How Orthodontic Extractions can change Facial Profiles
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Today I'm talking about my patient Christina. Christina presented to me with some really severe crowding. When we have a look at her facial photos, you can start to see some of her concerns. I mean, the crowding is quite severe and it's even apparent that she has a crossbite between some of her front teeth. But what might not be so obvious and a little more subtle is that her lower jaw is actually very large and very prominent. You can see the lower jaw sticks out a lot further than the rest of her face. When we start to have a look inside her mouth, we can see just how severe that crowding is. She has a cross bite here, a cross bite there as well and one there too. So really there just wasn't enough room to fit all of her teeth in the proper alignment. So with Christina, what we had to do was remove some teeth. Now that wasn't to create space. But more so actually to deal with her facial profile. We did orthodontic extractions of premolars and we had Damon braces for 18 months together with bite turbos and elastics. And this is the end result, which we were able to achieve. A much wider, fuller smile in perfect alignment. Looking inside her mouth. We can see just how severe that crowding was. And here, she's already had those teeth extracted. And here they are all nicely aligned. So this is the before and after result following orthodontic extractions. So, Christine was in the unique position of having a very forward a very prominent lower jaw and following the extractions we can see that her lower jaw has been brought back more in line with the rest of her face. And in this picture, we can see some of those subtle differences that has made. We can see her lower jaw is less prominent and not quite as full as it was before. And its also made her jaw a little bit slimmer. So she is very happy with that result.
1:54 "her lower jaw is less define" why is he saying that like it's a good thing. They should have used palatal expanders. She could be susceptible to sleep apnea and other problems now.
I am getting 8 teeth removed for braces omg
@@BadKid95US dont do it
@@BadKid95US unless you have extra teeth they are fucking you over! It can ruin ur face
Thanks!😁 i might get those i dont have enough palate room cause of headgear orthodontists dont always have you in mind
@@travisbrontide4524 too late :/
my face is ruined
haha jk idk if there is much of a difference tbh
I don’t have extra teeth buy my teeth are jus tso big copared to other people who have small teeth mine are so wide and big like wtf
Who would want a less prominent jaw?
Peachy Lust- it generally would stick out too much, that's why.
Lila. D so the fuck what.
Lila. D that’s what makes you more attractive
MaskedJoeeey I can agree also but not for everyone.
1:52 he was about to say it !!!!!
She looked better in the before treatment. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her lower jaw in the before photo, and the prominence of her lower jaw was harmonious to the rest of her face. She had fuller, forward facing lips and overall facial features in the before photo than in the after photo.
Orthodontists extracting teeth like it's nothing will be an absolutely ridiculous practice in several years.
I agree with you and you are saying exactly what I was thinking. I thought that the before and after pictures were switched because she looks better before and worse after. In the before picture her Face is more symmetrical, her complexion is even toned, and she looks more youthful. I’m the after picture she has on the thick glasses, and she looks much older and tired.
stop the cap
I agree. I'm so f--king bummed that my teeth were extracted, but the knowledge we had at the time of my extraction was the knowledge we had at the time of my extraction. Wish orthotropics was a thing we all knew about 10 years ago. I look similar to my mom except that my mom's face is fuller and she has aligned teeth even thought they're SpongeBob teeth like mine, probably because she grew up in Laos, whereas I grew up eating American food. My face is narrow in comparison to my mom's and I have less chin in my side profile lol Oh well, I'll just wear the face that I have now proudly for the remainder of my life. It's an argument among orthodontists that sometimes patients inherit large teeth from one parent and a small mouth from the other parent but both of my parents grew up in Laos and have perfectly straight teeth, and all of my siblings (5 of us) have overcrowded or cooked teeth there must be more to this than genetics at play.
Another anti extraction warrior, get a life lol. Looks way better after.
facts
What a load of crap! Her lower jaw was fantastic, but you screwed it up. Her mid face area is the problem area and needed to be expanded proportionally. It is criminal to extract and retract jaws. That is the degradation of our health.
Thanks I God I am reading through these comments because my orthodontist suggested removing my health first molars , now I am no way gonna let them touch my teeth
I JUST WANT A SHARPER JAWLINE THESE VIDEOS ARE ALL SO INCOSSISTENT ITS DRIVING ME INSANE
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"her lower jaw is less def- uh less prominent"
🤣🤣🤣
LMAO
Awkward.
he exposed himself. evil orthodontists.
