropping it where they didn't intend to, or drag the wrong piece and drop it when trying to grab another one, usually resulting in cussing out the mouse (you know who I'm talking about ;)). Perhaps the only significant advantage to dragging is it is faster (and safer) in a time scramble. Kramnik, being quite old school and not even growing up with online blitz, doesn't really "do" time scrambles, if you know what I mean. Most of the guys you see dragging are going to be doing rapid mouse movements (even when they don't have to hurry), playing some form of blitz or bullet. There is also a (less relevant) argument that it's "more natural", which is why a lot of people may start out dragging and stay that way out of habit.
He's a bit from a different era. He does not pre-move, doesnt believe in it, somehow. Also, he probably played computer chess before mouse dragging was a thing, so maybe he just settled into click-click as the way you play on a computer.
Why not a tag in the bar with text ‘seen by Kramnik’? 😅
What is the song at the end of the video?
People are focusing on eval bars, but they are not paying any attention to how people are cheating by dragging pieces. You can only move pieces by clicking on them.
Second screen (with bar ofc) doing the procedures
This is genius 😂
Outro Song pls
an evak bar? very interesting...
Ok what is this??? How is there an eval bar okay this must be impossible
Владимир Борисович! Ура! Ура! Ура!
"i mean this is ridiculous, youtuber hacked my account and is cheating on it now with evaluation bar"
Damn bro must have taken you “months” *sigh* time to start de procedure…
If someone on Kramnik's team is watching this can you please inform him that the "negative edge" from releasing a mouse button by dragging a chess piece really adds up in online blitz games - versus point clicking. I don't know maybe he has arthritis, I'm just saying.
He actually suffers from AS: ankylosing spondylitis which is a rare form of arthritis
@@bobesfanchi Oh wow I didn't know, thanks for the info. Google says it is more associated with the spine but sounds painful.
bro coming from 100 years late
The wife:
Fabiano: everything is clear to me now you cheated on me im doing the procedure
Just to make it clear. The facts that Kramnik behaves like clown and has cheated in 2006 doesn't mean Nakamura isn't a cheater. He probably is and for sure is a clown too.
You meant Kramnik beating Caruana, didn't you?
The sad thing is that Fabiano did the procedure.
Impossible!
Besides the suspicious eval bar, I think this game contains a lot of mistakes for both sides even when the time isn't that low. So I guess it isn't a cheated game? Of course, he still needs to explain why it appears tho.
Kramnik is cheating, Kramnik is cheating!!!
와 그래도 전설은 전설이네 존나 잘한다
interesting 🤔
Kasparov has never been 2851 and will never be 2851 how did they manage to put this number in???
He was 2851 in July 1999
@@Vanhaomena No he wasn't, in that year and the years before top GMs had a rating of 2650+ maximum 2700+ which was very very high. I remember this. The 2851 rating is an estimated fictitious rating same thing with Fischer. The same thing with their IQ that was never measured.
@@carlmagnussen7773 Nothing fictitious about it: his official FIDE rating was 2851. It's not an estimation, he just got there with the results of his FIDE rated games.
By the way, his rating is still 2812, on this exact moment. World rank 2. He's just inactive. CZcams seems to hate direct links, but FIDE ID 4100018 has a current, official, not estimated, rating of 2812.
@@Vanhaomena I know but it is incorrect.
The only reasonable reply to this accusation about the eval bar is OK BOOMER.
Kramnik is good at chess... just not statistics.
Kramnik talking crap about how hard it is to add an evaluation bar when he literally did that 😂
The guy who made the video added the evaluation bar. How dense are you?
@@andrejbogdanov2816 uhm thats unclear i think he might have had the eval bar on his stream as it would take several weeks of work to edit it in later
Fabi, ever the sportsman, resigns when he had a couple more futile checks available to try to flag him.
You do understand they have increment, right? They played last 20 moves with 2 seconds on their clock. Plus it was mate in the next move.
@@MrOpen2012 I’m aware. Vlad is in Russia, with a slower connection and has had some high-profile chokes under time pressure and Fabi had several futile checks he could have made in the hope of flagging. It is blitz with a few seconds. Perhaps this isn’t the best example for my point, but I generally find Fabi a solid sportsman in an increasingly unsportsmanlike climate.
@@growing9143 Ye, it's really not the best example for your point, but I agree with you about Fabi.
