SELLING EXCLUSIVES for MONEY!!! Huge Problem OR Is This Okay?⁂ Watcher of Realms
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- Watcher of Realms took ANOTHER STEP DEEPER into Pay To Win today. As of this morning, the game is directly selling exclusive artifacts in the shop for cash. What do you guys think about this? Today it is Zilitu's artifact for 50 bucks. Tomorrow it could be Hex's. And who knows? Are we on the path towards Praetus being sold in the shop? There is a fine line company's must ride when determining how much to monetized this game. I think this is a step too far. Let me know what you guys think! Enjoy :D
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I fully agree with you. Woke up, saw this, and asked myself what the f#*k are they thinking. Take all the goals in game and replace it with a price. Congratulations, this is how you start to go downhill in a game.
this is very well said!
And here starts a massive power creep between different spender groups, Arena will be a nightmare very soon 🥵
yea we are gonna see
I don't like it 50.00 bucks is a lot I pay but this steep but this gives the big spenders a edge
iovar might be a power creep in arenas😢
@@pangolin6473 Yeah spenders will sweep F2P players like me from the arena
@@pangolin6473 Yea I mean an ancient exclusive lord is a fair powercreep. stuff like that is welcome imo
I think there is one small piece of the puzzle that you might be missing, or at least overlooking. The main reason I quit Raid was because I was spending lots of money, much of it on 'guaranteed' stuff, but I still ran into a brick wall and couldn't advance. There are always two components to keeping a game like this alive and thriving, one is available content for you to continually aspire too, but the other even more major component is the ability to feel like you can advance to that content. Once you hit a wall and feel you can't overcome it, eventually you are going to quit, and I would say for the majority of players, that happens sooner than running out of viable new content. I've spent more money on the game than I was planning on, but I've now hit a wall. I can't advance to the hardest content because RNG just hates me. I would imagine that there are quite a few people in the same predicament. The price is something even I wouldn't pay for, even if it was Hex's artifact because it is way too high, but eventually, if I feel I can't advance anymore, regardless of spending money or not, it will lead me to quitting. They already do directly sell heroes, they have for a long time, with the faction packs, just who you get is random between a few different heroes. It might go over a bit better if it was a random artifact from a select pool, (could rotate every time, with one option being one of the 'better' ones.) I don't see that being any different really than selling the hero faction packs. Regardless, I don't think this will 'kill' the game, they should probably just tweak it. But that is just my opinion from someone who has absolute terrible RNG in this game...
Thought of you when I saw that. I'm all in for them to sell stuff so the game stays alive, but there's nothing more pay to win than selling specific gear like that and in the long run, I believe it hurts the game more.
I'm with you on this
Fasti my man! I woke up, saw the pack, and had to do a double take. The kind of double take that is normally reserved for an exceptional deal. Problem was, the double take was not due to the quality of the deal, but rather the principle behind it.
I'm probably safely in the whale category, but nowhere near kraken territory. I've been playing gachas for close to ten years now and I agree with you 100%.
The core of the gacha experience is RNG. Everything is predicated on having a *chance* at getting something, whether it's Prince Kymar (who I never got after 4 years, lol), Praetus, a quad speed sub piece, an ancient with optimal main/sub stats, or a specific exclusive artifact.
People need something to chase, whether they spend money to support the game or not. The sooner people *feel* like there's nothing to chase or no way to progress, the sooner they consider moving on to a more engaging experience. Selling specific, exclusive items is a very dangerous precedent. I hope Moonton reconsiders this decision for the long-term health of the game.
Yea I’m pinning this
This was my thought exactly, well put put
This was my thought exactly, well put!
So in their feedback questionnaire I answered, I had made mention of them needing to adjust what we are getting from AMR. By the time we can clear 18 to solely farm to pull on the mythic forge it should be 80% for mythic artifacts and 20% chance for legendary. We should NOT have any chance at getting epic artifacts. Literally no one is needing anything but mythics and exclusives. Also for the gleaming meteorites WHY is it the same chance to get legendary as it is for exclusives in the exclusive forge???? The amount of gleaming meteorites we can get is severely gated and I would be fine if the rate was 80% mythic and 20% exclusive artifacts OR make it 70-30%? The 20-30% chance you get an exclusive isn't even going to be useful probably 99% of the time because you need to be lucky in getting them for legendary heroes you have. And even then not all of them are BiS. Even at 70-80% chance of only getting mythic artifacts some are still bad. Some are god tier. It still takes a HUGE amount of mythril to upgrade them to max and you still need to pull exactly what you need for dupes to slot in on your best dps or healers.
