Finders Keepers - Nick Knacks Episode
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We close out 1987 with a look at Finders Keepers, Nickelodeon's attempt to make lightning strike twice with a children's game show. Why didn't it seem to work? Why did the host change between the cable version and syndicated version? And where did the show find the most success?
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Hope Andrea still has her shirts
She Probably no longer has the Double Dare one but still wears the Finders Keepers one to this day even though it definitely doesn't fit anymore.
This hits home for me since I am from the Philly area and have volunteered at WHYY pre-COVID. I had a conversation with a friend about how public television can't even afford Sesame Street first run anymore and that actually make us really upset due to it being behind a paywall now. While WHYY needs the space for local programming it definitely can benefit from a huge deal show to occupy the space for financial reasons. Fresh Air with Terry Gross is now the biggest show to come from the affiliate even though it's on NPR/WHYY radio.
"It's not diversity."
Me, instinctively: "It's DiGiorno."
Really really want a 12 hour Laybourne interview
Aka the first draft of Legends of the Hidden Temple
Yep.
Don’t talk trash about the legendary Neil Buchanan! I loved Art Attack as a kid 💕
Greg on Twitter: "Well, there won't be much to say in the next Nick Knacks..." ::casually drops 30-minute video::
When I look back at Finders Keepers, I look at all the other game shows Nickelodeon had over the years: Think Fast, Make The Grade, Get The Picture, Nick Arcade, Legends Of The Hidden Temple. None were as successful as Double Dare. R.I.P. Double Dare One Hit Wonders.
The record score on this show was $975. This was achieved by one team being so dominant in the hidden pictures and room searches. When they showed the losing team, one of the two kids looked like they were about to cry because they only won $25 from the first hidden picture round and nothing else. I actually felt bad for this team.
I was enlightened by your breakdown of the scoring. As you pointed out, once one team got past $500, their victory was assured and the other team didn't have a chance to come back. By making Round 2 hidden pictures worth $75 instead of $50, perhaps this was an attempt to lessen the possibility of one team having a runaway game, but there were still flaws since there was a highest possible score of $1,000, and winning $525 or more meant victory was assured. Compared to Double Dare, where the highest possible score of each game is undefined due to the amount of time spent on asking questions and taking physical challenges, which could change the game dynamics considerably until the end of the game.
The creators of Finders Keepers should've put more thought about how to fix the scoring system.
@@good03boy Maybe tinker with the scoring and have teams play towards a certain goal, then playing the hidden pictures sudden death round as needed?
I'm remember this. Yeah that was the biggest beating, ever.
When I was a kid, I remember having a book called Finders Keepers that, at the time, I didn't realize was probably a licensed book based on this show. I remember the book was about a kid who really, really wanted a computer, then stumbled into an alternate dimension gameshow where he could win one. In the book's version of the show, they'd give him a riddle and send him back to the real world, then he had to find out what the item was and bring it back to the Gameshow Dimension. And there was a weird plot twist where his babysitter or stepsister or something was actually born in the Gameshow Dimension without knowing and one of the backstage women on the show was her sister.
God it was weird.
There's a tv adaptation of the book. They changed the title to The Finder to avoid confusion with the game show.
Finders Keepers also introduced blue teams a change which Double Dare would adopt to begin their third season in early 1988
I can't state how important this is for visual acuity. Having two visually contrasting teams in a setup like this is vital. Especially if most of the contestants aren't easily distinguishable to a 9 year old looking at a glance. If i was a kid in 1988, I want to see who is team A and B without needing any extra steps.
"Finders Keepers. You weren't as good as Double Dare. Rest in peace."
Well damn. Even in death it just keeps getting compared to its big brother and coming up short.
Finder's Keepers: The Captain Britain of Nickelodeon.
The room search rounds were infuriating to watch as a kid. Hidden pictures I could play along with no problem - it was next to impossible to scan entire rooms at home and find the object before the contestants did. And when stuff was hidden behind doors, underneath or inside of props, next to impossible becomes totally impossible. Unless you were a contestant, it just wasn't fun to get into the game.