Fabiano is not Italian XD I wish he was
Evil 👿 bar 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ok, if you weren't convinced that he was crazy with the constant online rambling, you can still tell he is crazy because he still clicks on the piece, then the square he wants it to move to in 3m+2s. like, does he not know he can drag the piece? if it is the case that he doesn't know how to drag a chess piece online, then I'm sure the eval bar is just magic to him. Also, I notice he doesn't pre-move the capture at 2:58 or 4:53. if the chess play interface is too much for him, of course he is going to be suspicious of everything. (Does he seriously never pre-move?)
How is dragging better than 2 clicks? How many ms are you wasting on a click?
I'm a perfectly sane, mentally sound adult. I click twice to be certain I don't accidentally move my piece to a square I didn't want it to be on. Mistakes like that can happen. I also have my pre-moves turned off because I play time controls where it isn't really necessary, and to force myself to consider a move before I make it. Do you consider me crazy?
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Man, you can HEAR how Kramnik is *boomerclicking* that mouse. Of course he will be slower than the newest generation, and then goes throwing his "cheater" tantrums.
LMAO
Kramnik is valid to question how processes behind the scenes (involving editors, software etc) could be exploited - now or in the future.
How they remain unregulated within a dubious context of money and content-making (so there's motive and lack of deep interest to expose problems).
And how it's problematic within the NEW, changing, context of chess playing (i.e. online, corporate monopolies, popular players, money-making etc.) that they still remain unknown in their specifics.
The questions Kramnik raises are valid and useful
Liar Vlad has been given plenty of chances, but his system is never explained. Fabiano must hate that he gave this guy a platform ot spout his nonsense.
As much he can be seen as a clown
People do need to remember this man is one of the absolute Goats of chess
As a human, not so much
Not really, he’s not in the same tier as Fischer, Kasparov, or Magnus
@@thebcwonder4850 he literally dethroned Kasparov what tf you are talking about
@@lordtommy8852 that doesn’t make him a GOAT. Even as the WC, he was never the strongest player in the world
Literately a mid goat of chess dressed as a clown, not really worth of the respect a wc would receive
Ban this Kramnik guy asap
I get he was once a great chess player an of course hes still far better than most but he cant get past the fact that the moden generation are still improving an are better than he ever was an he cant understand it or accept it so accuses people of cheating its sad to see
I would agree with you, except I think you are wrong. First, Kramnik was #2 behind Carlsen for years, and that was already beyond his prime. He was over 2800 in 2016, only the 2nd player in history over 2800. Today how many players can you count at that rating? And that's with rating inflation, as it keeps climbing. He's literally one of the chess GOATs. He retired and I don't think he has anything to prove. Second, Kramink has never had an issue losing to players he perceives as "good". If you ever watch any of his TT's, as I have a few, he is usually begging to play someone normal who plays OTB, like Carlsen, Caruana, etc. And he has no issue losing to them, and he is quite critical of his own play (and aware of his declining ability). So I think you are dead wrong in this assessment. The players he resents off the get-go are the relatively anonymous online-only types, which is where his trust issues come in and you can see he immediately starts to find their moves suspicious. Given that there actually are quite a few cheaters and you see guys getting banned all the time, presumably what he is experiencing is more like "delusion" where he starts to think more people are cheating than actually are. So while Kramnik can hold his own against the "classic" players who play OTB, especially in longer time formats, the new population of blitz specialists (with unimpressive classical ratings, but trained to find quick tricks and tactics) are a tough ask.
🤡
This is pure speculation on your part. You're making up nonsensical reasons for why you think Kramnik is accusing others of cheating. This is something we cannot possibly know. I think the most likely explanation is that he just genuinely believes other GMs are cheating. Is his suspicion misguided? Yes, that seems to be the case. However, we can do better than imposing these ridiculous motivations like "he's unhappy nobody is talking about him" or "he can't accept that young players are improving faster than him" onto him
hahahahahahahahahaha
Ладейник 2900
I don't really know what Kramnik is talking about here as I'm out of date with this drama, but neither do I understand what you prove with this video. That you can add an eval bar to a video? Obviously there's a big difference between a live stream and a pre-recorded video. Do you mean to say the "live streams" Kramink was referencing, where there was an eval bar, weren't livestreams?
Hikaru uploaded a video on youtube of his livestream with an eval bar. The eval bar was edited in and isn't a part of his livestream. Kramnik insisted that it is too hard to do that for some reason and insisted that it can indicate that Hikaru is cheating.
First comment
Both of them cheated in this game and some others.
He's a liar and a scammer out to promote his shady company, but be nice!
hikaru deserves kramnik. never back down my guy
@VBKramnik!
Is using evaluation bar cheating?😢 I’d think it would be 🥲
Kramnik reminds me of the Charlie Day conspiracy board meme