I have roughly spent 120k stamina solely on AMR 18. I haven't seen a single wailing skull. I have a single scarab and a single euphoric orb. I have 2 Tears and 4 siphon artifacts. Yes this isn't that vast compared to a lot of the long time players but it doesn't feel good. My time/stamina don't feel respected when pulling for artifacts with very high odds to get legendary and epic artifacts when they are useless to me at this point. I have the few legendary+epic artifacts that I "need" at max. I would rather have to farm AMR for mythril to max artifacts and have that gate me than being gated by not being able to pull on a diluted pool of mythics and exclusives. A lot of what is "walling" me for content feels like it is entirely gear and artifacts. I have cleared GR1+GR3 on 21. GR2 is my least favourite and annoying to do so I haven't put as much effort into it but I still have GR2-20 cleared. But it feels really really bad spending 1000-1500 stamina a day on farming gear to not even get a single ancient for numerous days and maybe keeping 1-3 pieces if they have good stats and roll well. If they don't roll well but have BiS stats I keep them for the once in a blue moon hammer I pick up to roll the dice on rolling them to have better stats. Then on the same hand spending that much stamina in AMR 18 and getting literally 0 good artifacts because you pull one mythic and its something like a bastion ring, astral obelisk or a regal crest which has 0 impact in the majority of all content available because if your dps do enough damage your tanks don't need to be "tanky" because everything dies before they do. Currently I am spending one day of stamina on a gear raid then AMR then gear raid and so on so forth. (Its just for the sanity I think because spending 5 days worth of stamina on one specific thing and getting nothing feels worse than spreading it out.)
I love the game I love the grind but I think they could lessen the grind just the smallest amount at least regarding mythic artifacts for players at all stages of the game. It wouldn't affect those already at the "endgame" where you're no longer worried about getting 50k blood in a single run but now pushing for personal best blood in your guild/world. You're at the point where clearing content is a passive thing, you have the heroes to do everything available or are hunting specific ones which is just the gacha chase that will always be here.
Maybe this is just a cooked take from someone who is mostly a minnow in terms of spending but currently I log in max stamina grind a Gear raid or AMR or I split my stam to do half and half with both options yielding next to nothing. (My spending is entirely on stamina in order to try and farm as much as possible.) I currently average 30k blood in NM4 per run. Not seriously concerned with hitting 50k because it is all just gear/artifacts walling me. And I know eventually I will get there. I'm sure there are some very long time playing F2P people out there feeling this frustration and adding artifacts to the shop won't even affect them but it might make it feel worse for them? This is sort of feedback that ties in to your question and concern on the topic. I don't know if you agree with some/all of this or anyone else does but if people do and you would like to use any of this comment as feedback and take parts of this that people largely agree with please feel free to pass any of it on and get this talked about.
Well, as much as I love this game, I feel the game is not dying, but they will pi…ss off a lot of players. Selling the guaranteed artifacts/heroes/gear kill gacha mechanics. Myself, I am playing Dragonheir and recently been having more fun there.
fair enough
To be honest, at this point DHS feels even more p2w, than WoR. You've got very little stamina and almost no way of replenishing it, other than buying it from the shop for wyrmarrow, overall progression is tedious and poorly thought out (you need to have at least 2 fully built teams just to farm upgrade materials from elemental domains), and the seasonal system just doesn't work, especially after new update, that changed 1 season, but left seasons 2 & 3 players with nothing, no new content, no changes implemented in season 1, nothing. So, overall, DHS just wants you to grind every 3 months all of your progression over and over again without any significant changes to how you actually play/
gatcha mechanics dont exist when you can buy as many shards etc as you want until you get the heroes etc....Is it a coincidence the top players have all the heroes! They bought them!! So a crappy artifact that is a fraction of the cost why not buy it! Only diff is they will spend a lot less buying an guaranteed artifact, than buying a hero from a banner at all costs.
All exclusive "gear" should be obtainable, not by Paying....but grind and effort=time spent
I think they should keep crach's exclusive in the shop on a permanent basis as a joke. I do think the whole thing is a step in a bad direction, really hope they are not planning on doing this again.
love it!
To address your final point, I think that’s why they have (allegedly) nerfed ancient drop rates from raids. I feel like they are trying to extend the gear grind to keep people playing longer while they try and figure out some new long lasting end game content.
havent got an ancient in well over a week, honestly it gets to the point where summoning is a waste of time if you can never gear the hero with gear that can push content.
I didn’t like the ancients in the shop… I don’t like this either. I was a whale. I’ve spent a lot of money on this game. Mostly on summoning and stamina. Exclusive Artifacts were a reason to farm VR. It kept the game with a goal. I love the game but now it’s going in directions that are not good.
you bought aall the heroes and avoided the gatcha experience now youre not happy that the minor artifact point can be bought....not many will buy ths tbh.
@@user-xn2oe3pt1p you have no clue what I’ve done and haven’t. I didn’t avoid a thing. Did I summon more than a f2p? Yes. Have I done more farming than a f2p can? Yes. Have I been lucky with summoning and drops? Some would say I have, others may not. Do I have a strong account? Yes. Did I earn every bit of it? Yes. Was it easier because I spent? Absolutely was.