I'm rooting for you to get that interview with Gerry Leybourne. Anyway, I enjoyed Finders Keepers as a kid, though I don't think I'll call it one of my favorite Nick game shows, but it had its charm. Though if Wesley Eure was let go because he was gay, it was a crappy thing to do. I think if someone hosted a kids game show today who turned out to be gay, it wouldn't be that big a deal with most people.
Wesley Eure was probably hired to do Finders Keepers because of his involvement on Land Of The Lost. At least, that's how I see it.
He said on his blog that he was replaced because they wanted "someone younger"
Listening to Harvey cackle at Andrea's answer gives me life.
I never knew Neil Buchanan did Finders Keepers in the UK. He's more well known for doing Art Attack, a much calmer show, so he must have been very out of his element.
Because of Finders Keepers' set, I believed until I was about 9 that all tv house sets on sitcoms were built like that. Then I saw a behind the scenes special of Hangin' with Mr. Cooper and they showed that the stairs in the living room lead to nothing and my mind was BLOWN 😂
It would be awesome if Greg could track down Andrea and interview her.
The front game of the UK version was basically taken wholesale from a game show called Eye Guess, created by Bob Stewart and hosted by Bill Cullen, airing on NBC from 1966-69.
As someone who wears hearing aids and hates cleaning, the concept of this show works so much more for me than a shallow pool full of chocolate syrup. Plus I love fake houses.
I'm loving this series of yours with its deep research and commentary! I cannot wait to see the episode based around Are You Afraid of The Dark and Pete and Pete however far away that may be.
IMO Kalehoff’s best Nickelodeon game show theme, along with all the many variations of the 30 second room search cues.
Andrea was a little lady who knew what she liked lol
Imagine if Marc picked a different kid that liked Fun House or Slime Time instead.
Finders Keepers was the only other Nick game show to have Harvey as announcer.
Neil Buchanan was actually part of a heavy metal band in the 70's before getting into the kids presenter market during the 80's for Saturday Morning shows. Later had his big break with Art Attack and Finders Keepers followed after. That over-keen presentation style was pretty common on both CITV and BBC's Childrens Blocks. But that might be because we had a lot of in-vision continuity that the US networks didn't have. At one point people were wondering if Neil was the famous Banksy (he claims he is not)
Almost all his stuff was for TVS who were one of the regions creating content for ITV. Sometime after 1993 Disney brought their entire library - seemingly only to create their own version of Art Attack, and since have sat forever on the rights for anything TVS ever made. There was also talk at some point of Nick eventually buying out CITV and taking over that programming block, but it never came to pass.
Hearing it was off Nick for a while in '88, I never knew Finders Keepers was in syndication as it wasn't aired in my area, but I remember Double Dare on a Fox station .
It was in my area...both FK and DD. While DD was popular when in aired in syndication (we talked about it on the playground and my elementary school did a DD- homemade assembly) FK went over like a lead balloon.
@@urbanpreppie05 Don't recall ever talking about DD in school, but I always felt I lived a rather previleged life for having cable when a majority of kids in my area didn't. It always felt like you were different when talking about something nobody else saw because they only had antennas to watch. Cable in the 80's did that to me.
Once Marc Summers heard about Fun House, he was like,"Man, Now that's competition there! They got a larger facility, a race car grand prix unit, some cheerleaders, a nerdy goofball more silly than Harvey,. How is Double Dare supposed to compete against this?" Simple. Move to Orlando, Florida and rename the show Super Sloppy Double Dare. Heck, invite 4 member families to compete on the show. Fun House lasted till 1991. Double Dare, 1999 and beyond.
Is Neil Buchanan not known in the US? He was the host of ITV's Art Attack for almost 20 years! The show aired in several countries (including here in Canada), but I'm assuming it was never shown on any American stations?
I'm 30 and do recall seeing Art Attack here in the USA for a brief period on Disney Channel and Public TV in the mid 90s:) Otherwise, I don't think he was a household name over here.