1:30 she went from superman to clark kent
She went from jawline no non
She looks better on the left in my opinion!
Bubble Gum Girl well nobody asked
I don't think it was necessary to extract 4 teeth
It isn't they do it for money if the teeth are healthy dont give into it even if they act like they know what there doing proper tongue posture asap is the fix
Travis Brontide if it’s extremely crowded no matter how much expansion you do, you really can’t save teeth.
@@Bhiladpy-up9uy no you can. There are other methods and appliances
@@Bhiladpy-up9uy, did you have teeth extracted is that why you're saying something so stupid? I went to 2 orthodontists and they both said I needed 2 teeth extracted my Mom was like that's not happening and we went to a 3rd one and he said I didn't need extractions at all. So I got braces there. They don't all make you get extractions for money they do it because that's how they were taught in school.
@@onekingaj1004 i never had teeth extracted.
I had a similar problem for years, my Lower teeth were perfectly aligned, but my lower jaw was too big compared with my upper jaw, it started to move my upper teeth forward, my TMJ muscles gave me terrible pain because the bad alignment in my bite. the procedure enhanced my features and relieved the pain.
But definitely some people that did it looked worst compared with their before, this girl looks amazing.
Or have you stopped to consider that it's your upper jaw that wasn't expanded proportionally? You just stunted your potential for a broader, better nasal airway and forward midface growth. Far healthier and aesthetic. Your dentists screwed you over.
To much jaw protrusion can look bad too, the distance between my upper lip and nose was alright.
For someone with very small lips, having the upper jawline expanded might actually look better.
@An13 I'm going to tell you as it is. Your lower jaw IS NOT the problem. Your upper jaw IS proportionally underdeveloped compared to your lower jaw. Smaller jaws is a dysfunction. Ask your self. We're you breast fed for at least 2 years, did you have breathing related allergies growing up aka were you a mouth breather, and did you chew enough times and tough foods? That should reveal to you why your upper jaw is underdeveloped. Use it or loose it. And your orthodontist just mutilated your lower jaw. You should be angry about that. Go read up/ look into jaw hacks and Dr. Mike Mew. Better help you navigate your situation.
No. Her face profile looked so much better BEFORE the treatment.
She's lucky she had such a perfect jawline, so after treatment, she ended up looking kinda "normal". Can't imagine what this would do to her face if her jaws were not so forward...
It's absolutely ridiculous that you think that her side profile looks better now. I guess you got used to seeing flat faces... 1:33
Extractions have to be done in certain cases. In this case, she had a more large lower jaw which isn't normal.
@@No-Stack-Developer Her jaw was perfectly normal. Shut. Up.
I've just had orthodontic extractions and I can't stop crying bc I'm seeing so many people saying their face look bad now. MY FACE IS OK I'm not the most beautiful person but rlly I don't have any ugly features I don't want to look ugly pls help
Update: so I still have brackets on, but I'm almost done! I was 18 when I got them removed, now I'm going to turn 21 and so my face has changed, but that being said I like my face even more now. I still have to get my wisdom teeth removed, been delaying that but will do in a few days. Wish me luck! Will keep updating. I am hoping to be done with my treatment by the end of this year (2023)
I did research before but when I told my dentists about it they said that nothing bad was going to happen but I just can't stop thinking about it
I had my teeth extracted almost 4 years ago. Got braces and everything, and honestly I regret wholeheartedly. But I know people who’ve gone through the same procedure and loved their results. And either way, you’ve already gotten them extracted, so there’s nothing that you can really do now but hope for the best❤️sending love
Look up extraction regret syndrome online this will help reverse your damage from extractions
@@themarkus6472 internet solutions vs actual expert opinion... Mmmhhhh
Cool.
He has to be the best looking dentist ever.
Try telling that to my dad...
You guys are making it seem she look so much different… she doesn’t.
My teeth protrudes so much, my ortho wants 4 out, my jawline is sharp rn, i don’t want to lose it, I’m afraid I will lose volume, so many people have said there face is worse, so I’m thinking of pulling out two, can you put me on to any knowledge.