@@Viceroy0187 yes I have a clue as you said you spend a lot of money! spending money in this game lessens the rng of getting certain objects/heroes so if a player is spending to get certain heroes on a banner and will spend thousands of dollars to get them, really then the only difference is we know the actual cost of obtaining a certain artifact. Spenders cut out the rng factor by a huge factor (sure it will never truly reach zero). So there is no difference, might as well sell everything in the shop! How selling one thing is bad and another thing isnt is really strange unless I'm missing something!
I'd probably buy packs of the meteorites to forge the exclusive artifacts, because I can't hit nightmare void. But this is bullshit
I hear ya. Buying materials is like buying chances. Buying something guaranteed undermines the game imo
@@fastidious_gg thing is fastidious while I agree to a point - you the rng diminishes to almost nothing the more 'rolls' you do of anything....so the fact that you can buy any type of object means that eventually you will get the thing you want, only variable truly is the cost.... is it chance that the top players have all the top heroes!!! No they bought them by diminishing the rng to near zero, not zero but near...so honestly sell whatever, it actually makes sense.
you know the worst thing about selling everything is that they are decreasing the droprate of every good things in the game like must have heroes like silas hex, etc also good items with good stats ........
I find more value when you grind and finally get that object you were striving for! I get some people don’t live like that but I enjoy the experience of growing my heroes/roster to challenge tougher content. I’m very mid game so I still find the daily grind fun.
Fully agree. I had an immediate negative reaction to this... And you put it into words exactly.
Sad man, I've nearly fully switched to dragonheir now just doing the dailies and gb
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well good for you I just exported my newest DH vid. will come out tomorrow or tues
They need to have a event shop for the exclusive artifacts. You could use the gleaming meteorites in two ways one a chance for forge or the other way use for currency. You could get more gleaming if they had another way to gather gleaming meteorites give them a story line you can farm from to add to vr
On your thought about maxing the game out quickly by paying and then getting bored, I agree. One of our guild mates had that exact issue. Whaled so much that he had about 15 A5s, but didn't bother do even complete half the content. Didn't even bother to get past gear raid 18 because he didn't see a point. Then he just stopped playing. All that money wasted for nothing
Sadly, a lot of people hardly think about the principle of things these days, especially gamers (casual and non). I hear you tho, Fasti, and completely agree. It's a bad precedent and principle to start. I don't want it.
agree, the true color of fun in this game is trying to conquer your way with the heroes you got of your gatcha luck. if paying to win is the new color, then quitting might be the best opt
i think the best way to combat people paying for things like this is pity systems...choose the exclusive artifact you want the most, if you havent gotten it by the time crafting X amount of times exclusive, then you get it...dont just offer this up, make this an offer for people who have zilitu and have crafted exclusive artifacts a large amount of times and not gotten it, because RNG makes games like this fun, but it also makes them increddddibly unfair for a lot of people, and i absolutely understand being willing to pay 50 bucks when youve spent 1000s on different elements and done things to get exclusive artifact crafting materials and still dont get what you want
Expect the fucking expected
sincerely did not expect this
@@fastidious_gg fr? My gut told me they gonna be wild with the special packs and well... My gut's never wrong
For me, it comes down to what your goals are. Is your goal to beat the game? Then you might spend money to do so so that you move on to the next game to “beat”. If your goal is to work towards certain goals in a game that you enjoy, then you might not spend. The latter group might not care about arena and overlord but they’re working to beat that n9-15 and nightmare void, etc.
I think many have a skewed opinion of this. There are two resources people can put into this game, time or money. Both are used to get things in game. Time gets (earns) rewards by doing daily quests, completing events, or creating guides and videos about the game. Money gets (purchases) rewards such as rare/ancient summons, stamina, etc. Both are ways to get resources (gear/heroes) and progress to end game. Aside from a few skins, I don't think either way has something that isn't possible to get the other way. I don't think that someone who has money to spend is worse than someone who has time to spend. And I certainly don't think getting something sooner is going to cause someone to quit sooner. If that were the case, then the same argument could be made for the person who gets lucky and manages to craft the artifact the first week they complete nightmare void rift. Should we not allow someone to craft artifacts for a certain amount of time then? Or maybe once they craft one there should be a timer before they could craft the same one again? From my perspective, if there is money coming into the game, that is a partial guarantee that the game will continue. There is no guarantee that someone who is grinding after anything will stick around and help the game continue. It's like the old saying, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I think the opposite side of the coin to your argument could be, what if someone can't get lucky or can't purchase a certain item. Wouldn't that make them quit the game sooner?
Not saying my outlook is fully correct, just saying I don't see a lot of comments where people take it into perspective. Most seem to be a knee jerk reaction against monetizing this specific thing.
Hmm. I certainly see your point, the only thing is that, and please correct me if I'm wrong, there is no "pity" system for exclusive artifacts, right? With the 40 (guessing) exclusive artifacts that exist, that means that there is a tiny chance for you to get specific character's exclusive. Now, the price point is crazy, but being able to shortcut a grind that has no specific end? It doesn't really bother me that much.