All of Neil's stuff was done for Television South who were an ITV region franchise. They lost the franchise to Meridian in 1993 and then sold their programme library and show rights to Disney sometime after. So even ITV doesn't have archive access to anything TVS made, and Disney has 0 interest in letting anything TVS made out of the vault.
I can attest to "Art Attack" being known mostly to people outside the US. I remember watching it on the Latin American Discovery Kids in the Bahamas; despite the network being the Latin American feed, it was one of the few shows that aired in English.
Best tv show ever! This show needs to come back in the states! I also hope someone someday posts a full episode of Citv’s Finders Keepers from 2006 someday as that’s the only season not on CZcams
Watching this takes me back to my childhood! So many fond memories. I loved watching both Double Dare and Finders Keepers equally. 🤗
I remember watching this show back in the 80s and only seeing it maybe once or twice and I thought it was cool at the time. I kept waiting for it to show up again. The fact that the schedule appeared to make it disappear confirms my thoughts on why I never found it being on back then.
I’ve often wondered if the slate of game shows in this era paved the way for the revival in the 2000s when those kids grew up.
Stranger Than Fiction was a great movie, it taught me you're never too old to go to space camp.
I looooved this show when I was a kid! I loved the idea of being able to run through and trash a house, haha!
Ah, game shows were my jam as a kid (and to some extent, they still are). I think I may have discovered Finders Keepers before I discovered Double Dare (though if I did, it wasn't by much), but the syndicated version looks more familiar to me. As a 6-year-old, I loved hidden picture activity books and scavenger hunts, so this show looked really fun to me and I was too young to realize the flaw in the point structure (I wanted that home game and my parents never bought it for me, probably a wise decision on their part). I discovered Nickelodeon in the summer of 1989, so Finders Keepers wasn't around long for me, so I had a nice nostalgia kick when I caught a few episodes on GaS when I was in college. And I think you're on the right track with how they didn't fix some of the production issues. I was a contestant on Jeopardy a few years ago, and speaking from experience, it is a tight production schedule. If there had been an issue with Alex Trebek (RIP) reading a clue during taping, they'd have him re-record his read during the break when they were getting set up for Final Jeopardy. There really didn't seem to be a "post-production" in the traditional sense. And this is with Jeopardy having a higher production value and being able to use their own studio/facilities, unlike Finders Keepers. At any rate, I'm looking forward to your other videos on the Nick game shows, because I love pretty much all of them.
I agree, Nick's game shows were my absolute fave. To this day, I'm a game show buff because of Nickelodeon. I'm still hoping for a kids-game show-renaissance, I think todays kids could benefit from it.
@@CartoonsAndGameShows Hey, I'm in my 30s and I still wish I could do a Temple Run.
No way! You were on Jeopardy? That's awesome. What is your real name and how did you do? Also, when were you on? I was so sad when Alex Trebek died. May he RIP. What was he like in person? I'm loving all these Nick Knacks videos and I'm a big game show fan myself!
@@johnmeisner9389 Alex Trebek died from Stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer at 80 years old but survived it for more than 1 1/2 years even at a less than 9% survival rate! But he wasn't the only one to succumb from the disease. Another personality, Stu Rosen (Dusty's Treehouse) also died from cancer a year earlier. Like Trebek, he too was 80 years old.
Sweet. New Nick Knacks! This show and DD were shown in Philly on Channel 12 when I was a kid.
I wish they kept this show. I remember really liking it and wondering wjy it went away when Double Dare didn't.
11:11 I like that the show was unpolished. That's the problem with game shows today. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
This was a NYE gift to me specifically because I loved Finders Keepers and I LOVE Nick Knacks so having this episode to watch - PEAK!