@@ruthezenweani4152 it really depends on your profile right now please don’t worry so much changes can be subtle and some severe but that’s normally because they’ve already had flat faces and generally no lips, you facial structure will change regardless of any procedure if you like it or not really depends on your personal aesthetic preference but truly don’t worry just hope for the best and remember not everyone is the same
@@dayagarcia8159 I have big lips and wide and prominent cheekbones and my ramus is low and my jawline is long and sharp
@@ruthezenweani4152 truly you’ll be ok and if you don’t want the extractions you can ask them they can’t force you to do something you don’t want to.
@@ruthezenweani4152 update?
She looked way better before i feel really bad for her
I don't see anything wrong with her.
She look better after
Wtf she looks better after her cheekbones look so enhanced
Yes, she looked youthful
I had orthodontic extractions when I was 14 they totally ruined my face.
where you had them upper jaw and then they pulled everything back with headgear'´´ RIGHT?
Same me :(
@@derboss3949 ya i tried it then stopped i was able to tell it was fucking up my face it messed up my lips & never let them pull healthy teeth out! proper tongue posture over a long time fixes/prevents crooked teeth tribal people have straight teeth but you cant sell proper tongue posture
Me too o had extractions done at 14 im 15 now and got the symptoms instantly instead of 5 or 10 years ago I don't know if my wisdom teeth will help
Same exact thing happened to me.
Wow she had model tier amazing forward growth before, now her face is flatter, less prominent, fat developing under the chin… more prominent nasal labials folds.. you truly messed her up dude! Here face is less harmonious…
At 1:54 he stumbles over his words by almost saying her lower jaw is now less defined..
exactly the video i needed to see. my side profile is similar to her before and the after is the one i’d like. crazy. calling my dentist tomorrow!
We have got to drop the idea that women should have “less prominent jaws.” She didn’t need extractions. She didn’t have a “bulldog” jaw like an extreme underbite by any means. Her original jaw was fine. It was defined and looked good. This treatment flattened her facial profile. While that is the beauty standard in East Asia, it is not the ideal aesthetic in the west, and it can cause various functional issues. Extractions should be a last resort option only used in a select few cases.
So you ruined a beautiful jawline?
A bulldog jaw? Yes he improved it
It's better now as it made her look more feminine.
LMFAO, relax 😭😭
I did the same😩
Her jaw was really rough though.
Actually, she looks better now! You can see that her side profile improved by getting less protrusion in her mouth
extractions lead to health problems and function
@@ruthie8973 Extractions lead to recessed mandibles which leads to a narrowed airway...it's a domino effect that will cause health problems as one gets older (sleep apnea, undereye circles, nonrestorative sleep, heart problems, issues with memory and concentration, gastrointestinal issues....the list goes on and on). Please look into mewing and the discussions around how braces and extractions change faces.
@@RS54321 i have severe protrusion, did your teeth poke out really bad? If you don’t have severe protrusion you shouldn’t extract any teeth
@@ruthie8973 what do you mean poke out?
@@RS54321 the fact that you don’t know what she’s talking about shows that you definitely don’t have the same issues that people who benefit from extractions have.
She looked more attractive in the first picture. Should've put braces in and kept her teeth. The doctor shouldn't have pulled her molars out. She would've appreciated it's final result and with her natural teeth more.
what do you mean, she did put braces in
her after is still beautiful and personally i prefer smaller jaws
modern Soft food brings aesthetic problems and functional as well as health, go back to the roots and eat hard food our ancestors ate
@@Flyerbeklol a strong jaw line is definitely attractive and 1 of many signs of good dental health. 💯 and most dentists won’t tell you this since it’s not beneficial to them$$$$ they make a killing off off others
@@Anonymous-pk8bk a strong jawline is different from a big jawline. Men have big jaws not women
@@fischy947 ok...😕
You've been conditioned to prefer that, I think. A strong jaw, for both sexes, is a sign of health and vitality.
The only thing that I don't like about it, these procedures tend to enhance nasio-labial folds, in my case I didn't had a lot of tissue around my cheeks, but it can make look slightly older.
Of course they do b/c they are retracting and flattening your face, which shouldn't happen.