Let's put it differently: suppose that when you get a legendary to 6* ascension/level 60 you got a quest from a visiting hero that rewarded the exclusive. That would even more clearly devalue the artifct value as something "won," but it doesn't seem anywhere as objectionable.
As for the general point about selling heroes, it should be noted that many gatcha games will have a pity system where you can garuntee specific characters with enough pulls. That said, those are games like HSR, that are really about story, PVP or so on.
A majority of gacha games ive played have gone this route exactly. From gear to character's, they will sell you average to above average quality items to help players feel as if they're catching up or closing the power scale between them and their competition.
It doesn't benefit the company to directly sell extrmeley OP units or gear (Praetus, Valderon, Silas, Hex Arti) because no matter the price, the average cost of resources / time spent playing the game to pull these rare items and units will outweigh whatever price tag they place on that particular sale.
There will be a point in the future where even the current OP units will be power crept. Where your SSS tier unit is now only a A+ to S tier due to the new character releases and harder content. At that point, it would make sense for them to have direct purchase sales for said units and items.
This Zil arti is the equivalent (probably less) of them selling you a Salazar up front. Its like... cool? But you're not a whole heck of a lot of change to your account with that.
Now as you said. The minute they come out with a Praetus or Silas pack, while they are still the cream of the crop top tier units, then we all have an issue. And whoever directs sales for the company should be fired, because people are willing to pump hundreds if not thousands just to gamble at the chance of possibly getting those quality of units.
I don’t really care because I’d never spend money on things like this. Whales gonna whale anyways. For free to play players though, it sucks. The good players that can compete just get blown out the water and don’t even have a chance. And this is crossing that line
Honestly, who cares you get tons of them from void rift, I’ll just take it as I’m saving a few hundred bucks by already having the content done
I want Hexs exclusive. I would definitely pay for that. This game gives players ALOT for free. I don't mind what they sell because no one is being forced to buy anything from them. The one thing I liked about eternal evolution was you got the hero on the banner after 60 summons. I spent way more on eternal evolution because it was easier to get extra copies
At first I didn't care. I thought people can spend and accelerate their progress as they please, and that people are going to play however they choose to enjoy the game the most. After this video, I still kind of feel that way, but you make a really good point about general game culture. It takes away from being able to post in a chat "guys look what I just pulled!" Because someone could come in right behind and say they just bought it. For the individual, I don't care. For the culture, I don't like this.
What I want to see is better summon and stamina bundles. I'd even buy those, and it doesn't take away the RNG. It just allows you to take more RNG chances. Great video man.
They should up the rates on exclusive for gleaming because it’s not 20% I’ve gotten legendaries many times from gleaming and still haven’t gotten a single exclusive
I think you have solid points, and I can 100% understand people being upset about this. I'm not one of them, even though I don't plan on buying this pack. I'm right in their target demographic tbh, i spend quite a bit, and i've had HORRIBLE luck with exclusives lately (until today, it had been 4 weeks without getting a single exclusive, broke the curse with Aspan...) but I just don't think it's worth $50. MAYBE if i didn't have her artifact i'd think more about it, but adding 3 tiny little levels to one I've already had for awhile isn't worth to me. It'll be interesting to see if they keep doing this though.
10000% agree! Saw this stupit and game destroying offer this morning and feel soooooo bad
The beginning of the end. Such purchases will have an impact in each aspect of the pvp. It's not just the arena but also the GVG.
No game lasts forever but Moonton really pushes people quitting sooner
Looks good, thank you for keeping the servers running.
i agree with you on this !!! somethings should not be monetized.
Big Agree that this is not good for the economy of the game. Hopefully this is just a test and it does not become a normal day to day pack. Also big Gratz on almost 14k lets get this man to 15k he deserves it!
I’m a spender, and I agree with fasti. Buying bites at the apple is IMO going to allow the game to last longer, sell/buy all the chances your heart desires, the buying skins idea was a good one also. I’m not into buying specific items or hero’s to advance your game play, I haven’t bought the Eona pack for this reason. Like a claw machine, do you want to play the game for a $1 chance, or just pay the owner $20 per stuffed animal till it’s empty?
@fastidious so whats ur take on guarenteed events like 250 shards for a champ? r u ok with that or no?
yes? these can be completed and saved up for f2p
you say that the price doesn't matter and I agree in the context of this discussion, but price definitely is a point that concerns me. What if they make Hex's artifact 150 bucks? Will they just make a ton of op artifacts now, make them super rare from the forge and sell them for a premium?
but yeah not a fan of this
yea fair point. my point was saying making them directly available at all for purchase is a problem, regardless of the price. I hear ya tho
Discouraging steps by Moonton. I decided a few months ago I will not spend a penny until further as things have been going south. Seeing these in shops: summons - sure, skins (as long as it is not p2w) - sure, gear & exclusive artifacts - big no.