Like I've said in the past, Nickelodeons game show offerings had a very profound effect on me growing up. I didn't see Finders Keepers til 2002, when I was about 12 and seeing it in reruns. I honestly really liked the program and thought it was a good companion show to Double Dare. I've always found game shows to be healthy programming for kids, so I find Peggy Charrens comparison of kids game shows to "70 toy-based programs in the 80s" as inaccurate and her comment, "kids trashing houses to win their own CD player" as MISSING THE POINT. Marc Summers even said that if you were to take the prizes away from Double Dare, kids would still wanna play:)
From the sound of the quote, I think Charren's issue was less about having game shows at all and more about having another game show so similar to Double Dare.
I'm spreading the word on my Facebook page. Just in time for the New Years. Nick Knacks is the number one show on CZcams I always look forward to!
I was looking forward to this one, I only had the vaguest memories of this, and it drove me mad for years
Finders Keepers seem to start a streak of bad luck when it came down to game shows on Nickelodeon. The game shows that came after FK (Think Fast, Make The Grade, and Get The Picture) didn't have the impact that Double Dare had. The next Nickelodeon game shows that had an impact was Nick Arcade and Nickelodeon Guts.
I really liked Think Fast as a kid but I seem to be on an island there, going by the reviews I've seen. And I only saw the second host, Skip somebody. I liked Make the Grade with Mike O'Malley (though their attempts at physical challenges were usually pretty lame and shoehorned), but the replacement host was a total disaster, one of the worst hosts I've ever seen. Get the Picture brought O'Malley back (or just moved him) but I honestly don't remember much about how the game was played. Think Fast had greater variety in how the games went and Make the Grade was a good general-knowledge quiz show, if dry at times, so from a parents' perspective they were probably less cause for complaint.
@@pronkb000 The 2nd host of Think Fast was Skip Mackey. The 1st host of TF was Michael Carrington. Mike O' Malley never hosted Make The Grade. O' Malley hosted Get The Picture and then Nickelodeon Guts. Lew Schindler was the 1st host of Make The Grade. Then, the 2nd host of MTG was Robb Edward Morris.
Ok, I knew O'Malley hosted two shows. My child's recollection is that he and Schindler could have passed for brothers. Robb Edward Morris, though...hoo boy. Probably a nice enough guy but boy was he not cut out to be hosting a kids' quiz show.
Double Dare One Hit Wonders!
... wait... the host of the ITV version.. isn't that the guy from Art Attack and the Smart Artie segments of ZAP! The TV?
@@DigeeTheGenie huh. We got those on TVO. Always liked him.
Who is NOT Banksy (he claims).
I discovered this show on Nickelodeon GAS when I was around 11-12. I've always loved it and I would also love to see a reboot. EDIT: I guess the version I watched already WAS a reboot? Thanks for teaching me about the FOX version!
The UK Version looks like a lot more fun than the Nick version tbh. The host has a fun vibe
Doesn't look too bad to me.
this was my childhood
I cannot wait until the creation of the Nick Jr. Block (even if informally it was touched on). This was the block where I got my love inadvertently of Japanese anime, through Noozles, Grimm's Fairy Tails ( which was aired on Special Delivery), etc. As for Finders Keepers, well, the game is admittedly busted, but kids in the UK/US will admit we've all wanted to tear through the house without having to deal with consequences.
I used to credit Pokemon for introducing me to anime, but it was really Nick Jr. I loved Grimm's Fairytales, The Littl' Bits, and Noozles.
@@Lynn17 I hated the Litll' Bits for cancelling Today's Special and still do to this day!
I watch the show all the time on Nick Gas. I also watch Nickelodeon guts, nick arcade, double dare, figure it out and Legends of the Hidden Temple.
Wow. Some writer really made a Tom Stoppard reference on this children's game show. Bold.
Maybe this is why I used to have weird reoccurring dreams about strange houses. I was only 5 when it aired and it probably sank into my subconscious. I still really want to go to space camp too...
This is an exceptional series and channel. Thank you for your efforts!
Love these videos but keep your Buchanan dismissal to yourself, friend. The man genuinely IS kids TV for near three decades of British children.
"... or at least it wouldn't happen for another 5 years."