@@RS54321 that’s what I’m worried about but her after doesn’t look that bad but I’ve heard people say their faces are sunken now
@@ruthezenweani4152 Her face wasn't too bad after b/c her mandible was already so far forward (which imo is ideal b/c she has a super open airway). Most people will have flattened, lengthened, narrowed faces and eyes (no prominent cheek bones) and a recessed mandible (no definite jaw line) which will cause one to look older than one should as they age.
@@ruthezenweani4152 People of color usually have better facial growth, so these procedures can look better, caucasians usually have flat and small mouth areas so it looks sunken a lot of the times.
@@RS54321 my face look broader from one side...bcz other side doesn't have wisdom teeth. Left side looking much much broader..n wisdom teets are causing difficulty in eating. Will removing these will make my face look thinner
I think the result looks beautiful on her
she was better before she had full lips without any fillers, her jaw was nice without fillers, better if she chose veneers or crowns
U are right.....one should go for veeners than this curse braces
her lips were fuller before extractions
The face is better before. It is somehow younger, vibrant and fuller, I think in the after she has lost some midface, it has been set back. The bit just under the eyes. I would be interested to see her without the glasses. And how this is for her in about 15 years time. Better to have slight crowding and a nice face then the dental arch made smaller.
Omg!!! Finally a video that answers my question of whether facial profile will improve with adult braces or not. There's hope for me yet!
do not extract teeth
@@Flyerbeklol your not a dentist... the f*ck we listen to you for?
@Sara kadi so we're supposed to let the wisdom teeth push all of our teeth you moron? And got one extracted and my face hasn't aged!
@@actuallyimapanda if you want to have a recessed jawline and weak chin then go ahead and get extractions.
@@KFC-rl9wr oh I did get one,wait actually...yeah I got 2
I actually like her face in the before as well…
Omgosh this happened to my face after braces but my orthodontist didn’t explain that to me, thank you. I love my jaw line now.
I honestly don’t even see a difference but good for her I guess
She looks amazing in the after photo! Crowding and over bites are the two main reasons to extract teeth there for there should be a better result after braces! For the people that have had extractions for braces don’t be scared’ you’re going to look amazing!
really
@@aachalkaware4325 yes :)
The point is the problems come after years
@@koohletit1453 which problems
@@aachalkaware4325 sunken face with a loss of jawline/bonemass and recessed maxila, sleep apnea which can even cause some brain damage becuase not only is the brain not getting enough oxygen but it doesnt get filterted out as good as when you breeth through your nose, tmj, weaker immune system...
She looked better before
I had 4 mine removed CANT wait to look like a super star
Update?
Update?
oh. well.
Midline is not marching
Her lower jaw was perfect before...she just needed her arches widened a bit to allow room for her teeth to straighten. Thankfully her protruded jaw still looks alright even though it's been retracted with the braces. However, now there is less room for her tongue, and you extracted 4 perfectly healthy teeth. This barbaric practice needs to end.
True. You are absolutely right. I got 4 teeth extracted when it wasn't really needed. Now, I have a sunken gaunt face and the orthodontist just wouldn't listen. It's a mess. I paid so much and they made it worse. I miss my old face.
@@brijmedia3406 damn my ortho wants me to extract 4 molars, Im afraid of a sunken face, I think i should start with extracting 2. Im non white, I have a low ramus and sharp jawline, Im afraid I’ll lose face support and volume. If you could start over, how would you do it.
@@ruthezenweani4152 Am a non-white too. If I could start over I wouldn’t do it, since I didn’t had an overbite or underbite to begin with. It was a mistake.
@@brijmedia3406 so your mouth pokes out too much
@@ruthezenweani4152 No, only misaligned teeth. Extraction wasn’t needed
Yeah, the difference in her lower jaw is quite noticeable. Her facial profile certainly changed
Her face looks better afterwards, it's more balanced
I got a tiny jaw and the orthodontist want premolar extractions like bruh
yeah dont it will make it tinier and uglier and cause breathing issues and far more health issues on the way for the rest of your life
@@lightthatfire4012 i got extractions because it was the only option bc I got a canine sticking out way out of line and already crowded teeth. I don't say I regret it, spaces are halfway closed but definitely some jaw resoprtion, looking to get jaw surgery after
@@lightthatfire4012 but you're right, most people dont need it, a good orthodontist will offer non extractions first and if you dont like the protursions then you can decide to do extractions
why didnt you use the paletal expander? youve ruined her face...