I totally agree with you. Purchasing more chances to get something is 100% different than just straight up purchasing the item itself. The whole RNG thing is what kind of equalizes the whales and the F2P players. The idea is everyone has equal chances to get something, whales should just be able to separate themselves from the F2P players by purchasing more chances at that RNG. Just my opinion though.
I don’t mind it. It’s a pay to win game. My problem though is why is it so damn expensive?!? I’m just scared that this game is going into the Plarium route of making everything expensive
I started my "gacha" journey with Marvel Strike Force and a bit of SWGoH and that style where you can pretty much buy characters when they come out. Lego, I ran the ill fated Lord of the Rings game journey. This is the first one I've done where it's more of a lottery/slot machine rather than grinding nodes for character shards or "if you have enough money, you can have everything." I really enjoy this method. You can be the luckiest person in the world and snag one of these killer characters and have a blast. I got Arrogance on like my 3rd summon and he's carried me hard up to the plateau I'm at right now. I got Hex within the next week and I'm freakin' pumped. In the other style, I'd probably have to pay for them or grind his material node for months. When people pull a Silas.....that is freaking amazing. I guess I like this style better because you have to do the best you can with what you have and not paying for success.
Obviously, you can spend. I have a bit but it's not as critical as the node grinding in SWGoH or MSF.
No, this is unequivocally fucked up. cosmetics should be it. It's insane that they aren't shitting out cosmetics for every hero left and right. They miss out so much on a healthy stream of income, and instead take away drop percentages from summons. Their priorities are just fucked.
I do agree this feels like them testing the waters. If anyone buys this, they need to do better.
Yes, a lot of people don't get the point, most people behave sort of like a frog in a steamer.
I think thats why they do it, because spenders will at one point be like no, I'm not spending anymore because I've spent x amount of money and the RNG fricked me over, and it can be a massive deterrent to people who do spend that they aren't actually guaranteed anything through spending masses of money and keeping the game afloat, we basically all accept your summons are always going to be RNG dependant but other elements, id be mad as hell if I spent £2000 over the course of playing and got nothing for it. They will always lean towards spenders because at the end of the day they allow the game to run, but as long as they don't ever sell anything that impacts gameplay that can't be farmed in someway then im like make your money and bring us content
Maybe jump to 12:00 to hear my points there. You make solid arguments but I truly think overmonetization and cashgrabs in short run could very easily LOSE THEM MONEY in the short run
@fastidious_gg yeah I think it's gonna be hard to balance it. As there were so many people who swore of spending even though they knew with the hero packs they had a chance of bad one and got it lol. But then yes the game getting to easy to fast has its draw backs aswell, no developer can develop new content quick enough for that kind of demand
I'd rather have meteorite packs and Artifact events where there is a higher chance of getting a certain exclusive artifact. People will spend on those packs to increase their chances of getting said artifact. Some will spend a little, some will spend a lot. But, it keeps the RNG there and doesn't cliff face the artifacts behind a given spending point.
I don't always agree with you but this time you are on point. I am an endgame player, been doing vr nm since forever. I ussually get crap exclusives, if any, but at rhis point it does not bother me. What it would.bother me is the powerups bought for real money, from the ingame shop, those who would make the difference in, let's say,.arena or gvg.
I really like reading comments disagreeing with me. Sincerely it is great to hear and engage with other perspectives. But PLEASE actually watch and listen to my points first. So many people out here fighting strawmen
great video, fully agree. I hate this pack. As you already said, one of the main things of such games is the factor luck determined by the probability of getting things. Luck can somewhat balance the P2W / F2P experience. If you buy flawless meteorite, shards, energy etc. you will not be guaranteed to get a specific item / character etc
Thanks for the mother's day wishes! And as someone who can't do NM void rift at all and can't complete hard I don't get very many chances to make the exclusives so I'd probably buy a really good artifact like Hex's. Just like if they sold a pack with a Vierna or Khamet I'd likely buy that too because RNG has not been on my side. If I'm going to spend money at all on the game I'm much more likely to spend it on something that is guaranteed. Is that kind of thing good for the game? I dunno. It might keep me playing longer because it would allow me to progress. But if I continue as I am, pulling the same crap and useless leggos and getting nothing to help me progress I will just get frustrated and quit.
So there's really two sides to the coin.
if u cant make the void rift maybe u are not in the point to get the exclusives , u think about that?
I agree. The story content of this game isn't strong enough that I would stay if I could just buy everything.
I like the gamePLAY.
Who likes games with predetermined outcomes?
I know they did the random legendary faction bundles but mark my words, the legendary hero selection bundles will hit the shop at some point in the future, its all about extracting as much cash from gullible whales pockets as possible.
Arguably, if the price was 1 $ per your example, I think it would be worst then if it was 100$. But I 100% agree with you it shouldn't be in the game no matter the price. The problem also is that it's a first step into a direction that makes the game worst for most players. Let's hope it is not the beginning of a new tradition. Oh and also, there is a difference between raising your chances of gaining gear by buying energy, it is still RNG in the end but here you get X gear for Y amount of money. It's to specific of a transaction, which makes it worse imo. Plus like you said, when players buy deals like this then they no longer have long term goals to aspire to and the game become stale indeed. This is no bueno but at least it's not an issue for those who don't pay for deals like this one.