It's for the best. _Legend of the Hidden Temple_ was a great show.
Also...Wesley Eure portrayed Brian Foster in "C.H.O.M.P.S." (1979) with Valerie Bertinelli, Conrad Bain, Chuck McCann, Red Buttons.
Regarding the host of the UK version of Finders Keepers from what I've seen of british TV shows, though we may find those sort of hosts off putting over here, that over the top "try hard" style of hosting seems to be more of a norm over there and some members of the british public seem to eat that stuff right up. Also, I wonder if I'm the only person that cringed pretty hard when the term "try hard" was used. I can't hear that without thinking of a certain very negative internet subculture.
Hmmm... I first heard that term like 20 years ago by a British comedienne. If some toxic internet community is overusing it, I get it, but they certainly didn’t create it.
tbh when I think of the term "tryhard," the first thing my mind goes to is the punk scene.
the best advertising space camp ever got a whole movie where they made it seem like you'd actually go to space
still funny to me that the Pizza Hut tie-in with Nick had bits from this show, after it had already been canceled.
I loved this show as a kid. I even had had home version, which was a joke that I regretted wasting a birthday wish on. It was one of those games that as you played it the first time, you were already sorely disappointed because, well, you weren't trashing a house. lol. Rather, it had you shuffling through little boxes of trinkets and whatnots. I'm willing to bet it was played fewer than 5 times.
I vaguely remember, back in like 2008 or 2009 probably, there was a little spat between Larry and Wesley on MySpace. I can’t recall what it was over, specifically, but I remember Larry not looking good in the matter. I know that’s no help since I think all of that is lost to time and it was so long ago, but it’s something I do somewhat recall...
So next time, Nick Jr. I am excited for that. It has an interesting history in that one time it was discontinued, and than came back.
@Dusk Raccoon Yeah that is what I meant.
They made a board game based on this, which, sadly I had. You would have to find items hidden inside boxes if I remember correctly.
Wow, another episode so soon! A New Year's Miracle! (Just caught up on the show in the last few months, and love it.)
11:02 - I like Curious George's Diddy Kong cosplay.
Finders Keepers was always my favorite show to watch for some reason. I just LOVED the house.
Space Camp, the only reason to go to Alabama.
I want to thank you for explaining the game logic. As much as I like the premise and the ambience, holy crap you are so right that you could be a total dolt and still sneak to a front game win if the other team is catastrophically awful at the Room Search.
I only ever saw a few of episodes of Finders Keepers. It vanished before my Nick viewing got hardcore. I remember loving the room searches and hating the image-finding. I associated the latter with "kid's stuff" like Highlights magazine, so it kinda made the whole thing feel like "Double Dare for babies."
I think the scoring system should've been $50 in round one for both hidden pictures and objects and $100 in round 2.'
and the instant prize shouldn't have been the same as obstacle 8 in Double Dare. it should've been obstacle 6 or 7.
I wonder what that little Finder Keepers fan is doing nowadays.
Bro this unlocked a core memory, I remember catching this on GAS when I was younger
I have watched so many of your videos! They bring back so much nostalgia. Have you ever thought of reviewing the show Get The Picture?
I...never knew of the British version of the show. Amazing that it not only found success but blew up there.
Saw this show when I was 7 in 1991 on Nickelodeon at the time 🙂
But... NEIL BUCHANAN! I grew up watching Art Attack!
I loved this show... I remember watching it at like 5-6 am on Nick GAS. Good times
obviously not as fondly remembered as double dare, but I did watch this one as well. yeah it sounded like it had some serious 'balance' issues, though!! Nevermind the controversy around the syndicated version, that sucks! :(
Nick Knacks twice in a month? SWEET!
You miss a big point. This show was badass to watch as a kid. Sure it may be flawed but it was lots of fun. I loved it as an 8yo.