Tf you mean orthotropic nut her face is so much more pleasing. Making her palate wider wouldve made her uglier. Her face has better harmony now
@Sara kadi how tf does her face look older? the after she has a stronger looking profile.
Ok, yes, there was a retraction, but to say he ruined her face is on another level. What's up with you all, drama queenies?
Call me a weirdo if you want, but I much prefer her right photo. Looks more balanced and feminine to me, although the left is not bad either.
Well if she's happy with it.. What's there to complain about
Well you see intelligence like yours is rare on this planet. stupid ppl
God, you're so handsome. I hope they do not extract any teeth from you, hotshot.
Ur gay
Gay guy
@@Sariine436 bruh we all gay
Does wisdom teeth removal change cheekbones and jaw and face structure if all 4 are removed?
Yes, mine did. I don't like the result unfortunately ☹️
@@mscelcie omg sorry to hear how long has it been since removal and how many did you take out?
@@johnfreeman3147 did yours change?
Update?
@@evelyngonzalez901 I had mines pulled and so far nothing changed it's been months
Braces and upper premolars extraction ruined my face 😢. Worst decision of my life.
People are speaking to stop doing extractions yet dentists keep doing this. They should BAN this practice. DO NOT EXTRACT PREMOLARS!! She looked better before. Wider fuller face with great cheekbones
Her jaw looked bigger
Recessed jaw damaged jaws.good work keep it up
Congrats demons
My jawline is very similar to the first photo and my orthopedic suggested 4 extractions, I don’t want to lose volume, but my mouth pokes out so much, I’m thinking about extracting two first
@@ruthezenweani4152 noooo get a facemask and palate expander and orthotropics. that will balance your jaws without damaging your face.
@@deadbeats4417 well palatial expanded don't work after a certain age . so there isn't much they are able to do. that's what my dentist said . also face masks I don't there is any difference.
He was sassy.... I want him as my dentist. 😭😭😭😭 I want to put head in his lap and forget all the pain please help 👀
😂
jeez, calm your panties
you don't understand facial aesthetics, "doctor"
poor girl he just ruined her beautiful jawline
She looks better
@@pretendfriend1417 she looks wore now. She looked better before the work was done. In the after picture she looks aged and you can see her nasolabial folds. The dental work has aged her.
Perfect alignment? The midline is off center! Don’t talk nonsense to us! The midline does not match !!!
Judging from all the comments seems like there are a lot of ppl on here who went to school for orthodontia... braces are not for purely cosmetic reasons so to say he didn’t need to do this or that while having very little knowledge about the subject is very intriguing 😉
You know what you'd regret this retractive orthodontic treatment when you learn about Orthotropics.
@@firstname5556 you're right, 4 years ago i had braces and just this year i found dr john and mike mew's channel and i really regret wearing braces
@@Noname-ii6co any facial changes b'coz of braces...????
@@rohithamarella8528 yes, my face grew longer and flatter 😞😞
@@Noname-ii6coDoes that looking so bad...??... I had my braces recently.. & I'm very much afraid of my face🥺...
Traditional orthodontists proving the Mews right one case at a time. You ruined her beautifully forward-grown face by amputating teeth instead of just expanding the upper arch, which would have made her even better looking.
Extraction is not good for face shape
Then how it possible teeth alignment
what about braces
@@PushpaRani-ru3lq proper tongue posture asap preferably from a young age but you cant sell that
@@PushpaRani-ru3lq The teeth can be made straight with good tongue posture. The tongue should always be fully on the roof of the mouth, while the person breathes through the nose, all day. The tongue will widen the upper dental arch and the lower dental arch will become wider as well. So, the teeth will be straightened slowly. This is especially important for children, as they are young enough to change their facial shape more effectively than adults.
Look at the CZcams channel 'Orthotropics': czcams.com/video/MPZBVmzAO1M/video.html
that depends smh
how many teeth does she have on her upper jaw? i am having my wisdom teeth and 2 molars removed on the upper jaw and i will have 12 upper teeth as a result? is this normal?
edit: my teeth are genetically pretty big.