This game keeps going in different ways, and I hate that part. I understand the money-making part for them being on the business side of thing, but first, the gear and now exclusive artifacts come on, give your head a shake other ways of making money
I agree. it feels very often like one step forward two steps back
@fastidious_gg, And I totally agree with you. I dont care about the price at all just make the grind feel useless at that point
I get all your points but tbh in this case I find myself pretty indifferent. From my understanding her artifact isnt exactly a game changer like Hex or Silas. And with how rng exclusives can be, for many people this could be the only copy of it they get. Though I think they should tackle that a different way, maybe an exclusive artifact shop that’s on rotation? Sorta like how we’ve been able to buy Lust, Reve and Setrams.
Making moves like this is what kills these games off so quickly.
Wasn't Praetus, Solcadens, Valderon and some others sold indirectly through the global summoning leaderboards?
To 3 people on the whole server and for 10,000 bucks +
Ain’t the same
I think spenders are more concerned about not getting something because of bad RNG rather than straight up buying stuff and beating the game easily then having nothing more to do. Only way to know for sure is to get a heavy spender on the channel and ask what they think about it.
Hi Fas. you make some good points but in the end I'm ok with them selling the artifact. I don't compete against those players buying them anyways. If they made the mistake to sell heroes it would change my mind. Have a great day Fas. I stayed to the end.
Same here. Once they start selling ancient exclusive heroes, I'm out
I am totally fine with this. Selling exclusive artifacts sounds nice to me. The chance to actually pull them is so low already, let alone being able to properly level them up.
The only thing I’m worried about is creep to arena even further. Hear me out, with the new free lego odyssey event we need to get to overlord, but I swear Everytime I get close I face teams with really hard to get champs. People don’t realize just how hard it is to get to overlord. I do 50k blood and nightmare void rift and I can’t even get to overlord. How will people do that quest when the event comes. What if they introduce an exclusive that wrecks arena even more and sell it. That’s what scares me
Whilst I am LOL'ing at the fact my brutal tongue-in-cheek comment got read out, I did provide some more serious input after which I will paste here 😅
The thing to understand is... As long as non P2W players are able to farm their way to the same point as P2W players then it's OK, the P2W thing just helps people speed up to endgame. But the moment there becomes a clear separation between P2W players and F2P (even with long-term grinding), that's where they start to alienate their playerbase and the game population steadily declines. For F2P players the carrot has to be dangled, even if it's a long-ass journey to get there
i hear ya but I disagree. It is one thing to sell stuff to speed up the grind. It is another thing to sell things to skip the grind.
@@fastidious_gg I think people take their own fun from it, so, for some people they find the enjoyment at being competitive at the top level (or maybe rolling over all the lesser competition) but they don't want the long game/grind to get there - that's a sentiment I can understand but I don't share, I've been in the position you mentioned about where it sucks the fun out of the game and you end up quitting because of that (WoW private servers springs to mind), for me personally I take a lot more enjoyment and value from the long-term earning of something, overcoming those obstacles on the way. Others may not feel the same way, and a lot of them will drop off as you mentioned. Others may stay on, it's personal preference at that point buuuuut I do think it starts to become a slippery slope. The moment they start locking things behind a paywall, that's where it becomes a death sentence for a game
I made it to the end of the video. I agree with you Fasti. This is not good for the overall health of the game. They could easily be pumping out cosmetic skins for heroes and make money that way. First they pushed out ancients with guaranteed substats and now this. This isn't looking good.
slowly playing less and less beaten everything for a while now just doing gvg and gb honestly waiting for wuwa can't wait for you to play it
I'm okay with this. I believe this is WOR's resolution to negative feedback on obtaining exclusive artifacts from Void Rift. The duration, plus luck, times one chance per week, is a problem.
As I said a lot in discord I really dislike that they’re selling exclusives. I want them to keep me on the hook so that the money I spent doesn’t go to waste on a dying game and I can enjoy it for a long time to come.
as long as it can be acquired freely, i think its okay
The game definitely isn't dead and the gear dungeon and demon crusade shows this. GD2 (with another 2 expected) is definitely something to aspire to. I've been playing this for over a year and im mostly f2p (I don't get anywhere like the cc rewards that Fasti does...I occasionally get rewards when the Devs remember).
What I'm trying to say is that there are always going to be new challenges. Ok, whales are going to whale and at the end of the day they pay for the game for the rest of us.
The F2P experience is always completing the content with the heros you have. New pvE content landed on forerunner and I had great fun beating the first of those levels with Shamir and Carosa (very unpopular debuff mage).
$50 USD ?! REALLY? No thanks. It's an artifact. A digital download of a piece of a character. This is BOGUS. $5 YES. $10 Maybe. Anything else THE GREED IS REAL. I agree with you on the skins. Everyone in the game should have an extra skin. That we can EARN. Not purchase. I passed on the Reve skin because of the expensive price.