You know, I liked this show so much when I was a kid and without fail I'd actively cheer on the red team. But, looking at the scoring format on Finder's Keepers, I could easily have seen myself as a contestant. (Meaning, not buzz in to a single question, nor search a single room. No, I'd have let the other team FAIL and then just get the points. Which was also what aggravated me about the show)
Excellent retrospective look you did on Finders Keepers, Greg. It’s amazing how this classic ‘80s Nick game show had so many flaws and was not quite as good as its previous game show, Double Dare. Yet, it was still just as entertaining. At least, in my opinion. Don’t be surprised if they decide to bring that program to the Paramount Plus library. Don’t be surprised either if Nick decides to resurrect Finders Keepers back to life during the 21st century, especially after the COVID-19 pandemic is finally over.
Be sure to also check out my comment I left for the Double Dare retrospective video.
czcams.com/video/wGw1ycQkg4o/video.html
I look forward to more great Nickelodeon game show retrospectives you’ll be doing in the future, especially Zap Trap,,,I mean, Legends of the Hidden Temple. . That will be quite a while until you get to 1993 though.
I best know Neil Buchanan from his show "Art Attack" that aired on TVO Kids from Canada that I got to watch over the air in Detroit growing up.
Good episode, and much as I enjoyed FK as a kid, the scoring system was definitely flawed...nice that you threw in the Double Dare clips with Andrea, as well!
I went to Space Camp as a kid! Unfortunately not after winning Finders Keepers.
I was fully expecting a "The past was a mistake" moment when you mentioned Wesley Eure is Gay
They were going to write that for his character Mike Horton on Days of Our Lives but they decided against it.
Great to see a new episode after so long
14:18 Bob Ross and Guy Fieri win by doing absolutely nothing
FYI, the question/answer portion used on the British version of the show was also the main game of a 1960's U.S. show called "Eye Guess," created by the same guy who created the original Price is Right, Password and The $25,000 Pyramid, Bob Stewart. I wouldn't say they stole it, but...
The one I’ve been waiting for above all other!
The universe has done it's thing leading me to watch Finders Keepers. At the same time I found a revolutionary. Thank you for doing your part bro. BLM
I remember watching this when I was in first grade but I don’t remember what it was about.
Considering how few kids game shows I grew up with (as in I can't remember any) I question the proliferation of kids game shows to a kid who enjoys a good game show. Tic Tac Dough was okay and Press Your Luck had the Whammies that entertained kids but I think some of the content in Match Game and Card Sharks (two games shows I still enjoy) isn't necessarily done with an eight year old in mind. "How many men said they would never cheat on their wives even with their wives' approval?" Yeah, I think kids could use a few game shows of their own.
Double dare was my show! I would rush home from school to watch that video music box and swans crossing!
I tried out for this when it moved to LA. I wasn't a huge fan or anything, just wanted to be on a game show. I got rejected. Haven't really thought about it for years, but you know what? I still kind-of sort-of stings just a little teensy bit.
I just remember my sister and I playing it at home with our older brother, without really getting in trouble...which is probably since we picked up afterwords.
This show might not seem very remarkable, but i still thoroughly enjoy your presentation on it. I hope you've been doing well and taking care of yourself.
It's a excellent game show and they should bring it back. 😀👍
Have you reached out to Wesley Eure for a Nick Knacks interview? He maintains an active presence on Facebook and Instagram.
Wesley was a guest of "Match Game" and "Password Plus" during his days on DOOL. He even hosted "Pot of Gold", a game show pilot that didn't sell in 1981. It was posted to Wink Martindale's official CZcams channel a few months ago.
He was also a guest on Chain Reaction on the week when Geoff Edwards was substituting for Bill Cullen as he took over duties on Password Plus while Allen Ludden was on hiatus.
Another thing that makes FK a bit weaker than Double Dare is that the camera operators don't have the same level of mobility in the rooms than they do on the DD obstacle course, leading to both a sense of claustrophobia and the viewer not always being able to see what's going on. This is made worse by the host being crowded into the room with the kids.
Also, Woo Channel 12!
FINDERS KEEPERS (never knew how much I’d Meepers)