U ruined her face wicked doctor
Don’t do it
I like my jaw... fuck this i dont think i want them out now
same 😭😭,, how are you now? Did you get your braces?
Why do I feel like if I do this, my cheeks will droop
U are right dont go for braces
@@manpreetkaurbabbar404 I mean I already have braces
@@manpreetkaurbabbar404 why..??... Are braces going to change your face ..?
@@alexjuarez8907 same here😕
they will
Are we talking here about wisdom teeth removement? I have them all 4 out and im not sure if i will regret that later in life..
what about your face
is your face flater or slimer ???
@@secario2135 if im honest, i see zero difference
I majorly regret having it done (4 wisdom and 4 premolars), but I was 12, so I had no idea what would happen. Decades later and I'm experiencing the side effects of this barbaric practice (undereye circles that never go away no matter how much sleep I've had, tiredness, recessed mandible, a double chin even though I'm thin, poor side profile, premature ageing in face, not enough teeth to chew with so eating takes way longer...the list goes on and on).
@@RS54321 yeah in summary thats 8 teeth, thats much.. i think when its only the 4 wisdom teeth you see no difference
Any teeth removed is going to have an effect on the facial structure.
The midlines don’t align..
yea she looks better
I don’t see much difference to be honest
just wait a few years
Terrible! So you just f up her jaw and airway.
Mobile no was not working
Thnx for this vedio ....i got extractions and im so afraid that it would ruin my face shape rather than enhancing it...but now after watching this vedio im feeling relief that it is going to gud
same haha
check out orthotropics CZcams channel. Hes informed & wants the best for you
@Finn he keeps saying its highly debated in other words he doesnt wanna piss to many people off that make a living for fucking up peoples faces. that sometimes you can turn out ok but theres no reason to risk it they should separate teeth to make space instead of pulling them out a wide pallet corelates with proper breathing & attractiveness
Hey can i ask how does it end?
Hey Please post how it has been? PLEASE
I can't see the teeth, all I can see is you're a good looking Doctor 😅
Her face looked better before
I am 20 and I have to remove my first molar from all 4 sides. Will it change my face ?
i am 20 too..same suggested to me ...do u also faces reduce tounge space
You don't have to have your premolars removed...look into palate expanders and save your teeth and face!
@@RS54321 my ortho is doing a palate expander but i still will need to have 2
premolars extracted how will it change my face
@@haileymock1879 If they are doing a palate expander, why do they want to pull your premolars? I would definitely get a second opinion!! The expander should widen your palate enough that all your teeth will fit properly.
If you do get the premolars extracted, the teeth anterior to them (your incisors) will be pulled back to fill in the space that the incisors took up. This will give you a flatter profile, thinner lips and possibly recessed jaws. Not a pretty picture.
Yes, most likely for the worse.
Your jawline will almost always look better after getting braces (especially if you have an overbite). Don't just blindly believe in what people here are saying. She clearly had a facial imbalance, and she looks way better in her second foto.
What the fuck, no her face dropped and her posture worsened. Why would you say something like that, it’s objectively not true. Her face was healthier and more youthful.
Is this chick Tongan or Samoan? We look so similar
everyone in the comments are coping, her face looks more harmonious after extractions, her lower jaw was too forward grown
what? ”too forward grown”
no one can have a ”too forward grown face”. also forward is the wrong term. nothing moves forward.
plus had you met her in person you’d see that the previous one look way better
She went from hot to not cause he pulled teeth out whitch your not supposed to do
@Finn no mesay no noooo
@Finn you need glasses
@Finn no one else said that.
@Finn 1:54
@Finn the jaw size isn't a problem and the shape is still fine but you can't deny it's less defined
check out orthotropics CZcams channel. Hes informed & wants the best for you
How is that girl wanting to pull a teeth out got anything to do with you? I'm getting my teeth out and like that girl it's also none of your business
shes tilting her head in the before photo that gave the illusion of jaw looking more prominent
what a clown
nope. it’s the whole head that changes, unfortunately. lower jaw takes another position against the rest of the head. sounds nuts but is true.