As for the purchasing the gear, the armor and accessories that enables victories in GR-1-3 /19-21 , at this point, yes. As long as it's that elite ancient mythical gear and as long as the price isn't exceeding $10.
Buying a legendary? Again, people are on budget's these days. It's a digital download of pixels. Be realistic. $10-$15. And I'm only slightly agreeing on this because one loses their patience with getting hardest to get characters. For me, it's Deimos, Estrid, Luneria, Boreas, Vargus.
All that aside, I do have a serious legitimate concern about the Arena: is it Rigged? I mean are their hackers/cheaters getting away with rigging/cheating the Arena matches? If my BP is near 300,000 , but I'm constantly losing to players who's BP is just over 200,000, is it that good GR21 gear they have? Or is it that there's players manipulating the gameplay through dishonest methods to cheat to win? I'm fed up with losing constantly to player's who's BP is much lower than mine. I only go against them because I can't hardly ever beat the players who's BP is above mine, unless I see their lineup and realize they chose The wrong type of characters for the challenge
I agree that there is a lack of things that you are working towards. That was the addiction when you first started playing the game.
I agree I rather earn heroes, gear, and etc… i just hate when you save up 200 summons on a 15x banner on certain heroes to get some below average leggo. I rather the banners be like x amount summons faster to get any hero pity. Go from 200 pity to i don’t know 100 pity
Considering the ability to get the mats to make an exclusive is VERY minimal and then the change to get an exclusive artifact is very poor, so selling one directly is fine. You want to still wait weeks and then have a very poor chance to you can...if you don't want to wait you now don't have to. Can still earn others to to level it up you still can.
A better solution would be being able to farm the mats at say level 19 of artifact material raid. Limiting it to only void rift is bad.
Is funny, because mother's day was 1 week ago in my country. For the matter, all would depend of how hard is to get exclusive equipment, like if u would need liek half/a year to actually gete her by chance. And even with that, i disagree this gets monetized
I watched entire vid BTW. 😁
Really appreciate that
I actually wouldn't be completely against the odd ancient champion being sold. I'm not a big spender and so Ancient leggos don't come along a lot. When I played Raid, I spent a lot trying to get Taras, and obviously, it would feel much better to pull him from a shard, but sometimes just you can't, and I 100% would have bought Taras if they sold him
At first I didn't really mind the offer (wouldnt buy it anyway) but my mind was changed by your words in terms of the life span of the game. Just selling people what they want is counter intuitive to the overall growth of these games and I hope Moonton can understand this message before it's too late.
I agree on these statements on the end of the video!!
I don´t agree about the pricetag is not important, "no matter if its 1 dollar or 100 dollar". It really is important for me. Compare this price with Elden Ring DLC that is having a release this summer.
In my currency Swedish krona (SEK)
4999 WoR Currency = 499 SEK
Elden ring DLC is 39,99 Euro = 468,19 SEK
And im being like, 39,99 Euro for a DLC is pretty much... and I love Elden ring so I will probobly buy this xD. When you sell 1 item in a game for that price, that is insane. If this item is like BIS for Arena, then it also would ruin the game. If you are a top Arena, PvP enthusiast, then you would feel forced to buy the item, or quit the game. (Im not a pvp guy, so couldnt care less).
I mean the pricing does matter a lot for me. I would spend more in a Gachagame if the pricing was reduced. I am a believer that this type of games would make more money if they would reduce their prices. I dont like P2W, but with the standard today im starting to think about it as Pay to play. The reasoning being that you don´t get what you want even if you buy stuff but you get faster to a point that you enjoy playing the game more.
If I spend small amounts here and there in any game is fine because it is a free game. Either I pay for a game or I support the game with small transactions during a longer period of my game time. When the micro transactions turn inte macro transactions it is anoying and this might be the beginning when the game starts losing more players...or Not, I dont know :)
Edit: I watched a little longer into the video, and I do agree with you about buying energy and summons. AND I want more cosmetics into the game. For a reasonable price, I think they would make huge money on that. I League of Legends i think I spent like 200 Euros on skins alone during a timespan of 2 years. Because you want skins on your favorites, and you sometimes even buy more skins for the same champion, even if you just can use 1 at a time. :) Skins or armor or whatever, is so much fun! I think looks does make these games better! :)
I'm not for it, but I'm not exactly against it either. The key from my perspective is that it really depends on the frequency, and volume/purchase limit, of these deals.
There are enough things in the game that are already creeping power that the selling of exclusive artifacts, or even potentially heroes, may not really impact that game's content completion in too problematic of a way. But the release of these deals has to be a "slow burn" that matches the release of new (ideally engaging, see pelagios codex) content well.
The cost of the purchase is a different discussion entirely and feels like people are missing your point, because it could certainly become a problem if implemented poorly.
this is the usual way in games with real money stores. realease the game -> create content and a few codes -> let the game run for a while to generate players and give them a little time to commit to the game -> then the questionable store stuff comes -> then the developer moves on to the next game and the current one runs in maintenance mode 💥💥
Makes me question the real “luck” I had in pulling Zilitu last night, conspiracy theory. I’d like to know the true pull rate on her on the lead up and while it’s available.
I'll trade you the 4 asswhores I pulled for one Zilitu.
I agree with you man. Price don't matter. This takes away from your accomplishments and takes away from that moment when you pull what you been wanting. Right now if I pulled a hex artifact it would be exciting similar to pulling a ancient exclusive lord cause that's how bad I want it. If I could just buy it... I mean what am I even playing for
It's their backup cashgrab since Falcia rerun didn't sell that much 🤣🤣
I think its a bad idea. The worst thing is that every gacha game I've played goes like that. They start pretty decent and then they try and milk everyone as much as possible ruining the game. It's never good to be able to skip playing the game with paying money. Summons and stamina and suff like that is ok to sell as they contribute to you PLAYING the game not buying things directly
Here's my issue, talking about luck and RNG. I'm a still fairly new player, 3-4 months in, out of the game's life of 10 months.
My most recent "wow this sucks" experience in the game, wasn't gear farming, no. It was when I hit Artifact Material raid stage 18, farmed the heck out of it, got enough Flawless Meteorite to forge 25-30 artifacts and got maybe 5-7 mythics? With the vast majority not even being (useless) Lgendaries but EPICS?!? What is this? How is the rate of Epics highert than Mythics, when I forge it from the Mythic resource? Absolutely bonkers.
So while you, and I'm sure a lot of other people were lucky enough to get Hex's exclusive artifact, there will be 10x, 20x, 50x more people who spent way more resources (and or money) and they still didn't get it and they are the ones thinking of dropping the game at this rate.
All I'm saying is that, sometimes, if possible, you have to try and help your luck. Same goes to this "insta" Legendary card/item that they are selling from time to time, you get some random Legendary, yes it is stil random and not targeted one but it is a Legendary nevertheless. Give me an option to forge only Legendaries and Mythics, put Epics on 5 or 10% if you have to but not on 30% over 20% for Mytihcs. If they will be putting/keeping odds like that, I will be totally for having targeted Artifacts on sale. I like the game but I hate that is gacha game, as my luck is abyssmal......
To be honest. Yeah it is a test. I feel how is it different than the 250 guarantee for limited heros? In general, I hear that allowing ppl to buy ancients and specific artifacts leads the game to end faster. The amount is irrelevant. To be fair, the game pushes legendaries a bit too much. Not because you are just unlikely to be excited on other pulls. The longer the game goes, the more they will make.
I literally started 9days ago… saddens me that the game is taking this route… I already spent 200€ and would be willing to spend more. I didn’t see the offer and this is the kinda stuff that would make me doubt about adding more money…
Bro, your response to the taiwan comment. Hilarious.
Having these Kraken Snacks seems to be more of a way to dodge the RNG and save time for those with disposable income. It does widen the gap betwixt spenders of various types and lessens the excitement of PVP. This also makes the game itself the primary challenge, perhaps this is a way to get players to spread out in-game objectives.
As a low spender. I feel that selling these items. Is fine.
I saw It and thought ok, interesting. Then saw the price and went nah.
I can see the interest in having an exclusive for one of my first few powerhouses. For example I started during the valentines day last banner. Didnt have the chops to get the exclusive artifact. I dont think it would be an issue to spend 20 or so for an artifact and some other goodies. If it could make my 1 champ help pull me through some waves. Doing it in bulk for all my heroes would ruin the experience. It really comes down to restraint. Saying it hurts the game is silly, let the whales ruin their own experience by removing all long term goals.
I'm close to 50k blood and I bought it but he did thirty thousand less damage with his exclusive than the +25 Flux pendent I have on him normally
Is zilitu artifact even strong?
I'm ok with 1 dollar price tag. If deal is going to stand indefinitely. Because it's basically like saying we will just give it to everyone. (Just like eona bundle).
Time to time, giving out to everyone is ok i think.
But really trying to sell something to people flat, instead of giving out, i am not ok with.
I totally agree, they've made it too easy to pay your way and race to the end game. Now the game has nothing to offer and I can't enjoy it at all
It's perfectly fine, as long as you don't mind being called a giant pay to win game.
I totally missed this. Looks like it was only up for a day and I don't look in the shop that often. Anyway, I'm torn on it. I HATE how much this game is about gambling and chance. You could spend a year playing the game and not get the heroes/gear/artifacts you want. So I definitely think there should be a way to get specific things. Not sure how I feel about straight buying it though.
At this point it won't be too long to see very rare heroes at the shop as well.
Next they will sell gear raid 1 2 3, 21 complete in the shop.
Lhfh nvm you literally just answered my question in the video
I think this is ok. I’m also ok with the banners as long as they are mainly repeat and only one new banner per month.
can you elaborate a little?